(07-08-2016, 10:39 AM)DisneylandUSA Wrote: [ -> ]Have you received medical treatment for depression ? it may assist you 
Not sure if this was directed @ me, Catman or Natious but I'll bite. No, I have not sought medical treatment for depression and I would not want it either. Thank you though. Partly, because I have only been feeling like this since E2 and I know it will be over eventually, but mainly because I don't belive in medicating emotions. Either with pills, drugs or booze. I choose to bite the bullet and just handle it.
Personally, I suspect antidepressants would not assist in what E2 is trying to accomplish. Rather the opposite really, but that's for Shannon to say.
I did feel a little lost today, so I wrote a post. I got some great replies from others in the same situation and I feel better. Still depressed, but reading other perspectives gives me hope. This too shall pass. Without chemically altering my brainchemistry.
Thanks for the support guys!
(07-08-2016, 10:39 AM)DisneylandUSA Wrote: [ -> ] (07-08-2016, 05:14 AM)Natious Wrote: [ -> ] (07-08-2016, 03:20 AM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (07-08-2016, 03:12 AM)Gotcha Wrote: [ -> ]Hey guys.
I'm on day 38 of E2, at 12-15 hrs per day. Not really noticing any effects besides a slight depression and major lack of motivation.
I read reports from fellow E2 listeners having vivid dreams and feelings of joy or happiness, but I don't recall ANY dreams or any feelings besides depression on E2. My baseline emotional state before starting E2 was normally "happy", I might add.
Hardly any interest in women, or hanging out with friends since a week into E2. Last two weeks I'm a hermit, playing videogames and wathing NetFlix in my lonesome...
In the beginning I got fatigued from listening 16+ hours, so I scaled down to 8 and worked my way up to where I can do 12+ without feeling burned out, but I'm still tired.
Is this resistance? Is E2 working for me? Should I do more/less hours? Should I be doing something to "help" E2? (I just press play, no meditation or whatever tapping is)
Gaah, I'm all over the place with these doubts and insecurities!
In short; is there a light at the end of this E2 tunnel, or am I seeing the train a comin'?
That's exactly what the program seems to do...
Works under the surface, almost TOO well. The result is you not really seeing much different for a long time, and this odd, latent, crappy, depressed feeling in the background and a massive loss of motivation to do things. That's exactly my experience, too. You just seem to vegitate while it does it's thing, keep in mind lethargy is also a common form of resistance. So yes, all of us are going through the "silent monk/lone wolf" phase on E2, lol...
It took me a good 35-40 days to see some signs of tangible life from it, I guess some of us, it takes a long time, either due to resistance, or due to us not seeing what it's doing for a long time as it's subtle and under the surface mostly.
Short answer: it's exactly as it should be. Stick with it longer, and you'll see more things changing. You won't know how exactly it's changed you until you're in a situation that you struggled with in the past, and can finally have a measure to compare now versus then for progress. Until then, it'll mostly be the experience described while it does it's job.
Keep going, Don Corleone!
Instead of being this incredibly painful journey to heal, it's way more stable low mood, until it starts going back up again. I couldn't even begin to imagine how hard it would be to deal with those things without E2, on my own. Today I'm having a quite relaxed and positive day after a long time of feeling depressed. It will get better for you too!
The waves and severity of the depression seems to vary from person to person. I am actually quite glad that these things get dealt with under the surface, doing this consciously could be quite painful and hard.
Have you received medical treatment for depression ? it may assist you
Bruh, medications for depression will not assist you. It just takes care of the surface symptoms and does not get to the root cause. Stay away from them as much as possible.
(07-06-2016, 08:07 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I just had a really interesting idea: what if I could make a sub based on the Optimus Engine that would cause a man to somehow know how every woman around him subconsciously wants to be treated in order for her to respond with sex, and then get him to automatically and continually treat her that way if she is someone he wants to have sex with?
SORRY FOR BEEING TOO LATE! BUT YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!
Damn shannon i want this!
I see that 2 people got to answer before I did. But I agree with the both of them. Medication can only suppress the symptoms and the real problem will be hidden only to slowly take away at your life. All self medication is the same. 2 people that I know have been using anti-depressants for 10+ years and to be honest they are incredibly unhealthy emotionally. Both of them have countless of buried issues and lives that have pretty much already ended.
The anti-depressants are one of the most profitable drugs sold by the pharmaceutical companies. So no wonder they are keen on keeping people on the IV drip for as long as possible.
(07-08-2016, 03:12 AM)Gotcha Wrote: [ -> ]Hey guys.
I'm on day 38 of E2, at 12-15 hrs per day. Not really noticing any effects besides a slight depression and major lack of motivation.
I read reports from fellow E2 listeners having vivid dreams and feelings of joy or happiness, but I don't recall ANY dreams or any feelings besides depression on E2. My baseline emotional state before starting E2 was normally "happy", I might add.
Hardly any interest in women, or hanging out with friends since a week into E2. Last two weeks I'm a hermit, playing videogames and wathing NetFlix in my lonesome...
In the beginning I got fatigued from listening 16+ hours, so I scaled down to 8 and worked my way up to where I can do 12+ without feeling burned out, but I'm still tired.
Is this resistance? Is E2 working for me? Should I do more/less hours? Should I be doing something to "help" E2? (I just press play, no meditation or whatever tapping is)
Gaah, I'm all over the place with these doubts and insecurities!
