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Hey Shannon,

Are you going to make 3.3D a lot easier to sleep. I find that I have quite a hard time falling asleep. Like my body is tired but my brain just doesn't wanna sleep.
Waking up wise is pretty random sometimes there is sometimes there isn't.
(01-03-2019, 10:03 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-03-2019, 11:53 AM)THolt Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-03-2019, 11:52 AM)Oversoul Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, will there ever be a 'remove all fears' sub? Thanks

There will probably be an OF 5.5G or 6G.

Probably in 6G. But it will have to be created very carefully, because once fear is gone, people will have to use their brains (OMG!) and actually think (OMG!) to keep themselves safe instead.

I guess it could be dangerous for people who don't have an end in mind or are not strategic enough and turn reckless.
(01-04-2019, 06:22 AM)FluffyBunny Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Shannon,

Are you going to make 3.3D a lot easier to sleep. I find that I have quite a hard time falling asleep. Like my body is tired but my brain just doesn't wanna sleep.
Waking up wise is pretty random sometimes there is sometimes there isn't.

The current FRM in DMSI is 4.1. Shannon made an adjustment for sleep to make it 4.2. Then, made another improvement: 4.3. He apparently just figured out 4.4. The latest iteration is going into DMSI 3.3-D, so that includes the modification made to keep FRM from affecting sleep.
(01-03-2019, 10:57 PM)dissonance Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-03-2019, 10:11 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-03-2019, 04:53 PM)dissonance Wrote: [ -> ]"I believe I have figured out a major piece of the puzzle for FRM today. I have to wait until I'm not loopy to run the models on it, but it seems foolproof to me. Fingers crossed for FRM 4.4!"

How much longer until FRM 4.4 is finished? If pretty soon, would you want to do 3.3.1-D with jumping to FRM 4.4 instead of trying with FRM 4.3? Or you want to see the effects of 4.3 without the new breakthrough findings of 4.4 before testing out 4.4 itself?

Well that went from "I hope it comes through the models" in my post to "It's happening, so tell us when" in yours. Apparently you have complete faith in me, lol.

If my idea makes it through modeling and becomes FRM 4.4, it will most likely require about a week for me to model and then script.

If it makes its way through the models, there will be no need to test 4.3. We can proceed directly to 4.4 in DMSI, etc.

Lol yeah I just figured with your explanations and experience you must know better than me. Plus, i realized there's no convincing you anyways. Also I decided to just try to run 3.3 during day when I can so i dont get the bad sleep quality i get listening during sleep with 3.3D

No convincing me of what?

You shouldn't have an issue with sleep in 3.3.1-D with v4.3/4.4 of FRM.
(01-03-2019, 10:57 PM)FluffyBunny Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-03-2019, 10:17 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-03-2019, 08:21 PM)dweller94 Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-03-2019, 01:18 PM)Greenduck Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-03-2019, 11:42 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]What causes fear runs deeper than beliefs. When we remove the fear, the beliefs that interact with the cause of the fear to create fear (when it is triggeted by beliefs) are automatically adjusted by the removal of the underlying cause of the fear. If the tree is fear, then FRM results in the tree and all of its roots, branches, twigs, leaves, flowers and fruit evaporating. Ceasing to exist.

Just speculating, but guys I know who think that “girls are hoes” are often not in touch with themselves and failing to have a rewarding relationship with women. They are needy and when this isn’t reciprocated they get angry and blame the women. Sure there are asshole girls but when you blame everyone something may Ben wrong with you.

I guess It’s also based in fear. Fear of facing yourself amen regocnizing what you need to work with to become a healthy individual perhaps.

I think what I wrote was misunderstood but I've taken what you said on board either way, ta.

Okay I should have used girls instead of hoes, too much trap music. Nah I don't see girls as hoes, rn the girls I'm speaking to / dating are really sweet to me and DMSI is doing great for me rn, it's just the deep fear belief whatever it is that results in women causing me unhappiness, I overthink stuff, I know I'm running DMSI but a relationship would be nice appose to just a bang, each to their own, I'm using DMSI for upping my attraction which it's doing but not enough to get me approaches but yeah. I've identified my block anyway, it's been f*cking with my head recently, I'm dating and speaking to women rn wasn't before the latest release and now I'm actually more unhappy than I was then, so I'm blocking myself by thinking I was happier alone. I don't know I'll figure it out, i'ma keep going.

I found my ideal relationship with DMSI 3.1, and it shows every sign of being permanent. I know of at least one other person who did the same. DMSI doesn't force you to bang every woman who offers, or prevent you from selecting, keeping and being faithful to just one... although once you find that one you want to keep, it's a good idea not to use it anymore. Everyone I know who has found such a relationship with DMSI has stopped using it for that reason.

