Subliminal Talk

I think that DMSI is overloaded with modules. SubC is tired. We can see it in most posts and, btw, Shannon himself most time "tired, exhausted and etc". I conducted an experiment: stopped shop's subliminals and changed to other vendor: its works faster (if not saying instantly) and I already got some unusual one-stands in recent time.

BUT, Shannon's subs helped me to solve some VERY MAJOY things thats why I writing this post now instead of just enjoy other products.

Once again, my point is: subC is overloaded with intentions from multiple modules. Resistance is not an excuse here, guys. Most guys have an resistance without subs, so telling that someone "is resisting the script"... hey, "using subs & not using subs" is just the same, right?. And you know that.

P.S. Let's strip DMSI 3.3 to most needed and actual modules and lets see whats happens. I'm most interested to Shannon's DMSI finally starts work as intended.

No insult guys.

(05-02-2018, 06:15 AM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-02-2018, 06:11 AM)Shadow2200 Wrote: [ -> ]So what is a good affirmation to use to help with dmsi?

"Subconscious mind, absorb all the suggestions from this subliminal and integrate them into the entirety of my being."

Great stuff anyone else have any more useful affirmations that one could use to help execute the goals if DMSI

(05-02-2018, 09:58 AM)AstonMartin Wrote: [ -> ]I think that DMSI is overloaded with modules. SubC is tired. We can see it in most posts and, btw, Shannon himself most time "tired, exhausted and etc". I conducted an experiment: stopped shop's subliminals and changed to other vendor: its works faster (if not saying instantly) and I already got some unusual one-stands in recent time.

BUT, Shannon's subs helped me to solve some VERY MAJOY things thats why I writing this post now instead of just enjoy other products.

Once again, my point is: subC is overloaded with intentions from multiple modules. Resistance is not an excuse here, guys. Most guys have an resistance without subs, so telling that someone "is resisting the script"... hey, "using subs & not using subs" is just the same, right?. And you know that.

P.S. Let's strip DMSI 3.3 to most needed and actual modules and lets see whats happens. I'm most interested to Shannon's DMSI finally starts work as intended.

No insult guys.

No thanks.

(05-02-2018, 06:35 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon : Still not a concrete answers and still many contradictions.

Reading a LOA guru saying everything that happened in your life is your own very fault makes sense because he's going with the basis that the subconscious only takes at face value what the conscious mind thinks and believes, and attract them. So here, taking full responsibility for one's own life makes perfect sense as you are the one choosing what your subconscious attract.

Now what you're saying Shannon is that the subconscious mind has a will on its own and can act regardless of the will of the conscious mind. No matter how many times you say these parts are still YOU, they have different wills. I'm saying there is a hole in that logic here because [part with will A] can't take responsibility for [part with will B]. Any given part is only responsible for its actions from its own will.

Anyway people are free to believe what they want as you like to say. If people like to see their subconscious mind as the part of them that plot against them, well feel free to do so. I was the guy about a year ago didn't like the Anti-Sniper because I was believing "shit, my subconscious mind will surely use it against me. I mean, look at all that whole 'resistance' thing".
Let's put all unwanted results on the subconscious mind resisting. Every time nothing goes at planned it's because of resistance of course.
This sounds to me like putting a curse on oneself, and moreover, a self-limiting belief.

The concept of human being a co-creator of it's own reality here doesn't match at all with the concept of resistance.

I'll go with the theory that I hold full control over my subconscious mind and it's just a matter of communicating what I want and make him understand what I choose. If an endeavor doesn't work, it isn't because the subcC is plotting against me. But likely because my desire didn't reach it.
I think that's a more productive and beneficial seed to plant into one's beliefs system than the seed that the subC is moving heaven and earth to **** with me.

Think as you would like, but there is more to the subconscious than it just being a subordinate to what you want. Infinitely more.

Shannon.
I have been on side A for more than a month. From what I can observe, urge to fap, is a bit high on A than on B side. The attraction has gone down on A side. I am also less tired on the A side.
Should I do anything different? switch to B or more loops? What do you suggest? I had reasonably better self-control in B and definitely more attraction when listening to B.

(05-02-2018, 10:17 AM)Shadow2200 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-02-2018, 06:15 AM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-02-2018, 06:11 AM)Shadow2200 Wrote: [ -> ]So what is a good affirmation to use to help with dmsi?

"Subconscious mind, absorb all the suggestions from this subliminal and integrate them into the entirety of my being."

Great stuff anyone else have any more useful affirmations that one could use to help execute the goals if DMSI

You can make your own. All I do with mine is take into account what I'm listening to, what it is (a subliminal is set of instructions) and how I want it to affect me.

