Subliminal Talk

I cant wait for LM/US

To All

I wanted to ask if anyone that is listening to (multiple) 7 loops of 3.2 witnessed at the start an increase in masturbation or behaviour that was being controlled with 1 loop?

thanks

(07-15-2018, 02:27 AM)Nox Wrote: [ -> ]"Just stop AFTER I post my opinion"

Well, if I have something intelligent to add to a discussion I will. I don't care if I have the last word or not.

But what Thor wrote was too big to remain unanswered.

You know picking few negative traits from few individuals and attributing them to some group is or very similar to racism...

(07-10-2018, 07:11 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-09-2018, 08:58 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-09-2018, 04:59 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-09-2018, 04:45 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:I shall try harder in the future to resist my urge to help, Sarge. It never works.

I'm amazed you lasted this long. I gave up ages ago because every time it ends up just how it did.

This isn’t about “help”.

I’ve gotten some real results from using pua and just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t make the results any less real.

I find it interesting that if we don’t get results you say we need to take responsibility, but if we actually do take responsibility and use something like pua to get results, suddenly it’s “oh it could be anything”. Where I know for a fact if I hadn’t had mentioned pua, it would all be DMSI praise.

I had been trying to hold my tongue, but after this, I'm too tired of your shit to hold my tongue anymore. You make me think you are a moron sometimes.

It was about help. I was trying to point out to you a logical fallacy you were committing YET AGAIN, which is the belief that correlation equals causation. I wasn't disagreeing that you might have gotten those results from PUA. I was simply pointing out that X following Y does not mean that X was caused by Y, because you love to simplify things to black or white, when the world is not black and white. And when you do this, which is constantly, you inevitably come to some seriously ***** up and wrong conclusions.

That may be true. But consider my perspective: If I can't/don't know what is contributing to my success, how can I get better?


I agree that being wrong about what is contributing to my success is just as bad, but then what is there left to do?

(07-09-2018, 08:58 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Here's a little tidbit for you to ponder. DMSI includes the Optimus Engine, which is a polymorphic script designed to get your subconscious to use what it knows and understands to achieve the goal. So it is, in fact, entirely possible (and probable, actually, now that I think about it) that all of your "success with PUA" came from the OE in DMSI being executed. You understand PUA, so that's the vector that would have been used. Just like DathXedonias traveled to another country to find a culture that would allow him to execute DMSI.

Now whether or not that was the case with you, I can't know for sure, but I certainly could still claim credit for your "successes" based on that if I wanted to. If it was all about DMSI praise, you would have seen me do that already. But I haven't. So much for your little theory.

Yes, I've thought about that. If that is what DMSI is doing then that's great. It's one of the reasons I still run it. I know it's doing something, but I don't know what.

(07-09-2018, 08:58 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]You have such poor logic skills and comprehension of what logic actually is that it is a wonder that even DMSI has been able to do anything at all with you.

I can't help that.

That's a likely cop-out. You can go study logic. Not too many people out there whose brains are wired to be literally unable to comprehend logic. You might be one of them; but you can still go study logic and try.

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(07-09-2018, 08:58 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I suggest you stop here and now. Instead of being arrogant and snarky, you might want to be appreciative instead. Regardless of what got you results, I have made how many versions of this damned program in a row with only getting paid once per person for it? And because I made you guys a promise. Who else would have done that? Nobody. Anyone else would have just scrapped the project and moved on, regardless of what you guys thought or wanted, promise or not. So whether or not you got results, you should still be appreciating, because this is more than a year of my blood sweat and tears into this program trying to help guys like you.

I do appreciate what you've done. I've praised you and DMSI more times as the programs have gotten better and I do know it must be exhausting, frustrating, and annoying to keep doing this thing. I know I, personally, feel the same way when I'm doing pick up and I think I *finally* have the answer to a problem, test it in field, and then the women throw another curve ball at me. It feels like they don't WANT me and that hurts. I imagine it must be the same for you. Like you feel we don't want to actually succeed. But that's not true. I do want to succeed and I'm grateful for the experiences DMSI has given me thusfar (like that 8.5. Seriously, showed me what is possible as she was 100% manifested and she seduced me but I guess I f*cked it up somehow).


So yeah, don't get me wrong.

