Subliminal Talk

(09-27-2018, 05:08 AM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]Why don't you guys start a discussion thread in the product discussion section? That way Shannon doesn't have to comb back through this thread, and instead can just go to the LTU 5.5G thread when the time comes for him to read all of your ideas.

Good idea but we may already be too far gone here lol.

Shannon I had a question about a scary experience with AM6 Stage 3 but I assume you don't read everyone journal. Can you private message so that I can ask in private, even though I wrote in my journal. Thank You

(09-27-2018, 10:49 AM)jesseb Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon I had a question about a scary experience with AM6 Stage 3 but I assume you don't read everyone journal. Can you private message so that I can ask in private, even though I wrote in my journal. Thank You

Shannon doesn't private message, and PM'ing Shannon is disabled.

(09-27-2018, 10:49 AM)jesseb Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon I had a question about a scary experience with AM6 Stage 3 but I assume you don't read everyone journal. Can you private message so that I can ask in private, even though I wrote in my journal. Thank You

I have read it. I agree that this is strange. It feels a little bit like what you see in the fight club movie with Brad Pit...

@Shannon I have a question too about AM6 program. I'm toward the end of stage 2 and I have been feeling sad, a little bit unmotivated and I sleep more than usual for many days now. I have never suffered from a depression but if someone would ask me how I think a depression feels like, I would say that what I am feeling now could pretty much be it....

Is feeling that way could be a potential effect of the program when it is stirring stuff in my mind to accomplish its goal?

Or this is completely not possible and I need find an explanation elsewhere?

(09-24-2018, 04:24 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2018, 02:36 AM)Nox Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-23-2018, 09:55 PM)Ricardo Wrote: [ -> ][quote='Shannon' pid='206245' dateline='1537723243']
[quote='Ricardo' pid='206218' dateline='1537694156']

This presupposes that there is only a yes or no variable to the sub. As there are many things happening with this sub and the fact that you are cutting this down to bare bones yes or no logic, as well as the passive aggressive insult, means that I'm pretty sure you're having a go.

Exactly Ricardo... you aren't even here for ages, and you come on and contribute nothing other than to come and try to have a go, just like the last few times.

Then you're called out in it and disappear.

I'm still here and I still stand by my assertions. I'm only trying to add perspective to the issue. The way any criticism is met with such hostility , especially from Shannon does rather prove my points I'm afraid.

(09-27-2018, 05:14 AM)DavisMind91 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-26-2018, 09:27 PM)MasterEnki Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-26-2018, 08:52 PM)DavisMind91 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-26-2018, 08:13 PM)MasterEnki Wrote: [ -> ]I reckon the new LTU should focus on emotional wellbeing, positive thinking, uplifting mindset(s) and the like. Such as E2, PTPA, USLM, Overcome Procrastination, Happiness and Joy, Gratitude, old LTU, etc. (pretty certain Shannon is already planning on adding all these).

The stuff that Shannon mentioned seems like an awesome program.

If you add anything else, it should be about emotional well-being, such as Attract Positive Energy, or Auric Shielding from bad vibes. Maybe some new enhanced emotional healing modules. Also, Everything is Possible could be good to add.


Other things are kinda ‘bloaty’ though.

Stuff about diet and supplements = bloat.
Exercise routine improvement = bloat.
Financial = bloat.
Stop swearing = bloat.
Mental = maybe add just 1 or 2 basic lines in the script about this. But this is still bloat.
Social = (old LTU already covers this).

So...you do realize the title of the subliminal is life tune up right?...Since when are areas like mental, financial, and physical health been considered “bloat”?...when in fact these things, rather poorly or excellently handled are still factors that make up the sum total of a person’s life?

What you’re recommending the new LTU focus on are the same areas the old one does, just with new modules, minus of course the USLM and E2. The current LTU already assists with emotional well-being in many ways, it just doesn’t seem geared towards emotional healing, at least not in the way that E2 does. Instead it focuses on things like instilling a winner’s mindset, over coming guilt, shame, and fear, increasing self confidence, and even improving one’s health, etc.

