Shannon's Journal Discussion

[chaosvrgn]

And not to mention, NSFM and OAA doesn't just help with cold approach, it helps with ANY kind of seduction attempts.

This sounds like some serious fear of having to say "hello" to a woman, so you're hamstering TALKING TO WOMEN IN PUBLIC as low value.

[posh]

Low value men do cold approach. Go to oxford street London and you will see low value pua pu$$y beggers going around approach women over and over again with no result. There was even vids of a virgin deformed guy cold approaching. Guess what women do not give him the time of day. Hes treated like trash.

If women like you enough they will approach you.

Do you see the likes of justin bieber and drake cold approach??? nah they get approached and the women would do anything to get their sperm. This is basic common sense

What's common sense is this:

You're being completely illogical here by relying on absolute outliers to make your arguments. You went from one end of the spectrum (a virgin deformed guy) to freaking Justin Bieber and Drake, skipping over the entire continuum of below average to average to above average men in the process.

any average or below average men need not bother approaching women. Women pre-select men. They will be treated like trash by women.

[dweller94]

And not to mention, NSFW and OAA doesn't just help with cold approach, it helps with ANY kind of seduction attempts.

Spot on, I for one need this and I can only see it contributing to the goals of DMSI.

[Breeze]

Low value men do cold approach. Go to oxford street London and you will see low value pua pu$$y beggers going around approach women over and over again with no result. There was even vids of a virgin deformed guy cold approaching. Guess what women do not give him the time of day. Hes treated like trash.

If women like you enough they will approach you.

Do you see the likes of justin bieber and drake cold approach??? nah they get approached and the women would do anything to get their sperm. This is basic common sense

What's common sense is this:

You're being completely illogical here by relying on absolute outliers to make your arguments. You went from one end of the spectrum (a virgin deformed guy) to freaking Justin Bieber and Drake, skipping over the entire continuum of below average to average to above average men in the process.

any average or below average men need not bother approaching women. Women pre-select men. They will be treated like trash by women.

Thanks for the laugh.

[Cozy]

I don't care how attractive you are as a man, even if you're Justin Bieber or Drake. As soon as you approach a woman, you are giving up some of your power to her, even if it's temporary. I'd like to see the tables turned and women approach and go through hoops for us.

[Mystic Pymp]

Hey Shannon! Could you please read my journal update I've posted >>HERE<< and offer me the best option for continuation right now? In short I've been using DMSI 2.4 -> 2.5 for 2 months now, switched to 2.4 again yesterday but I'm dealing with some serious neediness for some time now, more so than I can remember in a long time. I see some results from the sub but I can't seem to be able to follow-through on them, so I consider switching to some other, more beneficial sub.

I'll appreciate your output and thanks in advance!

[hsindermann]

Some people's posts here sure sound as if they should get back to a DMSI version with clearing, as they still have pretty heavy emotional baggage with women...

[wolverine_i_am]

Let's keep DMSI focused on being pursued, not the pursuer.

I disagree with this, though I seem to be in the minority thinking this.

Despite the goal it's important to still be able to deal with the fears and stuff so you CAN talk to girls when you want and move it forward instead of being forced to be passive and wait for them to do it.

Or because of having a mentality of "they should be doing it with this program" that you're falling into. I've even seen it to the extreme of someone being like "Oh this woman come right next to me and smiled big at me but I did nothing because she's meant to do it with DMSI".

Maybe not exactly that but close.

Yes it would be cool having these attractive girls talk to me, I do get it occasionally. But I don't feel that the option to talk to them should be eliminated and it sounds like that is where some guys want it to head. Personally I don't, why not the ability for either.

As a side note, coincidentally from my experience as i've had less 'baggage' around initiating myself, for example when it just flows for me, or when some fear is cleared I actually have girls responding better and sometimes initiate with me without me having to. If you still have all the baggage and fear around initiating it also holds them back from initiating. Sounds weird I know, but i've found that's how it has worked.

