Subliminal Talk

@Shannon
After reading your and Catman's discussion I see that I could be one of the so-called 2% or in my case perhaps 1% since nothing has worked for me on any sub of the many I have tried except for no-fap from 1 loop on 3.2. Multiple loops did nothing.

I don't want to be in this minority. I want to execute and I want you to succeed for me for Catman and everyone. It's in our vested interested afterall.

I started with IML in 2015 officially which is when I packed my bags and flew to Europe to do my dream degree. I invested in a $400 dollar stereo speaker system - us brand (A2+ AudioEngine) - shipped over to me in Europe all at a considerable cost as I believe both in the subs and my belief for wanting them to work.

I jumped from sub to sub hoping they worked purchasing each as I went forward and had issues in playing regularly as I had obstacles in my way either from my health or from travelling back, a flooded room in the UK meaning sleeping in the lounge when last member of family went to sleep (ie not getting 8 loops worth of sleep or listening time)and so forth or a silly inconsistent uni schedule or my own insomnia etc.

I would play via my mobile when I would return to the UK as I couldn't find any affordable cheap speakers to play whilst in the UK and would play with a mobile since this was assured to me I could by you. Only now I got an answer indirectly that mobiles work for you probably only you thus went and bought brand new speakers for my UK bedroom to play whenever I return back to the UK to my newly refurbished bedroom.

I have only been listening to um/op for a short time so far coming to my 2nd break of 2 days soon and so far nothing.

I really want to help you to help me and all like me.

I try to positively and politely always give feedback and my pov as and when I can. I don't always read everything on this forum nor visit daily due to time so don't take it to heart at all when others get critical of my questions since this is me asking what I genuinely need to know due to how I feel at that moment in time.

I now after reading your discussion really want to help you to make every sub work for all of us from the 98 to the 2 and 1%.

What can I do to help you? I am happy to and only for this reason happy to leave um/op and get back on dmsi if this helps or whatever you suggest.

I want these subs to work and I do whatever I can. Nothing for me has changed. When the no fap worked on 3.2 I did nothing different. I played and I listened and only variable I saw was that for the 1 loop I used headphones. Perhaps for me or for all headphones are the only means for execution but more than 1 loop with headphones is very uncomfortable or unlikely for me due to my lifestyle. I still do believe headphones are the variable that allowed me to execute 3.2 no fap subgoal.

Post 3.2 so far um/op hasn't shown me any indication of execution. It's the same tech but no execution.

To help you with as much support and data as I can what would you like and what would you suggest I do for you?

Thanks buddy and to Catman and all good luck to us!

Jake,

Eventhough I don't lurk on the forum alot but I have noticed few major things that could be stopping you.

Please have a thought about the following:

1- you switch between subs way too often. Take a break and truly sit with yourself and decide which sub do you really NEED. Choose one sub that you know for sure you will be able to stick with it for a at least one year.
So choose wisely.

2- you worry about everything way too much. Seriously, I had awesome results using crappy headphones with a 4g sub. So, really stop worry about every detail. There is one person who can truly answer most of your questions and that is YOU. Try to not pay too much attention about what's the sub is trying to do. Just let it do its thing and enjoy. If you want to journal your results choose one day per week to do so, and stick to it.

3- read 1 and 2 again.
4- read 1 and 2 again.

Anyways, good luck and take it easy.

I have to agree with Samba. Also i think lurking and reading other journals isnt good because you want to try more subs. I am thinking this a lot the last two because i stopped BASE and i am taking one week to trully see what i want to use. I am possibly going for BASE but all this hype for DMSI 3.3 and LTU 5.5 is harming for my consistency because i want to try everything

What i will do most likely is remove instant email notification from everything except USLM journals if i decide to stick with this. This comes from a person who thinks BASE is very strong and i saw some results even though i used it only 9 days without taking a break from USLM which i ran near a month (so the results could be from USLM because P6 was running in my head)

Just my 2 cents Jake

(09-30-2018, 12:17 AM)Kol Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, this 17 y/o has putted me in her phone as "my king" and tried to convince me to put her in my phone under the name "my queen" lol

Also, talking about babies, marriage, overt sexual talk and steering it that way, accusing me of getting a hard on while she was grinding her ass on me the first time she saw me. She hsd the whole thing planned out.

Very claimy. When I called her out on that, she didnt even deny that.

Fond memories lmao

"Claimy" is a good word Kol.

To add my 2 cents: the FWB I was with was already looking for a relationship before we met, but within a month of seeing each other she was talking relationship, babies, and stuff like that. I remember her saying that "Some girls will have your baby as a means of trying to keep you around." that freaked me out. I was like "I would NEVER reward an unwanted pregnancy with a relationship" (words to that effect)

Anyhow, we all know how it ended. She just became unavailable and I stopped contacting and she did too.

Also, to echo lano, whenever I notice a girl getting physically close to me (like in the store if a girl is hovering or stops in front of me and looks at me) it freaks me out and I avoid. This is a very specific situation that triggers me. I suspect it's because it's weird. Instead of saying "excuse me, hi I thought you were cute and had to say hi" (a line I used to use and love using but apparently it doesn't work on girls. I think I'd like it used on me tho) they just hover or plant themselves in front of me. It creates this awkward tension of me thinking "what do you want?" It's just icky, for lack of a better word. I dunno. But maybe that will help as well.

Also, I had a girl call out to me in a bar one time while I was talking to my cousin. This was my own social ineptitude BUT it was an awkward situation. You don't abandon your friend for some strange girl BUT you do have to take advantage of the opportunity. I've replayed it over in my head how I could have invited her to sit with us after we were done talking or something but a simple "excuse me, I see you guys are deep in conversation but I'm attracted to you so, when you're ready, I'd like to get to know you better and I'll buy you a drink (she told me she wanted to get me drunk but a drink sounds better)."

