Subliminal Talk

(09-28-2018, 08:01 AM)Hatman Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-28-2018, 07:08 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Agree with Kol. Also, I had to agree with Shannon and can't believe we're still on the "looks matter" BS arguments.

I'll say it again: I'm an 8 looks-wise and have always had trouble with women. If it was looks they wanted I'd be swimming in it, but I'm not, so obviously it's something else.

Looks matter WAY less than most think. To add to that, beauty is HIGHLY subjective. You might be a 10 to one person, and at the same time a 5 to another, and vice versa.

That is correct.

Also, my ex is a fashion designer. Let me tell what I've learned - what is commonly accepted and believed to be the epitome of physical attractiveness in a person (whether male, female, or anything in-between, lol) is often subservient to current *fashion*. And these change and vary from culture to culture. And fashion is subject to various influences.

This can be easily checked through research if someone does not believe me.

Two zany examples off the top of my head:

- This is, apparently, what people of Iran/Persia considered the epitome of female beauty in the 19th century: https://vid.alarabiya.net/images/2017/09...88x442.jpg

- According to some researchers, the Greeks of old (from the Independent Polis times) believed that having a big penis is unattractive in a man, and was also considered to be proof of one's stupidity. Is why researchers persume a lot of the manly-man sculptures in the classic style have very small penises.

The world is a rich tapestry, my friends. And change is a constant.

(09-26-2018, 06:05 PM)DavisMind91 Wrote: [ -> ]Been a while. Feels good to be back. With that being said I’d like to ask Shannon, when you build this new LTU, do you plan to have it contain modules that assist with every area of life?...I know spiritual will be a tricky one due to everyone having different beliefs and it’s probably better to Omit that area all together. I’m speaking more in terms of:

Physical - Focus on improving one’s diet and creating and/or improving an exercise routine, and supplementation regiment to attain and maintain optimal health and nutrition.

Mental - Some sort of module similar to MLS (if not outright using MLS altogether in the new LTU)

Emotional - You pretty much already mentioned E2 being in there possibly. Along with a culmination of other positive and healthy emotional mindsets such as self - esteem and confidence, etc.

Financial - Getting one to focus on getting and staying out of debt, and learning to utilize credit and their financial resources to help maintain excellent financial health.

Social - Including a module like the one in AM6 that not only helps you manifest genuine, quality social bonds, but also motivates you to maintain them. Ensuring you’d be the best friend, Spouse, lover, Parent, etc. that you could be. (Of course everyone’s social roles would be different and depend upon their commitments).

I realize it’ll be a while before you’d truly know what was possible to do with the new LTU but maybe some of this can give ideas as to what direction you could take the project when it comes to helping the sub improve the specific areas ( and ultimately the total sum) of the user’s life.

I'm planning to make LTU self optimizing polymorphic, meaning that it will adapt itself to whatever you need to improve your life.

(09-27-2018, 04:58 AM)DavisMind91 Wrote: [ -> ]

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(09-26-2018, 08:52 PM)DavisMind91 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-26-2018, 08:13 PM)MasterEnki Wrote: [ -> ]I reckon the new LTU should focus on emotional wellbeing, positive thinking, uplifting mindset(s) and the like. Such as E2, PTPA, USLM, Overcome Procrastination, Happiness and Joy, Gratitude, old LTU, etc. (pretty certain Shannon is already planning on adding all these).

The stuff that Shannon mentioned seems like an awesome program.

If you add anything else, it should be about emotional well-being, such as Attract Positive Energy, or Auric Shielding from bad vibes. Maybe some new enhanced emotional healing modules. Also, Everything is Possible could be good to add.


Other things are kinda ‘bloaty’ though.

Stuff about diet and supplements = bloat.
Exercise routine improvement = bloat.
Financial = bloat.
Stop swearing = bloat.
Mental = maybe add just 1 or 2 basic lines in the script about this. But this is still bloat.
Social = (old LTU already covers this).

So...you do realize the title of the subliminal is life tune up right?...Since when are areas like mental, financial, and physical health been considered “bloat”?...when in fact these things, rather poorly or excellently handled are still factors that make up the sum total of a person’s life?

What you’re recommending the new LTU focus on are the same areas the old one does, just with new modules, minus of course the USLM and E2. The current LTU already assists with emotional well-being in many ways, it just doesn’t seem geared towards emotional healing, at least not in the way that E2 does. Instead it focuses on things like instilling a winner’s mindset, over coming guilt, shame, and fear, increasing self confidence, and even improving one’s health, etc.

