Subliminal Talk

(11-23-2018, 05:36 AM)ichigo Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, you’ve spoken about receiving pussy/butt presentations from women previously. Have you been able to identify what causes women to want to give presentations, and if so, anything the user can do to encourage them? Thanks, and looking forward to 3.3

I have indeed identified what causes women to want to give them. Someone she wants to have sex with.

You can encourage them by being that someone. Beyond that, we're getting into basic dating advice and how to influence the psychology of the woman. "Be sexually attractive."

But that means something different for every woman you encounter, which is why PUA is still so hit or miss, and why DMSI, when properly executed, blows it out of the water.

(11-23-2018, 05:44 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-23-2018, 05:36 AM)ichigo Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, you’ve spoken about receiving pussy/butt presentations from women previously. Have you been able to identify what causes women to want to give presentations, and if so, anything the user can do to encourage them? Thanks, and looking forward to 3.3

I miss those. I still get them but theyre always very likely coincidences than purposefully presenting. And lately, not by attractive girls.

You can't get them and have them be coincidences. They are never coincidences. A woman who is presenting is doing so on purpose, even if only at the subconscious level. You may need to work on knowing when it is and is not a presentation.

Shannon you 'spoke' of having a different version of DSMI, down the road,as in DMSI + Romance..ala a romance version of DSMI ,'er something to this effect,no?

(11-23-2018, 05:51 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-23-2018, 05:44 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-23-2018, 05:36 AM)ichigo Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, you’ve spoken about receiving pussy/butt presentations from women previously. Have you been able to identify what causes women to want to give presentations, and if so, anything the user can do to encourage them? Thanks, and looking forward to 3.3

I miss those. I still get them but theyre always very likely coincidences than purposefully presenting. And lately, not by attractive girls.

You can't get them and have them be coincidences. They are never coincidences. A woman who is presenting is doing so on purpose, even if only at the subconscious level. You may need to work on knowing when it is and is not a presentation.

Yeah like, when a girl is doing yard work and bends over, I assume that’s a coincidence. Or at the bar a woman grabbing something next to me on the bottom shelf. If those are coincidences then I haven’t had a legit butt presentation for many moons.

(11-23-2018, 05:57 AM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon you 'spoke' of having a different version of DSMI, down the road,as in DMSI + Romance..ala a romance version of DSMI ,'er something to this effect,no?

I currently have plans for a version of DMSI that is designed for committed people so they can enhance their committed relationships without damaging it, which will probably mean that the focus is on the SO only. I'm not even sure I can make that work.

A DMSI for romance is not very likely. The amount of work that would require would mean a probability of 6 to 12 months of work, and another public beta of DMSI. And after what I have been through with this public beta of DMSI, I will NEVER do that again. In fact I only put myself through it because when it came time (multiple times) for me to tell those who were being shitty about it to kiss off, I chose to keep the promise that I made and finish it.

But when I am recovered from spending 2+ years working on DMSI 1.x to 3.x Final, I will take a look at whether one for romance is feasible.

The entire design of the program has been focused on sex, however, and that says it won't be.

(11-23-2018, 06:07 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-23-2018, 05:51 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-23-2018, 05:44 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-23-2018, 05:36 AM)ichigo Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, you’ve spoken about receiving pussy/butt presentations from women previously. Have you been able to identify what causes women to want to give presentations, and if so, anything the user can do to encourage them? Thanks, and looking forward to 3.3

I miss those. I still get them but theyre always very likely coincidences than purposefully presenting. And lately, not by attractive girls.

You can't get them and have them be coincidences. They are never coincidences. A woman who is presenting is doing so on purpose, even if only at the subconscious level. You may need to work on knowing when it is and is not a presentation.

Yeah like, when a girl is doing yard work and bends over, I assume that’s a coincidence. Or at the bar a woman grabbing something next to me on the bottom shelf. If those are coincidences then I haven’t had a legit butt presentation for many moons.

Part of knowing whether or not it is a presentation is knowing what the rest of her body language is saying. Part of it is knowing what her personality is like as a result. Some women will bend over at you all day long, if that's the most quick and/or convenient way to get done what they're trying to do, and it will mean nada. Some would never do such a thing on pain of death unless it was a presentation.

The rest of the body language, plus the probability that it is not something else, is usually what gives it away. They are pretty rare without the right circumstances.

(11-22-2018, 08:09 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-22-2018, 01:09 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-22-2018, 12:57 PM)Paul1131 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-22-2018, 11:10 AM)Shawn Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding FRM: In the past I have known people who were so depressed that they wanted to commit suicide. The only thing what prevented them of doing it was fear. So literally fear was the only thing why they still were alive. Is there something in the module to handle such situations?

