(12-05-2018, 04:29 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2018, 03:31 PM)Shadow2200 Wrote: [ -> ]So shannon is the fear that keeps holding us back coming from the place of be afraid of having the girl initiate or approach us? I think i'm like most guys this is what we all want and dream of. Why do you think all the fear is stopping us from something we want?
Point #1. The conscious mind and the conscious mind do not think using the same set of memories, type of logic or range of awareness.
Point #2. The subconscious apparently embodies every past version of "you" all at once.
Point #3. Fear is an emotion, and therefore irrational. That means it does not usually make rational sense.
The fear that holds you guys back from executing can be fear of having her approach and initiate, but it is much more likely a fear of what will happen if she does. You make some mistake and get embarrassed, she changes her mind and makes you feel foolish, you don't know how to respond, you don't have the privacy to take advantage, she has an STD and you're too dumb to wear a condom, she might laugh at your pecker, she might laugh at your body, she might laugh at your technique, or how long you last, she might get pregnant, she might cry rape, she might tell her friends you're a shitty lover, she might have a boyfriend she's cheating on who might come after you, you might fall in love and she breaks your heart, and on and on and on ad infinitum.
Just remember, the moon might fall out of the sky and land on your head, too. And it might also be made of Swiss cheese.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter what the conscious self wants if the subconscious self disagrees and has the upper hand, which it usually does given it's strengths and the weaknesses of the "conscious" self.
Since the anti-fear mod is targeted at subconscious fear. will we notice a lack of fear consciously ie absolute self confidence?
Hi Shannon, tid only happens to some people? I just got off one cruise heaps of attractive ladies yet i was invisible to all of them, while guys that were out of shape and didnt look that good looking were surrounded by attractive women.
Same thing at the gym can talk to some at times but at the end they dont want to talk for long so i guess tid isnt working for me if the idea is for women to chase us and yet they dont even want to hang around and talk when i approach them they are nice for a couple of minutes then have to get back to other things. The funny thing is they will actually approach other guys and start talking to them.
Im on another short cruise end of next week with a bit of luck can go through one cycle of dmsi 3.3 before then.
Shannon,
A life without fear, I still can't imagine this is coming true! I was the one who believed not being fearful at all, since one year ago when me and my ex split. Hell was I wrong. I was shocked at how many fears I still had - and still have when I took an honest and close look at my behavior in certain situations. For example, I thought I was not jealous at all, but the sucker strikes you hiddenly where you wouldn't expect it. For example when you have to deal with undisclosed sexual facts of your girlfriend's past. They call this phenomenon retroactive jealousy and it can drive you absolutely crazy.
Related to an additional fear, I was experiencing a real trauma after the break, just this summer. I went to a swinger kind of fetish party, where it would be easier to get a girl and bang her right away. I already had my fair share of gigs there. But this time there was one special girl I thought the most amazing one in the club. I observed her interacting and kissing with guys before on an earlier visit. That night she mingled with a couple and then went on the platform to dance and join a girl, right in front of me. Instead of approaching her right away, I gazed at her and kept shock-frozen. Then she left the platform to continue dancing with the same chick. A couple of minutes later a dude with a toy chain appeared and gave it to various girls to play with him. The first ones picked it but then didn't pull him in for a kiss, as he expected. Then he approached that chick of my choice and she let him go all the way till kissing. Maybe 10 mins later he took her by the hand and left with her for the darkroom to f*** her. Needless to say how I felt, like a complete idiot! Beyond the fact that I had several months of DMSI 3.2 exposure going for me, I was much better looking, athletic, tall and have all the traits to deal with girls and escalate - and here this dude appears with not much to offer than a toy chain and nothing to lose approaching her right away, fearlessly and as it was the most natural thing on earth. Well, it actually is, right, just don't have all the fears calling AA, hahaha. I am bold and very successful in sales and I never have AA when it comes to peeps and chicks up to an 8, but when it comes to 9s and 10s, boy I am so damned locked. I am still feeling depressed as hell when I have to think of that scene. This girl was "reserved" for me and I let this average chump take her away from me - well guess who's the chump... Anyway, not being too harsh with myself, it doesn't make things better. I will see her again and will have my chance, cause she's a swinger. I told myself I will bang his chick one day, no matter what, but in the meantime, I need to absolutely get rid of that final piece of AA. I guess the fear here being feeling to not be good enough, even though I consciously don't feel there is anyone "out of my league". Another fear maybe is to miss out, even after so much pussy in my life, I am still feeling down if I don't get that one chick I desire, and even maybe lose her to another guy. These are the deeply rooted fears that will screw up your life in all kinds of situations.
So again, a life without fears is like a dream, cause there are so many left-overs without knowing. I really hope this is going to work. Also, I really pray it will help me to execute the script as unfortunately, it didn't work for me at all so far.
(12-05-2018, 06:25 PM)Shadow2200 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2018, 04:29 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2018, 03:31 PM)Shadow2200 Wrote: [ -> ]So shannon is the fear that keeps holding us back coming from the place of be afraid of having the girl initiate or approach us? I think i'm like most guys this is what we all want and dream of. Why do you think all the fear is stopping us from something we want?
Point #1. The conscious mind and the conscious mind do not think using the same set of memories, type of logic or range of awareness.
Point #2. The subconscious apparently embodies every past version of "you" all at once.
Point #3. Fear is an emotion, and therefore irrational. That means it does not usually make rational sense.
