Subliminal Talk

(09-29-2016, 03:37 PM)ffaux Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2016, 12:24 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Most women are not looking past their own nose when it comes to really valuing any particular man, and why should they, when they have armies of Betas AND PUAs trying to drown her in attention all day every day?

So how the hell do you get a woman to value/respect you?

I was wondering this myself. More specifically: if a traditional alpha is more recignized, why are we wasting time become "ascendants"?

See what those other guys are doing?

Yeah. Don't do that.

(09-29-2016, 03:43 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2016, 03:37 PM)ffaux Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2016, 12:24 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Most women are not looking past their own nose when it comes to really valuing any particular man, and why should they, when they have armies of Betas AND PUAs trying to drown her in attention all day every day?

So how the hell do you get a woman to value/respect you?

I was wondering this myself. More specifically: if a traditional alpha is more recignized, why are we wasting time become "ascendants"?

Why does a man become an alpha in the first place?

If it is for the recognition of his fellow man, then he is not truly an alpha, because he needs the approval of others to believe he is "good enough".

If it is for pussy, then he is not truly alpha, because he is a slave to his dick, her whim or both.

But, if he is a master of himself first and foremost, and for himself, then he is truly alpha. And this type of alpha is less obvious because of the following things:

1. "Type 1 Alphas" are all screaming as loud as they can to get her attention and prove how "alpha" they are.
2. PUAs will be in her face and down her pants every chance they get.
3. Most women are just about clueless as to what an alpha really is, because they have never seen one.
4. Most women are too distracted by the guys who are constantly throwing their dicks in their faces, and trying to fend them off. (Or fuck them down, depending on the age and self respect level of the woman.)

But... just as there are a few exceptional men, there are a few exceptional women, and they are the ones worth having and worth keeping. These women will understand what really matters and what a man's value really is (and their own).

When you find such a woman, she will understand your value regardless of what you do to display it or prove it. She will choose to get to know you, and understand you, and come to see you for what and who you actually are - and when she sees what you actually are as an ascendant alpha, she will do anything and everything within her power to be and remain worthy of you.

The higher you go on the alpha scale, the less you will compete, and the more females you will have access to regardless, simply by virtue of what and who you are.

But that's because you're a genuine alpha, not doing it just for pussy or for someone else's approval. You are constantly making yourself the best man you are capable of being, and even extending the boundaries of what that means, and that is what makes you irresistible. But as an ascendant alpha... it will not be a big deal for you.

If you can't see past pussy and needing for the approval of others, you'll never be an alpha. That is what makes alpha so attractive to women: alphas, true alphas, don't give a shit!

(09-29-2016, 04:04 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2016, 03:43 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2016, 03:37 PM)ffaux Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2016, 12:24 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Most women are not looking past their own nose when it comes to really valuing any particular man, and why should they, when they have armies of Betas AND PUAs trying to drown her in attention all day every day?

So how the hell do you get a woman to value/respect you?

I was wondering this myself. More specifically: if a traditional alpha is more recignized, why are we wasting time become "ascendants"?

Why does a man become an alpha in the first place?

If it is for the recognition of his fellow man, then he is not truly an alpha, because he needs the approval of others to believe he is "good enough".

If it is for pussy, then he is not truly alpha, because he is a slave to his dick, her whim or both.

But, if he is a master of himself first and foremost, and for himself, then he is truly alpha. And this type of alpha is less obvious because of the following things:

1. "Type 1 Alphas" are all screaming as loud as they can to get her attention and prove how "alpha" they are.
2. PUAs will be in her face and down her pants every chance they get.
3. Most women are just about clueless as to what an alpha really is, because they have never seen one.
4. Most women are too distracted by the guys who are constantly throwing their dicks in their faces, and trying to fend them off. (Or **** them down, depending on the age and self respect level of the woman.)

But... just as there are a few exceptional men, there are a few exceptional women, and they are the ones worth having and worth keeping. These women will understand what really matters and what a man's value really is (and their own).

When you find such a woman, she will understand your value regardless of what you do to display it or prove it. She will choose to get to know you, and understand you, and come to see you for what and who you actually are - and when she sees what you actually are as an ascendant alpha, she will do anything and everything within her power to be and remain worthy of you.

The higher you go on the alpha scale, the less you will compete, and the more females you will have access to regardless, simply by virtue of what and who you are.

But that's because you're a genuine alpha, not doing it just for pussy or for someone else's approval. You are constantly making yourself the best man you are capable of being, and even extending the boundaries of what that means, and that is what makes you irresistible. But as an ascendant alpha... it will not be a big deal for you.