I feel making the most effective sub geared towards improving one’s life will do more than just generally motivate them and make them feel good. It should also urge them to get off their ass and focus on taking action steps to improve literally all areas of their life in more specific and focused ways. Ultimately rather a person does anything action-oriented is still up to them but we have plenty subs in the shop already that can help a person simply feel better. Those subs have their place and are important, but it appears to me when you’re talking about LTU you’re talking about a sub that’s meant to assist with a total life overhaul from the inside out.

Just to add my opinion, some of the stuff mentioned already are covered. As @MasterEnki already mentioned, which came to mind when I read your post, something motivating a healthy lifestyle was already in the old LTU so things like diet and excise will already be included in the updated version. Social is already covered as well. Meh, swearing I would agree is not a high priority. Now Financial and mental would definitely I think need to be included if we are talking about an all around tune up your life sub.

I think for those it should just be some broad statements that will affect those areas and don't need to be as detailed. I do see mental as being important seeing as its already covered the physical (healthy lifestyle, detoxing) and emotional (upgraded E2, detoxing the emotions) sides of a persons life. For mental, for example, I think just some "broad" statements to maximize: Intelligence, Memory, focus, and understanding of concepts/information quickly. For financial stuff maybe things like: Attract financial success and Think like a successful person (I know there is the "think like a millionaire" sub but just to make it more broad). For the Mental stuff just thought it should just touch broadly on that since I know Shannon hated working on that program.

In the end whether these suggestions are approve for being good inclusions or not, I really look forward to this program. If the Fear modules end up working just great in 3.3 and properly deal with fear, just imagine a sub like this working on you with barely any resistance? Seems like it would be amazing and life changing in many ways.

I can understand there being more blanket statements in terms of the financial and mental improvements (or anything else). I'm throwing out ideas of what sort of suggestions could be written in the new LTU script, Seeing as how most people tend to have issues with credit is why I suggested statements geared towards that as well, like a "Get out of Debt" inclusion from the 3G subs.

It's great if one attracts financial success, but if they don't have a pragmatic mindset that allows them to hold on to that success when it comes to dealing with their finances, they'll be worse off than when they even started to improve financially.

Also, what I'm getting at is for ALL my suggestions, is trying to probe Shannon's mind as to how he can make statements that not only plants suggestions and instructions into this program to assist with conscious and subconscious general life improvements, but also instructions that'll help individuals actually maintain (or better yet) build upon the improvements that were made during the LTU 5.5G run. I remember Shannon stating he wants to have a person achieve the goals of the program all in one run (correct me if I'm wrong). If that's the case, the program, down to it's core will have to find a way to instill instructions to help keep one on track, long after they even stop running the program.

I want people to achieve the goals of the program. It isn't going to be a one run and done type thing, though: people have different levels of issues to work on, different levels of readiness, different circumstances, etc. So much like E2, it will be designed to always be there to help you improve whatever you can improve when you run it. If I were to try to make it so that you ran it once for 6 months and it couldn't do anything else, that would not be taking into account the dynamic nature of people, the circumstances in which they might find themselves, etc.

Basically, LTU 5.5G will be designed to improve your life as much as possible during each run, but to be used periodically to continue stepping up over time, taking into account the changes to self and circumstance each time.

(09-28-2018, 08:37 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]Just had a quick read of Shannon's journal about looks.

I feel looks don't seem to matter to women that are either yes ugly or women that are older.

By older I mean approx 30+.

Women from the age of 18-30 will have the minorities for whom beyond looks what truly matters in a relationship is values and morals however for the majority what they find as the perfect man usually is the proverbial Prince charming, the quarterback etc.

If this wasn't the reality of life then movies wouldn't make movies of such.

Having been to many universities in my lifetime so far I have always come to the conclusion based on observations that women above 18 always seek out good looking men as their mate for sex and a relationship.

They only during a relationship will then consider other factors beyond looks which is the same for men too on the whole.

Above 30+ approx women tend to forgo men's looks based on what level of a provider and safety provider he can be as for them the body clock is ticking yet if they could get the whole package ie good looks too they will go for that.

A key requirement for many women has been grooming and grooming means congruence to the image that male is trying to exhibit. As long as he groom's as best as he can he raises up the image ladder in her eyes if he is indeed what she finds attractive.

I found when I was good looking I got more attention than no2 as an older less attractive male. My personality has improved my opinions have matured and I have become a better man for it but body image matters and counts.

Of cos this is all my current belief system and I welcome DMSI to change this in any way possible to allow me to attract higher sexier classier women than normal but my current world view is based on my years of observations.

Excuse any typos as I am typing from my phone and also haven't had time to read all posts as time is scarce for me once again.

Ps: I just finished reading all of the journal entry from Shannon and didn't see if this realisation from Shannon means that he can now include something else into DMSI which will work on changing this new "fear/lack of new belief acceptance" that he has had an epiphany about?

