Subliminal Talk

(05-01-2018, 02:18 AM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2018, 01:12 AM)Have at ye Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2018, 01:05 AM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]Have at ye is spot on.

It's pretty stupid to blame the sub for one's own incompetence. It is (and has been said multiple times by others including Shannon) just a set of instructions. Yet numerous users return to blame DMSI for "not being powerful enough".

Being intelligent and intuitive enough to find and overcome your own blocks is a big part of this work. Being lazy and expecting the "sub to do everything" is a fools game. If you're not getting the results you desire, reassess your approach instead of hating on those who are getting it right.

I'm not calling it "incompetence", or "stupidity" or anything. Philosophically speaking, the choice not to execute the script of DMSI 3.2 is as good a choice as any, and I'll not deny anyone the right to do so.

Just be mindful of the fact that it is a choice. Should you decide that you'd actually rather do something else (f. in. execute DMSI 3.2, because you might decide that you actually want to be sexually irresistible to people you find sexually attractive), nobody's stopping you either way.

Just deceive yourself not.

I'm presuming the user has already made that choice, hence why they've selected that sub.

The sub is just a tool for transformation. I agree, deceive yourself not.

I'd rather not presume anything. All I know is that any given user has made the choice to purchase DMSI and then listen to it to one extent or another. This does not imply that the user has made the choice to execute the script of the program they have bought and are listening to.

Post got swallowed with the bug so I'm giving it more visibility here.

(05-01-2018, 01:48 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:BUT it is a matter of strategy of communicating with SubC

Agree on this one. I think it's more a matter of communication than resistance. Or resistance is confused with the subconscious not understanding the user's will and what he wants.
The thing I find the most odd about that whole resistance theory is the claim that the subconscious chooses to sabotage the user and do whatever it can to stop the use of the subliminal.
Since when the subconscious has the power of decision ?
The subconscious mind has always been described as the engine that power the ship or the ship itself, not knowing where to go and only fulfilling the sole purpose of following where the captain of the ship wants to go. Whatever is impressed in the subconscious mind is expressed, because it can't argue back.

Now according to the theory of resistance, the subconscious has a will of its own, as well as the power to chose and decide for the conscious mind - by choosing NOT to listen to the captain and going where he wants to go, and even worse, by choosing to DO the opposite of what the captain wants. ("reversal resistance")

That's a contradiction from what we have knewn on the subconscious mind. That's why I'm believing less and less in resistance. And more contradictory, IF the subconscious mind can chose to ignore the captain, then trying to do something consciously is meaningless, because of that external entity (subconscious mind) which is NOT part of your will, and has a will on its own.

So it doesn't make sense.
Which one it is ? Is the power of decision solely in the hands of the conscious mind or not ? If the subconscious CAN decide and act regardless of the user's will, then that explains resistance. But that also destroy all these "take responsibility" speeches, because the user can't take responsibility for another member of the ship he can't control.
So ?? Which one is true ?

To me what makes more sense, is what have always knewn - the subconscious mind following orders and leads, not capable of deciding anything. With that basis then, subliminal programs not working can only logically be explained by:
-Subconscious mind not receiving properly the orders of the conscious mind (communication problem)
-Subconscious mind receiving the orders but not understanding a damn what is asked (communication problem)
-Subconscious mind receiving orders, understanding them partially, but carrying out different tasks, accordingly to what it understands (lack of practical materials and references)
-Subconscious mind 100% understanding the task but unable to carry it out because of lack of means and ways.
-Subconscious mind 100% understanding the task but unable to carry it out because it's not powerful enough. (which I doubt)

Which left out resistance.

Is self hypnosis to execute DMSI allowed? Like, asking your subconscious to execute DMSI fully and then counting down from 10 to 0 as it progressively executes

(05-01-2018, 02:26 AM)Have at ye Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2018, 02:18 AM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2018, 01:12 AM)Have at ye Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2018, 01:05 AM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]Have at ye is spot on.

It's pretty stupid to blame the sub for one's own incompetence. It is (and has been said multiple times by others including Shannon) just a set of instructions. Yet numerous users return to blame DMSI for "not being powerful enough".