Regarding the anti-hooker-module in DMSI: I don't know how this is worded, but if it prevents paying for sex it could prevent pretty much every sex, because no matter if you pay directly for a hooker or meet someone for a date and hope for sex you still pay for it. So in that certain view it would apply to 100% of women and therefore could have negative effects because in some way you always pay for it.

This is somewhat of an assumption, but I assume FRM only gets rid of irrational fears. I would think you would still be afraid of things that could actually kill you immediately, and that would include killing yourself.

Only Shannon can answer that, but as far as the “pay for sex loophole”, I hope that gets seriously addressed because he’s right, one way or another you pay for sex.

There is no "pay for sex loophole".

In that case, how are you going to ensure users don’t pay a hooker for sex but still pay for drinks on a regular date? To me that seems like one and the same thing and I’m sure the subc could interpret paying for drinks in hopes of getting laid as paying for sex.

(11-23-2018, 06:18 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-22-2018, 08:09 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-22-2018, 01:09 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-22-2018, 12:57 PM)Paul1131 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-22-2018, 11:10 AM)Shawn Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding FRM: In the past I have known people who were so depressed that they wanted to commit suicide. The only thing what prevented them of doing it was fear. So literally fear was the only thing why they still were alive. Is there something in the module to handle such situations?

Regarding the anti-hooker-module in DMSI: I don't know how this is worded, but if it prevents paying for sex it could prevent pretty much every sex, because no matter if you pay directly for a hooker or meet someone for a date and hope for sex you still pay for it. So in that certain view it would apply to 100% of women and therefore could have negative effects because in some way you always pay for it.

This is somewhat of an assumption, but I assume FRM only gets rid of irrational fears. I would think you would still be afraid of things that could actually kill you immediately, and that would include killing yourself.

Only Shannon can answer that, but as far as the “pay for sex loophole”, I hope that gets seriously addressed because he’s right, one way or another you pay for sex.

There is no "pay for sex loophole".

In that case, how are you going to ensure users don’t pay a hooker for sex but still pay for drinks on a regular date? To me that seems like one and the same thing and I’m sure the subc could interpret paying for drinks in hopes of getting laid as paying for sex.

Is paying for drinks on a regular date sabotaging DMSI to avoid executing it and/or achieving the end goal? A big part of your problem, Sarge, is that you generalize too much with what you believe. You take the "paying for sex" thing too seriously and too literally.

Going out on a date, if your goal is sex, then you will do what is necessary to get to sex. If that means playing into her desires to be wined and dined, then most guys will do that. But in the real world, women aren't just vaginas on legs, and no relationship of any kind is "free". You have to "pay" for friendship, you have to "pay" for love, you have to "pay for sex", you even have to "pay" to masturbate. You're just paying in different ways, and with different things.

Friendship costs time, energy, effort and patience. Sometimes money. Same with love. You wouldn't believe how many hours I have spent taking care of loved ones, both familial and romantic. Sex costs in achieving the state of being who she wants to have sex with (hygiene, gym, socializing, condoms, lube, car, job, fun, etc.), and masturbation requires time, effort, energy, privacy, and for most guys these days, an internet connection and a phone or computer.

DMSI is aimed at preventing you from sabotaging DMSI's goals by wasting time in fantasy, doing useless things, masturbating or fucking a hooker IN ORDER TO PREVENT YOURSELF FROM ACHIEVING THE GOALS OF DMSI. As long as that is not the reason for doing it, or what it will result in, DMSI doesn't care and neither do I.

But you don't deserve a refund on DMSI for buying it and then doing everything in your power to sabotage it, and you don't deserve to blame me for that choice of actions. So my job is to make sure you achieve the goals of DMSI instead of jerking off in a closet because you're scared of real vagina, so I don't have to listen to you guys complain that "DMSI doesn't work" and then have you demand a refund because you chose to jerk off in a closet because you're afraid of real vagina.

Going out on a date and paying for it does not help you sabotage DMSI. On the contrary, it is likely to help you achieve the goals of DMSI. The key here is to prevent self sabotage.

(11-23-2018, 07:03 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-23-2018, 06:18 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-22-2018, 08:09 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-22-2018, 01:09 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-22-2018, 12:57 PM)Paul1131 Wrote: [ -> ]This is somewhat of an assumption, but I assume FRM only gets rid of irrational fears. I would think you would still be afraid of things that could actually kill you immediately, and that would include killing yourself.

