(09-28-2018, 07:41 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]So, we're doing this for Friday night I guess.....alright then.
"Revisionist thinking". Well I don't remember executing such that I backpedal and claim it didn't happen. The idea of that seems ridiculous to me even, makes no sense why that would even happen. A person should be overjoyed they are executing, I know if T or S or either of the other two I dig would fully execute with me, I'd be beside myself. We'll see if that occurs someday.
If you are guilty of doing this, wouldn't it make sense for you to "not remember it" and "claim it didn't happen" to maintain your current stance? Let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say that consciously, you really don't remember doing this. Why is it so hard to believe that some emotion based subconscious part of you is doing this and then preventing you consciously from knowing it's happening? Wouldn't that be the perfect way to get away with doing it and keeping you where you are? And remember that some aspects of a person are not rational and logical. Especially the subconscious parts.
Quote:To your second point. EXACTLY. Therefore, it isn't as easy as "I believe I'm attractive therefore I am now", bit more involved than that. It isn't some internal belief as the overarching factor in whether a woman finds you attractive, you still need to "pass the test" so to speak of her own filters. And also proving my point that I've said here often that women are the ultimate deciders on what is attractive in a man. Not us. They have to power to accept or reject. So all the mental masturbation in the world, doesn't compare to real life results. Glad we agree on that.
Except we don't. You want to claim that women are the ultimate deciders as to whether a man is attractive, and I am living proof to the contrary. A woman decides what is attractive
to her,
until she changes what is attractive to her,
or you do. If you know how and you choose to, you can change her point of view on what is and is not attractive. They have the same exact power you do to accept or reject. Nothing more, nothing less. You just want to play the helpless victim because if you don't, you might accidentally get your dick wet.
Quote:I don't believe we can "conclude" that at all. That's a theory. It's also possible this program is doing only a fraction of what it is theorised to do. And that there may be limits, whereas unless certain other things are brought to the table, all the "confidence" and "clearing and healing" in the world won't matter. I'm just not convinced its a simple formula for results anymore, given the massive amount of time the program has lagged in effectiveness for almost everyone. I've sadly just lost faith in it, I will dutifully use and test all versions as before, but I've largely given up the old fantasies I used to have about it. I've tried to report on things still in the hopes something can be taken and used for future versions, but it's hard to do when each report is always blown off or invalidated as "you're a resister, stop resisting, blah blah blah resist". Feels like there's no point in bothering. Again, as I've said before, I can't report on what doesn't happen. I'm trying my best to report what I think may be useful.
I'm not presenting a theory. I'm presenting what years of observing you and learning to understand what you are doing and how have shown me, based on my understanding of psychology. And the program isn't "theorized" to do anything. It's designed to accomplish certain goals, and as we advance it, we learn what the next step to accomplishing those goals is and we take those steps. Each time we do, we get closer.
Your use of the word theory is a way for you to discount what I am saying, because it is hitting a little too close to the mark, and that's really uncomfortable for whatever part or parts of you want to keep you in your current state. The fact remains, you are not achieving the goals, you're not even using DMSI as instructed anymore, and you do everything in your power to defeat the program and then claim it doesn't work and nothing happened, after reporting things happened.
Over time, you've reported less and less results and more and more of the smokescreen "nothing happened/it doesn't work/I don't think it will ever work". That would be a pattern someone who is trying to prevent success would follow. You are trying to prevent success by practicing self denial and self deception. I don't know how much you consciously know you're doing it, but I know you're doing it, and I know you're doing it to actively prevent yourself from achieving the goals.
Your pattern also shows that the program is getting closer and closer to the mark, because you're doing more and more things to prevent it from working. For example, I specifically instructed you to run DMSI 3.2 for 7 loops a day. Your response was to create excuses not to, and then make token effort after that. Because you don't want to achieve the goals, and you're trying to prevent it from happening. And as it gets better and better, you have to go more and more out of your way to prevent it from succeeding.