Being intelligent and intuitive enough to find and overcome your own blocks is a big part of this work. Being lazy and expecting the "sub to do everything" is a fools game. If you're not getting the results you desire, reassess your approach instead of hating on those who are getting it right.

I'm not calling it "incompetence", or "stupidity" or anything. Philosophically speaking, the choice not to execute the script of DMSI 3.2 is as good a choice as any, and I'll not deny anyone the right to do so.

Just be mindful of the fact that it is a choice. Should you decide that you'd actually rather do something else (f. in. execute DMSI 3.2, because you might decide that you actually want to be sexually irresistible to people you find sexually attractive), nobody's stopping you either way.

Just deceive yourself not.

I'm presuming the user has already made that choice, hence why they've selected that sub.

The sub is just a tool for transformation. I agree, deceive yourself not.

I'd rather not presume anything. All I know is that any given user has made the choice to purchase DMSI and then listen to it to one extent or another. This does not imply that the user has made the choice to execute the script of the program they have bought and are listening to.

That bleeds into personal responsibility.

The people here who I've seen make the long lasting transformations are the one's who are hungry for it. They've set a course with a vision of what they want at some point in the future and they work towards it steadily. By virtue of that, they renew their commitment and their "choice" subconsciously everyday.

Without a compelling reason "why" most people just meander. Again, the answers are all on the inside.

(04-29-2018, 04:18 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]@"Cyanide" I cant seem to post up, tried 3 times - will try 1 more time - please check bro!
Sorry bro once it posted I saw the others then were posted too :/ but posting is taking forever so still check if you can, thanks.
Ive deleted the message which was the below for Shannon.


@Shannon Hey bro hope youre doing well.

Ive come off DMSI due to be super outgoing the last week or 2. Not sure if this is DMSI but I was too tired and exhausted to find time to listen with my headphones.

I aim to get back and start again.

So just wondering, how far do you think you are from closing all the resistance we face so we can execute all of the sub and will we ever execute all of this or any sub?

thanks in advance bro!

I have no idea. I'm currently awaiting the next testing phase of Beast 16 (which is where I will be testing the next batch of ideas) to see if any of them perform. I am currently working on developing the custom sub and B16. B16 is coming along very slowly, but it is close to being in the "buildable" state. The only thing I or anyone else can do is be diligent and patient.

(04-29-2018, 02:20 PM)samba99 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-26-2018, 11:45 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-26-2018, 09:36 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]Are you talking about Karma ? You a believer ?
I've always believed that karma stuff is just a lie from gurus so that they can keep their power for themselves and scare people from doing what they want.

I go on evidence to form my beliefs. And I can tell you, doing whatever you want will bite you in the end if it unbalances the equation. Whether it's now or later. I have been bitten by my misunderstanding of that fact many times, and I have used my understanding of that fact to win many times as well.

If you want to call it karma or simply the universe maintaining balance, it is there. And if you want to test it, I'm sure that eventually you will learn what I know from painful experience. Belief is not required, which is a good thing.

Shannon,
Can you give a simple example on how to win using karma.

I can’t think of a simple equation but since most of us deal with relationships and money. I will try to give a money scenario:

For example, if I saw a homeless guy who is suffering different kind of negative emotions. Then I donated some money to him which resulted in a magnitude of joy (or other positive emotions) at the same moment I experience either of the following:

A- same magnitude of the positive emotion experienced by the homeless person.
B- same magnitude but negative emotion due to (money loss)
C- different magnitude of either positive or negative emotion.
D- nothing ( least possible?)

How does karma role plays here?
How will the universe balance this out?

At the balancing moment does the same homeless person (variable) have to be in the equation?

This is a Rule 4 subject, guys. Discuss it in the appropriate areas, please.

Right now I don't have time to teach this, I have to get a mountain of work done. Not getting enough hours a day to work, and I am getting overloaded with the number of things I have going at once. Talking about a complex subject like this will have to wait.

(04-29-2018, 08:51 PM)Ampersnd Wrote: [ -> ]Say, I've been at DMSI for 80+ days, and there are no tangible effects.
I can acknowledge that there is likely work going on beneath the surface.
But when do you suppose that the effects will kick on?

When you choose to execute the script.

(04-30-2018, 07:59 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]Just a random question.

