Subliminal Talk

Quote:Looks matter, sorry. I see how girls drool over "hot guys", it's clear as day.

Yup, it's very clear, and the reason why some people deny that truth is beyond me.

BTW I replied to your quote on the previous page but it got buried, hope you saw it.

(08-16-2018, 02:08 PM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Looks matter, sorry. I see how girls drool over "hot guys", it's clear as day.

Yup, it's very clear, and the reason why some people deny that truth is beyond me.

BTW I replied to your quote on the previous page but it got buried, hope you saw it.

They do it because of ego I think. Denial.

I've seen lots of "hot guys" get perved on and creeped on by girls going nuts for them, drooling. Fighting over them, the works. I know male models, or guys that could do it etc. trust me...it's obvious looks matter to women, just like us. It's insane what they can half-ass or screw up and get away with with women, or do nothing and get whatever they want anyway. Used to make me triggered and jealous as shit, but it's just the way it is. Can't change looks, you have the "hot guy" thing, or you don't. Now I just try to ignore it as much as I can to keep myself from getting pissed, and keep it moving. Accepted I'm not and won't be the "hot guy", so it doesn't anger me as much anymore as it used to way back and when I was trying more often to go for women, don't really bother much now.

Oh, did I ignore you? Sorry buddy, didn't mean to. I've had a lot going with my business lately. I'll go back and get reacquainted with whatever it was being discussed. My bad!

(08-16-2018, 02:15 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-16-2018, 02:08 PM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Looks matter, sorry. I see how girls drool over "hot guys", it's clear as day.

Yup, it's very clear, and the reason why some people deny that truth is beyond me.

BTW I replied to your quote on the previous page but it got buried, hope you saw it.

They do it because of ego I think. Denial.

I've seen lots of "hot guys" get perved on and creeped on by girls going nuts for them, drooling. Fighting over them, the works. I know male models, or guys that could do it etc. trust me...it's obvious looks matter to women, just like us. It's insane what they can half-ass or screw up and get away with with women, or do nothing and get whatever they want anyway. Used to make me triggered and jealous as shit, but it's just the way it is. Can't change looks, you have the "hot guy" thing, or you don't. Now I just try to ignore it as much as I can to keep myself from getting pissed, and keep it moving. Accepted I'm not and won't be the "hot guy", so it doesn't anger me as much anymore as it used to way back and when I was trying more often to go for women, don't really bother much now.

Oh, did I ignore you? Sorry buddy, didn't mean to. I've had a lot going with my business lately. I'll go back and get reacquainted with whatever it was being discussed. My bad!

This is what I have been saying on this forum for a while and what was reinforced to me more since returning back as a mature student, who looks older (even though to me in my mind I look same lol), who has thinning hair loss and who has become fat.

When I was younger, younger skin, hair, in shape I got girls. Now I can make them laugh more, can make them so happy yet they dont want to date.

When guys say that girls go for mature guys they never say its a mature guy with hair and the look. He looks good for his age implies head of hair, toned physique etc ie the hot look.

It doesnt matter what game you have, if you have no looks you will lose simple.

That is why I am intrigued by DMSI, because its goal is to by-pass how we look, how little game we have and even if we did nothing but breathe the premise is that DMSI wil get the girl to come to us.

I know DMSI is designed to make us sexually irresistible, and to me though I could be absolutely wrong, this means that it will change our facial and bodily features to do just that.

It would be awesome to be able to walk into a room full of people and be able to get the hot 10s, even if they have a bf or whatever (thats not my problem) without doing anything except walk into the room and see them.

I hope however that the body image additions will help otherwise we wont believe the success and self sabotage before we get started.

With all of this of course comes great responsibility but hey it works for spidey lol

I've used the program for two years, since V2.2. Was the funny/nice/charming guy, still am viewed as such. Don't see any sexual attraction from women, no sexual escalation from them. I either have gotten LJBF, or excuses when asking them out and trying to take initiative because they weren't approaching me like design goal so I tried to do something. Or ghosting me when I'd text them to go out if I had their number. Clearly not high value, or sexually attractive. Even after two years of listening. Never mind my old SM3 run etc. I guess it's no surprise why I basically don't bother anymore with women, now that I went back and read that.