I feel making the most effective sub geared towards improving one’s life will do more than just generally motivate them and make them feel good. It should also urge them to get off their ass and focus on taking action steps to improve literally all areas of their life in more specific and focused ways. Ultimately rather a person does anything action-oriented is still up to them but we have plenty subs in the shop already that can help a person simply feel better. Those subs have their place and are important, but it appears to me when you’re talking about LTU you’re talking about a sub that’s meant to assist with a total life overhaul from the inside out.

Bloat = something that should be added last, once everything else is added.

You some good suggestions. If everything else fits well first, then your ideas could be okay.

Old LTU already covers something like living a healthy lifestyle. Improving health should motivate one to exercise and have a healthy diet, etc.

Something like ‘Improve Exercise Routine’ seems like it is beyond the scope of LTU, and is something that probably should NOT be in LTU.

There are plenty of decent sites about improving / designing exercise routines. Things like Testosterone Nation and Bodybuilding.com (haven’t accessed them for years) were good last time I accessed them.

Same with financial advice. The basics are obvious:
- Pay bills first
- Have hobbies that are free (running, swimming, bird watching, bush walking, going to the beach, meditation, etc).
- Avoid gambling / wasting money
- Avoid credit / credit cards

I think OP/UM will motivate people (Shannon plans to put them in).

Good emotional well-being should naturally lead to making good / smart decisions in all areas of life.

Your suggestions about ‘social’ are good. I think old LTU already covers that.

Stop Swearing (someone else suggested it) is the most bloat suggestion IMO.

Hopefully Shannon sees your suggestions and my suggestions, and considers them, and makes the best decision for making the best LTU 5.5g he can.

My ideas are excellent, and I feel should be taken into consideration, not just added in as fluff or "bloat". Besides at this point, I'm sure Shannon is beyond just throwing stuff into a sub just to have it there. He works like a sniper when it comes to making subliminal and aspires to hit his mark once a program is released which is a part of the reason he wants feedback from the users in the first place.

I already mentioned in response to another post why I mentioned implanting a suggestion as specific as improving an exercise routine for physical health, but you also neglected to mention in your response, that I also made a suggestion for the new LTU to guide a person to create one in the first place, which is not beyond the scope of an LTU subliminal. I'm confident an element of exercise enjoyment and motivation can be added and be effective.

I'm in agreement with you that there's plenty of information about how to do things like build a diet/exercise program, as well as financial tips; but guess what, there are articles all over the web on how to improve any area of life. So operating from that logic, what's the use in creating a new LTU in the first place if people just want to search the web for tips all day?


"Good emotional well-being should naturally lead to making good / smart decisions in all areas of life." - I disagree with that statement. A drug addict or alcoholic for example can get high or drunk all day and feel good, but be blind to the fact they're destroying their lives inside out. It takes more than feeling on top of the world to implement smart and good decisions in one's life. It takes choices and consistent execution.


Just like everyone else, I do feel that a stop swearing portion is unnecessary, perhaps better as a standalone subliminal altogether since choosing to stop saying certain words doesn't inherently improves one's life, even if it just helps them feel better about themselves.

I also agree that features like auric shielding and attract positive energy would make good additions if they can work synergistically with the rest of the program.

TBH, I’m kinda biased.

I am pretty fit / ripped. I am already obsessed with gym training. I already have a healthy diet. I also go running every second day (3 - 4 times a week). I do a bit of swimming when weather / circumstances allow for it.

And financially, I’m barely just making ends meet. But I’m staying out of debt. I pay my bills / rent first, and buy my groceries / supplements, and then I’m broke.

I don’t drink, nor do I go out to any social venues, since I can’t afford either. I spend my weekends reading, watching TV, meditating, walking to the beach (I live on the coast) and so on.

I also own my own weights and bench, a doorway pull-up bar and some paralettes. So my gym training is free (apart from what I paid years ago when I bought the gym equipment).

I also avoid alcohol to maintain maximum fitness / gym results.


The ideal LTU for me would not have those things in it.

But, I know a lot of people are lazy and don’t exercise, eat junk food nonstop, binge drink, etc. So I can see that your suggestions are useful to a lot of potential LTU users.


Also, someone with good emotional well-being would likely avoid drugs / alcohol, since they naturally experience the highs while sober / straight. Someone with good emotional well-being can easily handle the lows while sober / straight.