This isn't an epiphany. It's been discussed before dmsi was even a thought here. It's why you get the old reliable advice of "treat every girl like your best friend's bratty little sister" and similar thoughts.

Whatever my looks have been, I have always attracted both young and old girls. Even when i was very overweight girls liked me. Especially hot young ones. Guys think girls judge them like guys judge girls. They don't at all. Guys just want to believe they do so their excuses will work.

(09-27-2018, 01:23 PM)lano1106 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-27-2018, 10:49 AM)jesseb Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon I had a question about a scary experience with AM6 Stage 3 but I assume you don't read everyone journal. Can you private message so that I can ask in private, even though I wrote in my journal. Thank You

I have read it. I agree that this is strange. It feels a little bit like what you see in the fight club movie with Brad Pit...

@Shannon I have a question too about AM6 program. I'm toward the end of stage 2 and I have been feeling sad, a little bit unmotivated and I sleep more than usual for many days now. I have never suffered from a depression but if someone would ask me how I think a depression feels like, I would say that what I am feeling now could pretty much be it....

Is feeling that way could be a potential effect of the program when it is stirring stuff in my mind to accomplish its goal?

Or this is completely not possible and I need find an explanation elsewhere?

@jesseb , if you want me to read a specific post, please link to it here when you reference it. Makes it much easier and less time consuming for me.

@lano1106, what you are experiencing is a deep change that the program is making, which your subconscious wants to resist, but can't. It feels hopeless to prevent that change, and that hopelessness is being communicated to your conscious awareness as the depressive response you are experiencing.

(09-28-2018, 03:53 AM)Moud Wrote: [ -> ]Question for Shannon

If someone was exposed to a series of subs for a very long time (around 2 years) that had some very very negative effects, what would be the best and fastest was to undo that damage?

Introduce counter-programming that negates, contradicts and/or un-does the programming you wish to remove, and perhaps replaces it with programming that achieves your desires. Then use that counter-programming for long enough to achieve the desired effect.

(09-28-2018, 08:31 AM)Amann Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon As you mentioned in your Journal...Ricardo would need to adjust his belief system if he wanted to see any change....would Universal Detox help him with that?

Potentially, depending on his definition of "toxic". If his subconscious doesn't consider his beliefs to be toxic, but instead "logical and safe" then probably not.

(09-28-2018, 08:37 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]Just had a quick read of Shannon's journal about looks.

I feel looks don't seem to matter to women that are either yes ugly or women that are older.

First problem with your argument is the use of the word "feel". Feelings are illogical and irrational. You're not thinking with your logical side when you feel. Feeling arguments are therefore typically illogical, irrational and incorrect.

Quote:By older I mean approx 30+.

Women from the age of 18-30 will have the minorities for whom beyond looks what truly matters in a relationship is values and morals however for the majority what they find as the perfect man usually is the proverbial Prince charming, the quarterback etc.

If this wasn't the reality of life then movies wouldn't make movies of such.

I never said that looks don't matter. What I said was that for my girlfriend, they don't matter, and my girlfriend is relatively hot. I was making the point that looks will matter to a different degree for each woman, and therefore, if you wish to get past limitations based on looks, simply find a woman who values something else more.

Quote:Having been to many universities in my lifetime so far I have always come to the conclusion based on observations that women above 18 always seek out good looking men as their mate for sex and a relationship.

They only during a relationship will then consider other factors beyond looks which is the same for men too on the whole.

I have been through more than a decade of college at multiple institutions as well. The average woman will consider looks according to her age, her personality, what her friends think, how much she is a leader vs a follower, how much importance she places on what others think, and how shallow she is. The types who value looks tend to be in the majority when they are younger, but they are by no means the totality.

You are also failing to take into account that everyone seeks out others for sex based on what they find sexually attractive, and when you haven't met the person yet, you tend to go based on available information at hand: looks. But spend some time with them, and they have other things available for consideration, such as intelligence, personality, sense of humor, attitude, confidence, knowledge, skill, experience, etc. How much a woman goes after you based on your looks is heavily influenced by how much looks is all she has to judge you by.

Quote:Above 30+ approx women tend to forgo men's looks based on what level of a provider and safety provider he can be as for them the body clock is ticking yet if they could get the whole package ie good looks too they will go for that.

You are either going based on what you have experienced or what you have read. But what you have experienced will be a projection of what you believe, and therefore attune yourself to.

Quote:A key requirement for many women has been grooming and grooming means congruence to the image that male is trying to exhibit. As long as he groom's as best as he can he raises up the image ladder in her eyes if he is indeed what she finds attractive.

