Subliminal Talk

(07-19-2018, 10:13 PM)Kol Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2018, 02:19 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2018, 11:38 AM)Kol Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon,

Would you say that having dark triad tendencies, such as narcissism is an strong response to h/c even if it continuous on B? I had a conversation today in which im having an strong reduction in care and empathy at all, till the point, when it spiked, it putted me into an callous tunnelvision like state. I was commented on the stare aswell.

Also, as I was interviewed further and remember it, it was shocking how easy the follow up steps we're to that and how unfazed I was under it. Thinking back to it, mere attention makes this kind of slippery like it is fed instantly. It gains momentum fast in an way it ticks many boxes of npd for example.

That it also is met with curiosity and calculating intelligence is...idk.

I have no clue.

There should be nothing negative coming out of the H&C. The H&C is not designed to be universal, but to result in clearing the way for the program to execute, so if you have one or more of those issues and you are using A side, it may not affect them in terms of healing or clearing them. They may become more obvious, although the program is designed to prevent negative results. I'm not sure what to tell you. Have you been professionally evaluated?

Im currently seeing someone for it, or, atleast, when I entered the whole traject and stuff it was for something else. It became more obvious when I ran A version, when a lot of anxiety and paranoia came crashing in. People and events and what led up to the anxiety and paranoia, and it crashed in present time.

It also is like a persistent set of thoughts and confronting it, accepting these parts of me, are met with an huge sense of "loss of control" and "giving in will cause me to cross the line".
Never crossed the line, but know its really easy.

The person im seeing currently and who I spoke about hints multiple times towards low self esteem and selflove, aswell as insecurity. Its like my mind pingpongs. One moment very clear, next moment tension and chaos. Like the story of 2 wolves, and the one being fed is the one who will win.

Its like im supressing feelimgs in an sense, if that makes sense, while, when lookingbinto this, im suddenly clearminded without having any feeling going on at all.

If this is a result of the H&C then the H&C is doing something that is bringing this to the surface. My advice is that you do one of the following two things.

1. Stop using DMSI or any other sub that triggers you in this way.
2. Only use that sub with the careful supervision of a psychological professional who is aware that you are using the sub and what it is designed to do.

(07-19-2018, 10:26 PM)apollolux Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Shannon, I was wondering how goes your fragrance work? Are you currently enjoying it?

Fragrance work has been on pause for some time now, as I have not had time and I am apparently quite allergic to most of the aroma chemistry at this point.

However, recently, given how well the MHS program has helped my cough, I started working again on a fragrance I had been working on in the past. It's intended to be primarily sweet, and utilize various masculine components to give it extreme sex appeal to women of all ages, but especially 18 to 24. Basically an ultra-sexy fragrance that is almost irresistibly sexy to women of that age group, but will also positively interest women who are older as well. I also want it to be a genuine aphrodisiac. I figure if I can pull that off, you guys will be happy to buy it.

There is currently a fragrance that exists that is what I am basing this one on, and it is good enough that I might never have started building this one if not for the fact that it was discontinued. Why did they discontinue their best fragrance and keep making the relatively mediocre stuff they had otherwise? I guess they overhyped it and sales were abysmal. What I do know is, it's a gorgeous fragrance, and it won't be made anymore, and so I am creating my own version of it.

And I am going to aim for making my version last longer, be a much better aphrodisiac and be classier. The most beautiful women have the highest value guys approaching, so they equate class with sexiness.

I have managed to achieve an accord of the first two ingredients that works, but the third ingredient, we are still trying to choose between two different options for how much to add. There are a lot of ingredients, so this will take a while. But when I get done, if it becomes what I want it to be it will be extremely sexy. Here's the intended notes pyramid (subject to change):

Top: Pink Grapefruit, Lemon, Bergamot, Champagne
Middle: Caramel, Cinnamon, Suede, Lavender, Herbal Notes
Base: Campfire, Tobacco Notes, Wood Notes, Vanilla, Black Musk, Sweet Musk, Animal Notes, Natural Aphrodisiacs

The goal is to blend these together to make a fragrance that is youthful, classy, naughty, fun, aphrodisiac and basically irresistibly sexy.

I don't know how long it will take to make this. I had to start again from scratch on the formulation because the key note was wrong in the last effort. But it seems likely that this will be done, and end up being a pretty good fragrance. If it's at least as good as the one I am using as a guide, it will be something I wear all the time.

(07-19-2018, 10:51 PM)JackOfHearts Wrote: [ -> ]

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(07-17-2018, 11:23 PM)JackOfHearts Wrote: [ -> ]I wasn't in either of this cases and I still got tinnitus from subliminals, so I doubt that it's the only possible way to get tinnitus.

