Subliminal Talk

Hi Shannon

Can we combine BASE with sleeping aid? You said something among the lines that um or op is in the skeleton script in 5.5g, this means dmsi is helping with um or op? Thank you, i hope you are doing well

(09-20-2018, 12:17 PM)KingDavid93 Wrote: [ -> ]To add on to that- will the USLM update come right after 3.3 or will it be LTU or some other new program first?

I don't know yet. I'm in a situation right now where everything I try to do seems to be going wrong, and I'm not sure what the best move is. So I figured I would focus on DMSI since that will take a while.

(09-20-2018, 12:53 PM)Choice Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2018, 06:53 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]You are misunderstanding the situation. There is only one safety. It is used throughout the program to prevent the program from becoming dangerous to the user. The issue was that the safety was worded such that it could be interpreted that executing something that was considered dangerous simply because you had a fear of it, when it wasn't actually dangerous, was allowing people do do exactly that.

I changed it. Now the safety does what it was originally intended to do, it prevents executing the program itself from potentially damaging the user. It doesn't allow you to refuse to execute because the goals seem scary anymore.

Hey @Shannon,

In what cases for example would you say it becomes potentially damaging for the user, that the script stops executing?

In the case that the nervous system is overloaded. That is what we have the safeties in place for. And as you can see, the safeties do and always have worked quite well.

Quote:Also regarding script execution, I have a suspicion that ever since a married woman hitted on me (on v3.1) and I rejected her advances, execution became less & less frequent. Could it be the subconscious is using this as an escape route to avoid execution with the premise that "if I execute, married would go after me". Of course I can simply reject her, but the subconscious is not logical.

It is entirely possible that you are afraid of the consequences of even being hit on by a married woman, and this fear is giving your subconscious a "reason" to try to avoid execution. I have had my share of bad experiences concerning married women, so I understand that. But just being hit on by them is really no reason to worry, or resist execution. That is where the fear/irrationality comes out.

(09-21-2018, 05:15 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2018, 12:17 PM)KingDavid93 Wrote: [ -> ]To add on to that- will the USLM update come right after 3.3 or will it be LTU or some other new program first?

I don't know yet. I'm in a situation right now where everything I try to do seems to be going wrong, and I'm not sure what the best move is. So I figured I would focus on DMSI since that will take a while.

THis phase your going through sounds similar to the cycle you went through last year. I wonder if there is another cycle going on?

(09-20-2018, 12:57 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2018, 12:06 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-19-2018, 01:00 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2018, 12:06 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Please do us all a favor, Sarge. Don't reproduce until you outgrow this level of maturity. This is going to make for some seriously ***** up children, and we don't need more of those in this world.

Lol wow. F*ck you too. That's all I have to say to that.

On this one, I stepped over the line, and I apologize. As I said recently in my journal post, I am out of balance right now and when I am out of balance while dealing with grief, I tend to do and say things that are inappropriate, uncalibrated, and sometimes just stupid. This is one of those times. My apologies.

I appreciate that Shannon, thank you. I did not see your recent journal post. I'm sorry for your troubles. May I also say I admire your ability to keep things from spiraling out of control in this instance.

(09-20-2018, 12:06 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2018, 08:20 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2018, 06:33 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-19-2018, 01:00 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Agree with DarkXedonias.

I even remember people harping on me for getting sexual with that herpes girl and yet I'm STD free. Not condoning my actions, rather pointing out that if you're careful you will be fine.


As for the fear of "drama". Come on guys, who here is an alpha male? If you consider yourself one then grow a spine and deal with the women as an alpha would. Alphas don't need anti-snipers.

That's like saying "real men don't need safeties on their BFG 9000's!" But I'll tell you, a "real man" has the wisdom to choose his safety and health over "being a real man" to some other guy. Maybe if you find yourself wishing there had been an anti-sniper you'll understand some day.

Maybe, but I'd much rather learn to ride a bike than spend a lifetime on training wheels.

There's a big difference between a safety mechanism and "training wheels". Using the gun analogy again, there is a reason most guns have a manual safety. It prevents a negligent discharge. That has nothing to do with training.

I see. Well, I guess we'll have to see what you decide.

(09-20-2018, 12:06 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-19-2018, 06:45 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2018, 06:47 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-19-2018, 06:45 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]/\ This.

I know for a fact my subconscious (and my conscious, if I'm honest) uses that as a good reason to not execute. Who has time for women and their shit let's be honest. I know I sure don't. But a guy has to get laid, and have children someday (I do actually want children someday). So it comes with the territory.