And then from there it can be easy but I think a lot of it is my own social awkwardness in these kinds of situations. It's why I prefer online. Everyone knows what the score is.

I mean, the pick up line the 8.5 used on me in online was perfect because it was OBVIOUSLY a pick up line (to me anyways) so I knew right off the bat what she was about. But this hovering thing is just so bad. I think to myself, what would happen if when I'm doing sales and I have just knocked on the door, what would happen if I just silently "hovered" when the person opened the door. Prolly get the cops called. It's just not a very effective way to begin an interaction. Though I know their heart is in the right place.

(09-29-2018, 11:35 PM)lano1106 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2018, 10:57 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: [ -> ]It does make me think if you execute as expected that maybe it will trigger the "baby Rabies" phenomenon in a lot of women.

I think you are on something. Biologically, procreate is the end goal of having sex.

If you come up as the most irresistible man sexually that she has ever met, it makes sense that she connects the dots that way...

Agreed. I have experienced this several times while running dmsi. Even though I state clearly in the beginning the relationship is strictly fwb the “babies rabies” hits them and then a super messy breakup seems inevitable.

Yeah, the "babies rabies" thing is... a thing. I remember my ex trying to do so (have me impregnate her in order to keep me) - obviously in an underhanded manner, because she's incapable of acting otherwise, lol. As long as a woman is honest about it and is willing to talk, everything should be fine. Messy breakups notwithstanding.

[EDIT: actually, AFAIR, I was considering babying up with her until she mentioned that she'd be bringing the kids up in the way she was brought up herself - and then I found myself thinking "oh HELL NAW" ]

Females who are affected *hard* by my DMSIng do tend to try to claim "ownership" of me, get "claimy" (good term ), and it is probably the reason why so many were/are attempting to game me in order to achieve this goal (had one *hardcore* case of that back on ver. 3.1, but only know this in retrospect - and numerous instances of such on ver. 3.2, I think I mentioned most of it in my journal. Not all of it, though ). I am learning how to deal with this (I think I've got this covered). It's very difficult to "game" or "claim" a person with strong, healthy boundaries.

BTW. I think the fact that we're discussing various issues of the sort here, and some "same 'ol" stuff to boot (), seems to be indicating that ver. 3.3 IZ COMING. I remember this happening when 3.2 TID started kicking in for people.

Yeah absolutely, it all falls into place IMO. talking about high value. I can totally see why they do it tho, the baby thing that is. When girls are truly attracted ( hardcore ) hardwire wise, they go incredibly far.

@samba99 and @"worldpua"

Thanks guys I agree with you both.

I would say UM/OP is the sub i would like and need unless a stronger clearing sub is needed which I'm unaware and unsure about but from day 1 I would always have said anything to make me productive (OP).

I worry because I don't or haven't seen results so end up questioning myself and my manner of usage.

I agree to stick with 1 sub for a long time and yes the temptation of a "better newer tech might work" causes me to jump in hope that new sub would work. Even though sex and a gf would be awesome my only reason for testing and being a DMSI sub tester was to try and wait until a better tech was realised or the right tech that began to show for me good results.

I have reduced my forum and journaling simply to yes try and chill out more with this sub and I only read Shannon's journal now to try and keep abreast of any new info.

That all being said if Shannon says based on my previous/original post to change subs to help him get data from me to help me and others or to do things differently then I'll go with that of course.

Appreciate it guys.

If DMSI can do this I will be so happy.

This article has made me somewhat evaluate my current beliefs and what is possible.

Italian Lover <--- it's an English newspaper but hopefully all can read it.

(09-30-2018, 06:09 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]If DMSI can do this I will be so happy.

This article has made me somewhat evaluate my current beliefs and what is possible.

Italian Lover <--- it's an English newspaper but hopefully all can read it.

At least he went doing what he loved, lol.

(09-30-2018, 06:09 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]If DMSI can do this I will be so happy.

This article has made me somewhat evaluate my current beliefs and what is possible.

Italian Lover <--- it's an English newspaper but hopefully all can read it.

He did all that without DMSI. Imagine that.

(09-30-2018, 06:58 AM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-30-2018, 06:09 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]If DMSI can do this I will be so happy.

This article has made me somewhat evaluate my current beliefs and what is possible.

Italian Lover <--- it's an English newspaper but hopefully all can read it.

He did all that without DMSI. Imagine that.

I wonder if a guy like that would just entertain the idea of trying out DMSI for the purpose of having even more than what he already has...

(09-30-2018, 07:33 AM)lano1106 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-30-2018, 06:58 AM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-30-2018, 06:09 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]If DMSI can do this I will be so happy.

This article has made me somewhat evaluate my current beliefs and what is possible.

Italian Lover <--- it's an English newspaper but hopefully all can read it.

He did all that without DMSI. Imagine that.

I wonder if a guy like that would just entertain the idea of trying out DMSI for the purpose of having even more than what he already has...

I wonder what would happen if Leonardo DiCaprio used the final version of DMSI for a year straight.

edit: he probably already is close to his "maximum sexual irresistibility" level, so maybe wouldn't do much lol

that is unless DMSI can boost a person's sexual irresistibility level to "super-human"

Shannon is there any plans to include into LTU modules that will alter peoples perception of us? I really enjoyed the celebrity effect and got offered a few management jobs from it.

I can see how some of the already noted modules could create and alter peoples perceptions but I am wondering if altering peoples perception of the user is a direct goal of LTU or a side effect.