When I do any subconscious process work I do so along those lines. Like the old adage goes, you can give a man a fish...teach a man how to fish...

Good luck.

(05-02-2018, 06:35 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon : Still not a concrete answers and still many contradictions.

Reading a LOA guru saying everything that happened in your life is your own very fault makes sense because he's going with the basis that the subconscious only takes at face value what the conscious mind thinks and believes, and attract them. So here, taking full responsibility for one's own life makes perfect sense as you are the one choosing what your subconscious attract.

Now what you're saying Shannon is that the subconscious mind has a will on its own and can act regardless of the will of the conscious mind. No matter how many times you say these parts are still YOU, they have different wills. I'm saying there is a hole in that logic here because [part with will A] can't take responsibility for [part with will B]. Any given part is only responsible for its actions from its own will.

Anyway people are free to believe what they want as you like to say. If people like to see their subconscious mind as the part of them that plot against them, well feel free to do so. I was the guy about a year ago didn't like the Anti-Sniper because I was believing "shit, my subconscious mind will surely use it against me. I mean, look at all that whole 'resistance' thing".
Let's put all unwanted results on the subconscious mind resisting. Every time nothing goes at planned it's because of resistance of course.
This sounds to me like putting a curse on oneself, and moreover, a self-limiting belief.

The concept of human being a co-creator of it's own reality here doesn't match at all with the concept of resistance.

I'll go with the theory that I hold full control over my subconscious mind and it's just a matter of communicating what I want and make him understand what I choose. If an endeavor doesn't work, it isn't because the subcC is plotting against me. But likely because my desire didn't reach it.
I think that's a more productive and beneficial seed to plant into one's beliefs system than the seed that the subC is moving heaven and earth to **** with me.

Quote:Now what you're saying Shannon is that the subconscious mind has a will on its own and can act regardless of the will of the conscious mind. No matter how many times you say these parts are still YOU, they have different wills. I'm saying there is a hole in that logic here because [part with will A] can't take responsibility for [part with will B]. Any given part is only responsible for its actions from its own will.

You may or may not agree with me that you can take responsibility for Part A and Part B, experiencing only as Part A. But then we have the situation that Part B can do as it pleases, and nothing is expected of it beyond that. Given such, it therefore can do as it pleases, and once again, we have no growth and no progress. The team leader has failed, and continues to make excuses for why. But the team leader is responsible for making the team stay on task and achieve the goal, and if one part of the team is not cooperating, it must be made to cooperate by the team leader. Otherwise, the goal is not achieved and the whole team fails.

Failure of the whole team caused my a member of the team not cooperating is not just the responsibility of the member doing the non-cooperation, it is also the responsibility of the team leader, because that is the job of the team leader: getting the whole team working together to achieve the goal.

When the team leader denies responsibility for this job, the team fails. When any member of the team does not do their job, the team then fails. And when the team has a non-cooperative member and a team leader not doing their job... the team fails.

Personal responsibility does not stop just because you as the conscious awareness do not have direct and easy access to the subconscious all the time. It is still a part of you, and you are a whole because of your parts. You are all responsible for what you all choose to do, and what you all choose to allow the other parts of yourself to do.

We are still learning how to make this process automatic through subs, but that does not absolve any part of you from responsibility for it's choices and actions, or the responsibility of the team leader for coordinating and directing the team.

Quote:I'll go with the theory that I hold full control over my subconscious mind and it's just a matter of communicating what I want and make him understand what I choose. If an endeavor doesn't work, it isn't because the subcC is plotting against me. But likely because my desire didn't reach it.
I think that's a more productive and beneficial seed to plant into one's beliefs system than the seed that the subC is moving heaven and earth to **** with me.

I never said your subconscious was plotting against your conscious, I said it was resisting the instructions that it is receiving. Your theory is so preposterous as to be self destructing, and here is why:

If (conscious) you hold full control over your subconscious, then two things are true.
1. You can voluntarily, at any time, take over control, consciously, of any and all autonomic functions, in any order and to any degree you like. So how's that conscious manipulation of the muscles in your large intestines going for you today?
2. You can simply consciously command your subconscious once to execute the script, and voila, it does, completely, unfailingly, and forevermore until such time as it gets bored, distracted, lazy... Do you see that happening? I see people trying to do it and struggling at best.

The subconscious is actually vastly more "conscious" than the "conscious" mind is. It understands everything the conscious mind understands, but in different ways, and it perceives time as a smear, not a "point of now", so it can know what the conscious mind is likely to do in what the conscious mind experiences as "the future". Trying to claim that it simply doesn't understand what the conscious mind wants is laughable in the extreme, since the conscious mind is using a set of explicit instructions that are specifically and painstakingly worded to be fully comprehended by the subconscious.

