Subliminal Talk

(07-06-2016, 12:13 AM)guarimen Wrote: [ -> ]it's been a while i use base 2.0 and i want to upgrade it to 2.1
how long base 2.1 duration? still 1 hour 20 minutes?

and i'm not seeing md5hash base 2.1 in shanon journal.

Yes, I believe it's 80 or 120 minutes.

The MD5 sums will either be in a text file with the download, or I have not calculated them.

(07-06-2016, 02:10 AM)"Q Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-05-2016, 03:03 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]all of the people between the legal age of sexual consent and the maximum age I am willing to have sex with, of the gender I am sexually attracted to

Is there any possibility (from word rate increases, and text-to-audio technology) that the user's brain hears "attractive", instead of "attracted". i.e. if the words per minute have been increased so much that the specific word can sound ambiguous on the resulting audio track, or at least the user hears it ambiguously, so interprets it as "attractive". If there is a possibility of that happening, that is a big change in dynamic to what the target will be. I suspect it might already have an influence on V2.1.

In the case of V2.1, if it was misinterpreted, then that would limit the "targets" to only the people that find the user "attractive", and not the other way around.

I felt that the structure, "...that I find attractive" (which some members have expressed) is more clear cut.
i.e."...all people above the legal age of sexual consent, of the gender I find sexually attractive..."

Note: From the perspective of an all-inclusive program, would the singular word "gender" still work for 'bi'-users in attracting both

I already modeled both phrasings. There was a big difference in results, clearly indicating that the subconscious fully understands each one as intended.

The singular of the word gender applies to all individual instances within a multiplicity. For example, let's say that we have a user who buys into the facebook idea of 50+ "genders", and they have decided that they are attracted to 37 of these 50+ "genders".

The subconscious hears the word "gender" and does this:

"Is this person of the gender I find attractive? I don't know if they even know about all these genders, and I don't know what gender they claim for themselves, so I have to consider the probability that they would choose a gender I don't know about. Therefore, I will presume that they are or are not of the gender I am attracted to by their physical sexual characteristics."

If the person has a beard and tits, and this is something you are sexually attracted to, then guess what happens?

(07-06-2016, 03:36 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-06-2016, 02:10 AM)"Q Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-05-2016, 03:03 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]all of the people between the legal age of sexual consent and the maximum age I am willing to have sex with, of the gender I am sexually attracted to

Is there any possibility (from word rate increases, and text-to-audio technology) that the user's brain hears "attractive", instead of "attracted". i.e. if the words per minute have been increased so much that the specific word can sound ambiguous on the resulting audio track, or at least the user hears it ambiguously, so interprets it as "attractive". If there is a possibility of that happening, that is a big change in dynamic to what the target will be. I suspect it might already have an influence on V2.1.

In the case of V2.1, if it was misinterpreted, then that would limit the "targets" to only the people that find the user "attractive", and not the other way around.

I felt that the structure, "...that I find attractive" (which some members have expressed) is more clear cut.
i.e."...all people above the legal age of sexual consent, of the gender I find sexually attractive..."

Note: From the perspective of an all-inclusive program, would the singular word "gender" still work for 'bi'-users in attracting both

I already modeled both phrasings. There was a big difference in results, clearly indicating that the subconscious fully understands each one as intended.

The singular of the word gender applies to all individual instances within a multiplicity. For example, let's say that we have a user who buys into the facebook idea of 50+ "genders", and they have decided that they are attracted to 37 of these 50+ "genders".

The subconscious hears the word "gender" and does this:

"Is this person of the gender I find attractive? I don't know if they even know about all these genders, and I don't know what gender they claim for themselves, so I have to consider the probability that they would choose a gender I don't know about. Therefore, I will presume that they are or are not of the gender I am attracted to by their physical sexual characteristics."

If the person has a beard and tits, and this is something you are sexually attracted to, then guess what happens?

Beard-goggles?

(07-06-2016, 03:07 AM)swisston Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-05-2016, 03:03 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]all of the people between the legal age of sexual consent and the maximum age I am willing to have sex with, of the gender I am sexually attracted to

But what if we aren't 'willing to have sex with' them?

Finding someone visually appealing is a long way off wanting to have sex with them for me. I would need to meet them first... which probably isn't going to happen if the aura doesn't attract them.

On top of that, for those of us in a relationship, it pretty much rules out everyone! Isn't it basically an off switch as soon as you are 'committed'? I am not 'willing to have sex with' most women I find highly desirable because that would upset my other half. I might secretly want to, but that's different. And I might be persuaded under the right circumstances!