Also, in terms of what Enki was saying "If only women were like..." he seems to be describing a GUY. GUYS are like that quite often, women are NOT it's just nature.

So Sarge, if you know and admit that you are consciously resisting... WHY USE THE DAMNED THING?!

Am I the only one using it despite knowing I resist? Singling me out again. Triggered Shannon is back ladies and gents.

This is a helpful response, Sarge. I'm asking you why you're using it if you know you are consciously resisting. Consciously resisting is a whole different ball game than subconsciously resisting. Why would you bother trying to use it if you know you are resisting at a conscious level? That's not something you can sweep under the carpet with "But it's my subconscious, and I don't know how to do anything about it!" Consciously resisting is just trying to fail, intentionally. At that point, logic dictates that you are wasting your time, and the question of why you are bothering becomes a valid and reasonable one.

I don't mean I'm consciously resisting in the way of getting up in the morning and saying "I will resist today", what I mean is, most women (99-100% of them) to me are too much trouble/headache to deal with. So I consciously choose to not get involved with most of them as soon as any resistance or shit tests are thrown around.

That is certainly not a helpful belief system.

Quote:I guess I'm hoping 1 of 2 things with DMSI:

1. It will be powerful enough to have the women I want keep that kind of behavior under wraps while with me

2. DMSI will help me embrace and learn to deal with it.

It is that specific behavior that is "unhappiness causing" (as well as a list of others) which is why I think the anti-sniper should be removed in THAT (read: "unhappiness causing") regard. As I've said repeatedly elsewhere for anyone just reading this argument: I do not oppose the AS for physical threats, prison, STD's, pregnancy, false rape charges, things of THAT nature. But being annoyed because girls don't use a male communication style? That IS unhappiness causing for ME (as an example, there are more I assure you), but it's not a valid reason for the AS imo. Hope that clears things up for everyone.

It is also why I believe I've done better with 3.2 because it doesn't have the AS and I've actually been trying to interact with more women even after they do shit that irks me (read: always).

Still, I recall you saying Shannon that DMSI is aimed at getting the girls we want to use male communication styles to get with us, which would be great. But I do think the AS is subject to abuse in that regard.

Perhaps it is. The subconscious certainly is adept at twisting things to suit its desires. I think 3.3 will be a big step forward for you and everyone else, even if I did include the AS module. At this point, I have to point out to you that the AS is designed to be very specific, and I think you are somewhat misunderstanding it.

Without giving away trade secrets, it sounds to me like you consciously believe the AS does X, when it actually does Y. It has a series of things that it specifies and then you subconsciously assess how much trouble would result from allowing her to be sniped. Then it reverses the sniper to that degree.

However, I currently am of the opinion that this is a potential area of abuse and escape for the subconscious, so as I said, unless the models direct me to include it, I am going to leave it out. We can worry about making it work in another version if that happens.

(09-20-2018, 06:17 PM)Darkness Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2018, 06:59 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2018, 06:53 AM)Darkness Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2018, 06:31 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-19-2018, 12:53 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: [ -> ]I have to agree here with Sarge, though I will be careful in the way I say this. This isn't meant as a flame (which obviously would break the rules) and I hope it isn't taken that way. I'm just going to point out a few things:

(1) I remember when it was announced that the AS wouldn't be in 3.2 and it seemed like some of the forums were upset saying this would be a bad decision. Well, 3.2 came out without the AS and nothing bad happened that I have recalled to the people who actually executed (I would include myself there when I went on my trip). If a woman started acting uppity I know for myself I would just break contact with her and move on to the next woman. Its not that hard to do. When you have the power in the relationship, higher value, and know you have an abundance of options its not that hard to leave someone really. As for STDs/HIV I think some here will remember that I gave a complete chard on the chances of condom breaking (Which you should be wearing one anyway) and you sleeping with someone who has STDs/HIV is very stupidly low and is the chance of them having a sexual disease is highly depended on how many sexual partners they have had in the past.

You can't know what the AS was or was not doing because we don't have sufficient execution to reveal that yet.

Quote:(2) My rational is in align with Catman's pretty much. Lets worry about actually having everyone execute first before we waste power on something we aren't even sure we even need. If Crazy women start becoming a problem (which I don't know why you can't deal with that in the first place) then we can consider using some power for that. As someone else mentioned I rather have the power spent on trying to get these other men not to get in physical fights with me and persuade them to become co-operative instead. That seems to be a bigger problem (which has been said in journals for quite a while now) then having to deal with crazy women and the low chances of encountering someone with a sexual disease. Did you know that the Prevalence rate of HIV/AIDs in the US, for example, is only .30% of the population. So chances of a condom breaking ( seen anywhere from 10-15%) and you having sex with a person from that group (only .30% of the population) is stupidly low. For Europe its mostly even lower.