If you can't see past pussy and needing for the approval of others, you'll never be an alpha. That is what makes alpha so attractive to women: alphas, true alphas, don't give a shit!

And AM6 achieves all of this?

(09-29-2016, 04:13 PM)ffaux Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2016, 04:04 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2016, 03:43 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2016, 03:37 PM)ffaux Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2016, 12:24 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Most women are not looking past their own nose when it comes to really valuing any particular man, and why should they, when they have armies of Betas AND PUAs trying to drown her in attention all day every day?

So how the hell do you get a woman to value/respect you?

I was wondering this myself. More specifically: if a traditional alpha is more recignized, why are we wasting time become "ascendants"?

Why does a man become an alpha in the first place?

If it is for the recognition of his fellow man, then he is not truly an alpha, because he needs the approval of others to believe he is "good enough".

If it is for pussy, then he is not truly alpha, because he is a slave to his dick, her whim or both.

But, if he is a master of himself first and foremost, and for himself, then he is truly alpha. And this type of alpha is less obvious because of the following things:

1. "Type 1 Alphas" are all screaming as loud as they can to get her attention and prove how "alpha" they are.
2. PUAs will be in her face and down her pants every chance they get.
3. Most women are just about clueless as to what an alpha really is, because they have never seen one.
4. Most women are too distracted by the guys who are constantly throwing their dicks in their faces, and trying to fend them off. (Or **** them down, depending on the age and self respect level of the woman.)

But... just as there are a few exceptional men, there are a few exceptional women, and they are the ones worth having and worth keeping. These women will understand what really matters and what a man's value really is (and their own).

When you find such a woman, she will understand your value regardless of what you do to display it or prove it. She will choose to get to know you, and understand you, and come to see you for what and who you actually are - and when she sees what you actually are as an ascendant alpha, she will do anything and everything within her power to be and remain worthy of you.

The higher you go on the alpha scale, the less you will compete, and the more females you will have access to regardless, simply by virtue of what and who you are.

But that's because you're a genuine alpha, not doing it just for pussy or for someone else's approval. You are constantly making yourself the best man you are capable of being, and even extending the boundaries of what that means, and that is what makes you irresistible. But as an ascendant alpha... it will not be a big deal for you.

If you can't see past pussy and needing for the approval of others, you'll never be an alpha. That is what makes alpha so attractive to women: alphas, true alphas, don't give a shit!

And AM6 achieves all of this?

No, YOU achieve all of that, and you can use AM6 as a tool to help you get there a hell of a lot faster.

One of the key traits of a genuine alpha is taking personal responsibility. The program is a tool, not a savior.

(09-29-2016, 04:27 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]No, YOU achieve all of that, and you can use AM6 as a tool to help you get there a hell of a lot faster.

One of the key traits of a genuine alpha is taking personal responsibility. The program is a tool, not a savior.

I don't know Shannon… from where I'm sittin AM6 has been a lot like my saviour

Run it again, quick!

Oh Shannon, why'd you have to post that? Now I have to disagree with you...

(09-29-2016, 04:04 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-29-2016, 03:43 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]I was wondering this myself. More specifically: if a traditional alpha is more recignized, why are we wasting time become "ascendants"?

Why does a man become an alpha in the first place?

If it is for the recognition of his fellow man, then he is not truly an alpha, because he needs the approval of others to believe he is "good enough".

If it is for pussy, then he is not truly alpha, because he is a slave to his dick, her whim or both.

But, if he is a master of himself first and foremost, and for himself, then he is truly alpha.

So,if said alpha decides, for himself, that he values pussy (or money, or whatever) above all else and he will make it his life's pursuit, then how is chasing after pussy not alpha?

On the flip side, if a man doesn't care what people think of him while he chases pussy, but another man doesn't chase pussy because he's concerned with "being alpha", which one of the two is truly alpha?

(09-29-2016, 04:04 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]And this type of alpha is less obvious because of the following things:

1. "Type 1 Alphas" are all screaming as loud as they can to get her attention and prove how "alpha" they are.
2. PUAs will be in her face and down her pants every chance they get.
3. Most women are just about clueless as to what an alpha really is, because they have never seen one.
4. Most women are too distracted by the guys who are constantly throwing their dicks in their faces, and trying to fend them off. (Or **** them down, depending on the age and self respect level of the woman.)

But... just as there are a few exceptional men, there are a few exceptional women, and they are the ones worth having and worth keeping. These women will understand what really matters and what a man's value really is (and their own).

When you find such a woman, she will understand your value regardless of what you do to display it or prove it. She will choose to get to know you, and understand you, and come to see you for what and who you actually are - and when she sees what you actually are as an ascendant alpha, she will do anything and everything within her power to be and remain worthy of you.

