Subliminal Talk

(11-05-2016, 09:15 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-05-2016, 08:05 AM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-05-2016, 06:46 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-04-2016, 09:24 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]People are strange that way. "Oh, you work from home? Obviously you don't really work so let's **** around and do useless shit that wastes your time." Seems to be the thinking.

I'm having this same problem, Shannon. People keep asking me to do favors for them right in the middle of the day, and when I say I that I hate my day being divided like that (I prefer to work in long bursts), they get offended and insinuate that I'm not doing anything but sitting in a room.

On another note, I know IML's plans must be bigger than one customer, but an MHS that could heal my knees would be an absolute godsend. We're talking about the difference between taking the officer's position and not taking the officer's position. I'm going to start doing some heavy leg extensions starting tomorrow, but we'll see.

You have bad knees and you're going to do heavy leg extensions? I'd say that exercise is contraindicated for knee health. At least start light.

Yeah, that's what I meant. I was typing fast -- I meant "weighted leg extensions," but not necessarily heavy.

The doctor isn't sure that my knees are "bad" for a number of reasons. One, I don't have any loss of power or mobility. Just aching pains. No sharp pains. And, it's around the kneecap (a "patellofemoral" injury). Based on my scans, he believes it's being caused by a muscle imbalance caused by kickboxing. His recommendation is physiotherapy -- starting with leg extensions, seated leg curls and all with light weights.

I've actually been meaning to PM you, because he says I also need to strengthen my hip muscles and I can't find a good routine for that.

To Shannon:

Do you think that the current version of MHS can help with this? If so, I'm thinking of buying it and running it until the new version is out. I remember reading... I think it was K-Train's MHS journal, where he said it helped heal his IBS. I thought the current version was only for cuts and bruises and stuff.

EDIT: For those PMing about surgery -- it's not an option. Not because I don't want to do it. Apparently, it doesn't work with the kind of pain I'm experiencing.

I believe it can help, yes, but of course the newer version will be significantly more powerful.

(11-05-2016, 01:22 PM)D77 Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon:

Bro, I need to know your opinion on my post #8013. Especially the pineal gland activation and its secretion of dmt.. Any thoughts? Comments/Opinions?

That's a lot of stuff to think about. Generally not the direction I am going, but I will consider it.

(11-05-2016, 02:10 PM)wolverine_i_am Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-05-2016, 08:38 AM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-05-2016, 08:35 AM)Roy Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-04-2016, 09:21 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]It's in there. May not stay in there after 3.0... it's counter to the program's goals.

Why is NSFM counter to the program's goals?

It's putting the seduction work on the user. The program's goal is to get the other person to seduce you.

That being said, I think the addition of "eye" seduction and body language that assists the other person to do all of the initiation would be good.

Why not have both parties seduce each other? I'm moving forward and so is she. This is more ideal.

The people who are pushing for it to only be one way are treating this as a magic pill. Don't be lazy, guys. Learn to seduce women too.

That's sort of "meet her half way" programming already present.

(11-06-2016, 01:17 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-05-2016, 08:17 AM)AbundanceCH Wrote: [ -> ]I can't seem to find the answer on the forums. Simple question.

I'll be finishing BASE in december. How many days/weeks do I have to wait till I can do the following? Still undecided but i'll opt for one of these options. Not sure what the proper break time should be.
a) run another 5g subliminal 1 stager or
b) rerun BASE

I suggest 1 to 4, according to what feels right for you.

days or weeks?

(11-06-2016, 01:05 PM)2Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 12:52 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 12:35 PM)2Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care how attractive you are as a man, even if you're Justin Bieber or Drake. As soon as you approach a woman, you are giving up some of your power to her, even if it's temporary. I'd like to see the tables turned and women approach and go through hoops for us.

What the **** is happening to this forum?!

Yes, it's going to be nice to see the tables turned and watch them approach us, but giving away your power? No -- your power lies in your expansive, masculine and natural inclination toward action. Not to mention, would you even know how to handle a 9/10 coming on to you in the mall in front of everyone?

