Subliminal Talk

(08-03-2018, 11:29 AM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: [ -> ]Does US/LM have similar amounts of motivation in it or is UM/OP better for it?

It depends on how you execute to some degree, but US results in motivation as a side effect and UM results in it as a direct and primary effect, so I'd expect UM/OP to be better for that.

(08-03-2018, 12:24 PM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon Is the energy sourcing module only in DMSI? If yes do you plan to include it in the skeleton script?
While thinking about US/LM I realized that for any kind of manifestation and attraction we need energy. All of your subs kinda urge manifestations to happen anyway, even if they aren't directly focused on it, so having the energy sourcing as a universal module would probably help a lot.
And energy sourcing can have positive repercussions elsewhere like @Nox mentioned the other day.

There is energy sourcing in the skeleton script. Most of it is geared for DMSI and thus turned off outside of DMSI, but it is still there.

Sorry @Shannon
Do I need a 35 day break off 3.2 before starting um/op?

Sorry I didn't understand but eager to start asap

Thank you again my friend!!

(08-03-2018, 12:59 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry @Shannon
Do I need a 35 day break off 3.2 before starting um/op?

Sorry I didn't understand but eager to start asap

Thank you again my friend!!

What's up Jake. For 5.5G programs with P5/P6 it's strongly recommended to take a break of about 28-35 days. I can't think of too many exceptions to that rule. So DMSI V3.3 would require a break if you wanted to follow Shannon's advice to the tee and give yourself the best opportunity to succeed. Nobody can force anybody to follow Shannon's recommendations but since you yourself have been struggling with getting results it may benefit you to follow whatever protocols Shannon has in place. Good luck man.

Shannon, is there any estimation for getting permanent effects from UM/OP?

@Shannon

I was recently contemplating specific beliefs and identity,


Q1. Would having limiting beliefs such as “I’m not worthy of sex” (and related, such as too short, too tall, too thin, too fat, etc) slow down the manifestation(s) of AYP?

Q1b. Could limiting beliefs derail manifestation(s) from AYP and other manifestation subs?

For example, could a specific belief of ‘too thin’ (or ‘too fat’, or ‘too (whatever)’) slow down, derail or stop AYP from working?


Q2. Would having an identity as a ‘virgin’ slow down, or derail, manifestation(s) of AYP?


Q3. Would using AYP long term eventually change ones subconscious identity from ‘virgin’ to ‘non-virgin’?

As in, before the manifestation. Obviously a successful manifestation would lead to losing ones virginity.


Ben had a good idea that virgins could develop a ‘I can have sex, and everything will be okay’ belief.


I’ve been using AYP by itself for 195 days (so far). I read that AYP can take a year or more, in some cases. I will be continuing with AYP.

Do you think that 30 minutes of daily affirmations such as “I am worthy of having sex”, “I can have sex, and everything will be okay”, etc. would be helpful?

What about a couple of hours of daily DAOS 4G, with most time still on AYP?

Or is it best to continue with AYP by itself?


Thanks


Edit: spelling corrections

(08-03-2018, 01:26 PM)Blazedo Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, is there any estimation for getting permanent effects from UM/OP?

Until it is vetted in the real world and we see if it is different, it should be about the same as any other sub.

(08-03-2018, 03:39 PM)MasterEnki Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon

I was recently contemplating specific beliefs and identity,


Q1. Would having limiting beliefs such as “I’m not worthy of sex” (and related, such as too short, too tall, too thin, too fat, etc) slow down the manifestation(s) of AYP?

Slow down is a best case scenario. "Completely prevent" is a more likely one. Which is why I recommended DMSI.

Quote:Q1b. Could limiting beliefs derail manifestation(s) from AYP and other manifestation subs?

Of course.

Quote:For example, could a specific belief of ‘too thin’ (or ‘too fat’, or ‘too (whatever)’) slow down, derail or stop AYP from working?

Yup.

Quote:Q2. Would having an identity as a ‘virgin’ slow down, or derail, manifestation(s) of AYP?

Very possibly.

Quote:Q3. Would using AYP long term eventually change ones subconscious identity from ‘virgin’ to ‘non-virgin’?

As in, before the manifestation. Obviously a successful manifestation would lead to losing ones virginity.

No, and if you are fixated on that identity as a subconscious safety measure, you can easily derail an AYP sub.

Quote:Ben had a good idea that virgins could develop a ‘I can have sex, and everything will be okay’ belief.

That is true, you could develop that belief if you did the right things.

Quote:I’ve been using AYP by itself for 195 days (so far). I read that AYP can take a year or more, in some cases. I will be continuing with AYP.

May I suggest again that DMSI is a much better choice?

Quote:Do you think that 30 minutes of daily affirmations such as “I am worthy of having sex”, “I can have sex, and everything will be okay”, etc. would be helpful?

It depends on how you do them. But if you word them correctly, then yes.

Quote:What about a couple of hours of daily DAOS 4G, with most time still on AYP?

If that AYP is a 5G, don't mix anything with it. If not, then may I suggest DMSI A side?

Quote:Or is it best to continue with AYP by itself?


Thanks


Edit: spelling corrections

If you're going to continue with AYP, then do it alone. I suggest DMSI-A side.

(08-03-2018, 01:24 PM)K-Train Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-03-2018, 12:59 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry @Shannon
Do I need a 35 day break off 3.2 before starting um/op?

Sorry I didn't understand but eager to start asap

Thank you again my friend!!