I think, at this point, that your argument is based on innocent (conscious) ignorance, subconscious resistance and attempt at self sabotage, or both.

(05-02-2018, 09:58 AM)AstonMartin Wrote: [ -> ]I think that DMSI is overloaded with modules. SubC is tired. We can see it in most posts and, btw, Shannon himself most time "tired, exhausted and etc". I conducted an experiment: stopped shop's subliminals and changed to other vendor: its works faster (if not saying instantly) and I already got some unusual one-stands in recent time.

The subconscious is lazy. It wants to do the least effort possible. It needs to be constantly prodded to do what is desired. And it needs to be directed to do it to the right degree.

Shannon isn't running DMSI. Shannon has been running MIR for almost a month now because he's been sick three times back to back in a month. You know what happens when you have an infection and you run MIR? It does it's job, and it uses all available resources and energy to fight the infection, and in doing so, exhausts you according to the severity of the infection and/or the availability of fuel.

Your experiment is about like trying to use a 4G or 5G sub from IML. You may get better results and you may get faster results, but if that is the case, it's because the sub isn't pushing as deeply and it isn't pushing as efficiently. In other words, the subconscious does not perceive a threat to itself because it is not being asked to do something fully, or as major, etc. It will cooperate more in that case because it is less threatened, because it is also more able to manipulate and limit the results. And it will do exactly that.

5.5G is trying to push through limitations and resistance. It is trying to achieve the whole goal, all the way, and do so now. So for those who respond to that with fear, of course the subconscious is going to cooperate more with something less powerful that therefore threatens it less because it can better manipulate and limit it according to its own desires. Fortunately, not everyone experiences that. Believe me, it would be much easier for me to go back to building 5G stuff.

The tiredness comes from the internal battles going on between the fearful parts of the subconscious and the cooperative parts. That takes a lot of energy. And once we get the technology to the point where those battles aren't happening, you'll see a lot less exhaustion.

Quote:BUT, Shannon's subs helped me to solve some VERY MAJOY things thats why I writing this post now instead of just enjoy other products.

Once again, my point is: subC is overloaded with intentions from multiple modules. Resistance is not an excuse here, guys. Most guys have an resistance without subs, so telling that someone "is resisting the script"... hey, "using subs & not using subs" is just the same, right?. And you know that.

Dimitry came to this same conclusion. But you are both not in possession of all the facts that I am operating with knowledge of. The fact is, I have not yet found the limit for how much I can throw at it and have it be able to function. Every version of Beast adds a lot of complex script to the program, pages of it. Beast 16 isn't even finished being developed yet, and the script is very nearly 150,000 words long. Yet Beast not only works, but it works faster than I can even explain. The script hasn't even been heard once fully by the time it has not only kicked in, but is well on its way to achieving the goal in many cases.

This theory that the subconscious is tired because the script is bloated or overloaded is not correct. Everything that goes into the script is something that will help achieve the goals. Sometimes I add things I am not sure will work, but if they do, they will help. Sometimes they don;t, and I depricate them. But the script is not overloaded or bloated. Believe me, DMSI isn't even 25% of Beast in length and complexity, and beast works quite well, thanks.

Quote:P.S. Let's strip DMSI 3.3 to most needed and actual modules and lets see whats happens. I'm most interested to Shannon's DMSI finally starts work as intended.

How about we instead add the things that will adjust 3.3 in the directions we need to go to correct for the deficiencies and failings of 3.2? Because if you wanted a stripped down version, all you have to do is go use V1. Stripping out what is there will not help, when everything there is there to perform a critical function. Would you function better if we removed your heart? Lungs? Brain? Blood?

Quote:No insult guys.

No insult taken, if that's what you mean.

(05-02-2018, 11:03 AM)Theron Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon.
I have been on side A for more than a month. From what I can observe, urge to fap, is a bit high on A than on B side. The attraction has gone down on A side. I am also less tired on the A side.
Should I do anything different? switch to B or more loops? What do you suggest? I had reasonably better self-control in B and definitely more attraction when listening to B.

That says there is more resistance on A than on B. You might want to try using A and B in 2 week increments, switching back and forth a little more frequently. If you're using one loop, you might also try 2. Or you could get crazy and listen to it all night long as you sleep every night... but I suspect that would not have the desired effect.