Does MLS-5.5G has Morphine Drip?

Yes.

(04-30-2018, 11:39 PM)Dmitry Wrote: [ -> ]I think that DMSI is overloaded with those fancy modules... Thats why I get more results with simplier subs from Shannon (and other creators) than with DMSI.

I remember that most impact I ever had with Shannon's subs was: AM 6.0 Stage 1 (that was a miracle), E2 and DMSI 3.1A, which healed me very deeply my issues with girls.

Once again: I think that 3.2A&B is overloaded and I seriously doubt that this is about resistence itself (with or without subs the resistence will be present, BUT it is a matter of strategy of communicating with SubC).

From your point of view I am sure it is easy to come to that conclusion. However, I disagree with your conclusion for very good and very valid reasons. I just am not free to disclose what they are.

(05-01-2018, 12:09 AM)Have at ye Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree with all of you.

In ver. 3.2, DMSI is an extremely powerful program. But - the program, by itself, does nothing. In essence, it's a digital audio file with some water sounds and subliminal instructions, crafted to be as perfect as possible, yes - but still, it's sound and words. But, I repeat myself, by itself, it does nothing. The content of the subliminal messages does not execute itself (how could it?). It is the user's choice whether they execute or not.

If any part of you is refusing to execute, try this: 1. Admit to yourself that this part of you is actually "you" (singularity). 2. Figure out why you are refusing to execute. 3a. Resolve the issue that is standing in the way, by way of any mental gymnastics/healing process you gotta do. 3b. Decide that since you are you, and only you can decide what you do or not do, exercise willpower and choose to execute anyway. Reinforce the choice until it's truly made. RADICAL FREEDOM!

I'm pretty much restating what Shannon's been saying all along.

Volition, volition, volition.

[EDIT: Also: Agency, agency, agency.]

BTW., Shannon, I was thinking that for, say, ver. 3.3 auric improvements something along the lines of reinforcing the free-will of the affected side might be beneficial, f. in. communicating to the affected that yes, it is your choice whether you act on what you're feeling as regards the user and that, in truth, there is nothing stopping you from acting either way apart from your own decision to act. Or somesuch. You probably have it on your mile-long list anyway, but here it is.

Noteworthy information, Have at ye. I'll copy this in my journal.

(05-01-2018, 01:48 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:BUT it is a matter of strategy of communicating with SubC

Agree on this one. I think it's more a matter of communication than resistance. Or resistance is confused with the subconscious not understanding the user's will and what he wants.

I disagree.

Quote:The thing I find the most odd about that whole resistance theory is the claim that the subconscious chooses to sabotage the user and do whatever it can to stop the use of the subliminal.
Since when the subconscious has the power of decision ?

Since when has it not? You have to be pretty clueless to ask that, given how much evidence we have seen for many years just here on this forum that the subconscious has one or more parts of itself that can and do make decisions. Like the decision to execute or reverse execute or do nothing...

Quote:The subconscious mind has always been described as the engine that power the ship or the ship itself, not knowing where to go and only fulfilling the sole purpose of following where the captain of the ship wants to go. Whatever is impressed in the subconscious mind is expressed, because it can't argue back.

Just because it has been said and repeated does not make it true. Many misunderstandings, errors and outright deceptions gain legitimacy because people believe that repetition = validity. The facts state otherwise in this case. What you are describing is one part of the subconscious which is accessed via hypnosis, which utilizes the conscious mind's will and the focus on that one aspect of the subconscious. The subconscious is a multi-part thing, and different parts have different abilities, understanding and awareness.

Quote:Now according to the theory of resistance, the subconscious has a will of its own, as well as the power to chose and decide for the conscious mind - by choosing NOT to listen to the captain and going where he wants to go, and even worse, by choosing to DO the opposite of what the captain wants. ("reversal resistance")

That's a contradiction from what we have knewn on the subconscious mind. That's why I'm believing less and less in resistance. And more contradictory, IF the subconscious mind can chose to ignore the captain, then trying to do something consciously is meaningless, because of that external entity (subconscious mind) which is NOT part of your will, and has a will on its own.

So it doesn't make sense.

It's a contradiction from what has previously been believed to be true in certain circles, but not necessarily the whole truth or even accurate.