I seriously doubt that. I would say you already had tinnitus and using the subliminals the way you did made it more obvious. But the masked tracks cannot give you tinnitus unless you use them at rock concert level volumes, because they are just like any other sound. Ultrasonic audio is known to trigger tinnitus, and it has to be used at lower volumes than masked to prevent that for some people.

You can seriously doubt about it if you want it doesn't change what I have experienced.
I never had any problem what so ever in my hearing before doing AM5, I would go in clubs with music much higher than normal level and I wouldn't have any hearing pain or tinnitus sound after it.
After doing AM5 around stage 4 or 5 I started to get tinnitus with pain from just from people speaking if it's a bit loud, I always listened to the masked track during that time. Also the sound level was quite low as my brother couldn't hear it in the next room, certainly not rock concert level.

So according to you it made my tinnitus more obvious, even if it was the case that would still make your subliminal the culprit especially since tinnitus is a subjective problems. Probably everyone can remember an experience when they heard a very loud noise and their hears hurt a little bit, in wars video games you can see that all the time when a grenade explode near the player, to make it realistic the player hear this hissing sound for about 5 seconds or so. Tinnitus is exactly that but it doesn't stop.
In that grenade example would you say if a guy experience that in real life and he got tinnitus afterward from it, would say that grenade wasn't the cause of the tinnitus but that it just made it more obvious to him that he tinnitus before. I could have others example like with headache, if you don't notice you have an headache, then you don't have any headache as it's subjective, same with tinnitus, if you don't notice it then you don't have it.

Quote:because they are just like any other sound.

I agree with you on that. There is a thing written on headset sometimes, like don't listen for long period of time as it may damage your hearing.
It can be normal sound from speaker, it still seems to damage the hearing after long period of times. And to me it's exactly what I experience if I watch movies all day or series or youtube or music all day without stopping my tinnitus gets stronger. And if I use headset it worsen the effects.
The sound doesn't need to be special, hearing your subs more than 8 hours a day is probably not a good thing for anyone long term wise.

Human ears are designed to be used for very long periods of time. Your whole life, in fact. That warning on the sides of headphones isn't about using them for long periods of time, it's about using them at high volumes for too long. You can listen to waves crashing at the beach for a whole life, if you live at the beach, and never have tinnitus in response. You can listen to jungle sounds under the same circumstances, and same deal. But somehow, listening to a masked subliminal is supposed to be triggering tinnitus because of the masking track being played at reasonable volume? I'm going to have to say that's not possible.

The only way I can think of that you could possibly have tinnitus in direct response to the subliminal under the conditions you describe, is if it is some sort of previously unrealized resistance tactic. I don't question that you experienced it, but I do question what caused it, and I guarantee that the masking tracks I use, played at reasonable volumes, can't do that. I can also guarantee you that the subliminalized audio itself can't do that for the very same reason on a masked track. Leaving us with the only possible explanation being some sort of subconscious response to the subliminal messages. And honestly, I can't see how that is possible either... although I do not know what the cause(s) of tinnitus are (aside from overvolume of audio). So that seems a possible explanation, but I have a significantly hard time following how that is possible even as a resistance tactic unless it is an extremely rare resistance tactic that results from the subconscious trying to get you to stop listening. Otherwise we'd have figured out that it's a resistance tactic already.

How do you explain that my tinnitus get stronger when I'm listening to any youtube video at a very low level on my computer? And when I listen to natural waves sound from the sea that is at a higher sound level it doesn't get stronger.

The only explanation I can come up with is that you have some sort of psychological response that triggers you to either magnify or notice an existing tinnitus. The thing is, there is NO way that those sounds, either one of them, can physically trigger tinnitus as you describe them. So I don't know what to tell you as to why one triggers it and one doesn't, because I am just as baffled as you are as to exactly what it is and what is causing it.

Quote:I don't know for you but when I record something from the physical world and play it on my computer the sound is different, it's not the same. Exactly like if I would take a landscape picture with my phone, it wouldn't be the same as looking at the landscape itself. Even if someone had the best tool to record and listen to an audio file it wouldn't be exactly the same.
Recorded waves sound is very different to me compared to the real thing, the real thing is way more relaxing to me, it's not easy to explain but it's obvious the recorded one isn't the same.

Edit: a even better comparison would be watching football on TV vs watching the real stuff live in the stadium, it's not the same thing. Watching TV all day is known to affect eyes sight, so maybe listening to music all day isn't recommended either, even if it's not rock concert level.