I would just remove the phrase 'I am willing to have sex with' and maybe the word 'sexually' too

Good old Swisston, always the contrarian.

Willing to have sex with, and want to, or ready to, or going to, not the same thing.

But, I would say that the goals of this program conflict with what you want. So unless I find a way to override your fears and resultant resistance, and cause you to act on opportunities that result regardless of your LTR, you are likely to get nowhere because you won't allow yourself to execute the script because it's goal directly conflicts with yours!

I personally don't think it will ever be possible for me to please all of you.

If I try to please those of you who are single, then those of you who are involved will be unhappy. If I try to do the reverse, then the unhappiness inverts with it.

I am aiming this at pleasing the majority.

If we attract everyone of the gender you are attracted to, the models show an almost neutral response from the user base. On a scale of -10 to +10, it rated a +1. This is likely because there is so much energy going out that results are not great, and lots of undesired people are responding.

I have modeled your suggestions, and several variants, and this is what I find.

Your original suggestion rates a +5 in the model on the aforementioned scale. I will not accept anything less than +8.

Secondary suggestion rates +3.

I took the liberty of exploring various other wordings, and found one that rates +9, equal to the one I already mentioned. This one has been accepted for consideration:

Quote:all of the attractive people of the gender I am sexually attracted to, who want to seduce me into having sex with them

(07-06-2016, 03:49 AM)jacksonchandra Wrote: [ -> ]I just read Shannon's Journal about hours ago and He said that some people just disappointed with DMSI 2.1. Why?

There are people who do not understand that when something is "in testing", it's not finished yet and may not produce the desired results, or may not produced them as quickly as possible.

There are people who don't understand that something might not be instant in it's effect. It might take time to build up. Some people expect everything to be instant gratification.

There are those people who assume that everything I put out has to be perfect, because I have only released finished products in the past, instead of letting you guys test.

Some people are using this as an opportunity to "prove" or "disprove" subliminals.

etc. etc.

(07-06-2016, 03:16 PM)Hercules Wrote: [ -> ]I've been using EPHRA for 4 months now and I can attest to the monk nature of this sub. It's really making time pass by until late I release enough trauma to start a new beginning. Although I have encountered unpleasant experiences with this sub I realize that the subconscious knows best and these experiences will help me in the end to grow. I want to be emotionaly free 100% and stop absorbing the negative traumas from other people. I guess I am supposed to take on others pain and transmute it but that is a whole other story.

Interesting about 'taking on others pain' scenario. Different people have a Gift, of 'Empath.' Perhaps, you can look it up and research it

(07-06-2016, 04:18 AM)Jones Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-06-2016, 03:07 AM)swisston Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-05-2016, 03:03 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]all of the people between the legal age of sexual consent and the maximum age I am willing to have sex with, of the gender I am sexually attracted to

But what if we aren't 'willing to have sex with' them?

Finding someone visually appealing is a long way off wanting to have sex with them for me. I would need to meet them first... which probably isn't going to happen if the aura doesn't attract them.

On top of that, for those of us in a relationship, it pretty much rules out everyone! Isn't it basically an off switch as soon as you are 'committed'? I am not 'willing to have sex with' most women I find highly desirable because that would upset my other half. I might secretly want to, but that's different. And I might be persuaded under the right circumstances!

I would just remove the phrase 'I am willing to have sex with' and maybe the word 'sexually' too

I agree. Perhaps changing "willing to" into "want to."

The idea for this sub is to attract [women] for sex. Those of us who have relationships may not be willing to have sex with them, but the "dread game" that an LTR sometimes needs... sometimes benefits from some good, old-fashioned jealousy. and you ain't going to get jealousy from the old lady without blatant hits from the young hotties.

This would also work equally well for the single dogs out there.

I modeled want to, consciously want to, subconsciously want to, consciously and subconsciously want to, and all of those variants for willing to as well. None passed.

(07-06-2016, 03:55 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-06-2016, 03:07 AM)swisston Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-05-2016, 03:03 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]all of the people between the legal age of sexual consent and the maximum age I am willing to have sex with, of the gender I am sexually attracted to

But what if we aren't 'willing to have sex with' them?

Finding someone visually appealing is a long way off wanting to have sex with them for me. I would need to meet them first... which probably isn't going to happen if the aura doesn't attract them.

On top of that, for those of us in a relationship, it pretty much rules out everyone! Isn't it basically an off switch as soon as you are 'committed'? I am not 'willing to have sex with' most women I find highly desirable because that would upset my other half. I might secretly want to, but that's different. And I might be persuaded under the right circumstances!