Makes it hard to get behind the program to be honest, not seeing anything happen to me in reality, after two years, that makes me stop and say "wow, this thing is for real!". It's why I'm still very skeptical of it. Since it can't change our physical appearance and face to be a "hot guy", not sure what it does to somehow make women we are attracted to, attracted to us. No idea how that exactly is supposed to work in reality. How it "knows" what girls we like, and makes them like us as much as we like them. It still seems very late night infomercially to me, lol. No idea how that happens. I always seem to say "we'll see, when I run the next version" over and over, but...we'll see what happens when I run the next version!

(08-16-2018, 06:14 AM)Darkness Wrote: [ -> ]@Have at ye

Another is the he is that nice. And unfortunately subconsciously women perceive it as weakness. Hence when you care too much, show too much emotion. She assumes you’re a bitch. If you ignore her to the extent of extinction. She respects you because she’s like “oh, he HAS backbone, cute”

On her end it could be self esteem issues or worse, he needs to what he isn’t: more abusive.

Unfortunately very few women actually like honesty/sincerity. Or else we wouldn’t need these subs change or suppress certain traits in us.

We’ve all been ourselves prior to subs, who could we pretend to be. Flaws and all. That’s probably why he asked why she’s heading for anywhere but with him.

My experience has been that when I ignore women, they ignore me back.

When I’m nice to women, they generally act friendlier towards me, and start conversations with me.

Also, I have reached ‘first base’ (them kissing me) with 4 different women, all of whom I was nice and friendly towards before they kissed me. They all made the move on me. They all knew me for several months / years beforehand. But no sex though.

Three of them seem to have lost interest (are with someone else - I personally know their new boyfriends). And one says she wants to sleep with me, but can’t due to crappy circumstances. I’m keeping in contact with all of them as ‘just friends’ because circumstances change over time and you never know, and maybe I will meet someone new through them.


I think different people have different experiences, and what works for one person, doesn’t work for someone else.


Edit: My friend (who has slept with quite a few women) suggested that hanging with women as ‘just friends’ is good, since it is ‘social proof’.


Also, changed a few words to make it clearer and easier to read. Added a paragraph.

(08-16-2018, 03:47 PM)MasterEnki Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-16-2018, 06:14 AM)Darkness Wrote: [ -> ]@Have at ye

Another is the he is that nice. And unfortunately subconsciously women perceive it as weakness. Hence when you care too much, show too much emotion. She assumes you’re a bitch. If you ignore her to the extent of extinction. She respects you because she’s like “oh, he HAS backbone, cute”

On her end it could be self esteem issues or worse, he needs to what he isn’t: more abusive.

Unfortunately very few women actually like honesty/sincerity. Or else we wouldn’t need these subs change or suppress certain traits in us.

We’ve all been ourselves prior to subs, who could we pretend to be. Flaws and all. That’s probably why he asked why she’s heading for anywhere but with him.

My experience has been that when I ignore women, they ignore me back.

When I’m nice to women, they generally act friendlier towards me, and start conversations with me.

Also, I have reached ‘first base’ (them kissing me) with 4 different women, all of whom I was nice and friendly towards before they kissed me. They all made the move on me. They all knew me for several months / years beforehand. But no sex though.

Three of them seem to have lost interest (are with someone else - I personally know their new boyfriends). And one says she wants to sleep with me, but can’t due to crappy circumstances. I’m keeping in contact with all of them as ‘just friends’ because circumstances change over time and you never know, and maybe I will meet someone new through them.


I think different people have different experiences, and what works for one person, doesn’t work for someone else.


Edit: My friend (who has slept with quite a few women) suggested that hanging with women as ‘just friends’ is good, since it is ‘social proof’.


Also, changed a few words to make it clearer and easier to read. Added a paragraph.

