Subliminal Talk

(08-13-2018, 03:03 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2018, 08:18 AM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]How are things coming along with your mystery program and of course with V3.3, Shannon? I will post a few small notes on my V3.2 run when you're actively working on V3.3.

Hope all is well with you!

The mystery program is bogged down, so I had to move to something else to maintain productivity. I am about half way done building the new program, and it is going to have to wait a few days at least for release because I have to spend the next 2 days traveling.

Since this program is using a slightly different approach than usual, I'm going to spend 2 or 3 days verifying that it works as desired before I am willing to release it. If it fails to meet my requirements for releasing it, I will just switch to DMSI 3.3/the bogged down program and work round robin. One way or the other, we are going to begin work on 3.3 in a few days or so.

Really glad to hear that. I don't know why but looking forward to really running 3.3 when it comes out. This Key 2 and potential fear removal module (if it get sufficient testing to be included) being included is making me very hopeful that might finally get to the point of have enough users execute. Though of course I am trying not to get on the hype train. Would just be good if I can get some results while I'm still in the US before I potentially move to China or the Philippines.

Also, out of curiosity Shannon I wanted ask something. You had mentioned that you can activate the sniper by using the picture of someone. What I wanted to know is had you thought about implementing the reverse. Like putting in that the sniper might affect someone who has seen your picture? I admit I do have a more "selfish" reason for inquiring about this. Like Ichigo, I would maybe still want to get into acting and I know sexual attraction would give me a edge. Though I think what would be even more advantage is if females were able to see your pictures (magazines, online, etc) while you were pursuing a acting career and the aura would affect them to see you as very sexually attracted. I could see it being helpful if you were doing online dating as well and had a picture of yourself on your profile. Granted, I would assume something like that probably require way too much energy then you are currently able to harness with the sub. Though I would say if it only required as much as the long range sniper did I wouldn't mind having that instead of the long range sniper in that case. That's if it required similar to the same amount of energy, though I doubt that.

Quote:Not to argue, but I'd say the protection against moms, sisters, daughters and cousins trying to bang you on DMSI wins that award for me

Hahaha but you forgot grandma aswell.. if it has protection against all them but not grandmas then you're in for trouble.

(08-13-2018, 07:23 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2018, 07:04 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2018, 06:42 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon , hey buddy you wrote this on a journal about UM/OP:

Quote:The sub does not MAKE you do anything. It is a set of instructions. It is designed to be persuasive, yes, but ultimately the user is responsible for the act of executing the script.

So those of us resisting or not executing are 'subconsciously' (NOT CONSCIOUSLY) choosing not to execute - and in the case of 3 UM/OP users (3 that have admitted this) are resisting by actually procrastinating or using avoidance (FAPPING FOR KING AND COUNTRY lol) tactics - and this is what you are trying to overcome basically? by...

...Somehow trying to reason and talk to our subC to not resist, not fear and simply execute if it wants to?

So our subC could always choose not to execute?

Why is hypnosis more effective for some then than these subliminals seem to be?

I myself have had zero success with hypnosis except for 1 hypnotherapist in the past that told my subC that I would have dreams that night and voila I did. Thats all that happened for me yet hypnosis seems to be far more effective at overcoming the resistance many of us seem to be facing with subliminals according to historic claims of hypnosis and hypnotherapy.

thanks mate!

I also remember in past I used hypnosis and my memory and concentration sky rocketed but after that things went down and I lost it most.. Today I am in a position that I have problem searching vocabulary or term when writing or speaking.. I was fluent 8 years ago..

I think that's cause Hypnosis relaxed ur Conscious mind along with subc so that why u notice result..

I do believe we consciously try our best to not execute but we are not aware because we have made it like a habit..

For me it's when my conscious mind is absolutely fed up then of fighting the subliminal script only then I change.

For example.. I had a habit of eating from KFC and fast food restaurants... It wasn't good for my health.. I mean I eat so much outside food that I will feel stick to my stomach... But still I noticed that I consciously wanna eat still.. I mean I can feel that it's coming from my conscious mind yet a voice my subc saying it's not a good idea..

So I order the chicken again but this time it was rotten chicken.. Apparently they give me 2 - 3 days old and it smelled horrible and I ate it by mistake and believe the smell off it and thinking that I ate it.. I vomited so much.. That my conscious mind was like.. Man i am never gonna eat this shit again..

So I think it's our conscious mind creating problems along with subc.. I think its gonna take time..

Have u noticed that ur Conscious mind is now a little more cooperative?