A recording of a sound, and the original, does differ slightly. But the difference is so slight that it really doesn't matter for triggering tinnitus. And neither one should be triggering tinnitus in the first place.

(07-20-2018, 06:19 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2018, 07:10 PM)THolt Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2018, 07:05 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2018, 05:46 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Since the Sleep Induction Aid 2.0 is taking longer than I thought to finish, I am going to finish it and then start working round robin on DMSI 3.3 and one or more other programs.

Ya know, after I got home and read this it kind of made sense of what was happening to me today. I noticed today that particularly on this one chick I've had my eye on, the Latina with the nice backside, that I didn't have the standard "I don't care" attitude. I literally was checking her out as she walked in and was feeling sexually attracted to her. On top of that I kept on feeling this need to want to start my online program and get through it already. Didn't know where this sudden motivation to move forward in my life came from. I thought at first it might be from US/LM but seeing as you might be putting that on hold for a bit and combined with my sexual interest being restored it might just be TID from 3.3. I guess this might be a good sign that things are moving in the right direction as far as me not resisting with the "I don't care" attitude.

As I side note, have you come up with any ideas on how to remedy the "Scorch earth" reaction when the subconscious resists? I didn't get it on version A but I certainly got that adverse reaction on B for some reason. It felt like what you described when you were in that "cycle". Everything that could go wrong, did go wrong.

Gotta love those Latinas and their backsides. Saw some nice Brazilian ones at the gym tonight, actually.

I haven't really had much chance to contemplate the scorched earth response, but I know there is a way to deal with it effectively. I have been hard at work on more "Deep Magic" modules and those are both in B17 and still being formulated in my mind. I have one that I came up with tonight that should be particularly interesting to run through the models. It's either going to be a complete flop, or turn resistance on it's head, one of the two. There's a lot of good stuff coming, and I will try to implement as much as I can in 3.3.

Idk if you have answered this or not but what exactly are “Deep Magic” modules?

"Deep Magic" is the modules that are the most powerful and have the most potential for change to achieve the program's goals. They're also the ones that must be used the most carefully as a result.

The term "deep magic" comes from my days in the world of computer programming, and references programming methods for making things happen that require extremely advanced skills with programming (sometimes known as "wizardry"), so advanced that the results seems like magic.

The Deep Magic modules work to make changes at very deep, fundamental levels which everything else is built on. If you move the foundation of a house, for example, the entire house automatically moves with it. If you guys can't find a way past the resistance by approaching it from "above" or "from the side", as we have done so far, then we have to approach it "from below". We have to find a way to cause whatever is triggering your fears (which result in resistance) to be adjusted such that it no longer results in fear and resistance. The goal of the DeepMmagic modules is just that: either negate or reverse the fears that prevent the program from achieving its goals, thus clearing the path to success.

I have implemented DM #1 and DM #2 in DMSI 3.2, and there are more that have been developed that will be added in 3.3, and more that are under construction that will be added in 3.4.

Oh ok.

Will Deep Magic modules be standard in upcoming programs like US/LM and UM/OP (if it ends up not being a focus fire) or is it just for heavy hitting programs like DSMI?

(07-20-2018, 06:46 AM)THolt Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2018, 06:19 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2018, 07:10 PM)THolt Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2018, 07:05 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2018, 05:46 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: [ -> ]Ya know, after I got home and read this it kind of made sense of what was happening to me today. I noticed today that particularly on this one chick I've had my eye on, the Latina with the nice backside, that I didn't have the standard "I don't care" attitude. I literally was checking her out as she walked in and was feeling sexually attracted to her. On top of that I kept on feeling this need to want to start my online program and get through it already. Didn't know where this sudden motivation to move forward in my life came from. I thought at first it might be from US/LM but seeing as you might be putting that on hold for a bit and combined with my sexual interest being restored it might just be TID from 3.3. I guess this might be a good sign that things are moving in the right direction as far as me not resisting with the "I don't care" attitude.

As I side note, have you come up with any ideas on how to remedy the "Scorch earth" reaction when the subconscious resists? I didn't get it on version A but I certainly got that adverse reaction on B for some reason. It felt like what you described when you were in that "cycle". Everything that could go wrong, did go wrong.

Gotta love those Latinas and their backsides. Saw some nice Brazilian ones at the gym tonight, actually.

I haven't really had much chance to contemplate the scorched earth response, but I know there is a way to deal with it effectively. I have been hard at work on more "Deep Magic" modules and those are both in B17 and still being formulated in my mind. I have one that I came up with tonight that should be particularly interesting to run through the models. It's either going to be a complete flop, or turn resistance on it's head, one of the two. There's a lot of good stuff coming, and I will try to implement as much as I can in 3.3.

