Subliminal Talk

(04-17-2018, 01:44 AM)Fluffy Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-16-2018, 04:23 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-16-2018, 03:44 PM)Fluffy Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-16-2018, 10:52 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-16-2018, 12:39 AM)Fluffy Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon

The last two versions of DMSI 3.2, A and B, I have suddenly stopped using them to use something else to help with my money goals, as I felt resistance in that DMSI will not help me and will actually hinder me in this area.

The weird thing is I will do this and feel all the resistance and then use something else for a week (relating to money) and then realise what I have done and then come back to using DMSI again.

Anyway can you fill this loophole?

Already did that. How about you tell me how you got past it anyway?

Quote:And make DMSI help rather then hinder money wise? Obviously you can't just pretend it will by saying it will, there must be a way to blend the goals so they Women and Money are in the same direction?...So technically reaching the goals of DMSI reaches your financial goals, as they are in the same direction??

DMSI is not about finances, it's about being sexually irresistible. If you believe you need money for that, then DMSI should kick it in through the Optimus Engine. Otherwise you're just finding ways around the instructions not to self sabotage.

Fair enough Shannon.

I have not told anyone this before but I can see how this will make me have issues in the future with DMSI.

When I sexually release I feel quite down and not myself for about a week, I feel "weaker" in terms of my emotions, I am not as emotionally resilient, not as sure of myself, less confident, less energy. Feels like a dark cloud over my head for a week. It don't make me feel good.

With my recent girlfriend, whom I am no longer with. I wanted to stay on semen retention, as I feel more empowered, confident, more energy, more emotionally resilient. Every time I released with her, P in V, I felt the above negatives also, so it happens whatever way I release, even sex with women. I have been playing with this and testing this for a few years now, its obvious.

When I think of having sex with a girl now, the first thing that comes to mind is, is it going to be worth feeling like crap for a week? If I am honest and answer this right now, no it is not worth feeling like crap for a week just to have a 5 second orgasm. Especially if I got to be tip top for all my other goals in life.

The dilemma is when I am on semen retention my sexual energy builds up higher and higher and I really want to have sex, so there is this battle of I want to release really bad, but I am going to feel like shit for a week, which will effect everything else in my life! And because it is the same however I release, even with a woman....this pretty much sucks

Yeah, I remember this feeling of weakness that lasted for about week..Except that I fapped. This was last year. But I have been using 5.5G subs since past one year like MHS MLS ARA DRA..they all somehow managed to heal this directly and indirectly but on 3.2 its all new level.

It could be that u are using sexual energy builds "Highs" to disguised or camouflage ur negative emotions..You know like people use drugs to do that.."A" might do the job.

Man I cant believe that my beliefs were that much ***** up a year ago..

It's not the sexual energy that is the "drug", it's the orgasm. For me experiencing an orgasm and having that release, is what brings the downer.

Yeah same as certain drugs. Technically orgasm is a drug though right? How many chemicals in the brain are released? And how many are depleted?

I am a highly sensitive individual, so I am ultra self aware. I can only have one cup of tea and I feel jittery. That is why I only have one cup of tea a day. Coffee I can't touch with a pole.

I definitely do no think my natural sexual energy is a "high". The orgasm is a temporary high yes, which leads to depletion and maybe even release of other chemicals which brings the downer.

If you've done it right, orgasm is the most blissful experience. It takes 30 minutes of foreplay to get there, which is why masturbation often falls short.

True orgasm lasts for about 1-2 hours after coitus without any "depletion"

I have been a fighter for many years, in different styles and I definitely notice depletion energy/stamina wise, after sexual intercourse and releasing with a woman. Years ago I was not aware of it and it is only when I look back now because of what I am aware of now, that I see the connections. If I was competing now and had a fight coming up, there is no way I would have sex the night before, the week before, or even a month before.

Fighters do this for a reason. There is something to it. I don't care what mainstream says either, mainstream is a joke.

You probably have Elevated Prolactin Levels, Take Some B6 and Zinc to deal with that.

(04-17-2018, 02:41 AM)Fluffy Wrote: [ -> ]I have been a fighter for many years, in different styles and I definitely notice depletion energy/stamina wise, after sexual intercourse and releasing with a woman. Years ago I was not aware of it and it is only when I look back now because of what I am aware of now, that I see the connections. If I was competing now and had a fight coming up, there is no way I would have sex the night before, the week before, or even a month before.

Fighters do this for a reason. There is something to it. I don't care what mainstream says either, mainstream is a joke.

Maybe, but not everyone is a fighter and not everyone wants to live that lifestyle. If you make your living using your mind, you can be successful and enjoy your women too.

There were also historically some extremely good fighters (Ali, Morrison, tons of others probably, too) who actually did the opposite - they'd have extreme amounts of sex before fights.

It really depends on what brings out the beast in you, heh.