I believe I've said before that I'm not interested in finding these "special women"

a) because I don't believe they exist,

and

b) I've had this already in my youth, and I was waaaay more messed up than i am now.

(09-29-2016, 04:04 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]The higher you go on the alpha scale, the less you will compete, and the more females you will have access to regardless, simply by virtue of what and who you are.

But that's because you're a genuine alpha, not doing it just for pussy or for someone else's approval. You are constantly making yourself the best man you are capable of being, and even extending the boundaries of what that means, and that is what makes you irresistible. But as an ascendant alpha... it will not be a big deal for you.

If you can't see past pussy and needing for the approval of others, you'll never be an alpha. That is what makes alpha so attractive to women: alphas, true alphas, don't give a shit!

Well here's the problem Shannon: I want pussy, but if that means I won't get pussy, I'll focus on myself. Course it becomes immediately obvious that I'm only doing it for the pussy so I'm f*cked either way.

However, that's only in your paradigm, I believe that if a man is true to himself he's alpha regardless. That includes if he chases pussy.

I've seen this many times in sales as well, it's not when I'm being the most professional and organized and everything else you'd intuitively think is what should work, it;'s when I'm being REAL.

I have a hunch that's how everything works.

I have often wondered if this "ascendant alpha" thing is worth it, or if it's just something we tell ourselves to placate ourselves, particularly when not getting laid and traditional alphas are. I mean, overall, women don't seem to value or understand ascendant alphas, and I'm not interested in the program making it so that I have to search for unicorns to find one that will value me and the ascendant-alphaness. The value of this man should be inherent and obvious to them and us, in order to be worth it. Maybe the AM program is going down the wrong road, and should go for traditional alpha, as obviously it's far more understood, valued by women in particular. And since women are a normal part of a heterosexual man's life, I don't think it's wrong to evaluate their feedback on my development.

I mean, we can be called "slaves to our dicks", which another person would call simply, healthy heterosexual males. But between an ascendant alpha most women mistake as a nice guy and a bit asexual and overlook and doesn't get recognition or laid, or a traditional alpha that gets immediate recognition and laid, I know which one I'd choose. Obviously feedback from women is extremely important if you want to date them or have sex with them, so pretending their opinion of you doesn't matter because of how alpha you are, even when they don't seem to be valuing what you've become or understand it, may not be the best way to go about things. I think AM7 may need a rethink about these things and be more reality-driven and less idealistic especially about what women value, personally. Meaning, we WANT them to value the ascendant alpha guy over the traditional alpha guy, but that doesn't really happen in reality. Having E3 in AM7 will no doubt go a very long way to making sure the program works far more effectively in and of itself, never mind the 6G tech and script changes. It should be an incredible program, but I think the idealistic nature of it needs reconsidering.

I don't think there's anything considered an acendant alpha. There's just cool, you're either cool or you're not cool. You can be kind of cool or you can be really cool. We don't live in a world where women are looking for the lumber jack type of alpha male, at least not seriously. They just like cool, popular, charming, and reliably so. That's the demand, because it's the hardest to fake. So is money.

Focus on being cool (not sexy), and you'll get all the pussy you want.

(09-29-2016, 05:51 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]So,if said alpha decides, for himself, that he values pussy (or money, or whatever) above all else and he will make it his life's pursuit, then how is chasing after pussy not alpha?

On the flip side, if a man doesn't care what people think of him while he chases pussy, but another man doesn't chase pussy because he's concerned with "being alpha", which one of the two is truly alpha?

Sarge I will hopefully have responded to this in my response to CatMan below.

(09-29-2016, 05:59 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]I have often wondered if this "ascendant alpha" thing is worth it, or if it's just something we tell ourselves to placate ourselves, particularly when not getting laid and traditional alphas are. I mean, overall, women don't seem to value or understand ascendant alphas, and I'm not interested in the program making it so that I have to search for unicorns to find one that will value me and the ascendant-alphaness. The value of this man should be inherent and obvious to them and us, in order to be worth it. Maybe the AM program is going down the wrong road, and should go for traditional alpha, as obviously it's far more understood, valued by women in particular. And since women are a normal part of a heterosexual man's life, I don't think it's wrong to evaluate their feedback on my development.

In this part of your response you have placed the value of a woman above your own because you are expressing the desire to change yourself to become what you believe a woman values and wants. AM guides/teaches/pushes you to become what you value and want. It teaches you that your value is above what any woman may value and want.