I used to be nice now I’m more distant. You I have to say have been lucky not to have to deal with shitty behavior from them while you were being social and well mannered. I ignore girls if I’m friendly and chill to them and they start to blank like I’ve said nothing or insult me without cause.

I’ve had this instant happen a couple times, out of the blue. Yet guys they like who play games and are fake af, even he puts through hell she’ll not only stay but smile as well. And even clutch to that type of slimy dude harder and even respect him.
The dude isn’t even remotely like that will get kicked to the curb, he’s gonna have suck it up.

So yeah as much as I don’t like it. I’m really skeptical and a little abusive to them. Having a Even little more respect and consideration than she has for herself is not good.

You’re friend is right. Though I’ll that if she’s a friend that you both have chemistry because it’s funnest that way. And not the motivation for social proof for social proof sake, it’s actually genuine that way and not fake. Plus female friends with real genuine chemistry is rare and really more enjoyable for me than dude friends, for me.

@Shannon you fucking genius! I just had one of the biggest insights of my life. I am using UM/OP for like a week with reversal effects, super resistance, full of nightmares and restless nights, like i never felt before, procrastinated like hell and was bumped with the results until one hour ago:


Just had a critical insight of my biggest fear and that caused me lots of fails and extremes amount of unnecessary suffering. I fear failure o much that i simply don't do shit, procrastinate a lot and feel large amounts of anxiety during the task IF i overcome the gigantic problem of procrastination. If is especially true with cognitive tasks like read a technical book, study for college or some super important goal. I have this fear since i can remember but i remember a particular event where i took a test to enter in a school, my parents where pressuring me a lot and i kind of said that it was an easy task for me because i was smart (i had like 14), i took preparatory classes all year but i failed the test and my parents freak out, my father almost slapped me (and he never hit me) calling me "smart ass" and stuff like that, it was very traumatizing, i remember vividly the fear i felt that moment. Since then, my academic success just plumbed every year and with it my motivation to study, although i managed to enter in one of the best universities from Brazil i still procrastinate like HELL, give up easily and feel extremely anxious when i am in class or reading a book, especially when i don't understand something right away. But now i understand my dad, he was only projecting in me his insecurities, my parents are both failures, even though my father is SUPER smart, he still kind of failed in life (in his perspective) and i simply feel his sadness every time i see him and it crushes me to see him like this. My mother also failed terribly in life, her life is simply HELL, she is a drug addict with hardcore mental issues, fucked up the WHOLE family, committed several crimes and is responding in justice for it. She wasn't as smart as she thinks she is but still, breaks my heart to even think about her and i don't see any possibility to see some improvement in her situation until she dies. 
What can i do, guys, i feel that this is my biggest block currently, is holding me down in a big way and there are lots of people who counts
and aunt. 
Almost forgot: my root chakra is pulsating a LOT this couple of days, never felt anything like it. 

I already knew your programs worked but this just blew my fucking mind, if i let go (somehow) of this fear this might be one life change moment. I still feel the fear but now i see clearly why. Definitely, i will continue to use this sub for at least 3 months.

(08-16-2018, 06:15 PM)ianmarconi Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon you ***** genius! I just had one of the biggest insights of my life. I am using UM/OP for like a week with reversal effects, super resistance, full of nightmares and restless nights, like i never felt before, procrastinated like hell and was bumped with the results until one hour ago:


