(03-18-2018, 07:51 AM)lano1106 Wrote: [ -> ]I feel that this is going to be moderated down soon as it is kinda off-topic (but maybe not since DMSI specifically address this issue)
I think that your belief about fap/nofap will greatly affect how you feel after ejaculating or abstaining.
Sometime in my life, I did buy into the Taoist philosophy energy preservation thing by abstaining ejaculating. What I remember from that life period is that:
1. I was feeling exhausted after ejaculating and possibly losing mental clarity because of being tired
2. My semen volume did shrink to a ridiculous few drops because I had long period of abstinence (For me, splashing my partner with my load is something that I like very much...)
Now, I make sure that I do ejaculate regularly (preferably from real sex but at least once a week by fapping if needed) and I feel much better and my semen volume did return to a more healthy quantity...
The funny thing is I wonder how much our beliefs do influence how we feel after ejaculating....
Based on your answer, I suppose it may be related to one's belief, and at the same time, there is perhaps an optimal frequency of ejaculation.
In this case, it seems to me that total abstinence may be a bad thing. (Assuming that a guy's not getting a real sex) Again, it may be dependent on one's belief, so I am not sure what to follow. Obviously, finding a good girl (aka a girl who's not going to cause me any trouble) and having sex would be the most ideal thing, but if that doesn't happen within next few weeks, I wonder what I should do. This area (ejaculation necessary (even if through masturbation), or abstinence okay) feels very grey/undetermined to me.
Either way, I have been holding back for 5~6 days, and haven't looked at porn. (I did get to see some accidental stuff as there was some random pop up that came up from some random site, but it didn't turn me on.) I think I would be able to elongate the status without much hassle, but I find holding abstinence is a delicate process, that I can go downhill very easily.
Well, I wonder what Shannon's thought is on the matter.
(03-18-2018, 08:47 AM)sw72hw Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2018, 07:51 AM)lano1106 Wrote: [ -> ]I feel that this is going to be moderated down soon as it is kinda off-topic (but maybe not since DMSI specifically address this issue)
I think that your belief about fap/nofap will greatly affect how you feel after ejaculating or abstaining.
Sometime in my life, I did buy into the Taoist philosophy energy preservation thing by abstaining ejaculating. What I remember from that life period is that:
1. I was feeling exhausted after ejaculating and possibly losing mental clarity because of being tired
2. My semen volume did shrink to a ridiculous few drops because I had long period of abstinence (For me, splashing my partner with my load is something that I like very much...)
Now, I make sure that I do ejaculate regularly (preferably from real sex but at least once a week by fapping if needed) and I feel much better and my semen volume did return to a more healthy quantity...
The funny thing is I wonder how much our beliefs do influence how we feel after ejaculating....
Based on your answer, I suppose it may be related to one's belief, and at the same time, there is perhaps an optimal frequency of ejaculation.
In this case, it seems to me that total abstinence may be a bad thing. (Assuming that a guy's not getting a real sex) Again, it may be dependent on one's belief, so I am not sure what to follow. Obviously, finding a good girl (aka a girl who's not going to cause me any trouble) and having sex would be the most ideal thing, but if that doesn't happen within next few weeks, I wonder what I should do. This area (ejaculation necessary (even if through masturbation), or abstinence okay) feels very grey/undetermined to me.
Either way, I have been holding back for 5~6 days, and haven't looked at porn. (I did get to see some accidental stuff as there was some random pop up that came up from some random site, but it didn't turn me on.) I think I would be able to elongate the status without much hassle, but I find holding abstinence is a delicate process, that I can go downhill very easily.
Well, I wonder what Shannon's thought is on the matter.
my advice is approach the question with an open mind and make experiments and stick to the approach works best for you....
In the Next DMSI i think Hormonal Optimization should be in there, knowing that our hormone levels have alot to do with attraction and sex appeal.
(03-18-2018, 04:43 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 02:52 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 06:22 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (03-16-2018, 02:55 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Shannon
1) I didnt feel sleepy/tired today from listening (headphones) - is this a good sign?
I don't know.
Quote:2) Can stress (in my case uni stress) affect the sub at all, or does it not matter either way?
thanks in advance my friend
Can stress affect your choice to execute the script?
I should hope not but someone before said that stress can and tbh since were all under stress as humans anyway, then surely stress cannot interfer with the subs or the subconscious.
if stress is a factor then i have been stressed because im at uni, they go hand in hand as does the stress of being a procrastinator and last minute crammer. so I was hoping you knew so I could get some insight into this but now feel its an unknown factor so time will tell.
thank you
The issue you have, Jake, is that you are so afraid of so much that you focus on your fears instead of living life. That's why you are constantly asking me questions, asking for permission and generally asking for reassurance.