With hypnosis the gate keeper known as the conscious mind is made to sleep allowing suggestions to reach the subC more easily. With subliminals the idea I thought was for suggestions to reach your subC irrespective of whether the gate keeper is awake or asleep.

No my conscious mind and I have no changed 1 bit at all. I do not feel any different in anyway which is why im really really hoping that UM/OP is the sub that overcomes my non-execution

Idk why you keep saying that u didn't execute.. U executed few part pretty good I think including NoFap part of DMSI pretty well.. Maybe u should try reading ur old journal and u will realise that u do have changed.. Only thing u are always worried about is procrastination.. Like me.. Pretty sure time will come and we will fix this issue

Overall I'd say that 5.5 subs feel like nothing is happening when they're executing.

It's only major "what just happened?!" moments that people seem to get clear slap in the face this is working realizations.

This is better for changing yourself but also more difficult for judging progress and growth.

(08-14-2018, 02:15 AM)Nox Wrote: [ -> ]Overall I'd say that 5.5 subs feel like nothing is happening when they're executing.

It's only major "what just happened?!" moments that people seem to get clear slap in the face this is working realizations.

This is better for changing yourself but also more difficult for judging progress and growth.

So true. I wonder what the experience would be like if the naturalizer was removed.

(08-13-2018, 08:14 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: [ -> ]Also, out of curiosity Shannon I wanted ask something. You had mentioned that you can activate the sniper by using the picture of someone. What I wanted to know is had you thought about implementing the reverse. Like putting in that the sniper might affect someone who has seen your picture? I admit I do have a more "selfish" reason for inquiring about this. Like Ichigo, I would maybe still want to get into acting and I know sexual attraction would give me a edge. Though I think what would be even more advantage is if females were able to see your pictures (magazines, online, etc) while you were pursuing a acting career and the aura would affect them to see you as very sexually attracted. I could see it being helpful if you were doing online dating as well and had a picture of yourself on your profile. Granted, I would assume something like that probably require way too much energy then you are currently able to harness with the sub. Though I would say if it only required as much as the long range sniper did I wouldn't mind having that instead of the long range sniper in that case. That's if it required similar to the same amount of energy, though I doubt that.

Oh my, that would be amazing!!!!

(08-13-2018, 09:15 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2018, 07:23 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2018, 07:04 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2018, 06:42 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon , hey buddy you wrote this on a journal about UM/OP:

Quote:The sub does not MAKE you do anything. It is a set of instructions. It is designed to be persuasive, yes, but ultimately the user is responsible for the act of executing the script.

So those of us resisting or not executing are 'subconsciously' (NOT CONSCIOUSLY) choosing not to execute - and in the case of 3 UM/OP users (3 that have admitted this) are resisting by actually procrastinating or using avoidance (FAPPING FOR KING AND COUNTRY lol) tactics - and this is what you are trying to overcome basically? by...

...Somehow trying to reason and talk to our subC to not resist, not fear and simply execute if it wants to?

So our subC could always choose not to execute?

Why is hypnosis more effective for some then than these subliminals seem to be?

I myself have had zero success with hypnosis except for 1 hypnotherapist in the past that told my subC that I would have dreams that night and voila I did. Thats all that happened for me yet hypnosis seems to be far more effective at overcoming the resistance many of us seem to be facing with subliminals according to historic claims of hypnosis and hypnotherapy.

thanks mate!

I also remember in past I used hypnosis and my memory and concentration sky rocketed but after that things went down and I lost it most.. Today I am in a position that I have problem searching vocabulary or term when writing or speaking.. I was fluent 8 years ago..

I think that's cause Hypnosis relaxed ur Conscious mind along with subc so that why u notice result..

I do believe we consciously try our best to not execute but we are not aware because we have made it like a habit..

For me it's when my conscious mind is absolutely fed up then of fighting the subliminal script only then I change.

For example.. I had a habit of eating from KFC and fast food restaurants... It wasn't good for my health.. I mean I eat so much outside food that I will feel stick to my stomach... But still I noticed that I consciously wanna eat still.. I mean I can feel that it's coming from my conscious mind yet a voice my subc saying it's not a good idea..

So I order the chicken again but this time it was rotten chicken.. Apparently they give me 2 - 3 days old and it smelled horrible and I ate it by mistake and believe the smell off it and thinking that I ate it.. I vomited so much.. That my conscious mind was like.. Man i am never gonna eat this shit again..