Women have a nose 2x to 10x more sensitive than men do. They therefore consider how you smell a lot more than you might think. And when you don't stay clean, you're going to polarize yourself via your pheromone signature. Either your pheromones will say, "He's not compatible reproductively" and signal this through negative scent association (i.e., you smell bad) or "he is what we are looking for to reproduce with", and creating a positive scent association (you smell good). When you don't groom yourself (primarily, staying clean) you create this polarizing reaction, and some women will respond very obviously to it in a negative way. Most women are not going to be reproductively compatible with any given man. So when we wash off those sex signals, we represent a blank slate, and they neither react positively or negatively to our scent, giving us a better chance of getting our foot in the door.

It's mostly about smell, not looks.

Quote:I found when I was good looking I got more attention than no2 as an older less attractive male. My personality has improved my opinions have matured and I have become a better man for it but body image matters and counts.

For those women for whom that is true. Now if you attune yourself to those women who understand and appreciate what you bring to the table, they will show up in your life.

Quote:Of cos this is all my current belief system and I welcome DMSI to change this in any way possible to allow me to attract higher sexier classier women than normal but my current world view is based on my years of observations.

We have to figure out how to get past your resistance to change.

Quote:Excuse any typos as I am typing from my phone and also haven't had time to read all posts as time is scarce for me once again.

Ps: I just finished reading all of the journal entry from Shannon and didn't see if this realisation from Shannon means that he can now include something else into DMSI which will work on changing this new "fear/lack of new belief acceptance" that he has had an epiphany about?

I am in the process of optimizing the fear removal modules included in B17, as they work, but need streamlining for speed and such.

"Overcome Fear of being Alone" is needed in DMSI

(09-28-2018, 09:38 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-27-2018, 01:23 PM)lano1106 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-27-2018, 10:49 AM)jesseb Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon I had a question about a scary experience with AM6 Stage 3 but I assume you don't read everyone journal. Can you private message so that I can ask in private, even though I wrote in my journal. Thank You

I have read it. I agree that this is strange. It feels a little bit like what you see in the fight club movie with Brad Pit...

@Shannon I have a question too about AM6 program. I'm toward the end of stage 2 and I have been feeling sad, a little bit unmotivated and I sleep more than usual for many days now. I have never suffered from a depression but if someone would ask me how I think a depression feels like, I would say that what I am feeling now could pretty much be it....

Is feeling that way could be a potential effect of the program when it is stirring stuff in my mind to accomplish its goal?

Or this is completely not possible and I need find an explanation elsewhere?

@jesseb , if you want me to read a specific post, please link to it here when you reference it. Makes it much easier and less time consuming for me.

@lano1106, what you are experiencing is a deep change that the program is making, which your subconscious wants to resist, but can't. It feels hopeless to prevent that change, and that hopelessness is being communicated to your conscious awareness as the depressive response you are experiencing.

thank you for responding @Shannon here is the link to my post and wondered what your thoughts about what happened
https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Men-s...#pid206528 It is on Post72

@Shannon

If I remember correctly you met your girlfriend when you was using DMSI?

I was just wondering how you went about stopping it when you decided to commit to her only. Was it whilst you was still using DMSI that you decided to commit to her only and then stopped using DMSI? Or did you stop using it and then decide to commit and then just never chose to use it again to remain faithful?

I am wondering mainly because with my last two girlfriends that I met on DMSI 3.1, I chose to continue with it for quite some time when being with them. So I am just thinking for future reference, thanks.

Hey Shannon, I remember you said your advisor has an ace up their sleeve in regards to the development of DMSI. Can you clarify what that is?

(09-28-2018, 10:07 AM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]"Overcome Fear of being Alone" is needed in DMSI

Wouldn't that be covered by the "Fear Removal Module" I'm working on? Designed to remove any and all fears preventing you from executing DMSI fully?

(09-28-2018, 10:17 AM)Fluffy Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon

If I remember correctly you met your girlfriend when you was using DMSI?

Correct. 3.1.

Quote:I was just wondering how you went about stopping it when you decided to commit to her only. Was it whilst you was still using DMSI that you decided to commit to her only and then stopped using DMSI? Or did you stop using it and then decide to commit and then just never chose to use it again to remain faithful?

I stopped using it the moment I realized that my aura was too intense for her to feel comfortable with. She told me that I made her uncomfortable sometimes, it was just too intense being around me on occasion. I realized that was DMSI, and stopped using it to see for sure. The issue went away. I quit using it long before I committed to her; I had to quit it to make the relationship possible. I have not used it since because I saw in my modeling runs that it would damage my relationship with her.

Quote:I am wondering mainly because with my last two girlfriends that I met on DMSI 3.1, I chose to continue with it for quite some time when being with them. So I am just thinking for future reference, thanks.

This particular woman I am dating is exceptionally sensitive to energy.