Resistance is always, Always, ALWAYS based in fear if you follow the rabbit hole deep enough.
(03-18-2018, 04:54 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 04:23 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2018, 04:01 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]Man, I am so hungry all the time. I need more energy!! More Food!!
Im eating alot of junk and craving alot of SUGAR!!! I shouldnt be but I am 
My hair is going grey too but no idea if its DMSI (as read some had grey due to resistance) or if its just natural hence never mentioned it before.
The eating junk food and sugar is a reaction to increased fear and very likely resistance to the goals of the program. If DMSI is having the effect on you of causing grey hair then you either got that from 3.1, and 3.2 is working to reverse that, or the both of those (sugar cravings and gray hair) are signs of reversal resistance.
Fear and resistance there of as well as the reversal resistance are both going to be dealt with by 3.2 and The WALL, yes?
(03-18-2018, 07:25 AM)sw72hw Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting discussion about porn and masturbation. It seems that more people think that masturbation affects sexual aura/energy negatively, and even perhaps testosterone level. It seems to me that there is a consensus that porn is bad.
Here is a question. Let's say that a guy is having sex every single day, and every time he has sex, he ejaculates. Would his sexual aura and energy be negatively impacted from sex and ejaculation?
If sex does not have negative influence on sexual energy and aura, then I wonder what separates sex and masturbation, based on an assumption that masturbation would impact sexual aura/energy negatively.
If sex and ejaculation does impact sexual aura and energy level negatively, should we then try to not ejaculate while having sex? (In this case, would sex feel good?)
Check out Mantak Chia's book "The Taoist secrets of love" or "The multi orgasmic man."
Whenever you ejaculate you lose your life force. You can combat this with techniques to hold your ejaculation (from those books) which let you have sex for as long as you want (thus making you a better lover) and have more powerful orgasms than the standard ejaculation orgasm which only lasts a few seconds and you lose your life force.
Most men think you can only orgasm via ejaculation but not only is that wrong but you can actually have more powerful and longer lasting orgasms with some of the ancient taoist techniques and without losing your seed.
I recently finished his book and i'm planning to put it into practice.
(03-18-2018, 07:25 AM)sw72hw Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting discussion about porn and masturbation. It seems that more people think that masturbation affects sexual aura/energy negatively, and even perhaps testosterone level. It seems to me that there is a consensus that porn is bad.
Here is a question. Let's say that a guy is having sex every single day, and every time he has sex, he ejaculates. Would his sexual aura and energy be negatively impacted from sex and ejaculation?
If sex does not have negative influence on sexual energy and aura, then I wonder what separates sex and masturbation, based on an assumption that masturbation would impact sexual aura/energy negatively.
If sex and ejaculation does impact sexual aura and energy level negatively, should we then try to not ejaculate while having sex? (In this case, would sex feel good?)
Basically when you ejaculate you lose energy now that does not mean each time you have sex or masturbate you also have to ejaculate. It there a way to stop ejaculation.
Anyways back to your discussion. I used to think the same but after having sex with different women I found that there is a huge difference. When you have sex the harmony and the cycle of energy between you and your partner transform into a really positive energy afterward. While when you masturbate you just you know lose the energy.
You can observe this in real life. Many people when they have fights or problems or whatever... everything seems fine and good after they have sex.
(03-18-2018, 07:25 AM)sw72hw Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting discussion about porn and masturbation. It seems that more people think that masturbation affects sexual aura/energy negatively, and even perhaps testosterone level. It seems to me that there is a consensus that porn is bad.
Here is a question. Let's say that a guy is having sex every single day, and every time he has sex, he ejaculates. Would his sexual aura and energy be negatively impacted from sex and ejaculation?
If sex does not have negative influence on sexual energy and aura, then I wonder what separates sex and masturbation, based on an assumption that masturbation would impact sexual aura/energy negatively.
If sex and ejaculation does impact sexual aura and energy level negatively, should we then try to not ejaculate while having sex? (In this case, would sex feel good?)
Here's the delineation and I'll put this here for other guys who don't know this.
There's a difference between "ejaculation" and "male orgasm".
That difference is 30 minutes of foreplay. After 30 minutes of foreplay the brain is sufficiently primed with oxytocin that only after this is ejaculation beneficial to a man's energy and aura. For guys who've felt this, it's that feeling of heavenly bliss after good sex which lasts for 2-3 hours.
Ejaculating on it's own doesn't achieve very much except as a release.
(03-18-2018, 01:50 PM)AbundanceCH Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2018, 07:25 AM)sw72hw Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting discussion about porn and masturbation. It seems that more people think that masturbation affects sexual aura/energy negatively, and even perhaps testosterone level. It seems to me that there is a consensus that porn is bad.