The typical addict lacks emotional well-being, or is emotionally damaged. The typical addict binge drinks / takes drugs to mask and ignore the emotional lows / pains (and they crave the highs, that they lack naturally).

LTU 5.5g should be good whatever Shannon decides, since he likes to aim for high standards in his work.

(09-27-2018, 02:21 PM)MasterEnki Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-27-2018, 05:14 AM)DavisMind91 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-26-2018, 09:27 PM)MasterEnki Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-26-2018, 08:52 PM)DavisMind91 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-26-2018, 08:13 PM)MasterEnki Wrote: [ -> ]I reckon the new LTU should focus on emotional wellbeing, positive thinking, uplifting mindset(s) and the like. Such as E2, PTPA, USLM, Overcome Procrastination, Happiness and Joy, Gratitude, old LTU, etc. (pretty certain Shannon is already planning on adding all these).

The stuff that Shannon mentioned seems like an awesome program.

If you add anything else, it should be about emotional well-being, such as Attract Positive Energy, or Auric Shielding from bad vibes. Maybe some new enhanced emotional healing modules. Also, Everything is Possible could be good to add.


Other things are kinda ‘bloaty’ though.

Stuff about diet and supplements = bloat.
Exercise routine improvement = bloat.
Financial = bloat.
Stop swearing = bloat.
Mental = maybe add just 1 or 2 basic lines in the script about this. But this is still bloat.
Social = (old LTU already covers this).

So...you do realize the title of the subliminal is life tune up right?...Since when are areas like mental, financial, and physical health been considered “bloat”?...when in fact these things, rather poorly or excellently handled are still factors that make up the sum total of a person’s life?

What you’re recommending the new LTU focus on are the same areas the old one does, just with new modules, minus of course the USLM and E2. The current LTU already assists with emotional well-being in many ways, it just doesn’t seem geared towards emotional healing, at least not in the way that E2 does. Instead it focuses on things like instilling a winner’s mindset, over coming guilt, shame, and fear, increasing self confidence, and even improving one’s health, etc.

I feel making the most effective sub geared towards improving one’s life will do more than just generally motivate them and make them feel good. It should also urge them to get off their ass and focus on taking action steps to improve literally all areas of their life in more specific and focused ways. Ultimately rather a person does anything action-oriented is still up to them but we have plenty subs in the shop already that can help a person simply feel better. Those subs have their place and are important, but it appears to me when you’re talking about LTU you’re talking about a sub that’s meant to assist with a total life overhaul from the inside out.

Bloat = something that should be added last, once everything else is added.

You some good suggestions. If everything else fits well first, then your ideas could be okay.

Old LTU already covers something like living a healthy lifestyle. Improving health should motivate one to exercise and have a healthy diet, etc.

Something like ‘Improve Exercise Routine’ seems like it is beyond the scope of LTU, and is something that probably should NOT be in LTU.

There are plenty of decent sites about improving / designing exercise routines. Things like Testosterone Nation and Bodybuilding.com (haven’t accessed them for years) were good last time I accessed them.

Same with financial advice. The basics are obvious:
- Pay bills first
- Have hobbies that are free (running, swimming, bird watching, bush walking, going to the beach, meditation, etc).
- Avoid gambling / wasting money
- Avoid credit / credit cards

I think OP/UM will motivate people (Shannon plans to put them in).

Good emotional well-being should naturally lead to making good / smart decisions in all areas of life.

Your suggestions about ‘social’ are good. I think old LTU already covers that.

Stop Swearing (someone else suggested it) is the most bloat suggestion IMO.

Hopefully Shannon sees your suggestions and my suggestions, and considers them, and makes the best decision for making the best LTU 5.5g he can.

My ideas are excellent, and I feel should be taken into consideration, not just added in as fluff or "bloat". Besides at this point, I'm sure Shannon is beyond just throwing stuff into a sub just to have it there. He works like a sniper when it comes to making subliminal and aspires to hit his mark once a program is released which is a part of the reason he wants feedback from the users in the first place.

I already mentioned in response to another post why I mentioned implanting a suggestion as specific as improving an exercise routine for physical health, but you also neglected to mention in your response, that I also made a suggestion for the new LTU to guide a person to create one in the first place, which is not beyond the scope of an LTU subliminal. I'm confident an element of exercise enjoyment and motivation can be added and be effective.