Quote:I feel the next "conclude" is a theory, based on a theory. Hard to quantify in reality. And hard to imagine a fear of success, or even why it would exist, especially when I haven't even achieved "success" or something close to it, (however that is considered to be in one's mind) with women before.
Ah, feelings. Feelings are not logical, sir. You can't think with your feelings and be logical. And your argument that follows certainly upholds that. More attempts to discredit what I say, because you don't want to hear it. You don't want to change. You don't want to achieve the goals. Anything but that! The fact is, at this point, I'm relatively sure that you're at least as invested in resisting DMSI because you want to "prove me wrong" as you are because you're scared to death of achieving the results. And here's the kicker. I'm one of the people who executes DMSI best. It is in my best interests for you to succeed. And I am not a virgin. So here I am trying to point out to you how you are self sabotaging, and you're doing everything in your power to discredit what I say and deny it, instead of considering it and that I could be on to something.
Einstein once said, "You cannot solve a problem with the same thinking that created it." You keep insisting you have everything figured out, and yet somehow, DMSI doesn't seem to accomplish for you anymore what it was accomplishing for you five versions back, while virtually everyone else is getting better and better results. So what we have here is, you don't want to achieve the goal, so you're self sabotaging and refusing to hear anything that will help you achieve the goal because... you don't want to achieve the goal. And as the program gets better, you have to try harder to assert that it's not working and self sabotage in order to maintain your status quo.
Again, I never said you achieved success. I said you were reporting results in the past, and then a day or two later, saying it never happened. Then after a while, you replaced that with nothing but smokescreen responses.
Quote:Yep 100%, definitely sure based off feedback that I'm not deemed "attractive" by women, for whatever reason. I've long since become more and more tired of trying to solve that rubik's cube that never seems to actually pan out and provide an ROI for the endless thought, energy, time and money spent on trying to get to the bottom of it. Seems to be if you have "it", you do. Like my bad boy friends that rained girls leaving me scratching my head how and why, while not seemingly "doing" anything. While also treating them like disposable trash, the girls complaining about it, but them still raining hot girls which makes no sense but I've seen it happen in front of me for decades. Then those of us in reality, live lives of quiet desperation for some reason, while allegedly being the "real man they want", it's a crock of BS. I've sometimes thought that we can "conclude" that the problem seems to be the wiring of the females in question since 3rd wave feminism, which is likely to be out of reach of a sub we are listening to. (And how unchecked hypergamy has had drastic, devastating consequences on western relationships, but we're getting off topic.) Maybe WE aren't the problem here. That revelation has been big to me. Maybe there isn't something wrong with me after all. Maybe I just don't fit in with things in this current cultural climate. Feels warm, but still doesn't solve my problem of a lack of intimacy in the end.
I would say that what you describe sounds like the women are picking up something about you that either scares them or repels them. But if you aren't the problem, then why does every effort and every product you try in every direction always fail? You are the common factor, man.
Quote:OH...THAT'S what you mean with the "revisionist" thing?! The [reference removed] thing? A total non issue. A funny sweet gesture she offered, things that have happened to me long before subs. I did some good things to help her out when she was in very bad straits for awhile, so she wanted to say thanks. Also, she has a boyfriend, lives with him, will probably marry him, in love with him. Has a kid with him, cute little boy, maybe another on the way someday they've spoken about. Zero issue there. Is she hot? Yes, I think one of the hottest girls I've seen before. Is she involved? Yes. Is she also super high drama with some serious red flags from the past? Yes. Are we just friends? Yes. Nothing was going on there. Even the guy knew about it. Nothing going on, no worries.
No, that's not what I mean with the revisionist history. It used to be that you would get results, report them with varying degrees of excitement and then a day or two or three later, there would be posts that nothing was happening, or that what you posted before didn't happen. Reversal. The [reference removed] thing was totally different. And a little birdy tells me that what you said here about this being something that happened before subs is a baldfaced lie according to what you told them concerning your results from DMSI. I'm still trying to figure out which of you is telling the truth. But this does raise the interesting possibility of you being consciously and willfully deceptive.