Currently, this girl i attracted on 3.3v , i would keep as the one thinks i just want to bang her. Shes more of a low self esteem hot girl. Was suppose to see her again the second time but she backed away on the day of. I am pretty inexperienced on what to do with these type of girls...When i saw her she qualifies to me and is more of the shy and low self-esteem type shes young too. Like when i gave her compliments some times she doesnt even believe i mean it...

Anyone have any suggestions of what to do?

If you want to keep her and she thinks you just want to bang her then to get her, you have to do two things.

1. You have to convince her of her security in being in a relationship with you, and
2. You need to improve her self esteem.

The women of the world who are worth keeping will stay with the man who gives them whatever security they need, be that financial, sexual, romantic, trustworthiness, whatever, and provides for their heart.

So tell her flat out... I want you and you alone. I don't just want sex, I want a relationship with you. And if you want a monogamous relationship, tell her that too. Clarify your desires and intentions, and move on what you want. Bring her to the point that she knows what you want with and from her, and show her she can trust you and find whatever security she needs in a relationship with you. And help her realize that she is worthwhile. But don't try to do it by kissing her butt, she'll never believe you. She's used to guys saying those things to get in her pants and disregards them as "he wants sex".
(01-04-2019, 03:13 AM)Greenduck Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, I am contemplating my last relationship where I somewhat got overly attached to the girl, and still in some way am. It's mostly related to a sexual attachment. I haven't experienced this with other girls I have had sex with or being together with, just with her. It's like there is a damn gravitational pull, where I can do anything to get to sleep with her, even loosing myself. I wrote a post about it here if you have time to look it over.

I guess that E2 will take care of it with enough time, but what would really benefit me, would to better understand what causes this kind of attachment in your understanding? Lack of own direction for example? Is it something the girl does that create the situation? An energetic connection? The girl manipulating the male ego? I feel pretty lost on the issue...

First, it may or may not just be you. People have different personalities and personal energies, and some of them are incredibly attractive and responsive to one another. What you describe is a type of personality that has an incredibly powerful sexual gravity which is intoxicating and almost impossible to ignore for those susceptible to it.

I'm not going to say this is the case for you, but I have had a girlfriend or two with that and it extended so far as to become a form of mind control for me, I literally had to exit her presence for a couple weeks before I was able to think and see straight again. It took me a solid two years to break up with her, and several more to be entirely done with her. Sometimes this sort of influence is incredibly powerful.

This can also have to do with pre-existing interactions which are beyond the obvious.

What you have is a situation that demands growth from you. Whatever else may be the case, you must outgrow something that holds you in place with regard to this response to her.
(01-04-2019, 07:23 AM)Oversoul Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-03-2019, 10:03 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-03-2019, 11:53 AM)THolt Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-03-2019, 11:52 AM)Oversoul Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, will there ever be a 'remove all fears' sub? Thanks

There will probably be an OF 5.5G or 6G.

Probably in 6G. But it will have to be created very carefully, because once fear is gone, people will have to use their brains (OMG!) and actually think (OMG!) to keep themselves safe instead.

I guess it could be dangerous for people who don't have an end in mind or are not strategic enough and turn reckless.

It is dangerous for people without enough wisdom and willingness to think. But those are the people for whom fear does not exist anyway, for exactly the same reasons. So technically... no difference.
(01-04-2019, 10:50 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-04-2019, 03:13 AM)Greenduck Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, I am contemplating my last relationship where I somewhat got overly attached to the girl, and still in some way am. It's mostly related to a sexual attachment. I haven't experienced this with other girls I have had sex with or being together with, just with her. It's like there is a damn gravitational pull, where I can do anything to get to sleep with her, even loosing myself. I wrote a post about it here if you have time to look it over.

I guess that E2 will take care of it with enough time, but what would really benefit me, would to better understand what causes this kind of attachment in your understanding? Lack of own direction for example? Is it something the girl does that create the situation? An energetic connection? The girl manipulating the male ego? I feel pretty lost on the issue...

First, it may or may not just be you. People have different personalities and personal energies, and some of them are incredibly attractive and responsive to one another. What you describe is a type of personality that has an incredibly powerful sexual gravity which is intoxicating and almost impossible to ignore for those susceptible to it.

I'm not going to say this is the case for you, but I have had a girlfriend or two with that and it extended so far as to become a form of mind control for me, I literally had to exit her presence for a couple weeks before I was able to think and see straight again. It took me a solid two years to break up with her, and several more to be entirely done with her. Sometimes this sort of influence is incredibly powerful.

This can also have to do with pre-existing interactions which are beyond the obvious.