So I think it's our conscious mind creating problems along with subc.. I think its gonna take time..

Have u noticed that ur Conscious mind is now a little more cooperative?

With hypnosis the gate keeper known as the conscious mind is made to sleep allowing suggestions to reach the subC more easily. With subliminals the idea I thought was for suggestions to reach your subC irrespective of whether the gate keeper is awake or asleep.

No my conscious mind and I have no changed 1 bit at all. I do not feel any different in anyway which is why im really really hoping that UM/OP is the sub that overcomes my non-execution

Idk why you keep saying that u didn't execute.. U executed few part pretty good I think including NoFap part of DMSI pretty well.. Maybe u should try reading ur old journal and u will realise that u do have changed.. Only thing u are always worried about is procrastination.. Like me.. Pretty sure time will come and we will fix this issue

I executed no fap only from 1 loop 3.2. Multiple loops and I saw no execution so it demoted me.

(08-14-2018, 04:20 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2018, 09:15 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2018, 07:23 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2018, 07:04 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2018, 06:42 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon , hey buddy you wrote this on a journal about UM/OP:
So those of us resisting or not executing are 'subconsciously' (NOT CONSCIOUSLY) choosing not to execute - and in the case of 3 UM/OP users (3 that have admitted this) are resisting by actually procrastinating or using avoidance (FAPPING FOR KING AND COUNTRY lol) tactics - and this is what you are trying to overcome basically? by...

...Somehow trying to reason and talk to our subC to not resist, not fear and simply execute if it wants to?

So our subC could always choose not to execute?

Why is hypnosis more effective for some then than these subliminals seem to be?

I myself have had zero success with hypnosis except for 1 hypnotherapist in the past that told my subC that I would have dreams that night and voila I did. Thats all that happened for me yet hypnosis seems to be far more effective at overcoming the resistance many of us seem to be facing with subliminals according to historic claims of hypnosis and hypnotherapy.

thanks mate!

I also remember in past I used hypnosis and my memory and concentration sky rocketed but after that things went down and I lost it most.. Today I am in a position that I have problem searching vocabulary or term when writing or speaking.. I was fluent 8 years ago..

I think that's cause Hypnosis relaxed ur Conscious mind along with subc so that why u notice result..

I do believe we consciously try our best to not execute but we are not aware because we have made it like a habit..

For me it's when my conscious mind is absolutely fed up then of fighting the subliminal script only then I change.

For example.. I had a habit of eating from KFC and fast food restaurants... It wasn't good for my health.. I mean I eat so much outside food that I will feel stick to my stomach... But still I noticed that I consciously wanna eat still.. I mean I can feel that it's coming from my conscious mind yet a voice my subc saying it's not a good idea..

So I order the chicken again but this time it was rotten chicken.. Apparently they give me 2 - 3 days old and it smelled horrible and I ate it by mistake and believe the smell off it and thinking that I ate it.. I vomited so much.. That my conscious mind was like.. Man i am never gonna eat this shit again..

So I think it's our conscious mind creating problems along with subc.. I think its gonna take time..

Have u noticed that ur Conscious mind is now a little more cooperative?

With hypnosis the gate keeper known as the conscious mind is made to sleep allowing suggestions to reach the subC more easily. With subliminals the idea I thought was for suggestions to reach your subC irrespective of whether the gate keeper is awake or asleep.

No my conscious mind and I have no changed 1 bit at all. I do not feel any different in anyway which is why im really really hoping that UM/OP is the sub that overcomes my non-execution

Idk why you keep saying that u didn't execute.. U executed few part pretty good I think including NoFap part of DMSI pretty well.. Maybe u should try reading ur old journal and u will realise that u do have changed.. Only thing u are always worried about is procrastination.. Like me.. Pretty sure time will come and we will fix this issue

I executed no fap only from 1 loop 3.2. Multiple loops and I saw no execution so it demoted me.

That was a resistance tactic by your subconscious to get you to either A.) reduce or B.) stop your usage of DMSI.

I can't tell you the myriad ways my subconscious has creatively tried to get me to quit 3.2 entirely - especially when I increased loops to 7.

No-fap is important to you. Subc knows that. You were excited DMSI stymied that habit. You then increased DMSI loops --> increased subc fear of full execution
--> subc knew fapping would remove your excitement about DMSI --> subc "wins" because you quit/reduced loops.