The world is not the United States. AIDS is not the only dangerous STD.

Quote:(3) If It comes to a point where it becomes a problem I would like to add a nice suggestion , similar to what I suggested the last time this subject came up, why not have some kind of "Spider sense" as it were. Where the subconscious notices that there is something wrong with this woman and then communicates to your conscious that there is something wrong with this particular person. It could just be an intuitive feeling that something is wrong with the person for example. At that point the user has the option to proceed or reject the person at their leisure. Problem is solved without stepping on people's toes. Granted, I could see a issue with that suggest as well. What if the subconscious resists by giving false positives? Though that could be said of the AS being used by resistance (haven't experienced it myself but Catman could have it right on this point).

This works great, in theory., Then you have reality, where people do things like Sarge did, where they get horny, they stop thinking and they do things that they would not necessarily have done under rational thought. Most guys do that at least once in their lives, and it can result in some pretty nasty stuff. Sarge got very lucky. So Spidey Sense doesn't matter for shit if you're sufficiently hormonal and horny. That's why I didn't use that in the first place.

On the intuition tip, I disagree. On SM, when the intuition kicked in and said don’t trust her, I followed it and it was beforehand right on meeting her.

If so make the intuition senses so strong so loud that they can’t ever be ignored.

So the user is still universally massively attractive and has sharp instincts sexually.

So you assume that everyone thinks, perceives and responds the way you do, then. They don't. There are people out there as dumb and stubborn as granite boulders, and people smarter than I will ever have the hope to be and everything in between. I have to make it work for all of them. I have to consider all of them. And they don't all have the same balance of awareness of instincts, logic, common sense, education, or intelligence.

So you can't assume that just because it worked for you, or didn't, that it is the best overall choice.

I don’t understand your stance
It isn’t assumption in any regard . Considering a couple posts back you stated that the Anti sniper module was using the subconscious mind’s capability of knowing/sensing with accurate determination whether the person attracted to the user is good/bad news for the user.
So, an intuition/instinctive mechanism innate in all persons, why would it not work yet an energy costing, function contradictory, more complex option be more a viable over a more enhanced simpler one ?

I am not following you here. Not sure if this is because you are referencing a subject not grammatically specified, or because I'm just not firing on all pistons right now mentally. Can you put it a different way?

(09-20-2018, 10:37 PM)Greenduck Wrote: [ -> ]I saw you post about not being sure about what’s happening to you. Yesterday I though (without seeing that’s lost) that I liked how you were being more blunt and transparent with your opinions with others, previously being just diplomatic and purely logical (which personally I have understood, but though lacked your personal opinion in the case of the matter). Maybe not just negative changes?

The problem I face is that when I am going through this, I lose my ability to clearly see what is and is not appropriate. In cases like that, it is wise to be careful and choose the safer path. I don't really care to do things that will damage my business, and right now I can't tell what would or would not.

So until I know I am being appropriate and within the boundaries of reasonable, I will choose the safer path.

(09-21-2018, 01:08 AM)racktree Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon I understand that you are extremely busy and I apologize for the off topic question below . Feel free to ignore it. Just took the courtesy as you are the only expert I know that can reply with a reliable answer.

There are many subliminal software that are all about flashing affirmations every second on your screen for a duration of 0.02 secs so that you can see it but not read it. Are they worth it at all? If I use such a software for 30 affirmations, for 90 days and sit on my computer for like 5-6 hours per day will it result in programming the subconscious at all?

I did not specialize in visual subliminal messaging. I know it has an effect, if used properly, but I do not know what constitutes "used properly" and I don't know how well it would work.

I can guarantee you that it is 99.999999% likely that you don't know how to script it properly. I can also guarantee that you won't get as much benefit from doing that as you would from using a properly made audio subliminal. That is part of why I didn't specialize in video subliminals. They do not have the potential for giving you enough data input per second to even come close to what can be done in an audio subliminal, input even if you do script them properly.

Plus, the only video subliminals I created were done using audio and visual subliminal messaging. So I can't really answer you if it is "worth it at all" on the visual part. I'm sure it will have an impact, but is that impact sufficient? And did you script it properly?

I don't use subliminal flashers, and there are what I believe to be good reasons for that. Food for thought.