Well said! I feel like it is turning into this lazy route for many users. They see a girl hovering around and looking at them. "Oh I refuse to do anything, cause the goal of DMSI is supposed to get women to make a move on me." Are you really gonna cockblock yourself? Just make things easier for the both of you. Say hi to her. She is hoping you would, so make it happen.

No one said anything about not responding to women. Shannon's focus for the program is getting women to initiate, not getting the men to do nothing. He's just not promoting men to "do the work," not keeping them from it. Big difference.

Are people worried that, if approached, users will self-cockblock or mess up the opportunity that's presented, thus feeling the inclusion of Natural Seduction will help out? I don't know. I do know that I'll defer to Shannon's expertise. He's the man who writes the script!

Also, Wolverine, since you're a proponent of the "just do it," attitude - and repeatedly call people who aren't cold approaching lazy - how bout you just get laid already, or are you too lazy to escalate? Clearly everyone is at a different place with women, let's have a little leniency with those who aren't where we are, eh?

You're putting words into my mouth now. I didn't say they are lazy cause they refuse to cold approach per se. I believe it isn't for everyone. I used 'lazy' to refer to people who make comments that they shouldn't have to do anything and it's all up to the girl to make a move on him. I'm not the only one who shares these thoughts either. If you're afraid to make a move and all, it's fine to admit it. We have all struggled with that. That's why we may need OAA and NSFM in the program. But like Ben said earlier, cause of the design goals of DMSI, it's making a lotta guys lazy thinking they needn't do anything cause they expect DMSI to do all the work for them (getting the girl to come up to them and seduce them all the way). What I'm saying is stop treating DMSI as the magic pill.

[chaosvrgn]

I don't care how attractive you are as a man, even if you're Justin Bieber or Drake. As soon as you approach a woman, you are giving up some of your power to her, even if it's temporary. I'd like to see the tables turned and women approach and go through hoops for us.

What the fuck is happening to this forum?!

Yes, it's going to be nice to see the tables turned and watch them approach us, but giving away your power? No -- your power lies in your expansive, masculine and natural inclination toward action. Not to mention, would you even know how to handle a 9/10 coming on to you in the mall in front of everyone?

Some of ya'll can't even say hello to a woman, and you're railing against Shannon including training on how to do so... but you think you can handle sudden leaps of attraction?

[Cozy]

I don't care how attractive you are as a man, even if you're Justin Bieber or Drake. As soon as you approach a woman, you are giving up some of your power to her, even if it's temporary. I'd like to see the tables turned and women approach and go through hoops for us.

What the **** is happening to this forum?!

Yes, it's going to be nice to see the tables turned and watch them approach us, but giving away your power? No -- your power lies in your expansive, masculine and natural inclination toward action. Not to mention, would you even know how to handle a 9/10 coming on to you in the mall in front of everyone?

Some of ya'll can't even say hello to a woman, and you're railing against Shannon including training on how to do so... but you think you can handle sudden leaps of attraction?

As a matter of fact I would lol, it wouldn't be a big deal to me, I would treat her like anyone else. Don't project your limitations onto me.

[RTBoss]

Let's keep DMSI focused on being pursued, not the pursuer.

I disagree with this, though I seem to be in the minority thinking this.

Despite the goal it's important to still be able to deal with the fears and stuff so you CAN talk to girls when you want and move it forward instead of being forced to be passive and wait for them to do it.

Or because of having a mentality of "they should be doing it with this program" that you're falling into. I've even seen it to the extreme of someone being like "Oh this woman come right next to me and smiled big at me but I did nothing because she's meant to do it with DMSI".

Maybe not exactly that but close.

Yes it would be cool having these attractive girls talk to me, I do get it occasionally. But I don't feel that the option to talk to them should be eliminated and it sounds like that is where some guys want it to head. Personally I don't, why not the ability for either.

As a side note, coincidentally from my experience as i've had less 'baggage' around initiating myself, for example when it just flows for me, or when some fear is cleared I actually have girls responding better and sometimes initiate with me without me having to. If you still have all the baggage and fear around initiating it also holds them back from initiating. Sounds weird I know, but i've found that's how it has worked.

