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(03-15-2018, 09:13 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-15-2018, 08:25 AM)mat422 Wrote: [ -> ]On that note Shannon, do you have any insight into identifying conscious resistance vs subconscious? I thought I was experiencing it more subconsciously but upon further examination I feel a strong push from deep within me that bubbles to the surface and I consciously sort of lock down. After realizing this I've been more aware of when it happens and remind myself to let go and allow my subconscious to make the changes I need in my life. My conscious mind can be a bit like a micro manager at times, constantly checking in on the subconscious and feeling the need to correct it or watch it intensely. It seems like if my conscious can't see or observe what's happening subconsciously it sort of panics. I think there's still some kind of lack of trust. It's definitely improved with 3.2. Maybe as I make more changes and improve my life that trust will build more?

It's fear of the unknown and of lack of control.

I am working on this issue, but it's not a simple one to approach. But yes, as you grow, it will improve more, and it will also improve as I understand better how to deal with it.

Thanks Shannon. For now what you've improved in 3.2 has helped me start overcoming it more so I think you're on the right track.
(03-15-2018, 09:51 AM)Shadow2200 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-15-2018, 08:10 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-14-2018, 07:58 PM)Shadow2200 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-14-2018, 08:09 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-13-2018, 05:38 PM)Shadow2200 Wrote: [ -> ]Affected do 100% of the work to make it happen?

Yes.

Still too early to tell about this version?

It's producing the results for some. But we aren't finished with the experiment yet, are we.

True
If the affected fail to initiate would be possible that the affected are also be resisting the effects of the aura?

It is possible that they are resisting also. But I can only do so much at a time. That is why I usually refuse to work with deadlines.
(03-15-2018, 09:48 AM)Username Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-15-2018, 08:11 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-15-2018, 04:44 AM)Username Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand the ghosting. When all the female attention gets cut off with a knife. 3.1A . Is it some healing cycle ending and other one starting or what? Have noticed it couple of times during my 8 months of usage.

You haven't given me enough information, but I would bank on, either you're focusing inward to clear something, or you're reversing the intended effect of the program out of fear.
No worries, I did figure it out ...till the next time :p

I also think I figured out what the new test program is about, and I didn't have to toss the coin. But I'm not going to say it out loud here...no reason to spoil it for other people.

I would say it's pretty unlikely that you figured it out. But spoiling it for other people isn't the risk, it would be destroying a very expensive experiment. So regardless, I appreciate you not even conjecturing as to what it does.
@Shannon

What is your opinion on creating a subliminal that increases emotional intelligence?
Sterling and Shannon I'm glad you guys pointed that out regarding alcohol.

Last Sunday was the first time I felt immolation all across my body in full force and also felt heat coming from my face and neck, usually I feel some increase in heat during masked loops but nothing crazy.

This occurred about 30 mins after drinking a pint of blue moon and since I've been cutting back on the alcohol my tolerance has lowered and a pint was all that was needed to feel tipsy which was followed by the feeling of heat projecting from all over my body.
Today will be the second day without my caffeinated tea/mary jane :-) and I have a date tonight the last time I didn't drink caffeine I executed very well and that got me laid, so I am excited to see what suprise 3.2 have in store for me tonight but I do want to say I took my medication (Vyvanse, stronger version of Adderall) that alone boosts my confidence and my charisma so I am excited to see how that will work with 3.2..

I am 7 days in I started a little. I will update when I get back :-)
(03-14-2018, 11:16 PM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]There's nothing wrong with getting laid. In fact chasing skirt in your 20's is optimal.

I have a friend whose slept with 1000+ women and he says it's only through this process do you refine what you want in a woman. He likened sexual experience to primary school - high school - college education. It's pretty limiting for a man to be in his 30's and have only a primary school level of understanding with women due to his own inexperience.

It's also pretty limiting for a guy to be making the same mistakes over and over again without learning rapidly. The faster a man goes through this process, the better able they are to achieve fulfillment and satisfaction with women.

can you please get your friend to contact shannon and maybe shannon could get some pointers as to how these guys are thinking?
I had a similar friend and before I could get some "education" as you call it, he moved away.
(03-15-2018, 05:34 PM)alphabeta35 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-14-2018, 11:16 PM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]There's nothing wrong with getting laid. In fact chasing skirt in your 20's is optimal.