Idk if you have answered this or not but what exactly are “Deep Magic” modules?

"Deep Magic" is the modules that are the most powerful and have the most potential for change to achieve the program's goals. They're also the ones that must be used the most carefully as a result.

The term "deep magic" comes from my days in the world of computer programming, and references programming methods for making things happen that require extremely advanced skills with programming (sometimes known as "wizardry"), so advanced that the results seems like magic.

The Deep Magic modules work to make changes at very deep, fundamental levels which everything else is built on. If you move the foundation of a house, for example, the entire house automatically moves with it. If you guys can't find a way past the resistance by approaching it from "above" or "from the side", as we have done so far, then we have to approach it "from below". We have to find a way to cause whatever is triggering your fears (which result in resistance) to be adjusted such that it no longer results in fear and resistance. The goal of the DeepMmagic modules is just that: either negate or reverse the fears that prevent the program from achieving its goals, thus clearing the path to success.

I have implemented DM #1 and DM #2 in DMSI 3.2, and there are more that have been developed that will be added in 3.3, and more that are under construction that will be added in 3.4.

Oh ok.

Will Deep Magic modules be standard in upcoming programs like US/LM and UM/OP (if it ends up not being a focus fire) or is it just for heavy hitting programs like DSMI?

Deep Magic will ONLY be used where and when it is necessary to achieve the program goals. DMSI, for sure. It will be available in the skeleton script. But you won't need them for most things; they would be drastic overkill, for example, to use in the Sleep Induction Aid.

The reason they are only coming out now is because I wanted to do everything possible before I started using such powerful methods. Great power must be handled with great care. And as one of my instructors once told me, "You don't drive a nail with a nuclear bomb." So for the really challenging stuff where fear prevents it from working otherwise, we will be using the appropriate DM modules, but only where they are genuinely necessary to achieve the goals.

(07-20-2018, 06:20 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2018, 10:13 PM)Kol Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2018, 02:19 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2018, 11:38 AM)Kol Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon,

Would you say that having dark triad tendencies, such as narcissism is an strong response to h/c even if it continuous on B? I had a conversation today in which im having an strong reduction in care and empathy at all, till the point, when it spiked, it putted me into an callous tunnelvision like state. I was commented on the stare aswell.

Also, as I was interviewed further and remember it, it was shocking how easy the follow up steps we're to that and how unfazed I was under it. Thinking back to it, mere attention makes this kind of slippery like it is fed instantly. It gains momentum fast in an way it ticks many boxes of npd for example.

That it also is met with curiosity and calculating intelligence is...idk.

I have no clue.

There should be nothing negative coming out of the H&C. The H&C is not designed to be universal, but to result in clearing the way for the program to execute, so if you have one or more of those issues and you are using A side, it may not affect them in terms of healing or clearing them. They may become more obvious, although the program is designed to prevent negative results. I'm not sure what to tell you. Have you been professionally evaluated?

Im currently seeing someone for it, or, atleast, when I entered the whole traject and stuff it was for something else. It became more obvious when I ran A version, when a lot of anxiety and paranoia came crashing in. People and events and what led up to the anxiety and paranoia, and it crashed in present time.

It also is like a persistent set of thoughts and confronting it, accepting these parts of me, are met with an huge sense of "loss of control" and "giving in will cause me to cross the line".
Never crossed the line, but know its really easy.

The person im seeing currently and who I spoke about hints multiple times towards low self esteem and selflove, aswell as insecurity. Its like my mind pingpongs. One moment very clear, next moment tension and chaos. Like the story of 2 wolves, and the one being fed is the one who will win.

Its like im supressing feelimgs in an sense, if that makes sense, while, when lookingbinto this, im suddenly clearminded without having any feeling going on at all.

If this is a result of the H&C then the H&C is doing something that is bringing this to the surface. My advice is that you do one of the following two things.

1. Stop using DMSI or any other sub that triggers you in this way.
2. Only use that sub with the careful supervision of a psychological professional who is aware that you are using the sub and what it is designed to do.

Thank you Shannon, much appreciated. In a way it reminds me of AM6. Similar things were brought up back then, almost, as I understand, an "burn all" response. Im also experiencing 3.3 TID. The whole predatory thing also has this alpha energy to it, perhaps the 1.0 version of it. Control gives me thrill. The whole narc thing is fuelling me on an adrenaline level. It was dormant but now surfacing in an more raw uninhibited way. All kind if excuses come up as to why this path is the one to take. It does cause me to re-evaluate my core principals, values, boundaries. Its like a huge intimidation thing aswell, it all ties in with an core fear it seems. Like a warzone. I can see the use of it. By being pushed to be raw and clear in my boundaries.