I'm in agreement with you that there's plenty of information about how to do things like build a diet/exercise program, as well as financial tips; but guess what, there are articles all over the web on how to improve any area of life. So operating from that logic, what's the use in creating a new LTU in the first place if people just want to search the web for tips all day?


"Good emotional well-being should naturally lead to making good / smart decisions in all areas of life." - I disagree with that statement. A drug addict or alcoholic for example can get high or drunk all day and feel good, but be blind to the fact they're destroying their lives inside out. It takes more than feeling on top of the world to implement smart and good decisions in one's life. It takes choices and consistent execution.


Just like everyone else, I do feel that a stop swearing portion is unnecessary, perhaps better as a standalone subliminal altogether since choosing to stop saying certain words doesn't inherently improves one's life, even if it just helps them feel better about themselves.

I also agree that features like auric shielding and attract positive energy would make good additions if they can work synergistically with the rest of the program.

TBH, I’m kinda biased.

I am pretty fit / ripped. I am already obsessed with gym training. I already have a healthy diet. I also go running every second day (3 - 4 times a week). I do a bit of swimming when weather / circumstances allow for it.

And financially, I’m barely just making ends meet. But I’m staying out of debt. I pay my bills / rent first, and buy my groceries / supplements, and then I’m broke.

I don’t drink, nor do I go out to any social venues, since I can’t afford either. I spend my weekends reading, watching TV, meditating, walking to the beach (I live on the coast) and so on.

I also own my own weights and bench, a doorway pull-up bar and some paralettes. So my gym training is free (apart from what I paid years ago when I bought the gym equipment).

I also avoid alcohol to maintain maximum fitness / gym results.


The ideal LTU for me would not have those things in it.

But, I know a lot of people are lazy and don’t exercise, eat junk food nonstop, binge drink, etc. So I can see that your suggestions are useful to a lot of potential LTU users.


Also, someone with good emotional well-being would likely avoid drugs / alcohol, since they naturally experience the highs while sober / straight. Someone with good emotional well-being can easily handle the lows while sober / straight.

The typical addict lacks emotional well-being, or is emotionally damaged. The typical addict binge drinks / takes drugs to mask and ignore the emotional lows / pains (and they crave the highs, that they lack naturally).

LTU 5.5g should be good whatever Shannon decides, since he likes to aim for high standards in his work.

I knew you were biased the moment you responded to my original post. But your bias is unfair to everyone else who needs to improve areas of their life, beyond just the physical. Kudos on keeping up with the gym, but life isn't all about working out. As far as finances go, it's obvious by your own admission that you need improvement in that area which I somehow figured before you even posted it.

With that being said, this is a community of sub users, and I'll say it again, we're talking about TOTAL life overhaul, not just a couple areas. for example, even if money isn't all that important to you, wouldn't it be good to have aid from the new LTU to help improve your finances so that you're no longer broke after spending on the necessities?

You could also afford to go out more and have a chance to improve your social skills, which improving in both these areas could help make a more holistically happy and functional person, which ultimately seems to be the goal of LTU. Guess time will tell what gets added.

Question for Shannon

If someone was exposed to a series of subs for a very long time (around 2 years) that had some very very negative effects, what would be the best and fastest was to undo that damage?

I love it when Shannon updates his own journal. His writing gives me a huge sense of liberation and gets my mind going lol

Agree with Kol. Also, I had to agree with Shannon and can't believe we're still on the "looks matter" BS arguments.

I'll say it again: I'm an 8 looks-wise and have always had trouble with women. If it was looks they wanted I'd be swimming in it, but I'm not, so obviously it's something else.

(09-28-2018, 07:08 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Agree with Kol. Also, I had to agree with Shannon and can't believe we're still on the "looks matter" BS arguments.

I'll say it again: I'm an 8 looks-wise and have always had trouble with women. If it was looks they wanted I'd be swimming in it, but I'm not, so obviously it's something else.

Looks matter WAY less than most think. To add to that, beauty is HIGHLY subjective. You might be a 10 to one person, and at the same time a 5 to another, and vice versa.