Only Shannon can answer that, but as far as the “pay for sex loophole”, I hope that gets seriously addressed because he’s right, one way or another you pay for sex.

There is no "pay for sex loophole".

In that case, how are you going to ensure users don’t pay a hooker for sex but still pay for drinks on a regular date? To me that seems like one and the same thing and I’m sure the subc could interpret paying for drinks in hopes of getting laid as paying for sex.

Is paying for drinks on a regular date sabotaging DMSI to avoid executing it and/or achieving the end goal? A big part of your problem, Sarge, is that you generalize too much with what you believe. You take the "paying for sex" thing too seriously and too literally.

Going out on a date, if your goal is sex, then you will do what is necessary to get to sex. If that means playing into her desires to be wined and dined, then most guys will do that. But in the real world, women aren't just vaginas on legs, and no relationship of any kind is "free". You have to "pay" for friendship, you have to "pay" for love, you have to "pay for sex", you even have to "pay" to masturbate. You're just paying in different ways, and with different things.

Friendship costs time, energy, effort and patience. Sometimes money. Same with love. You wouldn't believe how many hours I have spent taking care of loved ones, both familial and romantic. Sex costs in achieving the state of being who she wants to have sex with (hygiene, gym, socializing, condoms, lube, car, job, fun, etc.), and masturbation requires time, effort, energy, privacy, and for most guys these days, an internet connection and a phone or computer.

DMSI is aimed at preventing you from sabotaging DMSI's goals by wasting time in fantasy, doing useless things, masturbating or ***** a hooker IN ORDER TO PREVENT YOURSELF FROM ACHIEVING THE GOALS OF DMSI. As long as that is not the reason for doing it, or what it will result in, DMSI doesn't care and neither do I.

But you don't deserve a refund on DMSI for buying it and then doing everything in your power to sabotage it, and you don't deserve to blame me for that choice of actions. So my job is to make sure you achieve the goals of DMSI instead of jerking off in a closet because you're scared of real vagina, so I don't have to listen to you guys complain that "DMSI doesn't work" and then have you demand a refund because you chose to jerk off in a closet because you're afraid of real vagina.

Going out on a date and paying for it does not help you sabotage DMSI. On the contrary, it is likely to help you achieve the goals of DMSI. The key here is to prevent self sabotage.

A big part of your problem Shannon is you throw these little tantrums and use me as your punching bag. F*ck off, it was a legitimate question. I’ve been on a ton of dates this week, I’m not hiding in a closet masturbating, take that shit out on someone who is. I don’t know why you have such a problem with me aand I don’t care, I deserve respect as a paying customer. I don’t harass or insult you, I expect the same courtesy.

Hello all, it been hella long time since I posted but I have been following what's going on, especially the new and upcoming version of DMSI 3.3. I am sure a lot of us are excited. I just have a very quick question, is alcohol, cigs and marijuana or even caffeine going to interfere with the execution of the new version like the previous versions? Or we have found a way to go around this?

I am sure this question has been asked one way or another, but if anyone could please speed a brother up on what changes are being made/add on 3.3.

Thank you in advance ;-)

(11-23-2018, 07:11 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-23-2018, 07:03 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-23-2018, 06:18 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-22-2018, 08:09 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-22-2018, 01:09 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Only Shannon can answer that, but as far as the “pay for sex loophole”, I hope that gets seriously addressed because he’s right, one way or another you pay for sex.

There is no "pay for sex loophole".

In that case, how are you going to ensure users don’t pay a hooker for sex but still pay for drinks on a regular date? To me that seems like one and the same thing and I’m sure the subc could interpret paying for drinks in hopes of getting laid as paying for sex.

Is paying for drinks on a regular date sabotaging DMSI to avoid executing it and/or achieving the end goal? A big part of your problem, Sarge, is that you generalize too much with what you believe. You take the "paying for sex" thing too seriously and too literally.

Going out on a date, if your goal is sex, then you will do what is necessary to get to sex. If that means playing into her desires to be wined and dined, then most guys will do that. But in the real world, women aren't just vaginas on legs, and no relationship of any kind is "free". You have to "pay" for friendship, you have to "pay" for love, you have to "pay for sex", you even have to "pay" to masturbate. You're just paying in different ways, and with different things.

Friendship costs time, energy, effort and patience. Sometimes money. Same with love. You wouldn't believe how many hours I have spent taking care of loved ones, both familial and romantic. Sex costs in achieving the state of being who she wants to have sex with (hygiene, gym, socializing, condoms, lube, car, job, fun, etc.), and masturbation requires time, effort, energy, privacy, and for most guys these days, an internet connection and a phone or computer.