(09-21-2018, 03:44 AM)Username Wrote: [ -> ]So I've been off 3.2 since 10th of August. Lately I've been feeling lots of unexplainable tiredness... +lots of crazy dreams. So ether it runs past 35 days... Or how far is the new version? Tid? By the way I consider myself rather sensitive in this area... I see future dreams quite often, on subliminals or not.

The latest version of P6 gives a 35 day lead-in and fade-out on average.

(09-21-2018, 03:51 AM)worldpua Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Shannon

Can we combine BASE with sleeping aid? You said something among the lines that um or op is in the skeleton script in 5.5g, this means dmsi is helping with um or op? Thank you, i hope you are doing well

UM is in the skeleton script. It's aimed at the goals of the program.

Thank you for your well wishes.

(09-21-2018, 05:30 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2018, 12:57 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2018, 12:06 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-19-2018, 01:00 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2018, 12:06 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Please do us all a favor, Sarge. Don't reproduce until you outgrow this level of maturity. This is going to make for some seriously ***** up children, and we don't need more of those in this world.

Lol wow. F*ck you too. That's all I have to say to that.

On this one, I stepped over the line, and I apologize. As I said recently in my journal post, I am out of balance right now and when I am out of balance while dealing with grief, I tend to do and say things that are inappropriate, uncalibrated, and sometimes just stupid. This is one of those times. My apologies.

I appreciate that Shannon, thank you. I did not see your recent journal post. I'm sorry for your troubles. May I also say I admire your ability to keep things from spiraling out of control in this instance.

(09-20-2018, 12:06 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2018, 08:20 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2018, 06:33 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]That's like saying "real men don't need safeties on their BFG 9000's!" But I'll tell you, a "real man" has the wisdom to choose his safety and health over "being a real man" to some other guy. Maybe if you find yourself wishing there had been an anti-sniper you'll understand some day.

Maybe, but I'd much rather learn to ride a bike than spend a lifetime on training wheels.

There's a big difference between a safety mechanism and "training wheels". Using the gun analogy again, there is a reason most guns have a manual safety. It prevents a negligent discharge. That has nothing to do with training.

I see. Well, I guess we'll have to see what you decide.

(09-20-2018, 12:06 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-19-2018, 06:45 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2018, 06:47 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]So Sarge, if you know and admit that you are consciously resisting... WHY USE THE DAMNED THING?!

Am I the only one using it despite knowing I resist? Singling me out again. Triggered Shannon is back ladies and gents.

This is a helpful response, Sarge. I'm asking you why you're using it if you know you are consciously resisting. Consciously resisting is a whole different ball game than subconsciously resisting. Why would you bother trying to use it if you know you are resisting at a conscious level? That's not something you can sweep under the carpet with "But it's my subconscious, and I don't know how to do anything about it!" Consciously resisting is just trying to fail, intentionally. At that point, logic dictates that you are wasting your time, and the question of why you are bothering becomes a valid and reasonable one.

I don't mean I'm consciously resisting in the way of getting up in the morning and saying "I will resist today", what I mean is, most women (99-100% of them) to me are too much trouble/headache to deal with. So I consciously choose to not get involved with most of them as soon as any resistance or shit tests are thrown around.

That is certainly not a helpful belief system.

Which? That I'm resisting because women are killjoys or are you saying women being killjoys is a belief? I can assure you it's not. I've not come across a woman yet who wasn't weird in a way that didn't kill my mood in some regard.

(09-21-2018, 05:30 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:I guess I'm hoping 1 of 2 things with DMSI:

1. It will be powerful enough to have the women I want keep that kind of behavior under wraps while with me

2. DMSI will help me embrace and learn to deal with it.

It is that specific behavior that is "unhappiness causing" (as well as a list of others) which is why I think the anti-sniper should be removed in THAT (read: "unhappiness causing") regard. As I've said repeatedly elsewhere for anyone just reading this argument: I do not oppose the AS for physical threats, prison, STD's, pregnancy, false rape charges, things of THAT nature. But being annoyed because girls don't use a male communication style? That IS unhappiness causing for ME (as an example, there are more I assure you), but it's not a valid reason for the AS imo. Hope that clears things up for everyone.

It is also why I believe I've done better with 3.2 because it doesn't have the AS and I've actually been trying to interact with more women even after they do shit that irks me (read: always).

Still, I recall you saying Shannon that DMSI is aimed at getting the girls we want to use male communication styles to get with us, which would be great. But I do think the AS is subject to abuse in that regard.