(09-27-2018, 01:40 PM)Ricardo Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2018, 04:24 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-24-2018, 02:36 AM)Nox Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-23-2018, 09:55 PM)Ricardo Wrote: [ -> ][quote='Shannon' pid='206245' dateline='1537723243']
[quote='Ricardo' pid='206218' dateline='1537694156']

This presupposes that there is only a yes or no variable to the sub. As there are many things happening with this sub and the fact that you are cutting this down to bare bones yes or no logic, as well as the passive aggressive insult, means that I'm pretty sure you're having a go.

Exactly Ricardo... you aren't even here for ages, and you come on and contribute nothing other than to come and try to have a go, just like the last few times.

Then you're called out in it and disappear.

I'm still here and I still stand by my assertions. I'm only trying to add perspective to the issue. The way any criticism is met with such hostility , especially from Shannon does rather prove my points I'm afraid.

I have demonstrated that your conclusions and assertions are based in faulty logic.

I am not giving you any more or less hostility than you are giving me.

And your "proof of your points" is, again, based in faulty logic.

You can't get snarky with me because I disagree with you and my points won't conveniently "just go away" and then claim I'm getting hostile with you when I return exactly the same tone and level of snark you gave me.

I'm not being hostile when I do that, I am trying to make you aware of what you are doing by giving you the same. It's entirely unnecessary to be snarky to me. We are adults. We can have a civil discourse.

I have explained in detail in my journal why you do not get results from DMSI, and why the logic that results in this state is faulty.

Given that, your core argument is therefore faulty and so are your conclusions drawn from it. Including this one:

Quote:The way any criticism is met with such hostility , especially from Shannon does rather prove my points I'm afraid.

Which, by the way, smacks of snark and superiority.

You don't want to see the reality I am creating with DMSI, slowly and surely. But it is there, and it is going to be grown into something much bigger, stronger and more obvious. Whether or not you are willing to admit it, see it, or get on board with it.

You cannot say DMSI doesn't work, when we have multiple times over multiple versions each now seen it work in ways that were without a doubt the user doing what DMSI was instructing them to do. At this point, the only thing holding us back is fear based resistance.

Unfortunately some of you, including you, Ricardo, are so afraid of this change that you are simply refusing to see it.

You can't revise history with refusal to see what happened. It happened. It is what it is. And whether or not you personally get on board with it, or let it happen for you, it still has happened for multiple others, multiple times, with multiple versions. And DMSI is getting more and more powerful with each version.

These are facts. Not opinions. "It doesn't work" is an opinion based on refusal to accept and see the reality of what has actually taken place.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt, my friend. But I still hold out hope for even you to achieve the goals of DMSI.

@Shannon As you mentioned in your Journal...Ricardo would need to adjust his belief system if he wanted to see any change....would Universal Detox help him with that?

Just had a quick read of Shannon's journal about looks.

I feel looks don't seem to matter to women that are either yes ugly or women that are older.

By older I mean approx 30+.

Women from the age of 18-30 will have the minorities for whom beyond looks what truly matters in a relationship is values and morals however for the majority what they find as the perfect man usually is the proverbial Prince charming, the quarterback etc.

If this wasn't the reality of life then movies wouldn't make movies of such.

Having been to many universities in my lifetime so far I have always come to the conclusion based on observations that women above 18 always seek out good looking men as their mate for sex and a relationship.

They only during a relationship will then consider other factors beyond looks which is the same for men too on the whole.

Above 30+ approx women tend to forgo men's looks based on what level of a provider and safety provider he can be as for them the body clock is ticking yet if they could get the whole package ie good looks too they will go for that.

A key requirement for many women has been grooming and grooming means congruence to the image that male is trying to exhibit. As long as he groom's as best as he can he raises up the image ladder in her eyes if he is indeed what she finds attractive.

I found when I was good looking I got more attention than no2 as an older less attractive male. My personality has improved my opinions have matured and I have become a better man for it but body image matters and counts.

Of cos this is all my current belief system and I welcome DMSI to change this in any way possible to allow me to attract higher sexier classier women than normal but my current world view is based on my years of observations.

Excuse any typos as I am typing from my phone and also haven't had time to read all posts as time is scarce for me once again.

Ps: I just finished reading all of the journal entry from Shannon and didn't see if this realisation from Shannon means that he can now include something else into DMSI which will work on changing this new "fear/lack of new belief acceptance" that he has had an epiphany about?