Here is a question. Let's say that a guy is having sex every single day, and every time he has sex, he ejaculates. Would his sexual aura and energy be negatively impacted from sex and ejaculation?
If sex does not have negative influence on sexual energy and aura, then I wonder what separates sex and masturbation, based on an assumption that masturbation would impact sexual aura/energy negatively.
If sex and ejaculation does impact sexual aura and energy level negatively, should we then try to not ejaculate while having sex? (In this case, would sex feel good?)
Check out Mantak Chia's book "The Taoist secrets of love" or "The multi orgasmic man."
Whenever you ejaculate you lose your life force. You can combat this with techniques to hold your ejaculation (from those books) which let you have sex for as long as you want (thus making you a better lover) and have more powerful orgasms than the standard ejaculation orgasm which only lasts a few seconds and you lose your life force.
Most men think you can only orgasm via ejaculation but not only is that wrong but you can actually have more powerful and longer lasting orgasms with some of the ancient taoist techniques and without losing your seed.
I recently finished his book and i'm planning to put it into practice.
I read this book many years ago and put it to the test. It works and surprisingly it's not hard at all to have an orgasm without ejaculating. BUT, I found out that I was still pretty tired. 2-3 orgasms without ejaculating was my limit, with each of them making me more tired and lifeless. Sooo, I had mixed thought about that technique. But maybe I was doing it wrong.
(03-18-2018, 07:25 AM)sw72hw Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting discussion about porn and masturbation. It seems that more people think that masturbation affects sexual aura/energy negatively, and even perhaps testosterone level. It seems to me that there is a consensus that porn is bad.
Here is a question. Let's say that a guy is having sex every single day, and every time he has sex, he ejaculates. Would his sexual aura and energy be negatively impacted from sex and ejaculation?
If sex does not have negative influence on sexual energy and aura, then I wonder what separates sex and masturbation, based on an assumption that masturbation would impact sexual aura/energy negatively.
If sex and ejaculation does impact sexual aura and energy level negatively, should we then try to not ejaculate while having sex? (In this case, would sex feel good?)
I had once read that there is benefit to men from sex that there isnt from masturbation. When we masturbate we ejaculate and thats the energy or qi/chi going.
When we have sex, i read that the female vaginal secretions actually assist the penis in retaining some of the zinc or another valuable mineral rather than lose it all. It makes sense that sex would assist the female and the male in some mutual beneficial manner but I cannot be sure of the information or where I had come across this. I couldnt find it after a little googling either.
I have been on DMSI 3.2 for 10 days and believe me I have fapped like 4-5 times a day. Not daily but after 2 days of gap. Its kinda hard to control it.
Well good thing is that I used to watch a little bit of porn /nsfw images on my mobile when fapping but this time. No porn. Havnt even thought about it. Just fap.
Did anyone of u guys went thru this? That u were fapping more at start and after like few days it got less?
Ever since I started DMSI 3.2. I have been feeling pretty motivated to learn about forex and I am learning all that..But fapping is making me tired.
Did anyone go thru the same or is going thru?
(03-18-2018, 03:25 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2018, 07:25 AM)sw72hw Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting discussion about porn and masturbation. It seems that more people think that masturbation affects sexual aura/energy negatively, and even perhaps testosterone level. It seems to me that there is a consensus that porn is bad.
Here is a question. Let's say that a guy is having sex every single day, and every time he has sex, he ejaculates. Would his sexual aura and energy be negatively impacted from sex and ejaculation?
If sex does not have negative influence on sexual energy and aura, then I wonder what separates sex and masturbation, based on an assumption that masturbation would impact sexual aura/energy negatively.
If sex and ejaculation does impact sexual aura and energy level negatively, should we then try to not ejaculate while having sex? (In this case, would sex feel good?)
I had once read that there is benefit to men from sex that there isnt from masturbation. When we masturbate we ejaculate and thats the energy or qi/chi going.
When we have sex, i read that the female vaginal secretions actually assist the penis in retaining some of the zinc or another valuable mineral rather than lose it all. It makes sense that sex would assist the female and the male in some mutual beneficial manner but I cannot be sure of the information or where I had come across this. I couldnt find it after a little googling either.
Yeah, I read that too. Long-time ago.
(03-18-2018, 07:51 AM)lano1106 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2018, 07:11 AM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2018, 06:56 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]Porn make things worst but I believe masturbation by itself IS an issue. Or rather ejaculating. In the past I clearly remember I stopped porn for many, many months. But I was still masturbating. I never ever experienced the same effects that I have now, free of porn AND masturbation.
Conclusion? It's not only about porn, but also spilling the beans. I don't want to go into rule 4 things but the amount of mental clarify I have now is totally insane. And just breathing emits so much heat. For someone working a lot with the mind it's a huge difference. I tested it. Ejaculating resets back the mental clarify to level 0, usually just after the second day. And ejaculating two days in a row is the worst thing to do really. We go from 0 to - 50.