Just had a critical insight of my biggest fear and that caused me lots of fails and extremes amount of unnecessary suffering. I fear failure o much that i simply don't do shit, procrastinate a lot and feel large amounts of anxiety during the task IF i overcome the gigantic problem of procrastination. If is especially true with cognitive tasks like read a technical book, study for college or some super important goal. I have this fear since i can remember but i remember a particular event where i took a test to enter in a school, my parents where pressuring me a lot and i kind of said that it was an easy task for me because i was smart (i had like 14), i took preparatory classes all year but i failed the test and my parents freak out, my father almost slapped me (and he never hit me) calling me "smart ass" and stuff like that, it was very traumatizing, i remember vividly the fear i felt that moment. Since then, my academic success just plumbed every year and with it my motivation to study, although i managed to enter in one of the best universities from Brazil i still procrastinate like HELL, give up easily and feel extremely anxious when i am in class or reading a book, especially when i don't understand something right away. But now i understand my dad, he was only projecting in me his insecurities, my parents are both failures, even though my father is SUPER smart, he still kind of failed in life (in his perspective) and i simply feel his sadness every time i see him and it crushes me to see him like this. My mother also failed terribly in life, her life is simply HELL, she is a drug addict with hardcore mental issues, ***** up the WHOLE family, committed several crimes and is responding in justice for it. She wasn't as smart as she thinks she is but still, breaks my heart to even think about her and i don't see any possibility to see some improvement in her situation until she dies. 
What can i do, guys, i feel that this is my biggest block currently, is holding me down in a big way and there are lots of people who counts
and aunt. 
Almost forgot: my root chakra is pulsating a LOT this couple of days, never felt anything like it. 

I already knew your programs worked but this just blew my ***** mind, if i let go (somehow) of this fear this might be one life change moment. I still feel the fear but now i see clearly why. Definitely, i will continue to use this sub for at least 3 months.

Keep listening Sounds like it's working on it seeing that the realization come up. When it's working on something it can become more obvious and be on your mind.

(08-16-2018, 03:05 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]I've used the program for two years, since V2.2. Was the funny/nice/charming guy, still am viewed as such. Don't see any sexual attraction from women, no sexual escalation from them. I either have gotten LJBF, or excuses when asking them out and trying to take initiative because they weren't approaching me like design goal so I tried to do something. Or ghosting me when I'd text them to go out if I had their number. Clearly not high value, or sexually attractive. Even after two years of listening. Never mind my old SM3 run etc. I guess it's no surprise why I basically don't bother anymore with women, now that I went back and read that.

Makes it hard to get behind the program to be honest, not seeing anything happen to me in reality, after two years, that makes me stop and say "wow, this thing is for real!". It's why I'm still very skeptical of it. Since it can't change our physical appearance and face to be a "hot guy", not sure what it does to somehow make women we are attracted to, attracted to us. No idea how that exactly is supposed to work in reality. How it "knows" what girls we like, and makes them like us as much as we like them. It still seems very late night infomercially to me, lol. No idea how that happens. I always seem to say "we'll see, when I run the next version" over and over, but...we'll see what happens when I run the next version!

Dido dido to what Cayman saying. I still believe this program can work, Shannon's got this. I do feel that under this program have come along ways. My issue has always been the ability for the aura to effect others. With self effects it get,s me a state of a celebrity where it,s the girls job to case me and that's good an all, however like Cat man the girls arnt being affected enough to chase so it pretty much goes no where. I will point out it dose have a very strong effect on girls i already know or like me already. On those girls makes there feelings more intense. Keep up the great work Shannon.

(08-16-2018, 06:15 PM)ianmarconi Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon you ***** genius! I just had one of the biggest insights of my life. I am using UM/OP for like a week with reversal effects, super resistance, full of nightmares and restless nights, like i never felt before, procrastinated like hell and was bumped with the results until one hour ago:


Just had a critical insight of my biggest fear and that caused me lots of fails and extremes amount of unnecessary suffering. I fear failure o much that i simply don't do shit, procrastinate a lot and feel large amounts of anxiety during the task IF i overcome the gigantic problem of procrastination. If is especially true with cognitive tasks like read a technical book, study for college or some super important goal. I have this fear since i can remember but i remember a particular event where i took a test to enter in a school, my parents where pressuring me a lot and i kind of said that it was an easy task for me because i was smart (i had like 14), i took preparatory classes all year but i failed the test and my parents freak out, my father almost slapped me (and he never hit me) calling me "smart ass" and stuff like that, it was very traumatizing, i remember vividly the fear i felt that moment. Since then, my academic success just plumbed every year and with it my motivation to study, although i managed to enter in one of the best universities from Brazil i still procrastinate like HELL, give up easily and feel extremely anxious when i am in class or reading a book, especially when i don't understand something right away. But now i understand my dad, he was only projecting in me his insecurities, my parents are both failures, even though my father is SUPER smart, he still kind of failed in life (in his perspective) and i simply feel his sadness every time i see him and it crushes me to see him like this. My mother also failed terribly in life, her life is simply HELL, she is a drug addict with hardcore mental issues, ***** up the WHOLE family, committed several crimes and is responding in justice for it. She wasn't as smart as she thinks she is but still, breaks my heart to even think about her and i don't see any possibility to see some improvement in her situation until she dies. 
What can i do, guys, i feel that this is my biggest block currently, is holding me down in a big way and there are lots of people who counts
and aunt. 
Almost forgot: my root chakra is pulsating a LOT this couple of days, never felt anything like it. 

I already knew your programs worked but this just blew my ***** mind, if i let go (somehow) of this fear this might be one life change moment. I still feel the fear but now i see clearly why. Definitely, i will continue to use this sub for at least 3 months.

Keep listening.. Buddy.. I am also seeing some results but I started 2 days ago and currently only 1 loop.

Also.. I was say that my Father is somewhat similar and my mom was also. Especially my mom her out of control behavior and getting attached to negative people really collapsed out financial situation.. So last year I put then on EPRAH 24*7 for 3 months.. At first I saw both of them resisting is especially my mom but since she had no idea what was going on so. Everything went well..

After that things changed..

Shannon\Ben,

Looking ahead once all stages of SM have been completed in order to maintain what SM has given me should I just run the refresher stage 7 after completing stage 6 ?.

(08-16-2018, 06:14 AM)Darkness Wrote: [ -> ]@Have at ye

Another is the he is that nice. And unfortunately subconsciously women perceive it as weakness. Hence when you care too much, show too much emotion. She assumes you’re a bitch. If you ignore her to the extent of extinction. She respects you because she’s like “oh, he HAS backbone, cute”

On her end it could be self esteem issues or worse, he needs to what he isn’t: more abusive.

Unfortunately very few women actually like honesty/sincerity. Or else we wouldn’t need these subs change or suppress certain traits in us.

We’ve all been ourselves prior to subs, who could we pretend to be. Flaws and all. That’s probably why he asked why she’s heading for anywhere but with him.

Thankyou for everyone's valuable insights on my friend. To conclude DMSI would be the best option ?. He admits he has self esteem issues and when he looks in the mirror he says he doesnt think he is that great looking.

(08-16-2018, 02:02 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-16-2018, 01:53 PM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Its very confusing. we have to play games, resist, detract from being too nice, too friendly, too jovial, too receptive to make them want us and by then tbh I've given up caring so much and yet then they want you.

You know I think it's not that much complicated...I think it's a matter of looks AND status. I know people hate to hear that but it's true. You can get away with doing EVERYTHING wrong, but still get chicks just because of looks and status.

That's a reality I think isn't popular but more true than people choose to believe.

Looks matter, sorry. I see how girls drool over "hot guys", it's clear as day. No sub to make your looks into a "hot guy" to my knowledge, sadly. No PUA program can do that either. So it's never talked about, or if it is, it's importance is undercut greatly. I've seen often how girls react to "hot guys", I'm 100% positive they like hotness just as much as we do. It's reality.

Status too. Sometimes I wish I could overlook the hot girls into me that are gold digging or status chasing...it'd make things so much easier for me on the surface. But, I'd always have the nagging feeling they don't care about me and only want me for my $$$ and status. I don't want that, I already have enough issues with my own feeling of attractiveness and self esteem in regards to women etc. Shitty situation if I did that. I bought DMSI to somehow "make" me sexually attractive so I can attract them naturally, but I agree I have severe doubts it can actually do so and still don't understand HOW the sub makes you sexy to women you find sexy. Still don't understand that process at all, makes it hard to really get behind, never mind the results so far after over two years of using it. We'll see...wait for V3.3 now I guess nothing else to do.