Some of ya'll can't even say hello to a woman, and you're railing against Shannon including training on how to do so... but you think you can handle sudden leaps of attraction?

As a matter of fact I would lol, it wouldn't be a big deal to me, I would treat her like anyone else. Don't project your limitations onto me.

This is the problem with this forum right now, everyone's so bogged down by their own experiences that they refuse to think about anything differently, makes progress as a community impossible. Everyone's trying to be polite and politically correct in the men's forum lol.

Guys - the design goals of DMSI are to get them to approach and initiate and have sex with you. Whether you're male or female, whether you're gay or straight, whether whatever.

Those are the design goals.

In other words... make you so sexy that they want to act.

That doesn't make anyone lazy for trying to see if it works. It also doesn't mean you should become a jellyfish and do nothing when you see an opportunity to make something happen!

NSFM is designed to get the user to naturally seduce the women he finds attractive. DMSI is designed to get the women he finds attractive to seduce him. Putting them both together may or may not work, but ultimately it's just training wheels, until we get the script to where it's doing what the original design goals are: Natural Seduction For Everyone But You.

Sitting on your ass waiting for the world to happen is what women do, and it's why they miss out on 99.9% of decent guys who could make them happy.

When you're using DMSI, do your thing. If it works, they may beat you to it. And, you may have women you didn't expect making the moves on you!

But never waste an opportunity to seize the day. If you're interested, go say something!

(11-06-2016, 01:26 PM)AbundanceCH Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 01:17 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-05-2016, 08:17 AM)AbundanceCH Wrote: [ -> ]I can't seem to find the answer on the forums. Simple question.

I'll be finishing BASE in december. How many days/weeks do I have to wait till I can do the following? Still undecided but i'll opt for one of these options. Not sure what the proper break time should be.
a) run another 5g subliminal 1 stager or
b) rerun BASE

I suggest 1 to 4, according to what feels right for you.

days or weeks?

weeks

(11-06-2016, 01:05 PM)2Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 12:52 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 12:35 PM)2Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care how attractive you are as a man, even if you're Justin Bieber or Drake. As soon as you approach a woman, you are giving up some of your power to her, even if it's temporary. I'd like to see the tables turned and women approach and go through hoops for us.

What the **** is happening to this forum?!

Yes, it's going to be nice to see the tables turned and watch them approach us, but giving away your power? No -- your power lies in your expansive, masculine and natural inclination toward action. Not to mention, would you even know how to handle a 9/10 coming on to you in the mall in front of everyone?

Some of ya'll can't even say hello to a woman, and you're railing against Shannon including training on how to do so... but you think you can handle sudden leaps of attraction?

As a matter of fact I would lol, it wouldn't be a big deal to me, I would treat her like anyone else. Don't project your limitations onto me.

Limitations, hunh?

This coming from the guy that thinks you're "giving away your male power" if you say hello to a woman in public.

(11-06-2016, 03:05 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 01:05 PM)2Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 12:52 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 12:35 PM)2Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care how attractive you are as a man, even if you're Justin Bieber or Drake. As soon as you approach a woman, you are giving up some of your power to her, even if it's temporary. I'd like to see the tables turned and women approach and go through hoops for us.

What the **** is happening to this forum?!

Yes, it's going to be nice to see the tables turned and watch them approach us, but giving away your power? No -- your power lies in your expansive, masculine and natural inclination toward action. Not to mention, would you even know how to handle a 9/10 coming on to you in the mall in front of everyone?

Some of ya'll can't even say hello to a woman, and you're railing against Shannon including training on how to do so... but you think you can handle sudden leaps of attraction?

As a matter of fact I would lol, it wouldn't be a big deal to me, I would treat her like anyone else. Don't project your limitations onto me.

Limitations, hunh?

This coming from the guy that thinks you're "giving away your male power" if you say hello to a woman in public.

1st of all, I'm pretty sure I have more balls then you in that area. I've pushed things things and made things happen that are way beyond what's socially acceptable.

2nd of all I can tell you from experience that as soon as you pursue a girl, you lose power to her, whether you know it or not. There are a lot better ways for things to happen trust me.