Women are by and large primarily emotional in their thinking, and that makes them irrational in their choices and actions in general. Of course this is a massive generalization, and does not always hold true on the individual level, as we are all a collection of points on a series of spectrums. I have met some consummately logical women, and some incredibly irrational men. Nothing I say here is intended to be degrading of women or sexist. But when you consider this fact that women tend to be more emotive in their thinking and cognition, and it makes them less reliant on logic to find their way, as men are, you can understand why women seem to be a mystery to men, since logic and emotion are mutually exclusive states of awareness. To make things worse, as I said before, everyone is a collection of points on multiple spectrums, so many people who are irrational may believe themselves to be rational, and some part of them may in fact be, at the same time they are predimonantly irrational. Irrational = difficult to predict at best. Therefore, women will often seem to be throwing curve balls at men until and unless you understand the underlying primal- and meta-logic they run on. And in some cases, even understanding that will fail.

Quote:My outburst was definitely fueled by losing my FWB and not having any women in the pipeline. I didn't mean to be ungrateful, but some truths had to be said, especially with all the PUA bashing going around.

My point of view is one based on having only "studied" PUA for a relatively short time. I found some of it useful, and a lot of it was, for me, a waste of time. I have developed ways to do things that are, for me, superior in results. Some of what I read was very eye opening as to the underlying psychology of the female of the species, and therefore very useful, although not (for me) as a direct application to PUA. I am not current on PUA techniques, and my opinion of them is based on my understanding of what I have been exposed to, which is admittedly not current, as well as why people get into PUA and what the goal of PUA is, in addition to what PUA is doing to the whole of society.

If you find it useful, use it. If you think it's the prime mover for you, then that's what you think it is. My goal with DMSI is not to prevent you from using PUA or "hunting" but in making it unnecessary, and the mindset that PUA teaches is based on the assumption that "man must hunt", when that is not true for all men. As common sense dictates, a woman will hunt you to whatever degree she perceives you to have sufficient value to motivate her to do so. That PUA teaches that you MUST hunt, defeats the ability to achieve the proper mindset and frame of reference for achieving the state that DMSI is aiming to achieve. It directly conflicts. It is working against DMSI, and THAT is the beef I have with PUA in this case.

Quote:If someone were to bash DMSI to my face, I'd probably res[pond the same way because it has helped. In fact, I've been in contact with a member on another forum who used to be here but was banned.

I don't know why he was banned. But he was talking about DMSI and how it wasn't good.

I told him about my experiences and he's back using it again BECAUSE OF ME!

I appreciate that.

Quote:I don't hate DMSI, or you Shannon, but I have a strong conviction to the truth and can't abide when people distort what I see as correct for what I see as their own agenda.

That means I'm not the most popular guy I get that, but to me it's about progress not popularity (though I would like to be popular too So, if I knew a way to be more tactful I'd do it).

I have no ill will toward you at all. The only issue I have with you is that we do not have a way to fluidly exchange understanding. I cannot show you what I know and help you understand it, and that understandably frustrates me. At the time of the OP, I was also verging on burnout from building the custom. Even now I am only just beginning to feel like I am getting rested.

Quote:Anyhow, sorry if there were hard feelings but I have to speak my truth. That will never change. All I can do is try to learn how to be more tactful and speak the truth without hurting people.

No hard feelings. I admire your convictions to speak your truth. But please remember that your truth may not be THE truth, it is your understanding of "the truth" based on your thinking style, and what I keep trying to show you is how you are getting away from the truth by thinking in ways that lead you to arrive at destination points that are further from it, and thus, defeat you or at least delay you in your efforts.

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(07-09-2018, 08:58 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I am done trying to help you, Sarge. You're not even capable of comprehending when I am trying to help you, never mind appreciate shit. And if you keep going with being snarky and arrogant, I'm going to decide I have finally had enough. If you want to say PUA did it, then stop using DMSI and go do your PUA thing. I don't care what did it for you at this point. I am just tired of your snarky attitude.

Seriously, I have no idea what the hell you're even using DMSI for anymore. Especially if you think PUA is what's doing it for you. Go play with your damned PUA and see what it gets you when DMSI has worn off.

It's like I said, I know DMSI is doing something, that's why I keep using it.

Sorry for my snarkiness. I was upset.

I appreciate that as well. I apologize for my snarkiness in responding. I was also upset.

Now, let's get back to getting you success.

(07-10-2018, 02:13 PM)josh84 Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Shannon, i am listening to 7 loops of 3.2b masked trickling stream, i have a set playlist of wmp of 7 loops so i dont listen to any more loops than that number each night. One thing i notice when listening and i assume its not bad speakers but the subliminal messages behind the trickling stream is listening in bed when everything else is quiet you can hear the trickling stream but also can hear what sounds like crackling noise. I have checked the speakers on other audio sounds and it comes through clear so its not the speakers so im assuming its the messages behind the trickling stream that is making those noises?

Just wanted to check if thats normal with the masked version.