I would just remove the phrase 'I am willing to have sex with' and maybe the word 'sexually' too

Good old Swisston, always the contrarian.

Willing to have sex with, and want to, or ready to, or going to, not the same thing.

But, I would say that the goals of this program conflict with what you want. So unless I find a way to override your fears and resultant resistance, and cause you to act on opportunities that result regardless of your LTR, you are likely to get nowhere because you won't allow yourself to execute the script because it's goal directly conflicts with yours!

I personally don't think it will ever be possible for me to please all of you.

If I try to please those of you who are single, then those of you who are involved will be unhappy. If I try to do the reverse, then the unhappiness inverts with it.

I am aiming this at pleasing the majority.

If we attract everyone of the gender you are attracted to, the models show an almost neutral response from the user base. On a scale of -10 to +10, it rated a +1. This is likely because there is so much energy going out that results are not great, and lots of undesired people are responding.

I have modeled your suggestions, and several variants, and this is what I find.

Your original suggestion rates a +5 in the model on the aforementioned scale. I will not accept anything less than +8.

Secondary suggestion rates +3.

I took the liberty of exploring various other wordings, and found one that rates +9, equal to the one I already mentioned. This one has been accepted for consideration:

Quote:all of the attractive people of the gender I am sexually attracted to, who want to seduce me into having sex with them

I kind of like the 'willing to have sex with' script :

(07-06-2016, 05:36 AM)Boozy32 Wrote: [ -> ]Hey shannon,
I am using US and Luck Mag. I use US during the night. It's been a week now. I started dreaming bad dreams during the night. Breathing diff according to my gf. Ones I dreamed that I killed someone badly. And the other night I dreamed that I got killed by my sis. Anyway today I dreamed something bad too I just can't remember it as my gf woke me up for breathing diff and screaming. After that I immediately dreamed being so lucky and someone got me a new car. Is the bad dreams normal? Can't be avoided? What should I expect?

Also regarding the exposure. I use US during the night for 6hrs and Luck Mag during the day for 6hrs. Is this a correct way? One last thing, I feel my head is so heavy it's kinda headache. Is that because of me over listening? Should I take a break? I believe that am not getting enough exposure from Luck Mag as I try to listen to it during the day for at least 4 hours

Obviously there is something you are afraid of in either being successful or being "lucky". Bad dreams usually result when there is fear of or conflict with the goal of the program or stage you are doing.

6 hours each, one during the night and one during the day sounds reasonable. Just make sure they have equal amounts of time between each (6 hours, in this case). 6 hours US, 6 hours nothing, 6 hours LM, 6 hours nothing.

If you're feeling heavy an getting a headache, that can be be because of resistance, overvoluming, or overlistening. I would say overvolume and resistance sound like the most likely explanations to me.

(07-06-2016, 06:36 AM)Havana Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know much about auras, so here's a couple questions. I believe that my subconscious protected me from opening up to people and being social because of my sensitive nature and being hurt in the past. This resulted in many years of loneliness and depression. Is it possible I have developed a "protective" aura of unfriendliness/unapproachability? If so, is this my "default" aura? If after few months I stop using an aura-generating sub, will it revert back? Or is it possible to have no aura whatsoever?

It's likely that you are protecting yourself through body language, actions, choices, attitudes,tuning your energy, and other things. And if that is the case and you get these results for years, then yes, that would be your default communication. It would likely revert back unless you overwrite or heal what is causing it now.

Everyone has an aura, simply as a result of being alive, regardless of what they want.

(07-06-2016, 10:21 AM)eternitys_child Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-06-2016, 05:55 AM)coldfact Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-06-2016, 04:14 AM)swisston Wrote: [ -> ]I'm pretty confident, but have never felt sexually desirable, despite being in good shape and not bad looking. I want to to be sexually attractive to women. That may indeed be for ego to a large extent, but I would also like to see where it leads my life. I am exploring my sexual side a bit more these days.

Feel exactly the same way.

I think I am 'desirable' in various ways to different degrees (financially, intellectually, physically)... but not sure about sexually (do I give off too much of either a nice guy or not interested vibe?!). Would be nice to know and feel that I am also sexually desirable.... to all sorts of women! More to do with confidence boosting than "ego stroking"

I highly suggest you both to consider doing sm3, and e2 if you haven't already. Sm3 is full fledged sexual development, it seems like that's what you both are looking for. Sm3 did some work in me to make me feel desirable sexually, and then e2 afterwards helped me conquer remaining insecuritis about my sexuality. I wanna run dmsi as much as everyone else, and it is still on the table as far as options for me, but I am seriously considering re running sm3. It's become sort of the underdog, now that dmsi has been put into open beta testing, even though it seems like what everyone really really wants is to be a sex magnet.