I have a friend whose slept with 1000+ women and he says it's only through this process do you refine what you want in a woman. He likened sexual experience to primary school - high school - college education. It's pretty limiting for a man to be in his 30's and have only a primary school level of understanding with women due to his own inexperience.

It's also pretty limiting for a guy to be making the same mistakes over and over again without learning rapidly. The faster a man goes through this process, the better able they are to achieve fulfillment and satisfaction with women.

can you please get your friend to contact shannon and maybe shannon could get some pointers as to how these guys are thinking?
I had a similar friend and before I could get some "education" as you call it, he moved away.

From what I've noticed, Shannon is already intuitively heading in that direction.
(03-15-2018, 08:06 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-14-2018, 04:28 PM)Sterling Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, here is some feedback to hopefully help improve dmsi somehow. I have about 10 specific females that I do testing on. For every dmsi versions, I'd tried to see if I have a response or not from all of them. The dmsi listening duration for each version for the 1st test is about 1-2 weeks, 2nd test is about a month, 3rd test is about 3 months.

For one of my ex, here are her current results for 1st test:

2.3 - kiss given by her (I was playful and felt aura)
2.4a - massage requested by her (naked) (I was energetic and felt aura)
3.1a - no response (I was not tired from 3.1, did not feel aura and did try to seduce)
3.2b - no response (I was tired from 3.2, did not feel aura and did not try to seduce at all)

I notice for myself that the earlier versions, I would have some results. However the newer versions I do not see hardly any results so far.

(With two "possible" exception during 3.1. When Shannon mentioned before to listen and increase 3.1 loops until results shows. I reached 5 loops until something happen. One night I went out to club, drank 3 beers, and was seduced by a girl to dance with her, after club closed I walked away to leave from dance floor and I felt someone grab my ass and I turned around and it was the girl who seduce me to dance with her. She leaned into french kiss me. I do not know her. Two days after that day, I had already listen to 5 loops of 3.1, I was at another club already drank 3-5 beers dancing on my own. When the club closed and I was walking back to the bar, a drunk girl from the dance floor I do not know grabbed my ass! At the time, I am not sure if that was dmsi related or not since Shannon mention that alcohol and dmsi would not go together so I dismiss those two incidents from my mind until now. Shannon, if those two situations are valid dmsi events, does that mean there are exceptions to 'no alcohol while on dmsi' rule for some people? Or could it mean that some people require to feel 'relax and comfortable' [like on alcohol buzz] before executing dmsi more successfully? Could there be a module for that?)

If you started getting the results of DMSI from drinking alcohol, it means that you are consciously resisting the subconscious' efforts to execute the sub. It means that you are consciously trying so hard to prevent DMSI from working that even without the state shifting, chemically removing that conscious resistance is producing better results than you're allowing yourself to have otherwise. I'm still working out how to overcome that sort of thing, which I strongly suspect is the reason all the "stonewallers/resisters" who are left are still successful.

Quote:You once mention that the newer dmsi version has more power which may produce more resistance for some people.

Is there a way to create a module that will accept or not fear more power? (not afraid of being overwhelmed or confused by more power)

Or could it be that some people like myself have not learn how to process that much power at one time and require a different pace, repetition, or speed to process all the information the newer dmsi version has?

Thanks.


The issue is that the more successful I make DMSI, the more fear it produces in some of you because it is getting closer and closer to succeeding. When the program is more powerful than your fear and/or ability to resist, the program will erase the fear and you will execute quite naturally and happily.

While that fear/ability to resist remains, you will only have more fear.

You who are resisting so far are doing so because you're focusing more and more into your fears in response to DMSI trying to get you past them harder and harder.

How it’s possible for us to consciously resist the program to a degree that the program doesn’t work? Isn’t the subconscious what rules us? I think the problem always something in the subconscious mind and never actually in conscious awareness because we simply have absolutely no idea what’s going on. One thing we know for sure is we use DMSI to achieve its goals.
Hi shannon, i have completed 21 days of loops so far using headphones and havent noticed much so far its hard to tell really as even porn and masturbating is still possible i choose not to but i can do that easily before dmsi too but if i wanted there isnt much resistance in stopping me from watching it at the moment like others have noticed.