DMSI is aimed at preventing you from sabotaging DMSI's goals by wasting time in fantasy, doing useless things, masturbating or ***** a hooker IN ORDER TO PREVENT YOURSELF FROM ACHIEVING THE GOALS OF DMSI. As long as that is not the reason for doing it, or what it will result in, DMSI doesn't care and neither do I.

But you don't deserve a refund on DMSI for buying it and then doing everything in your power to sabotage it, and you don't deserve to blame me for that choice of actions. So my job is to make sure you achieve the goals of DMSI instead of jerking off in a closet because you're scared of real vagina, so I don't have to listen to you guys complain that "DMSI doesn't work" and then have you demand a refund because you chose to jerk off in a closet because you're afraid of real vagina.

Going out on a date and paying for it does not help you sabotage DMSI. On the contrary, it is likely to help you achieve the goals of DMSI. The key here is to prevent self sabotage.

A big part of your problem Shannon is you throw these little tantrums and use me as your punching bag. F*ck off, it was a legitimate question. I’ve been on a ton of dates this week, I’m not hiding in a closet masturbating, take that shit out on someone who is. I don’t know why you have such a problem with me aand I don’t care, I deserve respect as a paying customer. I don’t harass or insult you, I expect the same courtesy.

You're taking what I said too personally, Sarge. When I said "you" I was referring to a group of guys, not specifically you. You just happen to be one of those guys. The hiding in the closet masturbating was figurative. But I suggest you chill a bit, because at this point, I have pretty damned good reason to be tired of those who are willing to do anything necessary to sabotage their success with DMSI doing so, and there are no "little tantrums" involved. Keep it up with the unnecessary insults, though, and I'll show you the door. I'm not attacking you personally. Chill.

(11-23-2018, 09:11 AM)Sanbosay Wrote: [ -> ]Hello all, it been hella long time since I posted but I have been following what's going on, especially the new and upcoming version of DMSI 3.3. I am sure a lot of us are excited. I just have a very quick question, is alcohol, cigs and marijuana or even caffeine going to interfere with the execution of the new version like the previous versions? Or we have found a way to go around this?

I am sure this question has been asked one way or another, but if anyone could please speed a brother up on what changes are being made/add on 3.3.

Thank you in advance ;-)

I haven't had a chance to try to do anything with overriding chemical state shifting yet. Not sure if that will make it in.

The changes are mostly being kept quiet until it is released.

(11-22-2018, 08:08 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Regarding the anti-hooker-module in DMSI: I don't know how this is worded, but if it prevents paying for sex it could prevent pretty much every sex, because no matter if you pay directly for a hooker or meet someone for a date and hope for sex you still pay for it. So in that certain view it would apply to 100% of women and therefore could have negative effects because in some way you always pay for it.

The modules in DMSI designed to prevent you from turning to paid sex are designed to get you to stop using masturbation, edging, porn, tumblr, hookers, and whatever other ways you guys have to prevent yourselves from achieving the goals of DMSI.

It's not about not paying for sex. It's about NOT ESCAPING AND SABOTAGING YOUR OWN ACHIEVEMENT OF THE GOALS OF DMSI.

I don't give a rat's ass if you pay for sex. I do give a rat's ass if you buy a copy of DMSI, run it, and then go hire a hooker/masturbate to bust a nut/edge/lose yourself to/jerk off to fantasies/whatever so you don't have the energy or drive to execute what DMSI is trying to get you to do. Which is what a lot of you guys were doing before I put that in there, and some of you knuckleheads continue doing regardless.

In other words, what matters is that you are not sabotaging your own achievement of the goals because you're afraid of real vagina. Which is what it basically boils down to. That is the goal of the Wall.

It obviously failed anyway. Which was why I had to keep going, and create the FRM.

I completely understood that you put it in for that reason. I just thought a module which prevents sex if you pay for could cause a loophole because in some ways you always pay for sex. This was my whole point with the comment. And one thing I can tell you from experience, the fear of women/sex/intimacy/[whatever the problem is] was for me definitely stronger than something that could be overcome with such modules, it only creates run-away situations. And I somehow don't even care about these modules anymore but FRM is what is really needed and what will help to achieve the goal, not these modules.

@Shannon hi Shannon hope you are doing well. I don't know about the rest of the people but I cannot wait for MHS 6G it probably will be a while for now. Currently running MHS 5.5g for some physical issues hopefully that will pass by.