(05-26-2016, 09:13 AM)Nox Wrote: [ -> ] (05-26-2016, 08:55 AM)SouthPaw Wrote: [ -> ]Alpha, when I was on AOS I had guys unconsciously staring at my dick and unconsciously touching there's. And as far as I knew they were full hetero. WTF is that? Lol. Don't give me the fear thing again. A day doesn't just consist of going to the club. And like I said it's 5.5G, meaning it's much much more powerful. So yeah safeties please.
Sarge, definitely there will always be attention from men but with a "limiter" it won't be completely loose.
Guys check out other dudes dicks just as often as women. Not always due to attraction but comparison. I've been people watching for years and I'd almost say guys check out dicks more than ladies.
This reminds me of a story:
I was in the shower late one night (had just got home) and was feeling relaxed and really good. When I got out of the shower, I went straight to my room and the lights were off in the living room.
Anyhow, as I walked to my room I groped and grabbed my dick, just feeling sexy I guess. Not masturbating, just grabbing with pride I guess. Anyhow, when I got in my room and closed the door, I noticed my brother had been standing there the whole time lol. The next day he was giving me massive respect, hard to say if it was a coincidence.
Anyhow, loose is EXACTLY what we need Southpaw. People pick up on your energy and attempt to match it. So if you're feeling sexy and loose, the women will too. If guys come onto you, well, that's where boundaries come in. Pretty simple if you ask me.
Another fun fact: I used to be super afraid of being gay myself, then I realized I was bi, it freed me up so much, now I don't even look at guys and have become even more obsessed with women. Whatever you resist, persists.
(05-26-2016, 02:00 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]So what you're saying is, turn it into AM and SM? That's what this list reads like. Makes me think you should do E2, then an AM refresher and then SM again.
This is designed to generate an aura of sexual irresistibility for those you are sexually attracted to. There are some things in here that I can use, but most of this sounds like you'd be happier doing what I suggested above. At the risk of losing a sale here, I think you're getting excited at the prospect of a magic bullet. That's why you got so disappointed with your response to SM. There is no magic bullet, my friend, it will still require that you have the foundation. AOSI is going to make you as sexy as possible within your current framework, but it's not designed to really grow you into anything.
Are you sure you wouldn't do better with E2, AM refresher and then SM?
Hi Shannon!
I just wanted to mention things women seem to find sexy is all. Some were direct and could be of use, others did that in an indirect way, that I thought would shore up the more direct parts so it worked as intended. Like I said, I wasn't even sure how some of that would be possible, just a "perfect world" scenario. I saw you were adding GSF elements to make sure the program works as intended it seemed, and thought you wanted more direct AND indirect ways to be sexy for the script.
I appreciate the honesty about running E2 then AM6 refresher and a full redo of SM3, that would be amazing and would save me money. I just have very little faith in SM3 now, after how awful and disappointing that first run was. It shook my belief in subs so harshly, that...well...I won't talk about it publicly, but I'm sure you know what I'm referring to. Not having a single redeeming moment with a single girl to be optimistic about, I'm not convinced a second run would be any better for me. Even ONE lone incident, would let me know it was actually working and would be enough to keep me going with it and positive about it, but it didn't happen. After every night out, and nothing being different, I always felt like a failure for not making such a powerful program work, it made me feel apprehensive about going out at times as I'd be worried I'd again feel like a failure afterwards. It's too much time investment, in a program that I'm now very skeptical will work for me. I'm concerned about wasting all that time again. I'm hoping this program will do something for me, so I can move on from thinking about SM3. I'm very happy to go in another direction with something vastly more powerful. Nobody was more excited for SM3 than I when I got to finally run it, that was the program goals I've wanted my whole life, but the results were shockingly bad for me. So bad that I don't think it's able to work on me, maybe. I guess no program can work for everyone.
(05-26-2016, 11:44 AM)terry44 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-26-2016, 09:12 AM)dissonance Wrote: [ -> ] (05-26-2016, 07:57 AM)terry44 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-26-2016, 07:43 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-26-2016, 07:31 AM)terry44 Wrote: [ -> ]With respect I disagree with him then. The fear that stops you walking off the edge of a cliff, or stepping into traffic or putting your hand in a fire are very healthy. Millions of years of evolution created fear to avoid danger, it stopped you fighting a sabre-toothed tiger or a much bigger human adversary. Or, if you had to fight, fear made you produce the adrenaline and other hormones to be able to fight effectively. Trouble is, it can feed on itself and become irrational, inappropriate, or excessive, and inappropriate fear can even be transmitted to you when very young by those around you.