I have surround sound speakers setup to my computer just wondering would it be better to try hybrid without headphones and sit at the desk close to speakers and see how that works. I realise headphones going directly into our ears are meant to be better but so far but without noticing much if anything maybe trying without headphones might be a better option.

It has a sub woofer connected will that cause a problem with the audio i dont believe any of it has noise cancelling so it shouldnt be an issue.
I honestly haven't noticed much either but i've only been using the program for a week. Is it really necessary to completely abstain from masturbation? I understand not watching porn but is there something in the program which commands the sub-conscious to avoid masturbation?

If this is true then does masturbation prevent the entirety of the script from successfully reprogramming the subconscious?

Going for such long periods without masturbation may lead to embarrassing premature ejaculation during sex when it comes. I understand if you are getting a lot of sex then masturbation is not necessary but if the sex isn't there wouldn't it just lead to more frustration and neediness?
(03-16-2018, 06:07 AM)Ymiraku Wrote: [ -> ]I honestly haven't noticed much either but i've only been using the program for a week. Is it really necessary to completely abstain from masturbation? I understand not watching porn but is there something in the program which commands the sub-conscious to avoid masturbation?

If this is true then does masturbation prevent the entirety of the script from successfully reprogramming the subconscious?

Going for such long periods without masturbation may lead to embarrassing premature ejaculation during sex when it comes. I understand if you are getting a lot of sex then masturbation is not necessary but if the sex isn't there wouldn't it just lead to more frustration and neediness?

When you don't masturbate, you accumulate testosterone and sexual energy. You transmute that into achieving things you want, for example, sex. Personally, I find a lot more girls attracted to me when I don't masturbate, because they can sense my energy. The aura expands and hits more people when you retain your semen. No it's not placebo - it's real stuff. Smile So if you ask if it's necessary to abstain from masturbation? Well there are more benefits to abstain than to masturbate. You don't need to abstain, but it just helps more.
(03-15-2018, 11:01 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I would say it's pretty unlikely that you figured it out. But spoiling it for other people isn't the risk, it would be destroying a very expensive experiment. So regardless, I appreciate you not even conjecturing as to what it does.

Will you tell what it was when the experiment is finished?
(03-14-2018, 08:16 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-13-2018, 07:42 PM)lano1106 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-13-2018, 05:06 PM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: [ -> ]although no sex yet. But I feel like I might be close and the dam could burst at any moment.

Me neither no sex yet. You know, it is either a limiting belief or a very lucid view of reality but I have a hard time imagining a woman taking the lead to have sex (at least not the type of women that I find attractive...)

In my reality model, a woman wanting to have sex with me will be extremely cooperative with my suggestion of isolation her but as a man, I still have to lead to make it happen.

To have everyday adventures that would put to shame most of the best cheesy porn scenarios is certainly accessible to all DMSI users. It is just a matter to have the strong belief that it is possible and behave accordingly and make moves on girls.

Possibly this is something you acquire with positive experience feedback...at first slowly and eventually, you become a legendary stud....

I still have restraints in that department possibly due to strong social programming. I think that minimal actions is required by the user to get results IOW, execute the script (know idea consciously what it is the script exactly...)

I think the two biggest things holding you guys back are the prison bars you have created for yourselves from fear of succeeding at the goals (not knowing yet how to get from Point A to Point C, with Point B being scary because it is undefined), or being afraid of women, sex, the potential consequences of having sex, or maybe even your own sexuality;

...and the prison bars you have created for yourselves concerning what it means to "be a man". A lot of you have so built your core identities on "Me man, me must hunt, me must be initiator, me must be aggressor, me must do all work, me man!" that you cannot conceive in your own heads of being a man and being so high value that none of that is actually necessary. The really high value males, the real top level guys, the guys who are truly the cream of the crop, they do not chase because they never have to! You instead are stuck in the logical fallacy of insisting on the past: 1. It has never happened to me before that way, so obviously, it never will. 2. I have never seen a woman come on to a man in real life, so obviously that is impossible. 3. I have never been that high value before to a woman, so obviously, I never will.