My subc did this to me - except with drinking alcohol, fatigue, nightmares, throwing headphones during sleep, eating large amounts (and the wrong kinds of) food and gaining weight, being nasty to my wife and kids with irritability, stonewalling and telling me I'll never execute and am wasting time so "I may as well just quit now and use something that actually works and doesn't waste my time," tricking me into using supplements that historically have made me depressed (subsequently throwing me into deep, deep short-term depression)...the list goes on.

I overcame each of them by using each reason to strengthen my resolve to not only keep using DMSI, but further experiment with ways to overcome resistance. I used my conscious will to refuse alcohol, caffeine, increase my fitness, eat better, have sex with my wife rather than masturbate, take a deep breath and relax when irritated (or key-out and go somewhere/do something positive to improve my mood), stopped taking unnecessary supplements...In short, I continue to make it clear to my subc that I intend to execute. The more it resists, the more I resolve myself to use DMSI until I do, and do so accurately, consistently, and constantly.

As you do, sometimes "reasons" you thought you'd already overcome will come back with a vengeance - but if you put your foot down and acknowledge it's a subversive act of your subconscious based in fear - you'll once again overcome it, until it doesn't happen anymore.

Treat every reason to quit a sub as a possible resistance tactic, until the day comes where Shannon makes resistance a thing of the past. The resolve to overcome them ("reasons to quit") will help you actually overcome them. And as a result, you'll get a lot more out of subs.

(08-14-2018, 05:28 AM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-14-2018, 04:20 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2018, 09:15 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2018, 07:23 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-13-2018, 07:04 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]I also remember in past I used hypnosis and my memory and concentration sky rocketed but after that things went down and I lost it most.. Today I am in a position that I have problem searching vocabulary or term when writing or speaking.. I was fluent 8 years ago..

I think that's cause Hypnosis relaxed ur Conscious mind along with subc so that why u notice result..

I do believe we consciously try our best to not execute but we are not aware because we have made it like a habit..

For me it's when my conscious mind is absolutely fed up then of fighting the subliminal script only then I change.

For example.. I had a habit of eating from KFC and fast food restaurants... It wasn't good for my health.. I mean I eat so much outside food that I will feel stick to my stomach... But still I noticed that I consciously wanna eat still.. I mean I can feel that it's coming from my conscious mind yet a voice my subc saying it's not a good idea..

So I order the chicken again but this time it was rotten chicken.. Apparently they give me 2 - 3 days old and it smelled horrible and I ate it by mistake and believe the smell off it and thinking that I ate it.. I vomited so much.. That my conscious mind was like.. Man i am never gonna eat this shit again..

So I think it's our conscious mind creating problems along with subc.. I think its gonna take time..

Have u noticed that ur Conscious mind is now a little more cooperative?

With hypnosis the gate keeper known as the conscious mind is made to sleep allowing suggestions to reach the subC more easily. With subliminals the idea I thought was for suggestions to reach your subC irrespective of whether the gate keeper is awake or asleep.

No my conscious mind and I have no changed 1 bit at all. I do not feel any different in anyway which is why im really really hoping that UM/OP is the sub that overcomes my non-execution

Idk why you keep saying that u didn't execute.. U executed few part pretty good I think including NoFap part of DMSI pretty well.. Maybe u should try reading ur old journal and u will realise that u do have changed.. Only thing u are always worried about is procrastination.. Like me.. Pretty sure time will come and we will fix this issue

I executed no fap only from 1 loop 3.2. Multiple loops and I saw no execution so it demoted me.

That was a resistance tactic by your subconscious to get you to either A.) reduce or B.) stop your usage of DMSI.

I can't tell you the myriad ways my subconscious has creatively tried to get me to quit 3.2 entirely - especially when I increased loops to 7.

No-fap is important to you. Subc knows that. You were excited DMSI stymied that habit. You then increased DMSI loops --> increased subc fear of full execution
--> sub knew fapping would remove your excitement about DMSI --> subc "wins" because you quit/reduced loops.

My subc did this to me - except with drinking alcohol, fatigue, nightmares, throwing headphones during sleep, eating large amounts (and the wrong kinds of) food and gaining weight, being nasty to my wife and kids with irritability, stonewalling and telling me I'll never execute and am wasting time so "I may as well just quit now and use something that actually works and doesn't waste my time," tricking me into using supplements that historically have made me depressed (subsequently throwing me into deep, deep short-term depression)...the list goes on.