It may take 1000 years before the general population realize what Shannon just explained in this post. Fear is not useful anymore if you are able to think for yourself and avoid danger by being smart. Fear is useful for animals because they can't think for themselves.
That would be true if you could avoid all danger with rational thought, but you can't. If a mad dog or crazy human attacked you in a completely unpredictable way, for example, the fear would produce hormones that could save your life. They would give you much greater strength and energy to fight or run away. Without fear you would be at a great disadvantage in that situation.
that's not fear though, that's adrenaline, not fear.
You are wrong actually, adrenaline is produced by the fight or flight response, which is triggered by fear. In fact, adrenaline has even been called the hormone of fear, although it can also be produced by anger. People who suffer from chronic stress are suffering from chronic fear and have abnormally high levels of adrenaline, which should only occur in short bursts. If it is present all the time it can do a lot of damage to the body.
This link shows how fear works to produce Epinephrine (aka adrenaline): http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/in.../fear2.htm
I know they are related but they aren't one in the same is what I mean.
For whatever it's worth, adrenaline can be fueled not just by fear but also by positive stress or eustress. Think of it like this: if you love roller coasters and you come upon a new 300ft behemoth coaster that goes 90mph your blood starts pumping. Is it necessarily fear? Maybe or maybe not. But the adrenaline response (fight or flight) is also based upon how you perceive the response.
As far as the gay dude thing, I look at it like street salesman (Sarge knows what I'm talking about here). Some days I don't mind if a salesman walks up to me on campus trying to promote some new apartment or some product. Other days I really can't be bothered and would rather them leave me alone. Sometimes as I'm walking I see them [the street salesmen/promoters/whatever] going up to other people pushing a sale. And sometimes I think "man I hope this chick/dude doesn't come up to me cause I'm not in the mood".
Do I fear the salesman? No...I can simply say no and move on. After I give them the "no thank you" I expect them to walk away and go on about their business. Like others I do hope that my polite "no thank you" doesn't result in me getting badgered by the individual who just won't take no for an answer particularly if it is a clear no. No shame in their game because I know that sales people have a job to do and I don't want to knock their hussle.
That's where some of the fellas (me included) may be coming from when they say they don't want attention from gay dudes. It's a slight hassle that in all honesty is rare but isn't something we WANT to deal with IF we don't HAVE to.That said, if it's truly unavoidable, and me getting hit on by the occasional gay dude is something I have to deal with while getting a lot of female attention, eh, I'll deal with it.
I Notice while I've been reading some of the posting here that there are some concerns about Gay men coming on to them... if ya dont wanna be bothered then try these is if it gets to a verbal communicating: Thanx for the compliment dude,a compliments a compliment but I ALREADY HAVE A DICK ,I DONT NEED ANOTHER ONE!
and # 2) YOU wouldnt want it man,it'd be the worse sex ya ever had. thats leaving'um LIMP right there. ironically A str8 friend of mine told me about the 2nd one I came up with the 1st one myself.
I AM HOMOSEXUAL and Like all people or mostly ALL people ,people have standard too and so DO I.
if some dude who didnt know I was homosexual,which is usually the case,came on to me and I truly did NOT want to be bothered, I would say BOTH of the abouve !! NOT all str8 Men want every women not all Gay Men want every dude,just becoz theirs similar plumbing. I "tired' str8 life for 15 yrs,including marriage, didnt work. do what works fer you... a shorter right to the point version is "F-***" - off! that works too. thats My last resort. Its never happened in my life,as of yet though on ANY of the abouve Im just prepared if it does. Good luck fellas, for those that this applies too -I hope you attract all the beaver ya want,man.
I like the first one lol!
Quote:Thanx for the compliment dude,a compliments a compliment but I ALREADY HAVE A DICK ,I DONT NEED ANOTHER ONE!
Fucking hell Keith, I nearly spat out my coffee when I read that hahahaha.