What you have is a situation that demands growth from you. Whatever else may be the case, you must outgrow something that holds you in place with regard to this response to her.

Does DMSI cause the user to affect those they are attracted to similar to this?
Shannon's quote: but it seems foolproof to me. Fingers crossed for FRM 4.4!
Me: Faulkin' A ,Man! Party On Grath!! wow.... 4.4 sounds incredible. will UMS contain such or are we not going to be that Lucky(pun inadvertantly ,intended!) :-)Yet? Shannon man,you da man mr. , you rock!
(01-04-2019, 11:19 AM)maxx55 Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-04-2019, 10:50 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-04-2019, 03:13 AM)Greenduck Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, I am contemplating my last relationship where I somewhat got overly attached to the girl, and still in some way am. It's mostly related to a sexual attachment. I haven't experienced this with other girls I have had sex with or being together with, just with her. It's like there is a damn gravitational pull, where I can do anything to get to sleep with her, even loosing myself. I wrote a post about it here if you have time to look it over.

I guess that E2 will take care of it with enough time, but what would really benefit me, would to better understand what causes this kind of attachment in your understanding? Lack of own direction for example? Is it something the girl does that create the situation? An energetic connection? The girl manipulating the male ego? I feel pretty lost on the issue...

First, it may or may not just be you. People have different personalities and personal energies, and some of them are incredibly attractive and responsive to one another. What you describe is a type of personality that has an incredibly powerful sexual gravity which is intoxicating and almost impossible to ignore for those susceptible to it.

I'm not going to say this is the case for you, but I have had a girlfriend or two with that and it extended so far as to become a form of mind control for me, I literally had to exit her presence for a couple weeks before I was able to think and see straight again. It took me a solid two years to break up with her, and several more to be entirely done with her. Sometimes this sort of influence is incredibly powerful.

This can also have to do with pre-existing interactions which are beyond the obvious.

What you have is a situation that demands growth from you. Whatever else may be the case, you must outgrow something that holds you in place with regard to this response to her.

Does DMSI cause the user to affect those they are attracted to similar to this?

DMSI creates an intense attraction, but it does not create an attraction that is stronger than the free will of the affected. What I describe above often is stronger than the will of the affected, free or otherwise. I have a pretty damned strong will, but I was 4 years into that relationship before I could even try to break it's effects on me, and it took more than 4 more years to go from "I know I need to break this effect on me" to "I have completely broken it's effect on me".

The goal with DMSI is to persuade, not coerce, for both affected and user.
(01-04-2019, 11:31 AM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon's quote: but it seems foolproof to me. Fingers crossed for FRM 4.4!
Me: Faulkin' A ,Man! Party On Grath!! wow.... 4.4 sounds incredible. will UMS contain such or are we not going to be that Lucky(pun inadvertantly ,intended!) :-)Yet? Shannon man,you da man mr. , you rock!

I haven't even started modeling it yet. But if it passes modeling, whatever is built after it comes out will have it. It is worth stating that the answer to your question would therefore be yes.
(01-04-2019, 12:43 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-04-2019, 11:31 AM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon's quote: but it seems foolproof to me. Fingers crossed for FRM 4.4!
Me: Faulkin' A ,Man! Party On Grath!! wow.... 4.4 sounds incredible. will UMS contain such or are we not going to be that Lucky(pun inadvertantly ,intended!) :-)Yet? Shannon man,you da man mr. , you rock!

I haven't even started modeling it yet. But if it passes modeling, whatever is built after it comes out will have it. It is worth stating that the answer to your question would therefore be yes.


Awwwwwhhhh shit! Hod-Chew!!! Made MY weekend! Got MY hearing back in full( thats a tale' in and of itself) and this is music to MY ears,NO Bull!! 4.4. dang!!
(01-04-2019, 03:13 AM)Greenduck Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, I am contemplating my last relationship where I somewhat got overly attached to the girl, and still in some way am. It's mostly related to a sexual attachment. I haven't experienced this with other girls I have had sex with or being together with, just with her. It's like there is a damn gravitational pull, where I can do anything to get to sleep with her, even loosing myself. I wrote a post about it here if you have time to look it over.

I guess that E2 will take care of it with enough time, but what would really benefit me, would to better understand what causes this kind of attachment in your understanding? Lack of own direction for example? Is it something the girl does that create the situation? An energetic connection? The girl manipulating the male ego? I feel pretty lost on the issue...

A few months ago, I met a woman who I immediately felt was ‘the one’, and she approached me and started talking to me. Nothing has happened romantically or sexually. So I’m confused..

Could be a special connection, or a soulmate, or self-delusion, or psychic seduction, or she is on DMSI, or something else???

The common piece of advice is to ‘let go’ and focus on enjoying life.
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