Might try ocean surf tonight to see if it can also be heard.

Thanks.

Crackling from the speaker distortion is caused only from the ultrasonic track being played at too high a volume on speakers that cannot handle it. Masked only tracks cannot cause speaker distortion.

I can think of no reason why you should be hearing crackling unless your speaker plug is not fully plugged in to the jack, and moving it around is causing some static. Is the crackling always in the same place? If so, what time is it in the audio?

(07-10-2018, 04:00 PM)kalmah0804 Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Shannon--I've been taking a bit of a break from the forums, so I apologize if this question has already been answered, but I figured it's worth a shot asking, because I think at least someone needs to report this type of stuff:

I'm wondering if it's possible to resist or self-sabotage a script so much that you in fact execute and manifest the polar opposite of what you're trying to attract. When I was on DMSI3.01A, I noticed, albeit slowly, beautiful women manifesting themselves for me, and grew to a place of extreme happiness. Friends and coworkers were all treating me a lot more nicely, and also with a lot more respect. When I began DMSI 3.1A, I quickly experienced high-threat regular (generally daily) anxiety and panic attacks... the dream job and opportunity I had manifested as part of my growth on DMSI 3.01A turned into an absolute nightmare--a quintissential hollywood horror story--my best friend, and the only person I've felt really close with since my Dad died, had to move out of the city I was living in because he suffered his own personal tragedy (which I admittedly don't think had anything to do with DMSI), and I eventually suffered a series of mental breakdowns and anxiety attacks which led me to impulsively quit my job and move across the country back home on a total whim, since which I have never fully recovered.

I recently moved back to Southern California to pursue my dreams when DMSI 3.2 was released. I started with the B side and immediately noticed all of my old anxieties, insecurities, fears and paranoid emotions all returning at once. Since running DMSI 3.2 A on and off now for the past several months, I have been sexually assaulted by an old, disgusting gay man, sexually violated/harrassed by a disgusting elderly african american woman who was disorderly and drunk, and I have been physically attacked by an enraged taxi driver who grew upset with my friend/co-rider and eventually turned all of his physical aggression on me (For no apparent reason at all), got out of his cab, chased me onto my property and began to push me down and punch me before I was dragged away and into my home by my friends. I have seen about 3 sure-thing guaranteed job offers for me come onto the table, only to somehow get pulled away from me for no clear-cut reason ever identified. The only commonality in all of these instances is that I had been actively listening to DMSI 3.2, either A side or B side, the current day or the evening/day beforehand.

Just yesterday, after re-starting DMSI 3.2-A for about 4 days, our neighbor's schizophrenic bipolar son apparently returned into their custody. He's 450lbs, completely delusional and insane, and is obsessed with coming to our house and asking if I'm around. He's tried to gain entry into our house several times, and the family is not taking any responsibiltiy for his behavior. He's threatened my roommate because he thought he was smiling (my roommates and I are all very scared of this person and were not smiling). I legitimately fear for my safety, and the only logical connection I can make between all of the terrifying events I have lived through in the past 6 months is that I have always been running DMSI during these times.

I understand that this is a seriously loaded question, but I want to make clear that I realize that I'm trying this sub at my own risk, and that if my subconscious is indeed self-sabotaging or resisting by manifesting only insanity, danger, and violence into my life when all I want more than anything right now is financial, professional, mental and emotional security, I can stop the sub at any time and have always noticed these manifestations resolve themselves/go away after a day or two.

I don't know if what I'm suggesting is even possible--but since you've been getting (mostly) positive feedback, or at least strong growth and results, from almost everyone on this forum, I wanted to see if anyone else had experienced strong symptoms of manifesting things/people you are subconsciously/consciously afraid of in the early stages of running DMSI3.2, or if such a thing (the counter-manifestations of the script) is even theoretically possible.

What you describe is going to be one of the following things.

1. There is no connection, and correlation does not equal causation.
2. Your subconscious is afraid of this goal set and is doing what we call "scorched earth resistance tactics". This appears to be one of the most extreme forms of resistance possible, and so much so that we only just discovered it several months ago. It's also a very very rare form of resistance.

If it is #1, then stop or go, it won't matter. If it is #2, then you will always have this reaction unless:

A) You stop using the program, the perceived "threat" goes away and your subconscious stops doing this.
B) You find the right combination of loops to volume and format, and break through it.

From what I have seen, you are not really a good candidate for using subliminals in general because of the healing you appear to need. But if you're going to do it anyway, I suggest you stop using anything for a while (1-3 months) and see if the strangeness continues. If after that it is still happening, then it probably indicates no correlation. Otherwise, if it stops, it probably indicates the resistance tactic.