The conscious will overpowers the subconscious will, but the analogy is this. You have the conscious and the subconscious playing tug of war, for example. The subconscious gets dragged all over by the conscious when the conscious will is sufficiently focused, motivated and directed. That is why obese people, for example, can will themselves to work out and get skinny.

But when the conscious will stops being focused and directed and motivated, then the subconscious will takes over and will win. This is why people who will themselves to work out and exercise to go from obese to skinny frequently end up obese again: they stopped trying because they achieved their goal, but it was the wrong goal. Instead of "getting myself down to 140 pounds" it should have been "getting down to 140 pounds and making it my lifestyle to remain there." The conscious mind dragged the subconscious to where it wanted to go, and when it go there it stopped dragging, and the subconscious slowly but surely returned the situation to what it had as a goal.

You are also assuming that the conscious is "you" and the subconscious is an "external entity", which it is not. Both and all parts of both are just different aspects of you.

And yes, the conscious and subconscious can have different goals and will different things. And yes, the subconscious has some parts that want to cooperate and some parts that do not. I have been doing experiments for more than a decade that prove this.

Quote:Which one it is ? Is the power of decision solely in the hands of the conscious mind or not ? If the subconscious CAN decide and act regardless of the user's will, then that explains resistance. But that also destroy all these "take responsibility" speeches, because the user can't take responsibility for another member of the ship he can't control.
So ?? Which one is true ?

The user IS the subconscious, just as much as the user IS the conscious. And taking responsibility does still remain in effect. It requires personal growth, and people can do that. Contrary to what you might like to think.

Quote:To me what makes more sense, is what have always knewn - the subconscious mind following orders and leads, not capable of deciding anything. With that basis then, subliminal programs not working can only logically be explained by:
-Subconscious mind not receiving properly the orders of the conscious mind (communication problem)
-Subconscious mind receiving the orders but not understanding a damn what is asked (communication problem)
-Subconscious mind receiving orders, understanding them partially, but carrying out different tasks, accordingly to what it understands (lack of practical materials and references)
-Subconscious mind 100% understanding the task but unable to carry it out because of lack of means and ways.
-Subconscious mind 100% understanding the task but unable to carry it out because it's not powerful enough. (which I doubt)

Which left out resistance.

Except that only part of the subconscious mind takes and follows orders while the conscious mind leads, and this is clearly in evidence by virtue of not just the experiments I've been doing for years, but observing that some people do get the results, and some do not; and those who do not keep coming up with choice of action in response that are progressively more and more clever and desperate ways to avoid executing the script; and the ASS/ART would not have any effect at all if that wasn't what was going on...

Quote:-Subconscious mind not receiving properly the orders of the conscious mind (communication problem)

It can't be this, because some people get results and some do not, for the SAME PROGRAM; and, programs that have less controversial goals achieve more success than those that have more controversial goals for the SAME TECHNIQUES.

Quote:-Subconscious mind receiving the orders but not understanding a damn what is asked (communication problem)

Which is completely discounted by what I said above.

Quote:-Subconscious mind receiving orders, understanding them partially, but carrying out different tasks, accordingly to what it understands (lack of practical materials and references)

Just a quick note - if you give the subconscious
"orders", it will be very likely to stonewall or simply ignore them. That's why I stopped trying to "give orders" and overpower the resistance in 5G. That's why in 5.5G we are trying to persuade, instead of force.

The subconscious will execute exactly what you ask it to execute, except in two cases:

1. It is refusing to execute the script. (Resistance.)
2. It is reversing the goal of the script to prevent the threat presented by the goal of the script. (Resistance.)

If it does not understand what is requested of it, it will ignore the request.

The reason it takes not just a predictive model, but days and weeks for me to build a sub is because I am so specific in how to phrase the script so that the subconscious will and does fully understand it.

Quote:-Subconscious mind 100% understanding the task but unable to carry it out because of lack of means and ways.

But how then do we explain some people achieving the goals and others not, given the exact same script? It's definitely not this.

Quote:-Subconscious mind 100% understanding the task but unable to carry it out because it's not powerful enough. (which I doubt)

And which again, some people achieving the goals and others failing once again destroys, as do many of the experiments I have done.