@Shannon , is it possible for a part of your subconscious that has started complying to the script after resisting to somehow start resisting the script again? Thanks

(05-02-2018, 11:58 AM)kingpill Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon , is it possible for a part of your subconscious that has started complying to the script after resisting to somehow start resisting the script again? Thanks

Of course it is. In fact it's common for people to experience a situation where the program gets them to make progress, then that progress triggers fear, the fear stops the progress, and the process repeats. It's indicative that you are making progress, but too much progress at a time is too scary to handle. So your subconscious acclimates, acts, acclimates, acts, acclimates, acts, etc. in that case.

Quote:The subconscious is actually vastly more "conscious" than the "conscious" mind is. It understands everything the conscious mind understands, but in different ways, and it perceives time as a smear, not a "point of now", so it can know what the conscious mind is likely to do in what the conscious mind experiences as "the future". Trying to claim that it simply doesn't understand what the conscious mind wants is laughable in the extreme, since the conscious mind is using a set of explicit instructions that are specifically and painstakingly worded to be fully comprehended by the subconscious.

I will fiercely disagree about this one. When I was still playing self hypnosis tapes I clearly noticed how molding with the way of communication was impacting the effects. Like switching "I" for "You" or using feelings and emotions versus none. So it's clear that the way one chooses to approach his subconscious mind does matter. If my subconscious knew since the start what I was asking it to do my tests would have worked since the very first try, without the necessity of all that gymnastic. I didn't spend a decent amount of time studying that but still, that handful of experiments speak by themselves.

Oh well I think we should stop here because I can't possibly win against you and your years of experiences and experiments. I'm of a good faith and looking for the best for me but I do not resonate at all on a personal level with some of your views. My gut feelings say no, my brain says no, so what shall I do ? It's meaningless to continue. But I'm glad I spoke my mind at least.

But all I can say is that since I changed my view on my subconscious mind I've received clear feedback from it, the very first day I asserted my authority and control over my thoughts and beliefs. This tell me it's the way to go.

@Determined locus of what ? Man I had to google that thing.
@samba99 I hear you but I don't get where you're getting at.

Quote:Great stuff anyone else have any more useful affirmations that one could use to help execute the goals if DMSI

You should obviously start with "There is no resistance!".
Just kidding

(05-02-2018, 12:33 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-02-2018, 11:58 AM)kingpill Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon , is it possible for a part of your subconscious that has started complying to the script after resisting to somehow start resisting the script again? Thanks

Of course it is. In fact it's common for people to experience a situation where the program gets them to make progress, then that progress triggers fear, the fear stops the progress, and the process repeats. It's indicative that you are making progress, but too much progress at a time is too scary to handle. So your subconscious acclimates, acts, acclimates, acts, acclimates, acts, etc. in that case.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. In fact, I'll go so far as to say I'm probably the poster child for this. Before beginning with V3.2 I was getting awesome TID effects and even during the first few weeks of actual V3.2 usage I was executing. No desire for porn, nothing. Just execution. Then I just shut down and the fapping restarted, the results went away, and it was back to "normal" although I still felt the program working in other ways.

Then about a week or two ago I had a breakthrough with my subC and started executing again. I then had the urge to fap and that's when it happened. Two sides of my mind started arguing. On one end was V3.2 which had created (or unveiled) the new K-Train who was urging me to NOT fap and to keep executing. The old K-Train argued back using some BS logic. It was honestly amazing to witness because while this was going on I was physically frozen on the spot. Like watching two very real people arguing in front of you.

V3.2 was very VERY persuasive. It was on the verge of winning the battle...BUT it lost in the end. As I mentioned to Shannon already V3.2 is much more persuasive than V3.1. The fact that it nearly overpowered years and years of BS programming and an obvious self-sabotage attempt is pretty amazing.

PS: I'm not saying fapping is bad. What I'm saying is that FOR ME fapping is typically used as an escape and self-sabotage attempt.

(05-02-2018, 11:04 AM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-02-2018, 10:17 AM)Shadow2200 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-02-2018, 06:15 AM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-02-2018, 06:11 AM)Shadow2200 Wrote: [ -> ]So what is a good affirmation to use to help with dmsi?

"Subconscious mind, absorb all the suggestions from this subliminal and integrate them into the entirety of my being."

Great stuff anyone else have any more useful affirmations that one could use to help execute the goals if DMSI

You can make your own. All I do with mine is take into account what I'm listening to, what it is (a subliminal is set of instructions) and how I want it to affect me.

When I do any subconscious process work I do so along those lines. Like the old adage goes, you can give a man a fish...teach a man how to fish...

Good luck.

thought i overheard somebody that was using some kinda of affirmation to help them execute the program better?