The fear that holds you guys back from executing can be fear of having her approach and initiate, but it is much more likely a fear of what will happen if she does. You make some mistake and get embarrassed, she changes her mind and makes you feel foolish, you don't know how to respond, you don't have the privacy to take advantage, she has an STD and you're too dumb to wear a condom, she might laugh at your pecker, she might laugh at your body, she might laugh at your technique, or how long you last, she might get pregnant, she might cry rape, she might tell her friends you're a shitty lover, she might have a boyfriend she's cheating on who might come after you, you might fall in love and she breaks your heart, and on and on and on ad infinitum.
Just remember, the moon might fall out of the sky and land on your head, too. And it might also be made of Swiss cheese.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter what the conscious self wants if the subconscious self disagrees and has the upper hand, which it usually does given it's strengths and the weaknesses of the "conscious" self.
Since the anti-fear mod is targeted at subconscious fear. will we notice a lack of fear consciously ie absolute self confidence?
It targets any and all fears that prevent you from executing, conscious or subconscious. The results will depend on what fears you had and how you react to the FRM and other modules designed to achieve execution. Some will invent clever bullshit excuses and run away, claiming "it didn't work" instead.
(12-05-2018, 05:34 PM)MrBoogieMan_HD Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2018, 05:01 PM)Hatman Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, for the people who are currently running USLM, would you recommend finishing the full 3 months on FRM v3.2 before switching to the upcoming LTU before all of the fears have been dealt with? Or is it okay to switch to LTU because it also includes the script of USLM and therefore targets the same fears?
Thanks!
Take this with a grain of salt once someone who knows what they are talking about comments, but I believe it is best to stay on whatever you are using to continue to target the fears.
Changing programs may make things better (more advanced FRM) or disrupt progress (changing goals and fears affected). I don't know yet. It also may be that FRM 3.2 needs more than 3 months. Again, dont know yet. You'll have to make a decision yourself.
This was quite an interesting watch, as they're observing things from nature and pointing out the similarities in humans who don't know they're being observed. I feel like stuff like this is a bit more useful than some sort of manmade belief system, for those of you that aspire to be "Alpha".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd2NTQPl7D8
(12-05-2018, 04:20 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2018, 02:38 PM)Hanpan Wrote: [ -> ]Well, since it is a beta test, it would make a lot of sense in my mind. If the goal is to make you so attractive to THEM that they will approach you, but the sub isn't 100 % there yet, you could still get with higher quality girls than you usually would by approaching them, since the sub might increase your "attractiveness" or whatever you want to call it in their eyes, but not enough to make them make the move on you every time.
If the goal is for them to approach you, you don't disincentivize that by doing it for them.
That has been the goal of this program since v1.0.
And that is why when it did influence you to make an effort, it was to meet them half way, not do it for them.
Thank you for your answer. This makes sense to me.
I thought that the program had 2 overall goals:
1) To make you more attractive in the eyes of the girl/girls you like
2) Make the girls you like do the approach.
So if I don't really care about 2) and I actually prefer to do the approach myself, should I stay away from this program, or will 1) still work for me?
Hi Shannon,
How do “develop a zen attitude” work on you? Is it a new mindset? Emotional resiliency? I posted about adding it to the coming E3 program, would that be possible/suitable you think?
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Shannon I know it consumes your time and you can't keep giving out updates forever while neglecting other subs but do you think upgrading USLM with FRM 4 will ever happen, as it theoretically would personally make you more productive with subs?
I mean some time would be lost on the short term for sure, but on the medium term, would it make you attract more luck and success and thus make subs better/faster?
Thanks
(12-06-2018, 12:42 AM)Hanpan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2018, 04:20 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2018, 02:38 PM)Hanpan Wrote: [ -> ]Well, since it is a beta test, it would make a lot of sense in my mind. If the goal is to make you so attractive to THEM that they will approach you, but the sub isn't 100 % there yet, you could still get with higher quality girls than you usually would by approaching them, since the sub might increase your "attractiveness" or whatever you want to call it in their eyes, but not enough to make them make the move on you every time.
If the goal is for them to approach you, you don't disincentivize that by doing it for them.
That has been the goal of this program since v1.0.
And that is why when it did influence you to make an effort, it was to meet them half way, not do it for them.
Thank you for your answer. This makes sense to me.
I thought that the program had 2 overall goals:
1) To make you more attractive in the eyes of the girl/girls you like
2) Make the girls you like do the approach.
So if I don't really care about 2) and I actually prefer to do the approach myself, should I stay away from this program, or will 1) still work for me?
Nothing is stopping you from doing the approach. It's just disincentivising the women you approach from doing what the program is trying to do for you. If you are approaching all the women you are attracted to, it is likely that you will screw up whatever the program is trying to do unless you are really good at approaching them. If you are, then DMSI is likely to make you absolutely incredible at that. All of the program will still work to whatever degree you execute, and do not screw up what it is trying to accomplish with PUA techniques you haven't mastered yet.
(12-06-2018, 01:04 AM)Greenduck Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Shannon,
How do “develop a zen attitude” work on you? Is it a new mindset? Emotional resiliency? I posted about adding it to the coming E3 program, would that be possible/suitable you think?
The script is in the script library, and it will explain that to you.
I don't know yet, but you guys don't seem to be designing an emotional healing and pain relief program over there.
(12-06-2018, 03:55 AM)Oversoul Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon I know it consumes your time and you can't keep giving out updates forever while neglecting other subs but do you think upgrading USLM with FRM 4 will ever happen, as it theoretically would personally make you more productive with subs?
I mean some time would be lost on the short term for sure, but on the medium term, would it make you attract more luck and success and thus make subs better/faster?
Thanks
USLM4 is going to become possible to release after I create LTU, but if I release it before 6G, it will not be a free upgrade. You will have to pay full price for it. If you guys are willing to do that, I will make it. And no, you will not be able to "exchange" USLM3 for USLM4.
Otherwise, USLM will next be released in 6G.