(05-26-2016, 04:06 AM)dweller94 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-24-2016, 05:48 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (05-24-2016, 04:49 PM)dweller94 Wrote: [ -> ]holy hell!
Shannon will the manifestation part of the script include something similar or along the lines of this:
"The beautiful women I attract now effortlessly approach me and act on their interest and attraction in obvious, aggressive and direct ways."
That was in BIATBW but wasn't included in the BIATBWS's script last time I checked, just thought I'd mention this.
Mebbe. We shall see. I'm working on the OE section right now. Haven't gotten that far.
Is that a yes then?
There are a couple of statements in the script that aim to make those who respond feel at ease with and encourage them to approach and act on their desires.
(05-26-2016, 04:32 AM)terry44 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-26-2016, 03:23 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe we should start a thread with a poll about this question once and for all:
In my opinion using statement in the script to repels dudes (unwanted attention) is not helping us, quiet the opposite. One of the main issue here I think come from that western society is fearful about homosexual, especially male homosexuality. This behavior is based on fear and ignorance. It's even destructive to the heterosexual man, it gives sexual power away. First there is a part of social proof that is removed. Then there is fear from men when intimacy is involved, some are fearful to express emotion or are shameful because people will see them as gay. There is also jealousy, if men were as open as women about homosexuality women would have less control on us because we would have more choice, women would be more jealous. Women are not afraid to go full homo/bisexual and that way they gain sexual power because we are the one losing a possibility for sexual freedom.
Shannon you said that in some case you don't listen to your customer because their view are wrong, I think it's a case where education is required, being fearful about homosexuality is not a normal behavior from an Alpha male. We should be able to deal with that with an open mind. We are losing power away. A lot of guys here complain that SM3 or WM2 or AM6 or AOS is not powerful enough, this is one way to make it more powerful, that is if we are able to handle a guy hitting on us, do we want to be an alpha male or not? is an alpha male afraid to be hit by gay dudes?
if we are not able to do that, well it's disappointing
Maybe you could have two separate subs for different opinions on this. It would probably only be a small tweak. I don't think you can 'educate' men into enjoying the sexual interest of other men, just as you probably can't 'educate' gay men into enjoying the sexual interest of women. I personally would not welcome the interest of men, just as I wouldn't particularly enjoy the interest of obese women with moustaches. Or am I being narrow minded and in need of education there?
Time to adjust a complex script by even one word: seconds.
Time to then verify the grammar and interactivity of the whole script: minutes.
Time to build the change: hours.
Total time required to rebuild a single stage script I changed by one word: on the order of 4 to 13 hours.
(05-26-2016, 05:05 AM)FrostedFake Wrote: [ -> ]If you're still taking suggestions Shannon (I didn't have time to read through all those sudden posts yet), then make the aura make women extremely submissive and compliant to you and make her want to do anything you say because she's so horny (maybe also just in general).
Also I think this one's already in there, but just in case: make women (or I guess whatever sex you like :p) have an uncontrollable urge to have sex with you and makes them pursue and think about sex with you, especially the closer you are to them. Make it an uncontrollable need that short circuits their brain.
Also make it so that women (gender neutral I know lol) can't help but notice you wherever you go (and can't stop staring, almost against their will >
) and make yourself completely and supremely comfortable as the center of attention.
This suggestion is not feasible. You have to consider that some people are naturally dominant. Some people won't want to be made submissive. And the technology required to do this is not even possible through an aura alone, as far as I know.
As to the uncontrollable urge to have sex with you... well, even the most powerful subliminal direct focus aphrodisiac in existence hasn't cracked that code yet - after 10+ years of development. You would be astonished how much control people have concerning things like that. Besides, accomplishing such a thing (uncontrollable) is an extremely intricate issue. Way too complex for this.
Now an urge to have sex with you, that I can do. And that's what it's designed to do. But uncontrollable? Even if I could do that, I wouldn't. That's how forcible rape happens.
And as for the last thing... that's not really a good idea either. That again is the sort of thing that leads to problems. Never against one's will. Get them to make it their will to do, but never force it.