Im seeing a therapist for, initially, cptsd. Im not planning on crossing the line of ending behind bars, it is very raw tho. Im open about it, running DMSI. He is understanding towards me and even called me out on several things.

I can decide to accept it, being an unmovable narc with still an sort of awareness, but, its pretty much split in the most 50/50 sense.

1) deciding to go all deep down, unrooting the cause, scaring my inner child shitless through introspection ( my journals show I am introspective )
2) accepting the shallowness, glib and charm, which I own and no longer healing. Whatever it is, its scaring me shitless. Especially when watching me in an dissociative state.

I am appreciating your feedback. Im amidst the wanting to heal and stay where I am. Split. Part is about accepting ( embracing me ) another is letting go ( which also brings me back to my past, selling myself out, giving myself away under the banner of peace )

Hope it does give you some feedback.

Thank you for your time.

Have anyone noticed a beep kinda sound that keep going on in the background of DMSI 3.2A masked?

Shannon is this normal?

@Shannon I was having a discussion with a friend about luck. He posed the question “would you rather have moderately bad luck for a long time or really bad luck for a short period of time of a few years but relatively good luck after that.
Of course I thought of LM/US. Could that be TID from US/LM?

(07-19-2018, 11:06 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2018, 09:00 AM)Tigerismyspirit Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon posts this and I have the urge to switch onto AM6

Quote:Since the Sleep Induction Aid 2.0 is taking longer than I thought to finish, I am going to finish it and then start working round robin on DMSI 3.3 and one or more other programs.

SIA 2.0 is looking promising, but it is very challenging to navigate through all the options I have to figure out whether to turn on or off.

That is very interesting. You think that is a fear-escape response from 3.3? That's what it sounds like to me. Makes me wonder what your subconscious knows about 3.3, and how much of that response and knowledge is TID.

I don’t think it’s a fear response. If it was fear I would have thought about running away from DMSI for good. I had a thought that DMSI is still in development so I’ll come back to it after running AM6 once and strip away my childish acts that I still hugely possess. Me noticing a lot of beta behaviors from people around me and myself sometimes and women seeking only alpha men might be the trigger behind this urge. And about TID, I’m not quite sure if I’m feeling it yet. Today is a lot different though. I’ve run B side for 13 days and hit a bump this morning in terms of whole new epiphanies and inner strength. The AM6 urge was very potent yesterday but almost nonexistent today.

Im not sure if i read it right, DMSI 3.3 version will come out in 1 - 3 weeks? So i better pause 3.2? Right?

(07-20-2018, 08:18 AM)samba99 Wrote: [ -> ]Have anyone noticed a beep kinda sound that keep going on in the background of DMSI 3.2A masked?

Shannon is this normal?

I haven't noted that. It's not supposed to be there.

(07-20-2018, 08:23 AM)THolt Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon I was having a discussion with a friend about luck. He posed the question “would you rather have moderately bad luck for a long time or really bad luck for a short period of time of a few years but relatively good luck after that.
Of course I thought of LM/US. Could that be TID from US/LM?

I don't see what it would have to do with actually having "luck" as TID.

(07-20-2018, 10:50 AM)kornjacinvrac Wrote: [ -> ]Im not sure if i read it right, DMSI 3.3 version will come out in 1 - 3 weeks? So i better pause 3.2? Right?

I was saying that I am most likely to let you know in1 to 3 weeks that it is time to stop using subs for the 35 day break before DMSI 3.3 is released. So I am basically estimating it will be 1 to 2 months before 3.3 is released.

(07-20-2018, 10:55 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2018, 08:18 AM)samba99 Wrote: [ -> ]Have anyone noticed a beep kinda sound that keep going on in the background of DMSI 3.2A masked?

Shannon is this normal?

I haven't noted that. It's not supposed to be there.

Hi Shannon.

He must be talking about Ocean Waves.

It does indeed have a beeping sound in the background. I've commented on it long long ago when I used to listen to masked tracks. A couple others confirmed it too.

I don't believe Trickling Stream has it, but Ocean Waves does for sure. It seemed to be more noticeable in periods where the waves die down.

Fantastic to hear mobilisation on V3.3 is occurring. Is this "deep magic" thing just a new name for the "keys" you spoke of before? 1 and 2? Are those "keys" going to be implemented in V3.3? I believe you said the first one is responsible for 80% of the resistance left and have worked out how to make it function and will implement it for V3.3. But the second you have not tested it but may still include it.

Just wanted your thoughts on that, and to make you aware of the beeping sound being something others have noticed over time. All the best!