(11-06-2016, 03:50 PM)2Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 03:05 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 01:05 PM)2Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 12:52 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 12:35 PM)2Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care how attractive you are as a man, even if you're Justin Bieber or Drake. As soon as you approach a woman, you are giving up some of your power to her, even if it's temporary. I'd like to see the tables turned and women approach and go through hoops for us.

What the **** is happening to this forum?!

Yes, it's going to be nice to see the tables turned and watch them approach us, but giving away your power? No -- your power lies in your expansive, masculine and natural inclination toward action. Not to mention, would you even know how to handle a 9/10 coming on to you in the mall in front of everyone?

Some of ya'll can't even say hello to a woman, and you're railing against Shannon including training on how to do so... but you think you can handle sudden leaps of attraction?

As a matter of fact I would lol, it wouldn't be a big deal to me, I would treat her like anyone else. Don't project your limitations onto me.

Limitations, hunh?

This coming from the guy that thinks you're "giving away your male power" if you say hello to a woman in public.

1st of all, I'm pretty sure I have more balls then you in that area. I've pushed things things and made things happen that are way beyond what's socially acceptable.

2nd of all I can tell you from experience that as soon as you pursue a girl, you lose power to her, whether you know it or not. There are a lot better ways for things to happen trust me.

lol.
ok.



yarrrgh matey's, these be treacherous waters. The blimey AMOGs are afoot and they be hankerin' for trouble!!!!

(11-06-2016, 03:56 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 03:50 PM)2Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 03:05 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 01:05 PM)2Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 12:52 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]What the **** is happening to this forum?!

Yes, it's going to be nice to see the tables turned and watch them approach us, but giving away your power? No -- your power lies in your expansive, masculine and natural inclination toward action. Not to mention, would you even know how to handle a 9/10 coming on to you in the mall in front of everyone?

Some of ya'll can't even say hello to a woman, and you're railing against Shannon including training on how to do so... but you think you can handle sudden leaps of attraction?

As a matter of fact I would lol, it wouldn't be a big deal to me, I would treat her like anyone else. Don't project your limitations onto me.

Limitations, hunh?

This coming from the guy that thinks you're "giving away your male power" if you say hello to a woman in public.

1st of all, I'm pretty sure I have more balls then you in that area. I've pushed things things and made things happen that are way beyond what's socially acceptable.

2nd of all I can tell you from experience that as soon as you pursue a girl, you lose power to her, whether you know it or not. There are a lot better ways for things to happen trust me.

lol.
ok.



yarrrgh matey's, these be treacherous waters. The blimey AMOGs are afoot and they be hankerin' for trouble!!!!

As much as I agree with you chaos, there is indeed something to what he's saying. Unless I'm more socially retarded than I realize, any time I've gone and tried to make something happen with a girl after she has shown interest she has lost interest instantly.

Like I said, there's something to it. It's like there's a certain way to respond to women. I dunno anything beyond that.

(11-06-2016, 03:56 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 03:50 PM)2Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 03:05 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 01:05 PM)2Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 12:52 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]What the **** is happening to this forum?!

Yes, it's going to be nice to see the tables turned and watch them approach us, but giving away your power? No -- your power lies in your expansive, masculine and natural inclination toward action. Not to mention, would you even know how to handle a 9/10 coming on to you in the mall in front of everyone?

Some of ya'll can't even say hello to a woman, and you're railing against Shannon including training on how to do so... but you think you can handle sudden leaps of attraction?

As a matter of fact I would lol, it wouldn't be a big deal to me, I would treat her like anyone else. Don't project your limitations onto me.

Limitations, hunh?

This coming from the guy that thinks you're "giving away your male power" if you say hello to a woman in public.

1st of all, I'm pretty sure I have more balls then you in that area. I've pushed things things and made things happen that are way beyond what's socially acceptable.

2nd of all I can tell you from experience that as soon as you pursue a girl, you lose power to her, whether you know it or not. There are a lot better ways for things to happen trust me.

lol.
ok.



yarrrgh matey's, these be treacherous waters. The blimey AMOGs are afoot and they be hankerin' for trouble!!!!