And swisston, I hear you on wanting to explore your sexuality. E2 actually balanced me to the point where consciously and subconsciously, I genuinely believe(d) that I am capable and deserving of a sex life that may at times include more than one woman. Never even knew that would be a side effect of emotional healing, let alone did I even know that I subconsciously didn't believe that it was possible for me, even after running sm3 once.


That's my two cents

P.s. for the folks that have depression during e2, once you step beyond the depression with the assistance of e2, your life will be forever changed. I remember going thru that in my run, it got to a point where everything was falling to crap, and then to make matters worse my cat got run over, so I was in a world of pain. But once I broke thru via e2, I became a glowing beacon of light, so to speak. I was so filled with self love and freedom to be myself, people were basically treating me like a celebrity. And that only compounded my confidence levels... but I had to get through the depression first!!!

You are a 'Celebrity' to us

Quote:it's been a while i use base 2.0 and i want to upgrade it to 2.1
how long base 2.1 duration? still 1 hour 20 minutes?

and i'm not seeing md5hash base 2.1 in shanon journal.

If you have brought the program then the upgrade to 2.1 is free. If you didn't buy it then you probably shouldn't be asking for that kind of help on here.

(07-06-2016, 09:05 AM)LionKing Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-05-2016, 10:13 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-05-2016, 09:43 AM)Natious Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-05-2016, 01:53 AM)LionKing Wrote: [ -> ]...

Interesting, this seems alike to my current experience with E2. Similar to yours, my journey is filled with a lot of apathy and depression. Late at night while almost falling asleep AND when waking up staying in bed are the moments when I discover a lot of things while reflecting on my thoughts.

I wonder if the depression will fade at any point, because it's a little debilitating. Maybe it's because I don't want to do the things I thought I did. Maybe it just accompanies big change and things that once seemed to matter, no longer do.
It's not easy seeing progress on E2, even thought there's constantly this feeling that something is indeed changing.

The weirdest thing is when some days I realize that I have changed in a particular way. The very next day it's no longer true. So is it change? Why the reversal?

Waking up and falling asleep is when the conscious and subconscious are at balance, and so communicate most easily between themselves.

Depression is, as far as I can see, usually caused by subconsciously feeling hopeless and/or angry. It is very likely that E2 is pushing you to deal with a fear you're trying hard to avoid, but can't. That could result in depression.

When you consciously notice a change and then the next day it's not true, what has happened is that you consciously changed back to what was previously, usually because the change scares you. Sometimes, changes need to be taken in baby steps, and occasionally, they need to be taken two steps forward, one step back.

I hope it does pass and for you Natious; I've noticed I can relate quite well to some of your posts in your journal - its insightful.

Agreed with Shannon: at least my depression does seem to stem for hopelessness and anger now that he said it. There's a certain way I'd like to be and life this life, but especially when I stop E2 for a couple of days I'll find there's a strong, debilitating feeling of hopelessness and powerlessness wrt. to achieving that. I want to feel confident, energetic, driven, playful, but of course also open, happy, and kind & loving in my own way. On E2 I have this feeling that its forcing me towards this 100% content, passive & blissful way of being - which would be fine except that I feel it takes away every tool I have to go for what I want, so I feel powerless but try to fight it -> hopelessness, anger -> depression, and then its starts to cycle down. I think the next step with E2 would just be let go of everything, but I'm not at all sure I can or want to do that. That represents death to me, in some way. Hopelessness, anger, depression - feeling those in my body I of course think "I should do more E2", but.. can I let go of wanting to be dominant and excited to settle for walking alone in parks looking at nature? Its always taken me effort to reach the states that I desire, so I think if I let go of that effort, then that's me giving up, because its not gonna happen otherwise. Sure, maybe I'd start spontaneously talking to people more, but become masculine and sexy again? Become directed when I'm programmed to release all tension? Then again, E2 offers peace - is there peace on AM/SM? At least I thought there was. Weird.

I definitely need to change something. E2 sort of feels good for it, but I'm just not sure I understand where its taking me enough to trust it.

It is aiming you toward a state in which you are fully healed and living in a way that makes you happy. You have to do what is necessary before what is desired, or you will never have what is desired because you don't have what is necessary to get there.

Quote:but I'm just not sure I understand where its taking me enough to trust it

It? It is just a set of instructions that will guide you to a state of being healed, and emotionally happy and healthy. I think you "don't trust it" because you want what you want more than you want what you need, and you're afraid you might not be able to get what you want after you get what you need.