Quote:So...NO. I'm not "in denial". That whole thing confused me for awhile now, good to see I found out the background of why that was said about me. It's a complete non story. I knew there was some reason you kept saying that "denial" thing. Now I know the reason. Makes sense, but now I'm glad that's clarified. I'm here to be honest and truthful, so it bugged me the claim that I was not in some way.
In denial about being in denial? lol You're trying to frame this as being something it's not. Simply put, you have reported results from DMSI multiple times, and then reversed course and claimed nothing happened or that "it didn't mean anything". Anyone who cares to go back and read through your journals can see it. If you don't delete the evidence, of course.
Quote:You seem to have read WWWAAAYYY into that [reference removed] thing. I didn't know what you were talking about before you mentioned that story. It was such a non-issue it didn't even register with me to think of. That's why I was getting annoyed with the implication over and over and couldn't figure why. Nothing was going on there. It was a simple sweet friendly offering, to repay what I did for her back in the day. That I didn't even end up taking as I was unavailable that day. Not a big deal at all. Still talk to her and all, but nothing will happen sexually or whatever, she's involved and happy. And I'm glad for that, because for a long time, she wasn't happy and had lots of losers etc.
Except that, as I hear it, you were convinced that it was a done deal, and you would be getting laid by her as a result of DMSI. But again, I don't have definitive proof of which side is being accurate yet.
Quote:The "Jessica Alba" analogy was sound based off your other post. Also, I did think it was obvious at the time...but...that WAS a bit tongue in cheek, Shannon...lol! I admit I'm surprised it was taken as pure seriousness, can probably just chalk that up to the internet being what it is, so no problem. I was merely continuing said logic to the extreme to show it's conclusion. To shed light on the fact that it doesn't really work, and scale properly. And that there's more to it than that. I do not believe just being interested in women can make them interested in you. Otherwise, I wouldn't have struggled mightily with women as I have, and neither would most of the other guys here. But again, it was more tongue in cheek than anything. And because I enjoyed the brief idea of Jessica Alba being attracted to me...so...
I never said that just being interested in women will make them interested in you. I said it
can make them interested in you. If she is not interested before she learns you are interested, she might be willing to reconsider. If she was interested but thought you weren't, then she may move on that. If she was neutral and discovers that you are interested, it will cause her to reconsider. But letting a woman know you are interested does help in some cases. It's not the end all be all by itself.
Quote:And again, another "theory" about my lack of interest in women. As I've said in the past, it's also highly likely that I'm simply losing interest in women because: I'm 37 as of the 18th of September, naturally the libido will start dialing back, I know I've felt a big drop the last year or so. I'm also just sick and tired of chasing women and making them such a focus just to be disappointed. And that I've lost a ton of faith in this sub ever delivering, so the "urge" for it just isn't like before where I was like an addict dying for "the next version to get xyz tech, maybe now I'll execute blah blah". Not to mention the emerging feeling that women my age either have hard miles and baggage (often due to the bad boys they chose when younger instead of guys like me...) I don't think is fair to expect me to deal with. Or children from other men I also don't feel is fair to burden me with, I'd prefer to have my own, not raise some other man's. That leaves younger women, that have tons of options, are very hard to get any momentum with, as time goes on my age disparity with them grows making it more awkward to try. And I struggle to see it being realistic to have anything happen with them. So, I do sometimes feel it's "too late" now for me due to those factors. I "should" have been married with kids by now (anti-male divorce laws aside, I'm talking about normal rites of passage from earlier generations), I do envy earlier generations where they were able to do that, I at times feel screwed over. Maybe 1-2 entering high school now, but I haven't been able to make that happen. Never mind a date, that didn't even end up going anywhere, I haven't even had that before shockingly. Even if I had kids now, I'd be 50 when they are 13!!! Not sure if dealing with teenaged kids is something many 50 year olds want to handle or CAN handle. And I'd have to find "the right girl" right now, good luck with that. The longer it takes, the worse the age disparity will be. So I often wonder if it's too late. All of that, is the rationale behind why I'm not so stuck on women anymore. I will say it feels good to finally not be so "obsessed" with them, especially since that never panned out for me in success with them anyway. And just ended up making me feel bad about myself. Maybe it's more balanced now, and before it wasn't, I don't know. I do I'm clearly different than the average "I want to get laid with hot chicks, brah!" DMSI listener. So maybe that's why the perspective is so different than others.