Leaving us with...

resistance.

(05-01-2018, 02:39 AM)kingpill Wrote: [ -> ]Is self hypnosis to execute DMSI allowed? Like, asking your subconscious to execute DMSI fully and then counting down from 10 to 0 as it progressively executes

Using the conscious will to cause execution of the program you are trying to execute is allowed, as long as it does nothing but have the goal of execution.

Quote:

Quote:-Subconscious mind not receiving properly the orders of the conscious mind (communication problem)

It can't be this, because some people get results and some do not, for the SAME PROGRAM; and, programs that have less controversial goals achieve more success than those that have more controversial goals for the SAME TECHNIQUES.

But they don't have the same subconscious mind. Not the same content, not the very same nature probably, nor the same blueprints and understanding of the reality. So that's still a possibility. Or are you trying to say the subconscious mind is of the same backbone for everyone and suffer no deformity or specificity in its functioning? If we compare it to the body we (each of one) for sure have different body that react differently.

Quote:

Quote:-Subconscious mind 100% understanding the task but unable to carry it out because of lack of means and ways.

But how then do we explain some people achieving the goals and others not, given the exact same script?

Like ^. Different people, different subconscious, different knowledge, different means available, different gates. Basically the amount of different variables that aren't the same are endless. Someone which is running a business already with many ways for money to flow will probably get better results with a subliminal program to get rich than someone who's starting from scratch with close to 0 means of generating money besides his job. That's a common observation.
So for DMSI for example, the way the user and his environment are can totally determine the success of the program by a large amount. Don't you think ? If the environment of the user doesn't matter (as well as the endless other external variables) than that mean the subconscious can manifest a goal from thin air. Which never happened so far.

Quote:And taking responsibility does still remain in effect. It requires personal growth, and people can do that. Contrary to what you might like to think.

Yeah right...Let's say I'm working on a project in team work. I want to move forward and get things done and the other guys are just slacking off and worse, sabotaging myself. And in spite of my good will and whatever I come up with they just overpower me.
Then at the end of the deadline nothing much have been achieved.

That's the setup you just described in your post by confirming that the subconscious has a will on its own and can take decisions to go against the user's will.
Now I don't see how taking responsibility help here. And responsibility for what ? How does that make things better for that poor part under powered by the others ? There may be a better way to handle that. And if we don't have any, then better leave the user as is rather than blaming him.

EDIT:

Quote:Since when has it not? You have to be pretty clueless to ask that, given how much evidence we have seen for many years just here on this forum that the subconscious has one or more parts of itself that can and do make decisions. Like the decision to execute or reverse execute or do nothing...

This is a earth-breaking theory because that's definitely not the consensus to this day. The subconscious is pretty much still seen as the component of the self that can't argue back and just express whatever is impressed inside.

@DarkPlouf I have personally observed while doing hypnosis on others that the subconscious does indeed take decision. Some people who fall in trance easily lose consciousness, they don't remember a thing, when you give them suggestion they act on some and not on others, the conscious mind does nothing here as far as I'm aware. Also if you test it on yourself, the conscious mind is slow, when you do things fast, ask a question very fast and the first reaction will come from the subconscious, if you overload the conscious mind, the subconscious take the decision. Many things we don't do consciously. There are a lot of little test you can do on yourself to test this and ask things to your subconscious mind, often he won't cooperate. I also believe that there is something above the subconscious mind that is guiding the subconscious mind but that's another topic and it's just theory at this point.
I have a friend who is a "pseudo hypnotist", consciously he want to do hypnosis as a job. But each time I watch him closely and give him conscious advice on how to become one his subconscious finds ways to resist and ignore everything I say. On this particular case he is more like a robot without much conscious decisions, his subconscious does almost take all the important decision, he thinks he is in control but he is not.
Most people I encounter are more controlled by their subconscious, and doesn't take much conscious decisions.

I think to get more conscious and get more control over your subconscious mind one way to do that is to do meditation. As you remove the mindless chatter in your mind you get more control over your body and you are less prone to get lost in mindless thought that removes you from conscious decision

@Shannon what's your opinion on that, do you think meditation would help subliminal work better? what do you think meditation does on your subconscious mind relationship with your conscious mind.