Build a house on sand, or build it on stone. Takes the same time to build the house itself. But the house lasts a lot longer on stone because that is what it needs to stay strong.

(07-06-2016, 10:38 AM)Natious Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-06-2016, 09:05 AM)LionKing Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-05-2016, 10:13 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-05-2016, 09:43 AM)Natious Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-05-2016, 01:53 AM)LionKing Wrote: [ -> ]...

Interesting, this seems alike to my current experience with E2. Similar to yours, my journey is filled with a lot of apathy and depression. Late at night while almost falling asleep AND when waking up staying in bed are the moments when I discover a lot of things while reflecting on my thoughts.

I wonder if the depression will fade at any point, because it's a little debilitating. Maybe it's because I don't want to do the things I thought I did. Maybe it just accompanies big change and things that once seemed to matter, no longer do.
It's not easy seeing progress on E2, even thought there's constantly this feeling that something is indeed changing.

The weirdest thing is when some days I realize that I have changed in a particular way. The very next day it's no longer true. So is it change? Why the reversal?

Waking up and falling asleep is when the conscious and subconscious are at balance, and so communicate most easily between themselves.

Depression is, as far as I can see, usually caused by subconsciously feeling hopeless and/or angry. It is very likely that E2 is pushing you to deal with a fear you're trying hard to avoid, but can't. That could result in depression.

When you consciously notice a change and then the next day it's not true, what has happened is that you consciously changed back to what was previously, usually because the change scares you. Sometimes, changes need to be taken in baby steps, and occasionally, they need to be taken two steps forward, one step back.

I hope it does pass and for you Natious; I've noticed I can relate quite well to some of your posts in your journal - its insightful.

Agreed with Shannon: at least my depression does seem to stem for hopelessness and anger now that he said it. There's a certain way I'd like to be and life this life, but especially when I stop E2 for a couple of days I'll find there's a strong, debilitating feeling of hopelessness and powerlessness wrt. to achieving that. I want to feel confident, energetic, driven, playful, but of course also open, happy, and kind & loving in my own way. On E2 I have this feeling that its forcing me towards this 100% content, passive & blissful way of being - which would be fine except that I feel it takes away every tool I have to go for what I want, so I feel powerless but try to fight it -> hopelessness, anger -> depression, and then its starts to cycle down. I think the next step with E2 would just be let go of everything, but I'm not at all sure I can or want to do that. That represents death to me, in some way. Hopelessness, anger, depression - feeling those in my body I of course think "I should do more E2", but.. can I let go of wanting to be dominant and excited to settle for walking alone in parks looking at nature? Its always taken me effort to reach the states that I desire, so I think if I let go of that effort, then that's me giving up, because its not gonna happen otherwise. Sure, maybe I'd start spontaneously talking to people more, but become masculine and sexy again? Become directed when I'm programmed to release all tension? Then again, E2 offers peace - is there peace on AM/SM? At least I thought there was. Weird.

I definitely need to change something. E2 sort of feels good for it, but I'm just not sure I understand where its taking me enough to trust it.

It's like your writing my thoughts with your keyboard.

I have a feeling that E2 is a kind of program that you need to use in a cave and wait out until it is finished. It's like putting your life on a pause. This might be more suited for older people who are done with all the pursuing of dreams and want to just lay back, feed birds and think about their life.

This is not me saying that this program doesn't work. I just expected this journey to be different. I expected more positivity, enjoyment of socializing and not so much feeling weak and insecure 24/7.

I want to make it sound more positive for Shannon's sake, but I don't think I can while giving honest feedback according to my pov.

I am uncertain about running this for 6+ months now. My aim is not to be a bird feeder in a 25 year old body, but rather be driven to build something BIG and live a great life.

Maybe E2 is more suitable as an addition to bigger programs. Which is what Shannon is planning for the future as I understand.

Quote:This might be more suited for older people who are done with all the pursuing of dreams and want to just lay back, feed birds and think about their life.

When you have a psychotic break, and you're in a mental hospital, do you go out every night looking for pussy? Or do you stay indoors and rest and work on healing?

The program is designed to get you to focus on healing, dealing with what you need to deal with while healing and repairing yourself, and achieving those goals. It is deep internal work. Of course you're going to be pausing everything else. That's what it takes to achieve the goals.

By the time you're "done with all the pursuing of dreams and want to just lay back, feed birds and think about their life", it's too late for this program to help you achieve your dreams. Think about that.