(05-26-2016, 05:06 AM)maxx55 Wrote: [ -> ]Try to fit in as many of CatMan's suggestions as possible please Shannon (mainly the abundance mindset and girls becoming addicted part :p)! Reading it, I totally thought it read like a mini AM/SM combo, but that's GREAT for people who haven't done the full 6 stage programs.
The only thing that I could add would be to KNOW either psychically or on an energetic level that the girl (in my case) wants to have sex. Also, knowing if they are dominant or submissive would be nice. And DEFINITELY adding in manifestations of a wide variety of hot girls (again, in my case) to quickly and effortlessly come into your life as lovers, FWBs, and MLTRs (They constantly approach you too). I think that's the biggest thing
If the manifestations I suggested are added in, I know I will totally get this sometime down the line!
Edit: Also, if you could make it so that the fully accomplished goals of the program rewrite our past memories to make us believe that we've always been that sexy and hot and attractive, that'd be awesome too! I know you said you were working on that technology somewhere.
The program has two different manifestation sequences in it right now. I may reduce that to one. But OE always includes manifestation.
Rewriting past memories is something that can be done, but should not. I'm not going to engage in that sort of thing. Reframing the present, leaving the past in the past, great. But memory manipulation is just bad news.
(05-26-2016, 05:19 AM)terry44 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-26-2016, 05:15 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ]"Freak out", "creeped out", it's based on fear as I just said.
You can be freaked out by something without being scared of it. Like I said before, obese women with moustaches create no fear in me whatsoever, but the thought of sleeping with one would freak me out.
No, you can't. "Freaked out" in the sense you're using it is a direct result of and response to fear. It may not be a fear you are consciously aware of the details of, but it is fear.
(05-26-2016, 05:21 AM)Alpha360 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-26-2016, 04:59 AM)SouthPaw Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon also has to think about his future customers and the ones that don't write much or at all in the forum. Sooo, if let's say 11 out of 9 say they like being checked out and fantasized by men, that really doesn't say much.
And I would like to add that making women extremely wet and this stuff is just perverted and no healthy man would want that. We still want to live our normal lifes and have normal interactions. Not everyone is desperate.
I find how Shannon described it is how it should be "become as sexy and attractive as you can be". Of course without things going out if control which will just backfire.
Unconditional love, gratitude, deservedness and any other positive and healthy additions are always good.
You are derailing the subject or you doesn't understand. No one say they liked being checked out and it's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is to make the sub less bloated and remove a limitation. The goal of the sub to begin with is not to remove unwanted attention from males, it's about being sexy/attractive. If I go even further Shannon could create a sub specifically to remove unwanted attention from males but I don't think he has the time and most people would be able to deal with it without any sub because it is a trivial thing to being with.
Edit:
A question someone could ask himself is the following: if Shannon would create a sub specifically to remove unwanted attention from men would you use it, would you waste your time with that when you could use another sub?
Alpha360, you seem overly concerned with "bloat". I don't make bloated subs. You guys may think so based on inability to see all of what's going on, or maybe because you don't want or like some of the goals, but there's no bloat. They're highly optimized and streamlined, which is why they take so long to build.
And in a script this short, bloat becomes a laughable word choice.
(05-26-2016, 06:33 AM)kenpachi Wrote: [ -> ] (05-26-2016, 06:24 AM)terry44 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-26-2016, 06:14 AM)kenpachi Wrote: [ -> ]If the anti-gay scripting has no negative impact whatsoever on your overall attractiveness levels, whatever, I don't care.
If for the anti-gay scripting to work it means we have to be less attractive overall in order to not attract men, is it worth it?
You can attract more women and tell gay men you're not interested, or attract less women so that gay men don't get interested. Which one's preferable?
It would be ideal if the scripting was focussed on straight women and not doing anything at all to gay men.
Agreed Terry, but I think a sexy person is a sexy person and will attract both genders.
If your brain is telling you to not be sexy to men and sexy to women, it creates a conflict. It's like telling your brain to be taller and not grow in height at the same time. Maybe Shannon could chime in and say whether he thinks repelling one gender is possible without repelling the other?
I believed it was, but based on some of what I read here I am not entirely sure anymore. I certainly have it scripted as best I can, but I'll have to see what my predictive models say for this in a few things.
I think it realisically is possible, but it may be self contradictory. We will find out shortly after this next PM run.