In short; is there a light at the end of this E2 tunnel, or am I seeing the train a comin'?
Depression and lack of motivation is what the conscious awareness experiences while the deep, painful shit is being dealt with, processed, outgrown and released subconsciously. It means the program is doing it's job. Everyone is coming from a different place, so everyone has a different response. But if doing E2 leads to depression, your baseline "happy" was because you buried everything else and were not dealing & healing. Burying it means it was festering. And when you lance a festering boil, it's going to stink a bit somehow.
Try 2, 4,6 and 8 hours for a few days each and see if there's not a balance there that suits you better.
(07-08-2016, 12:59 PM)bogdy Wrote: [ -> ] (07-06-2016, 08:07 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I just had a really interesting idea: what if I could make a sub based on the Optimus Engine that would cause a man to somehow know how every woman around him subconsciously wants to be treated in order for her to respond with sex, and then get him to automatically and continually treat her that way if she is someone he wants to have sex with?
SORRY FOR BEEING TOO LATE! BUT YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!
Damn shannon i want this!
Yeah, when I get a chance.
(07-08-2016, 02:28 PM)Tobi Wrote: [ -> ] (07-08-2016, 01:09 PM)Natious Wrote: [ -> ]I see that 2 people got to answer before I did. But I agree with the both of them. Medication can only suppress the symptoms and the real problem will be hidden only to slowly take away at your life. All self medication is the same. 2 people that I know have been using anti-depressants for 10+ years and to be honest they are incredibly unhealthy emotionally. Both of them have countless of buried issues and lives that have pretty much already ended.
The anti-depressants are one of the most profitable drugs sold by the pharmaceutical companies. So no wonder they are keen on keeping people on the IV drip for as long as possible.
I dony think just profability is behind all ot it. It seems more and more the political idea is less about changing yourself to more "I am a victim of my enviroment and forced to do this" this has become the political paradigm lately and is becoming worse
Despression is accepterd to be a chemical imabalance causee by genetics with not many ways to change it. People belive that its not your beleilfs or weakness that causes is, but a genetic "destiny".
Profit is all the drug companies understand. They develop drugs for X test them, discover that it does nothing (discard and repeat), nothing they can monetize (discard and repeat), what it's supposed to do (sell the hell out of it) or that it does something unexpected that they can monetize.
When it does the latter, they invent a new "disease" for it to treat, and start advertising it and training doctors about the new "disease".
The political side is definitely more and more about a government that takes care of you while taking away your rights and freedoms. But these days, a free ride is worth it for a lot of people.
If you look around, there's a lot of evidence that the "genetic/chemical imbalance" theory (and it is only a theory) is full on BS, if not all cases, in the vast majority.
My research and experimentation shows that almost all depression stems from either emotional trauma that has been medicated and/or buried instead of dealt with and purged, eating a diet that fucks with your brain chemistry (e.g. too-high carb diet), or some combination of the two.
If my theory is correct, then E2/E3 (when it comes out) should be much more effective in helping with depression in the long run than antidepressants.
I'd tend to agree with Shannon. My father was an alleged psychopath, and for a long time I thought that was why I was f*cked up. Till I realized that my brother who was born just before my mom left my dad, didn't have the same issues as me. This points to environmental factors, not genetic factors. And yes, me and my brother look similar, so he's not adopted.
(07-08-2016, 04:28 PM)bogdy Wrote: [ -> ] (07-08-2016, 03:10 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (07-08-2016, 12:59 PM)bogdy Wrote: [ -> ] (07-06-2016, 08:07 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I just had a really interesting idea: what if I could make a sub based on the Optimus Engine that would cause a man to somehow know how every woman around him subconsciously wants to be treated in order for her to respond with sex, and then get him to automatically and continually treat her that way if she is someone he wants to have sex with?
SORRY FOR BEEING TOO LATE! BUT YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!
Damn shannon i want this!
Yeah, when I get a chance.
What do you mean?
I mean there's 1 of me, and 10,000 ideas. I'm working on GPR12 and DMSI V2.2 right now. After that I have a nice long list.
I have narrowed down the goal scripting for DMSI 2.2 to five options. Hopefully I can get the winner today and perhaps start building.
(07-08-2016, 03:16 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]If my theory is correct, then E2/E3 (when it comes out) should be much more effective in helping with depression in the long run than antidepressants.
Two runs of AM6 has all but obliterated my day-to-day lingering depression, that constant sense of sadness that just hovers over you all day.
I suspect that E2's going to rip out the roots of depression.
(07-08-2016, 04:47 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ] (07-08-2016, 03:16 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]If my theory is correct, then E2/E3 (when it comes out) should be much more effective in helping with depression in the long run than antidepressants.
Two runs of AM6 has all but obliterated my day-to-day lingering depression, that constant sense of sadness that just hovers over you all day.
I suspect that E2's going to rip out the roots of depression.
You have to remember that E2 isn't doing anything. It's just a set of instructions. It's the person who uses it, who accepts and executes those instructions, who is doing it.
But, if I have actually determined the real cause of depression, it will be effective to use E2, regardless.
(07-08-2016, 04:37 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I have narrowed down the goal scripting for DMSI 2.2 to five options. Hopefully I can get the winner today and perhaps start building.
What's on the docket after DMSI 2.2?