And scientifically speaking, I highly suspect that the reason I enjoy life more now is because my dopamine level is back to normal. Masturbation does mess up dopamine level. Not only porn.
But anyway, all these studies and researches don't mean anything when it comes to personal experience. The day I'd rethink the credibility of nofap would be when I will stop getting benefits from it, or when the drawbacks would outweigh the benefits.
I can testify to the benefit of having mental clarity. My mind and intuition is super sharp. I can also tap into people's emotions and know what they are really feeling. I can sense people's energy, like I'm very sensitive to it. This is something I got 2 months in. It's hard to explain in words, but just one of those things you need to experience to understand.
There is a reason why we have urges, it's because of our biological nature to reproduce. But this does not mean we have to use it for that reason. You can decide to keep all that energy in and let it turn you into a beast. I'm not saying masturbation is bad, but it just makes you more powerful when you don't do it.
Personally I believe it does increase testosterone, even if so-called science experiments say it doesn't. What I feel when I do is more dominance and assertiveness. More energy and motivation. The list goes on. These are traits of people with higher testosterone. I go by what I feel, and I'll take it as my truth. Before no fap, I had much less of any of these things.
I feel that this is going to be moderated down soon as it is kinda off-topic (but maybe not since DMSI specifically address this issue)
I think that your belief about fap/nofap will greatly affect how you feel after ejaculating or abstaining.
Sometime in my life, I did buy into the Taoist philosophy energy preservation thing by abstaining ejaculating. What I remember from that life period is that:
1. I was feeling exhausted after ejaculating and possibly losing mental clarity because of being tired
2. My semen volume did shrink to a ridiculous few drops because I had long period of abstinence (For me, splashing my partner with my load is something that I like very much...)
Now, I make sure that I do ejaculate regularly (preferably from real sex but at least once a week by fapping if needed) and I feel much better and my semen volume did return to a more healthy quantity...
The funny thing is I wonder how much our beliefs do influence how we feel after ejaculating....
Our beliefs self-image and self-esteem or whatever do affect how we feel after ejaculating from masturbation. Before I discovered subs, and i was trying to quit fapping, one relapse and i'd feel terrible for days on end, at least one week of feeling like shit and confidence lowered etc. It permeated my entire being. However, after i discovered subs, and my self esteem self image etc were better, relapses didn't have as much of a negative effect. Still does, but it didn't damage my self-esteem and confidence and mood as much as before.
First of all, thank you all for sharing interesting information on sex, orgasm, and ejaculation.
If I get a chance, I shall check the books.
(03-18-2018, 03:29 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]I have been on DMSI 3.2 for 10 days and believe me I have fapped like 4-5 times a day. Not daily but after 2 days of gap. Its kinda hard to control it.
Well good thing is that I used to watch a little bit of porn /nsfw images on my mobile when fapping but this time. No porn. Havnt even thought about it. Just fap.
Did anyone of u guys went thru this? That u were fapping more at start and after like few days it got less?
Ever since I started DMSI 3.2. I have been feeling pretty motivated to learn about forex and I am learning all that..But fapping is making me tired.
Did anyone go thru the same or is going thru?
Zane, I am sorta having similar experience. At the earlier time of starting DMSI, my masturbation frequency increased a bit, and my frequency of watching porn and the preference of porn expanded.
Now, my masturbation frequency decreased (early stage was like once per two days, now I have been abstaining for 5~6 days), and the porn preference and taste decreased quite dramatically.
About 99% of the porn do not interest me or turn me on. I still find some turning me on, but I noticed that there are very strict criteria. The girl must be very attractive to me, and the guy has to be reasonably good looking enough. The sex is such that both of the performers are genuinely enjoying sex, and they must seem like they are an actual couple having sex (looking like sex with real love), and not super hardcore. I am finding that my taste in porn has significantly decreased within last week and a half or so, but this is what I noticed.
It may be my subconscious having an interesting behavior on executing DMSI (one side is having reversal resistance, the other is having resistance to the reversal resistance), but at the same time, I am consciously trying to fight the reversal resistance; trying to abstain, and try to stay away from porn. Therefore, it's quite difficult for me to really understand what's really going on.
On other note, ejaculation/masturbation never made me feel tired. It just felt to me like I am having a good release of pressure.
Shannon put no masturbation in DMSI for a reason. It's funny to me how many guys are complaining about it, so they masturbate anyway, then when you look at their journals, they complain about barely getting any looks from women out in public or results in general. Yet they still argue that masturbating doesn't effect or take away from their power to attract women. So much resistance going on. Come on, guys. There is a reason Shannon put it in there. Trust what he is doing.