You shouldn't be intimidated by AMOGS, btw.

(11-06-2016, 04:01 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 03:56 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 03:50 PM)2Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 03:05 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-06-2016, 01:05 PM)2Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]As a matter of fact I would lol, it wouldn't be a big deal to me, I would treat her like anyone else. Don't project your limitations onto me.

Limitations, hunh?

This coming from the guy that thinks you're "giving away your male power" if you say hello to a woman in public.

1st of all, I'm pretty sure I have more balls then you in that area. I've pushed things things and made things happen that are way beyond what's socially acceptable.

2nd of all I can tell you from experience that as soon as you pursue a girl, you lose power to her, whether you know it or not. There are a lot better ways for things to happen trust me.

lol.
ok.



yarrrgh matey's, these be treacherous waters. The blimey AMOGs are afoot and they be hankerin' for trouble!!!!

As much as I agree with you chaos, there is indeed something to what he's saying. Unless I'm more socially retarded than I realize, any time I've gone and tried to make something happen with a girl after she has shown interest she has lost interest instantly.

Like I said, there's something to it. It's like there's a certain way to respond to women. I dunno anything beyond that.

No. There isn't.

There's a vast difference between pursuing a woman -- as in chasing (and thus treating her as the prize) -- and approaching a woman to talk to her.

4Kingdoms keeps asking why I have such success with DMSI in the past. The answer is simple: I approach, I tell them I want them and voila! The times that I have been passive (like with #3), I ended up losing the woman, because passivity is NOT natural for men.

You can walk around with as much charged hate as you want, and very few women will approach and talk to you unless you're famous or you're built like a Greek god. That's the natural order of things.

As a man, you're the expansive force, the force that hunts, the force that penetrates. She's the passive receiver. Look at the sex act itself: You penetrate. You fuck her senseless until she can do nothing but babble. You care only about your own pleasure, and she derives her pleasure from you getting off!

In the natural state of things, no matter what the SJWs say, no matter what the AMOGs say, no matter what the zen masters say -- she will NEVER actively hunt and pursue a man.

Hence, why DMSI is such a big deal. It actually bends natural law (without breaking it, hence one of the reasons Shannon probably shies away from a conscious sniper module -- you'd be interfering with will). This even applies in the animal world, where the female will present herself to the male (IOIs) and the male must still make the approach and claim her as his own.

In primal days, the man would approach the woman and bonk her over the head with a rock, then take her away for the fuckin'. But still, the masculine essence is the agent that impresses his will upon a person.

Whether it's fair or not, whether we like it or not, this the way the universe operates. It's constantly moving toward perfection, and it doesn't give a fuck about how the individual person feels about it. These processes want the strong to survive, thrive and procreate and the weak to die off. Sitting on your laurels, claiming to be alpha because you're doing NOTHING is insane.

Quote:Where did Shannon ever say the subliminal eliminates the option to speak to women?

He didn't but that's how everyone is acting and I don't want it to be pushed in that direction because so many people seem to be talking in that direction. As I said in the post it seems to be creating this attitude of "oh this woman come right over to me, took her pants off and I did nothing because she should do everything".


And WTF.. half these other arguments i'm seeing are obviously coming from reading too much pua material and theory without actual experience and it hurts my head. I was going to respond to it but it's of no value for me to do so.

Quote:I don't understand why the choice is so binary, isn't it possible to have both? Maximize DMSI to have women approach you, but also give you the ability to approach women?

Yep that's what I was trying to say.

Quote:Sitting on your ass waiting for the world to happen is what women do, and it's why they miss out on 99.9% of decent guys who could make them happy.

Yep exactly, I was going to say something like that.

And

Quote: It also doesn't mean you should become a jellyfish and do nothing when you see an opportunity to make something happen!

This is exactly the mentality some people are getting into. I just used 2.4 for like 2 days, I mentioned a woman in an opshop come right over, stand next to me and give a big smile and I naturally said hi, and there's the conversation. WIth the mindset that i'm seeing here though there would be some people like "NO.. she's meant to do more" when what she did was pretty damn big and obvious for a woman.