Perhaps it is. The subconscious certainly is adept at twisting things to suit its desires. I think 3.3 will be a big step forward for you and everyone else, even if I did include the AS module. At this point, I have to point out to you that the AS is designed to be very specific, and I think you are somewhat misunderstanding it.

Without giving away trade secrets, it sounds to me like you consciously believe the AS does X, when it actually does Y. It has a series of things that it specifies and then you subconsciously assess how much trouble would result from allowing her to be sniped. Then it reverses the sniper to that degree.

However, I currently am of the opinion that this is a potential area of abuse and escape for the subconscious, so as I said, unless the models direct me to include it, I am going to leave it out. We can worry about making it work in another version if that happens.

Glad to hear that as I agree. Hopefully the models do as well.

It seems each time Shannon wants or about to start DMSI, things get so ugly for him.

All this talk about the AS reminds me that the product's description is that they will try to have as much sex with you as much as YOU will allow them to. I've read comments where people say that they get the sex, but the woman wasn't interested in continuing to have sex, so she doesn't continue to initiate it. Has anyone here actually attracted crazy or dangerous women while being on dmsi? If you attracted that kind of person, did it get to the point that she caused you harm?

(09-20-2018, 03:56 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-20-2018, 03:36 AM)Fluffy Wrote: [ -> ]In my opinion, you only attract "fearful" situations when you are putting out fearful vibes. In other words if you are coming from a happy, healthy, positive place dominantly you wont actually attract these bad feeling situations to begin with.

You are what you put out. If you do attract these kinds of women that are not so good feeling then there must be something about you that is attracting them in the first place. Fear would do it, but also worrying about these things consistently or remembering past events and pushing against it happening again. It could also be not necessarily related to women but just a similar unwanted, negative bad feelings that bring more of that shit to you.

I think it is much more healthy and powerful to take responsibility for whatever you attract to you, as something that you have going on inside yourself.

Like attracts like, birds of a feather flock together.

As long as you know what you are putting out, you wont have to worry about attracting crazy chicks and what not because you wont even be a match anyway.

Crazy chicks that would cry rape and all this negative BS are on a much lower vibrational wave length and you would only attract that situation, if you was a match to that.

Externally nothing happens randomly, it all comes from within you.

There is nothing to fear, when you understand that the outside is a reflection of your inside. As you hold the power, as you are aware of what you have going on and you can change it as you are in control of yourself. Instead of thinking you are out of control and these random situations can happen at anytime and it has nothing to do with you and you are worried about it happening.

Your vibe attracts your tribe.

For the sake of the subliminal, yes I agree, lets see what it can do first without adding more limiters.

This as well. In sales I call it “indulging the customer”. Whatever you allow will happen. My cousin once told me of a customer whose door he had knocked on that took a long time to close because the guy was a talker. I was working for a separate company at the time so we gave each other tips on where to knock. Anyhow, he told me I might want to skip it because the guy wasted a lot of time.
Well when I went there I had a strong “don’t waste my time” vibe and signed the dude up without any small talk. I simply wasn’t going to allow it. Same customer, 2 completely different results.

Also, having knocked on hundreds of doors and getting better with people I can honestly say you absolutely can change the reactions you get from people as I’ve gotten better ones over time since when I first started.

So yes, take responsibility and don’t live in fear. True.

I have had the exact same results when teaching kids, whether they were 7 or 17. In my first months, I moaned to myself, feeling like a victim of whatever mood was dominant in each class (I was a substitute teacher, so I'd change classes each day). 2 years in, being tired of allowing them all the control (my thinking), I began to experiment with different approaches, introductions, and even personas. It was surprising, to say the least.

If I came in without deception, it encouraged the same attitudes from them.
If I came in happy, they would find reasons quickly to join me.
If I wanted to be solitary (even though I was with them), they picked it up and would respond in like.
If I was grumpy, they'd pick it up and begin little dramas with each other.

They'd often just mirror me directly. It was amazing, as it clearly gave me back control over the entire class. People will respond/react to whatever is introduced to them. And I saw that whatever mood I brought in was the standard for them.

So, what Sarge said is true. Whatever I bring into the relationship, they often mirror.

I'm seeing the exact same thing in my work relationships presently. Going in tomorrow, I'm now thinking "what would I like to create?" Hmmm. Even grumpy bosses, like mine, will adjust themselves when a person in a good mood walks in.

It gives back all the power, all the control. Waiters, customer service people, salesmen can all do this. That's what Sarge has found in his sales travels.