You are again attempting to discredit what I say. There must be a motivation for that. Is it because I am actually wrong, or because I am getting too close to the mark and you don't want that known?
Your pattern as a whole says that it is the latter. The pattern as a whole also fits perfectly with you choosing to disengage your interest in women because you know that the program uses your level of interest and attraction to fire the aura and snipers, and makes the program work. If your goal is for the program to not work, and you have no other ways to stop it, wouldn't it make perfect sense for you to artificially shut down your interest and focus it on something else, all the while claiming that it's because you're tired of failure, or whatever? That would seem to be the perfect excuse.
You are 37. I'm 45. My libido hasn't dialed back. Why should yours? If either of our libidos should have, it's mine. Usually it's after 40 when libido starts to drop. I believe that your libido has dropped because you are trying to prevent yourself from succeeding with DMSI at any cost, in any way possible.
You have a strong incentive to do anything necessary to prevent yourself from executing and getting laid, based on the amount of fear it would take to achieve the results you have had. You were starting to get results, and you were starting to get excited about them, and then you shut yourself down each and every time. Then you clamped down harder and stopped reporting results. Then you went so far as to stop using it as instructed. All actions that only make sense if you're trying to fail.
These subs don't work on faith. They work on cooperation and execution. Which you are not doing. We know you CAN do it, we have seen what happens when you do. But in this case, you simply will not. That is your will, that is your choice, and that is your result.
If you don't want women your age, go find one younger. One without baggage, drama, jaded attitude or kids. Nobody is stopping you from that. They're legal at what, 16 in Canada? So choose the age group you want, and go get one. You don't need to choose women your own age. My girlfriend is much younger than me for exactly those reasons. And you don't have to have kids. You can also adopt, or forego. I haven't had kids yet because the conditions were not right. I'm going to become a daddy in my late 40's at the earliest, and you bet your ass I'm going to be there for them growing up. It can be done. Especially if you're the millionaire you claim to be. Hire help in the form of an au pair if need be.
You're just throwing up excuses why you can't, at this point.
Quote:Shannon, I meant zero drama. I just wanted to respond to the "denial etc." thing because it's been confusing to me for a long time. Last thing I wanted was an essay back and forth on a Friday night, lmao! 
I just saw this narrative of me over and over and over, was confused about it and kinda annoyed me as I took pride in being honest and upfront about issues guys have real difficulty talking about. To try to help the sub work someday, not just for selfish reasons, but for others too! I'm glad in a way, because now I know the REASON for you thinking that about me. This is all squared away with me, just FYI. Seems to be down to a misinterpretation of the [reference removed] story, so I'm fine now. And, as usual, this will boil down to "the next version", using it and testing it and seeing if it's different. Which I will naturally do. I'm on break since your post to stop listening to 5.5G to prepare for it.
We all await V3.3 sometime. All the best.
I am going through all this to try to get you to see what I see about why DMSI doesn't work for you. I have spent a lot of time running the models on you, and what it shows me is that I have a choice. I can make the final product work for you, and suck for everyone else, or I can make it work for 98%+ and not work as well as otherwise for you and a few others. Any sane businessman is going to go with the numbers, so I'm trying to get you back on track to success. In the end, I have to make it work as well as I can for the majority. The minority who refuses to cooperate is going to have to deal with that. I am still planning to make it work as well as I can for everyone, but the majority rules here.