I overcame each of them by using each reason to strengthen my resolve to not only keep using DMSI, but further experiment with ways to overcome resistance. I used my conscious will to refuse alcohol, caffeine, increase my fitness, eat better, have sex with my wife rather than masturbate, take a deep breath and relax when irritated (or key-out and go somewhere/do something positive to improve my mood), stopped taking unnecessary supplements...In short, I continue to make it clear to my subc that I intend to execute. The more it resists, the more I resolve myself to use DMSI until I do, and do so accurately, consistently, and constantly.

As you do, sometimes "reasons" you thought you'd already overcome will come back with a vengeance - but if you put your foot down and acknowledge it's a subversive act of your subconscious based in fear - you'll once again overcome it, until it doesn't happen anymore.

Treat every reason to quit a sub as a possible resistance tactic, until the day comes where Shannon makes resistance a thing of the past. The resolve to overcome them ("reasons to quit") will help you actually overcome them. And as a result, you'll get a lot more out of subs.

Very well said. Thank you! When I'm on my laptop I'll add this to my journal as a reminder for when I face resistance.

Hey @Shannon after a two week break of no subs, I gave B a shot again for one run and felt nothing. The next night (last night), I decided to run A instead and within 10-20m felt really good, like an aura emanating from my core. The feeling was like the feeling of elation that you would get from doing something that you fear or winning a million dollars.

It seemed to only last one run (until I went asleep) and did not feel anything this morning when I ran 2 runs.

Dont know if this is any help, but it seems interesting that (I guess you would say) I have no resistance in the beginning and then over time I get heavy resistance. Law of diminishing returns.

Today I was reading about the UK Student Loan system and when lots of percentages and numbers flooded the article (wasnt really a flood though, more of a trickle to be honest), I became a little hesistant/mildly overwhelmed.

So I wondered, does MLS have anything to help with maths?

If it does not, can @Shannon perhaps think of making something to help with MATHS and perhaps add it to IYGSH or a sub to help with school as well as MLS? - I dont need it now since ill be starting UM/OP soon, just something for the future.

thanks

(08-14-2018, 06:25 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]Today I was reading about the UK Student Loan system and when lots of percentages and numbers flooded the article (wasnt really a flood though, more of a trickle to be honest), I became a little hesistant/mildly overwhelmed.

So I wondered, does MLS have anything to help with maths?

If it does not, can @Shannon perhaps think of making something to help with MATHS and perhaps add it to IYGSH or a sub to help with school as well as MLS? - I dont need it now since ill be starting UM/OP soon, just something for the future.

thanks

My Math Suck!! Think will wait till 6G.. Hope I can fix my Procrastination and Motivation.. Quick before these focus fire sub come out.

(08-14-2018, 07:13 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-14-2018, 06:25 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]Today I was reading about the UK Student Loan system and when lots of percentages and numbers flooded the article (wasnt really a flood though, more of a trickle to be honest), I became a little hesistant/mildly overwhelmed.

So I wondered, does MLS have anything to help with maths?

If it does not, can @Shannon perhaps think of making something to help with MATHS and perhaps add it to IYGSH or a sub to help with school as well as MLS? - I dont need it now since ill be starting UM/OP soon, just something for the future.

thanks

My Math Suck!! Think will wait till 6G.. Hope I can fix my Procrastination and Motivation.. Quick before these focus fire sub come out.

I get the feeling I may be one of those guys needing to be on um/op for months and months before it works as my procrastination has been all my adult life atleast.

Also I don't get what a focus fire sub actually is and why this isn't one since it's focused on 2 sides of the same coin.

Oh and yeah I hope 6G really helps us all.

(08-14-2018, 07:25 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-14-2018, 07:13 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-14-2018, 06:25 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]Today I was reading about the UK Student Loan system and when lots of percentages and numbers flooded the article (wasnt really a flood though, more of a trickle to be honest), I became a little hesistant/mildly overwhelmed.

So I wondered, does MLS have anything to help with maths?

If it does not, can @Shannon perhaps think of making something to help with MATHS and perhaps add it to IYGSH or a sub to help with school as well as MLS? - I dont need it now since ill be starting UM/OP soon, just something for the future.

thanks

My Math Suck!! Think will wait till 6G.. Hope I can fix my Procrastination and Motivation.. Quick before these focus fire sub come out.

I get the feeling I may be one of those guys needing to be on um/op for months and months before it works as my procrastination has been all my adult life atleast.

Also I don't get what a focus fire sub actually is and why this isn't one since it's focused on 2 sides of the same coin.

Oh and yeah I hope 6G really helps us all.

I also have been a procrastinator my whole life.. Thanks to my ADHD behavior.