Well said! I feel like it is turning into this lazy route for many users. They see a girl hovering around and looking at them. "Oh I refuse to do anything, cause the goal of DMSI is supposed to get women to make a move on me." Are you really gonna cockblock yourself? Just make things easier for the both of you. Say hi to her. She is hoping you would, so make it happen.

No one said anything about not responding to women. Shannon's focus for the program is getting women to initiate, not getting the men to do nothing. He's just not promoting men to "do the work," not keeping them from it. Big difference.

Are people worried that, if approached, users will self-cockblock or mess up the opportunity that's presented, thus feeling the inclusion of Natural Seduction will help out? I don't know. I do know that I'll defer to Shannon's expertise. He's the man who writes the script!

Also, Wolverine, since you're a proponent of the "just do it," attitude - and repeatedly call people who aren't cold approaching lazy - how bout you just get laid already, or are you too lazy to escalate? Clearly everyone is at a different place with women, let's have a little leniency with those who aren't where we are, eh?

You're putting words into my mouth now. I didn't say they are lazy cause they refuse to cold approach per se. I believe it isn't for everyone. I used 'lazy' to refer to people who make comments that they shouldn't have to do anything and it's all up to the girl to make a move on him. I'm not the only one who shares these thoughts either. If you're afraid to make a move and all, it's fine to admit it. We have all struggled with that. That's why we may need OAA and NSFM in the program. But like Ben said earlier, cause of the design goals of DMSI, it's making a lotta guys lazy thinking they needn't do anything cause they expect DMSI to do all the work for them (getting the girl to come up to them and seduce them all the way). What I'm saying is stop treating DMSI as the magic pill.

Thanks for clarifying. I think a lot of these guys are just plain afraid. Like Chaos said, they want to be approached and experience the high attraction, but if it happened, would they know how to handle it?

People who don't have any social skills are probably SOL with this sub. Teaching people what to do after being approached or while interacting with women in general is beyond the scope of DMSI. Even so, it will be nice to see reports like, "I got asked to fuck today, and I said 'You're not perfect but I like your fat sacks, they're really big!' and then she slapped me across the face.'" hahaha

[Shannon]

Hi Shannon!

The other day, you mentioned how you were spending the whole day working on DMSI V3.0.1.

How did that go? And how far along is it, when can we expect it's release? (As you can tell, I am eager to get the "self sabotage" and "removing limiting beliefs" programming, lol). I remember you said sometime in November, I just wanted to know how it's progressing as it sounds like a VERY juicy upgrade.

No lie, it will be an early Christmas present to me.

That day was spent working on the 6G prototype, because there are some very interesting developments going on in terms of reality bending/overcoming resistance/neutralizing self sabotage coming up in the 6G prototype that I want in 3.0. So it was sort of working on one to develop the other.

Having a hard time finding sufficient time for this lately, but that's going to change real quick. I'm going to set some boundaries, because people start thinking that I can spend my time doing whatever just because I am working from home now.

People are strange that way. "Oh, you work from home? Obviously you don't really work so let's **** around and do useless shit that wastes your time." Seems to be the thinking.

So what Beast variation are you on now? Beast 10?

Still working on Beast 9. Been working mostly on DMSI, MIR2, MHS.

[Shannon]

I can't seem to find the answer on the forums. Simple question.

I'll be finishing BASE in december. How many days/weeks do I have to wait till I can do the following? Still undecided but i'll opt for one of these options. Not sure what the proper break time should be.
a) run another 5g subliminal 1 stager or
b) rerun BASE

I suggest 1 to 4, according to what feels right for you.

[Shannon]

Hi Shannon, if I'm resisting a program, why would I feel calm and relaxed when the program is playing and only feel resistance when I'm not playing it?

Is it because I myself am not resisting the program but my reality / the people around me are? Is it because my personality is not ready to handle the change? Or maybe because I'm depending on these people?

It's possible that what you're experiencing isn't resistance.

It's possible that you are resisting execution, which is not happening during input mode because so much priority is being put on input processing, decoding, comprehension and storage.

Could be other things, but I can't say.