These are the final barriers we face for almost all of you. Think about them. Realize how much YOU are stopping yourself by accepting these as true. I already have programming in the script that tries to deal with all of this, but you guys are fighting it so hard in a lot of cases that you refuse to allow it to execute, and refuse to open yourself to the new reality in which these beliefs are no longer limiting you.

Shannon, I appreciate your feedback and I acknowledged it. I try very hard to accept it as-is and not argue it. OTOH, I feel very compelled to clarify few points about my mind and situation.

1. I never said that DMSI was not working. There is strong undeniable positive changes in behavior with women that I interact with and I am extremely happy about it. Just no wild sex adventures yet.

Also, I should point out that I did not have sex WITH new partners since DMSI 3.2. I did have sex but not much and not at all since about 2 weeks.

I start to be very horny and this is a very strong source of motivation to make things happen....

I usually don't feel that much horny. This is usually manageable so I kinda can sweep this life aspect under the carpet and focus on other things

Finally, I didn't get DMSI to have a lot of sex with a lot of different women. I see myself as charismatic and likeable and I figured that adding sexual magnetism to me would increase my influence.

I'm more looking into the influence side benefits of being irresistible sexually than actually have a lot of sex with a lot of women.

In fact, last summer, I was wondering if I would be better to use BASE as it is more in line with what I want to accomplish and on your recommendation, I did stay on DMSI.

I must say that during my last business trip, I met few very influent women in my industry and I believe that DMSI did help me in advancing my business goals so I thank you very much to create such splendid programs!

2. You might be right about my struggle about defining what a man is. I have been raised by a single feminist mother. I had no strong masculine father figure to model during my childhood.

Mainstream media is of no help to defining good masculine models. Last week, I saw an american magazine front page saying: beta males are wining.

This is such a non-sense. By definition if you are beta, you aren't winning....

It seems MSM hates men. When you talk about toxic masculinity, there is something wrong in that message. Being a strong man can bring a lot to a society IMHO.

but beside my situation, I would not describe it as a problem. It is rather a journey. The author that I resonate a lot with about what is a man and what is the feminine essence is David Deida.

I'm just going to simplify David Deida idea but I pretty much buy into it:
A strong man has a vision. Takes action to realize its vision. He is dominant and is a natural leader.
A feminine woman is slightly submissive. Has a very caring energy. She is attracted by a dominant man who is leading her.

That being said. This is very in line with my belief. I am attracted to that feminine archetype and I'll never be with a liberal feminist woman that thinks that it is her right and duty to act like a man. For me this is a HUGE turn off.

This is my tastes in women and that belongs to me. We cannot argue on that. That being said, I have to be congruent with my expectations. The type of women that I'm attracted to, even if attracted to me, will not take the lead to make sex happen. The best that I can expect is that she will cooperate and make my task very easy so that I can lead her to sex.

And I can relate to what you describe as a high-value male. Before I started DMSI, I got this wild night in a club where I went there with a female friend and her female friend. So I came in the place with 2 girls. I noticed the most beautiful girl in the place. I went to see her to say hello. She had an immediate crush on me as I kept bumping into her all along the night.

She did ask if we had plans after the place close. She did put her phone # into my phone without me asking for it. She did qualify big time to me by telling me what she was doing at her job (she tried to impress me). As she was talking to me, in the back of my mind, I was telling to myself: She is so much into me. I have this girl.

So when the club did close, we ended up at my friend place and I ended in bed with these 3 girls.

So I know what it is when a girl is around a high-value male. That type of adventure simply did not happen much since DMSI 3.1... I just shared this story to establish that I know what it looks like when a girl is chasing a guy...

3. idk, if you will agree but I don't believe that I high-value man will dedicate time to chase women. This is opposite of being high-value. I believe that a high-value man is busy realizing his vision and women see the potential of the man so she is attracted to that.

My problem is that I'm so busy with my vision (my business) that my social life is taking a hit. I have small interactions with women during random errands. Very positive interactions but I need to do something (like exchanging contact infos) or else nothing happens. I'm all in for letting women chasing me but I need to at least give them the opportunity to do so.

Right now, this is not an habit to leave my contact infos to women reacting very positively to me when I meet them. This is something that I should be doing on autopilot without having to think about it...

You can say that I have blocks, limiting beliefs but right now this is my best explanation for not having maybe not as much sex as I could have...
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