(04-17-2018, 04:56 AM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-17-2018, 02:41 AM)Fluffy Wrote: [ -> ]I have been a fighter for many years, in different styles and I definitely notice depletion energy/stamina wise, after sexual intercourse and releasing with a woman. Years ago I was not aware of it and it is only when I look back now because of what I am aware of now, that I see the connections. If I was competing now and had a fight coming up, there is no way I would have sex the night before, the week before, or even a month before.

Fighters do this for a reason. There is something to it. I don't care what mainstream says either, mainstream is a joke.

Maybe, but not everyone is a fighter and not everyone wants to live that lifestyle. If you make your living using your mind, you can be successful and enjoy your women too.

I don't see how this is got to do with anything I have said. Obviously not everyone wants to be a fighter and not everyone wants to live that lifestyle.

(04-17-2018, 06:07 AM)Have at ye Wrote: [ -> ]There were also historically some extremely good fighters (Ali, Morrison, tons of others probably, too) who actually did the opposite - they'd have extreme amounts of sex before fights.

It really depends on what brings out the beast in you, heh.

I am speaking of my personal experience, obviously. In relation to my personal experience with DMSI and thinking of my personal future loop holes. This is what this is about.

I think you are pulling them names out of thin air though to be honest. Especially Ali. Anyone can throw names out there.
Frank Bruno used to do the Limbo dance, before a fight. I just wrote this so it must be true about him.

Unless you fight, train and compete, you are just speaking about things you have heard through the media, which is not a trustworthy source nor is your lack of experience in fighting, training and competing. Personal experience is where it is at and common sense...and that comes with personal experience.

I am getting bored of this topic now. If this was useful for Shannon, great. If not, it don't matter. Just thought I would share.

My thinking was maybe for this personal loophole of mine, add/install into DMSI...new beliefs about releasing, orgasm, sexual intercourse with a person, that allows the perspective and experience of it to be an empowering, energising, uplifting, genuine positive experience that is helpful rather than hindering etc.

Don't forget this is my issue, so no one else will be having this issue. I thought Shannon wanted DMSI to work with a higher percentage of people, and I am a person and I want it to work with me, so I am sharing my issues with Shannon, in hopes of improving DMSI and my personal experience.

Shannon,

First I would like to thank you for having the courage to set a goal such as DMSI. This program is amazing. It really helps me in a variety of ways in my life. And I can clearly see now why you implemented PTPA and Anxiety relief.

Few pages back, you said there are many factors that determine attractiveness and you have a list of 100 or so factors in your notes. You also mentioned that most of these factors are still not in DMSI.

Hopefully we going to get some of these factors in 3.3, yes?
What are some major factors of that list you looking to put in 3.3? Any examples? Something that is not currently in 3.2. Maybe some of us already experiencing these factors as a result of TID

(04-17-2018, 09:30 AM)Fluffy Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-17-2018, 04:56 AM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-17-2018, 02:41 AM)Fluffy Wrote: [ -> ]I have been a fighter for many years, in different styles and I definitely notice depletion energy/stamina wise, after sexual intercourse and releasing with a woman. Years ago I was not aware of it and it is only when I look back now because of what I am aware of now, that I see the connections. If I was competing now and had a fight coming up, there is no way I would have sex the night before, the week before, or even a month before.

Fighters do this for a reason. There is something to it. I don't care what mainstream says either, mainstream is a joke.

Maybe, but not everyone is a fighter and not everyone wants to live that lifestyle. If you make your living using your mind, you can be successful and enjoy your women too.

I don't see how this is got to do with anything I have said. Obviously not everyone wants to be a fighter and not everyone wants to live that lifestyle.

(04-17-2018, 06:07 AM)Have at ye Wrote: [ -> ]There were also historically some extremely good fighters (Ali, Morrison, tons of others probably, too) who actually did the opposite - they'd have extreme amounts of sex before fights.

It really depends on what brings out the beast in you, heh.

I am speaking of my personal experience, obviously. In relation to my personal experience with DMSI and thinking of my personal future loop holes. This is what this is about.

I think you are pulling them names out of thin air though to be honest. Especially Ali. Anyone can throw names out there.
Frank Bruno used to do the Limbo dance, before a fight. I just wrote this so it must be true about him.

Unless you fight, train and compete, you are just speaking about things you have heard through the media, which is not a trustworthy source nor is your lack of experience in fighting, training and competing. Personal experience is where it is at and common sense...and that comes with personal experience.

I am getting bored of this topic now. If this was useful for Shannon, great. If not, it don't matter. Just thought I would share.

My thinking was maybe for this personal loophole of mine, add/install into DMSI...new beliefs about releasing, orgasm, sexual intercourse with a person, that allows the perspective and experience of it to be an empowering, energising, uplifting, genuine positive experience that is helpful rather than hindering etc.

Don't forget this is my issue, so no one else will be having this issue. I thought Shannon wanted DMSI to work with a higher percentage of people, and I am a person and I want it to work with me, so I am sharing my issues with Shannon, in hopes of improving DMSI and my personal experience.

How do you know all of a sudden I have no experience training, fighting and competing?