What's up Jake. For 5.5G programs with P5/P6 it's strongly recommended to take a break of about 28-35 days. I can't think of too many exceptions to that rule. So DMSI V3.3 would require a break if you wanted to follow Shannon's advice to the tee and give yourself the best opportunity to succeed. Nobody can force anybody to follow Shannon's recommendations but since you yourself have been struggling with getting results it may benefit you to follow whatever protocols Shannon has in place. Good luck man.

Hey man thank you but I'm still confused.

If I understand you correctly that means take a 35 day break from dmsi 3.2 and then start um/op right?

So if I buy it now I have to wait 35days to start it basically. Yes?

Sorry I'm so confused by this.

@Shannon I used MLS 5.5G for 3 months, i would insist on this sub for 3 more months but i have a super important deadline in 18 days and can't afford to wait for the sub to take effect. I brought UM/OP, that's what i need now, i can't take a break, what can i expect?

(08-03-2018, 04:55 PM)ianmarconi Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon I used MLS 5.5G for 3 months, i would insist on this sub for 3 more months but i have a super important deadline in 18 days and can't afford to wait for the sub to take effect. I brought UM/OP, that's what i need now, i can't take a break, what can i expect?

I dont know what you can expect but I HOPE that you reach your deadline so if you havent please create a journal here and keep us all in the loop of your experience with this sub as well as how you play it using what device and apps. Good Luck!

Shannon

For all I know this or something similar could already be in DMSI but just wanted to throw it out there. I was just wondering if you've thought about putting partial/staged execution into DMSI, meaning let's take an extreme example and say a guy wakes up from a 10 year coma at the age of 18 and has 0 experience with women, the last thing he remembers about women is sharing his crayons with a classmate. Obviously he'll have some blocks and inexperience to get over in order to reach the final goals of DMSI but maybe he could execute at or +1 step of what he's ready for. So for example instead of DMSI trying to execute "women approach me for sex" it would look more like:

Starts DMSI, women start taking quick glances at him, he's not entirely ready for that so healing takes place

now women hold eye contact instead of just glancing, more healing

now women start to hold eye contact and smile, more healing

now women begin initiating conversations, more healing

now conversations turn flirty/sexual, more healing

now women begin initiating romantic touch, more healing

now they start initiating kissing, more healing

etc...

I thought about it before but figured it would require a multi stage program like am6 and I know you and many others wanted a single stage program. But after catching up with a guy who REALLY struggled with women I think a gradual approach + gained experience might be the way to go. It's not like the guy wasn't trying he just couldn't get anywhere, some blocks obviously, but at age 26 he'd never even held a womans hand. Last year he finally gave in and I convinced him to try pheromones and started him off with 100% socials and little by little he improved, with or without them but it was a bit of 2 steps forward 1 step back. The first night he wore pheromones he literally ran out of the bar when a woman looked at him and smiled, after some months of almost daily practice he managed to get to the point of bringing women home, but had some serious blocks about even bringing them into his room or seeing them naked.

In December he moved Vegas for work and finally cracked and decided he was just going to pay for it which I advised him not to do but he went with it anyways, his first 5 escort visits resulted in nothing due to his hangups. He's financially successful so he kept going at it and went on a bit of rampage but around #10 he finally had sex and then stopped at #35. Funnily what stopped him wasn't the money or shame, but rather he noticed increase interest from women and fumbled around with 2 women before finally being able to "close the deal" with the 3rd non-escort woman and he says having sex was like a snowball effect for him. Once he got passed the sex hurdle, then the non-escort hurdle, it's been a normal and active sex life for him.

Again I don't recommend guys take this route, but I do think that 2 steps forward and 1 step back approach and the slow and gradual conscious experience greatly helped him. Sadly he decided to go the escort route when he likely would have had the same result with non-escorts if he didn't stop after a few last minute failures.

Now back to DMSI if a guy has little or no experience it might take a long time for him to heal towards "women approach me for sex" but getting them to execute "women are drawn to me and start friendly conversations" would be a lot easier, let them gain some real world experience for their conscious mind, and then can move on to the next stage of execution.

I think the best analogy would be like using a subliminal to learn a language, lets say the english to french translations were packed into a subliminal and if put on the spot yea you could intuitively guess the french word for apple but you might stutter and the pronunciation would be a little off. Some minor success but if asked to deliver a speech completely in french with no preparation as an analogy to going from no/little sexual experience to full DMSI execution, the results may not be very impressive. But if somebody used the subliminal + took language lessons + practiced speaking short common sentences their first couple of full french speeches would be a little rough but native speakers would guess he has 5 years of experience rather than 5 months.

Again I don't know if something like this is already in DMSI or if it would be possible, just typing out loudly pretty much.

Quote:If I understand you correctly that means take a 35 day break from dmsi 3.2 and then start um/op right?

So if I buy it now I have to wait 35days to start it basically. Yes?

I don't know how you're still confused. K-Trains post said it clearly and directly, Shannon answered it in his reply, it's been stated many, many times that this is the case.

Signs point to yes in my magic 8 ball!

(08-03-2018, 05:25 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:If I understand you correctly that means take a 35 day break from dmsi 3.2 and then start um/op right?

So if I buy it now I have to wait 35days to start it basically. Yes?

I don't know how you're still confused. K-Trains post said it clearly and directly, Shannon answered it in his reply, it's been stated many, many times that this is the case.

Signs point to yes in my magic 8 ball!

thanks ben I didnt get the answer clearly, i didnt understand what they were both saying tbh thats why I asked and finally phew I get it so ill wait 35days now and start UM/OP