You said that you've often wondered if this "ascendant alpha" thing is worth it. It depends on what your goal is. Who do you want to be? To quote the great Dead Prez (wildly out of context) "Would you rather have a lexus or justice? A dream or some substance?" What kind of man do you want to be?

(09-29-2016, 05:59 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, we can be called "slaves to our dicks", which another person would call simply, healthy heterosexual males. But between an ascendant alpha most women mistake as a nice guy and a bit asexual and overlook and doesn't get recognition or laid, or a traditional alpha that gets immediate recognition and laid, I know which one I'd choose. Obviously feedback from women is extremely important if you want to date them or have sex with them, so pretending their opinion of you doesn't matter because of how alpha you are, even when they don't seem to be valuing what you've become or understand it, may not be the best way to go about things. I think AM7 may need a rethink about these things and be more reality-driven and less idealistic especially about what women value, personally. Meaning, we WANT them to value the ascendant alpha guy over the traditional alpha guy, but that doesn't really happen in reality. Having E3 in AM7 will no doubt go a very long way to making sure the program works far more effectively in and of itself, never mind the 6G tech and script changes. It should be an incredible program, but I think the idealistic nature of it needs reconsidering.

The difference in perspective comes from the fact that you haven't yet transcended your desire for sex (for many good reasons, I grant you) but I'm telling you now that when you do you'll realise that it is an unworthy goal and priority in your life. In my life I come first, women be damned. They can take their little pussies and spread their legs for whomsoever they choose, I won't change myself so they can use me for sexual gratification and discard me (with drama) at their leisure. I hold the keys. I hold the power. At least that's my goal if I'm not entirely there yet.


Now, having said all of that I don't think I should impose my (newfound--thanks AM ) beliefs on anyone else. I think that for the greater good of humanity Shannon made AM a requirement for WM and SM but I think he has come to the realisation that not all men want to grow into an ascendant alpha, some just want to get laid. That's what Become Sexually Irresistible is about (better name IMO).

Yeah, I'm not sold on it ffaux.

Hi Ffaux,

As I said in that post, it isn't about putting women above you or being a "slave to your dick", it's simply being heterosexual and wanting them in your life and having them in your life easily. And I question whether this kind of alpha does that, because if it did, we wouldn't have guys after AM still saying they can't get laid, and we wouldn't have a need for the magnet programs.

That's great you are an ascendant alpha now. But, are you having sex? With women that are very attractive? I don't think there's anything wrong with desiring women, as a normal heterosexual male. You shouldn't have to pick between ascendant alpha asexual monk, or playboy. Traditional alphas are leaders, but also get sex with attractive women easily. I know which one I'd rather be.

I think the focus of the program needs a rethink is all, it may be pointing us to a place where we aren't truly understood or valued properly by others. And, since we live in a society that we want to enjoy our newfound development in, and don't live in a vacuum, the end goal may require a rethink to put us in the position we want to be in.

(09-29-2016, 07:50 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]That's great you are an ascendant alpha now.

I'm not, I've taken some very small steps on a very long journey. I'm going to ignore the sarcasm.

(09-29-2016, 07:50 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]But, are you having sex?

No, not right now. It didn't work out with the girl I was seeing.

(09-29-2016, 07:50 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]With women that are very attractive?

I found her attractive but I don't know if you would. Sex with beautiful women is nice, I won't say no, but I'd like to think this isn't a goal for me anymore.

(09-29-2016, 07:50 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think there's anything wrong with desiring women, as a normal heterosexual male.

I agree.

(09-29-2016, 07:50 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]You shouldn't have to pick between ascendant alpha asexual monk, or playboy.

You don't have to. You're committing a logical fallacy.

(09-29-2016, 07:50 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]Traditional alphas are leaders, but also get sex with attractive women easily. I know which one I'd rather be.

I'm suggesting that when you're content with how much sex you've had you might change your mind because the value of sex will become zero to you.

(09-29-2016, 07:50 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]I think the focus of the program needs a rethink is all,

I disagree, if anything I think it needs to become more focused so that it happens faster but I think it's in a good place right now if people are persistent enough.

(09-29-2016, 07:50 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]it may be pointing us to a place where we aren't truly understood or valued properly by others. And, since we live in a society that we want to enjoy our newfound development in, and don't live in a vacuum, the end goal may require a rethink to put us in the position we want to be in.

This is all extrinsic motivation. You might want to review the research done by Deci and Ryan on Intrinsic Motivation and Self-Determination.


My point is not that you should be sexless, my point is that I think the AM program is going in the right direction and that it's either not in the direction you want or you haven't been patient enough. I'm also suggesting that when you feel like you've had enough sex (which for me happened as a result of AM) you might agree.