Agree with Catman looks do matter. I remember when I gave PUA a bash years ago. I winged with a tall guy who looked like a professional football player. He would walk into a bar and women were already checking him out. He was about as interesting as a dog having a shit. Yet girls would go home with him.

Grooming goes along way. In the country I am in looks and status do matter I think SM amplifies my looks and status to a point where I can laid with girls relativily easy. One thing in my favour is that I am an ex pat and this helps immensely as I standout amongst the crowds.

(08-16-2018, 01:33 PM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]I hear you CatMan, and I understand you. Past a point, I've become tired and fed up with that situation.
But for me, I've also this fear of getting hurt. Because the last time I got involved with a girl I destroyed myself. Still, to this day I consider it the greatest error of my life. Life took something from me past that point and I stopped feeling wholesome.
Also, ain't done healed yet. Crazy.
I'm half happy and half sad about this situation. Because trough that experience I've learned to behave myself. I mean there's no way after that stuff I'd still play Mr Nice Guy. Like hell I'd care again about women as much as I did back then.
Now I'm more into the "Eh, whatever" side of things. The last time I tried to date was...when? Last year maybe. It looks like I've redirected my emotional attachment elsewhere because I've been genuinely interested in connecting with people now. Having fun with genuine no BS people I can relate with. It seems like I'm filling my emotional health quota that way.
Kudo to my brain for finding that escape IMO. That seems way healthier than chasing pussies again.
Wouldn't that be great if we could redirect emotional fulfillment to...let's say, eating donuts? Man, at least that's easier to get :p.
So yeah, well, I kinda share that same IDGAF feeling. I still don't know if that's a good thing or not. On one hand, I stopped depending so heavily on something unattainable, but on another hand that sounds like giving up, right? But I'm definitely happier now so maybe that was the right choice.

About DMSI I believe it can achieve its goal for some people and thanks to maybe some crazy synchronicities. That can happen. It has manifestations modules after all. Well, for being a LOA guy it's more believable to me.
However, what I do not think can really happen, is DMSI totally and deeply transforming someone into an irresistible sexual being. With all the corresponding components (attitude, looks, social circle, ect). Idk why but it's more believable to me to manifest women at certain points in time rather than being fully transformed.
Maybe because from my experience, all attempt to alter my personality traits resulted in shallow results. Even from DMSI the new traits where shallow. Feeling good while listening to the sub and then step out and feel like shit :x.
Even on the physical side. Hit the gym, and eat like a pig to hopefully put some weight, work the hell out of me for 2 months, put on 1 Kg, get a flu the next week, and lose everything. :]

Well anyway, I think we'll find a way somehow. There's always a way, the problem is just hanging on until then.
I've drastically dropped my expectation in the women department since last year and my goal now seems reachable to me, especially in just a few years. That's not at the same level of being a sexy mofo banging hundreds of chicks a month, but past a point this goal has been futile to me. So I'm settling for less.

I feel for both of you. A few years ago I was looking for a girlfriend to hold hands with have fun conversations, go for walk in the park. I guess I craved intimacy I realized this seem to push women away as I use to become needy.

Then one day a friend of mine sat me down and said "Thor listen 95% of women are the same there is no such thing as an ideal girlfriend" I remember hearing the story of the frog and the scorpion. The scorpion stings not because its evil or bad but because its in its nature.

Women are the same its the way they are wired. It took me along while to get to grips with this. All that fucking indoctrinations my mother and father had given me had given me a set of false ideals. All they cared about is getting me married so they could tell the world how one day they will have grand kids and how their son is married and has a great job.

They never cared about my happiness. They groomed me for their own selfish desires to make themselves happy. Each day I was told I was worthless when I never did what they asked. Luckily I made the right moves and distanced myself from them to start a new life.

My recent experiences have made me realize that the only reason I would ever want to get married is if I wanted children. Other then that there is no reason to get married.

Better to have a girl or girls you can fuck have fun with. When they start moaning call a taxi and send them home. At this age I want zero drama in my life.