Also, my bad about Ali, double-checked and he was indeed a stringent proponent of sexual abstinence before fights dogma. Must have mistook him for someone else.

Hey Shannon when will the custom sub be completed?

(04-16-2018, 12:39 AM)Fluffy Wrote: [ -> ][...]

@Fluffy
Hey man. There's a phenomenon called post coital tristesse, but it would last for a couple of hours or maybe at most a day. I get it too, for a whole day, most times after having sex. Look into it, see if your symptoms match.

I personally don't do anything about it and just sit in it, because I know it's gonna be done by next time I wake up. But a whole week is a different story. Maybe there are ways to alleviate it if you look enough into it. Of course, assuming that it's what you're experiencing.

Does Optimus Engine targets subconscious or conscious goals? I'm curious to know if I can get DMSI to accomplish specific things depending on what I consciously consider to be a part of maximum sexual irresistibility or if it's something already embedded into my subconscious.

(04-17-2018, 09:30 AM)Fluffy Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-17-2018, 04:56 AM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-17-2018, 02:41 AM)Fluffy Wrote: [ -> ]I have been a fighter for many years, in different styles and I definitely notice depletion energy/stamina wise, after sexual intercourse and releasing with a woman. Years ago I was not aware of it and it is only when I look back now because of what I am aware of now, that I see the connections. If I was competing now and had a fight coming up, there is no way I would have sex the night before, the week before, or even a month before.

Fighters do this for a reason. There is something to it. I don't care what mainstream says either, mainstream is a joke.

Maybe, but not everyone is a fighter and not everyone wants to live that lifestyle. If you make your living using your mind, you can be successful and enjoy your women too.

I don't see how this is got to do with anything I have said. Obviously not everyone wants to be a fighter and not everyone wants to live that lifestyle.

That's because you're not following the logic. If you're neither a fighter nor a professional athlete, then feeling "depleted" after sex shouldn't matter. You abstain from sex to achieve a purpose. If you make your living using your mind then abstaining from sex isn't going to be very useful.

Even if what you're saying is true (which is completely wrong in the tantric tradition where sex is seen as medicine) the logic holds.

Quote:That's because you're not following the logic. If you're neither a fighter nor a professional athlete, then feeling "depleted" after sex shouldn't matter.

Are you saying that if someone doesn't like how he feels after sex (feeling "depleted") that's irrelevant if he's not a fighter nor a professional athlete ?

Quote:which is completely wrong in the tantric tradition where sex is seen as medicine

Which sort of tantric tradition? I've never ever read about any tantric practitioner seeing orgasm as something beneficial. Even in couple, with P in V it's commonly admitted that it is still NOT the perfect way of having sex. Maithuna being one of the only "accepted" sexual practices which consist of making love and stopping just before orgasm. Hell, many experts claim that abstinence holds its true meaning only when done with a partner.
That's totally contradictory to what you're saying. Mind sharing which tradition it is and your source ?
What I am saying can be found in any respectable book on sexual yoga on a bookstore and even in ancien books like " Guhya Samaja Tantra".

Tantra and yoga sex aside, I don't see what's wrong with a man choosing not to release because he's lived, and observed, from his personal experience that it isn't beneficial for him at all.
I 100% agree with Fluffy about personal experience being only what's relevant. All these traditions, beliefs and facts from scientists or tantra gurus just serve as references. At the end of the day it boils down to how one personally live that matter.

(04-18-2018, 01:56 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:That's because you're not following the logic. If you're neither a fighter nor a professional athlete, then feeling "depleted" after sex shouldn't matter.

Are you saying that if someone doesn't like how he feels after sex (feeling "depleted") that's irrelevant if he's not a fighter nor a professional athlete ?

Quote:which is completely wrong in the tantric tradition where sex is seen as medicine

Which sort of tantric tradition? I've never ever read about any tantric practitioner seeing orgasm as something beneficial. Even in couple, with P in V it's commonly admitted that it is still NOT the perfect way of having sex. Maithuna being one of the only "accepted" sexual practices which consist of making love and stopping just before orgasm. Hell, many experts claim that abstinence holds its true meaning only when done with a partner.
That's totally contradictory to what you're saying. Mind sharing which tradition it is and your source ?
What I am saying can be found in any respectable book on sexual yoga on a bookstore and even in ancien books like " Guhya Samaja Tantra".

Tantra and yoga sex aside, I don't see what's wrong with a man choosing not to release because he's lived, and observed, from his personal experience that it isn't beneficial for him at all.
I 100% agree with Fluffy about personal experience being only what's relevant. All these traditions, beliefs and facts from scientists or tantra gurus just serve as references. At the end of the day it boils down to how one personally live that matter.

No, if he doesn't like how he feels after sex then that's a subjective thing. People have sex because it feels good. I have sex because it feels good. Abstaining from sex in this context is for the purposes of excelling at combat sports.

You're from the school of semen retention. I'm learning tantra from the school of sex as medicine. I've been doing a course for this purpose. Here is the link.

https://members.kimanami.com/

"Sexual Mastery for Men"