(07-10-2018, 11:14 PM)samba99 Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon,

Since you going to have a break soon.

Do you think you can make your book (tarot) one on Amazon to be available in kindle/ebook?

I think you will benefit alot from this also it will be easier for us to order internationally.
Many of us can't order because of international shipping hassle

This is not an appropriate place to be discussing this. Please post this sort of thing in the appropriate place in the future.

It is currently not very likely to happen on Kindle because of the complexity of the graphics.

(07-11-2018, 01:00 AM)thor2014 Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon does DMSI actually move sexual energy from the testicals to the eyes I can feel it when i gaze into a womans eyes who i really like.

DMSI gives you a set of instructions. You do what is necessary to execute or resist those instructions.

(07-11-2018, 02:06 PM)Williamx25 Wrote: [ -> ]I just screwed up my ASRB-Break on 5.5G DMSI 3.2A....

I listened for eight days straight this week instead of seven days... Should I just take tomorrow one day off and continue as normal???

How much will this mistake influence me??

Yes, take the next day off and continue. It will throw off the benefit of the ASRB2 but still be better than not using an ASRB2.

(07-11-2018, 02:14 PM)Williamx25 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-09-2018, 12:03 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-09-2018, 07:20 AM)Lowe Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Shannon,

For someone who has not seen much results from MLS 5.5G and DMSI so far, will the upcoming US/LM (or any others in the near future) be able to overcome resistance?

I feel stuck in one place with subliminals for a long time now. For me I sometimes see small things that tells me my mind is listening to the subliminals, but they are not really good results.

For example with DMSI when I take a break from listening for a week or so I notice I bump into people I know more often. But nothing more than that.

Thanks.

I can't say for sure what they will do for you. I know that we are steadily increasing how well the programs work on resistant behavior. But if and when any particular person will start executing significantly, I cannot know.

How do I consciously know what the instructions are? Or is it something that I will execute subconsciously?

You don't consciously know what the instructions are. They will be executed entirely at the subconscious level.

Quote:What do you exactly mean with those instructions? Adjusting body language/ voice tone / eye contact ? Becoming a more attractive man through body language? Or is it the programming that goes right into my subconscious mind?

I'm not sure what instructions you are referring to. The script? The program instructions? Something I mentioned?

Quote:If approaching girls isn’t executing the instructions, or talking to them, what is it then? Just curious

DMSI is designed to make you so sexually attractive that you don't have to approach. It doesn't stop you, but why would it be executing the instructions to approach if the goal is to simply be so attractive that that is not necessary in the first place?

Executing the instructions is just that. Those instructions are not public, so you won't know consciously what they are. When you start executing them, however, you should see a drastic change, like Thor did.

What you describe sounds like stonewalling.

(07-11-2018, 04:03 PM)dissonance Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Shannon, what do the sexual performance modules in 3.2 do exactly? What aspects do they touch upon/work on?

They improve your sexual performances each time you have sex, so that it's not a binary situation, and you can improve at your own non-threatening pace. They are polymorphic, so whatever you need to adjust to achieve your best sexual performance, that is what you'll improve.

(07-12-2018, 07:23 AM)Theron Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon
Not sure if this has already been requested. before you create AM7, could you also create a Wealth sub so we can get into the affordability zone before AM7 is released.

That is a possibility.

(07-12-2018, 01:26 PM)Have at ye Wrote: [ -> ]My vote would go to US/LM, as I've used this 4g combo in the past with success. I'm really excited at the prospect what this would bring about with the addition of 5.5/almost-6g tech.

Also LM itself is making me all kinds of giddy. Never underestimate the power of probability manipulation!

I guess Shannon's going to use his models to see which would perform better/sell better and then go with that option, though. Or perhaps both, who knows.

I was going to start working on US/LM today, but several pages of this thread to read and respond to used up my time.

(07-12-2018, 10:50 PM)thor2014 Wrote: [ -> ]Guys,

It is hard to get a black and white answer. I had sex three times this week which theoretically means I depleted my sexual energy. Since sexual energy fuels the aura does this mean I have reduced the intensity of my aura ?. Shannon\Ben would be keen to hear what you have to say ?

Ben apologises for the ramblings on this thread I just felt so strongly about a particular topic I felt I just had to voice my opinions.

The aura is not powered by sexual energy. It is powered by a wide variety of sources, including sexual energy, food, sunlight and others. Having sex frequently is a natural consequence of executing, so sexual energy is not designed to be the primary energy source. However, whenever it is available, it will be used to whatever degree achieves the goals.