Subliminal Talk

I haven't responded to the posts I am going to respond to since my last post in this thread, but I will say this... that I have two partially full bottles of that version of A314, and they're very rarely used.

(11-01-2016, 04:18 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I haven't responded to the posts I am going to respond to since my last post in this thread, but I will say this... that I have two partially full bottles of that version of A314, and they're very rarely used.

Oh my god...I've heard so much about it, I wish I could still buy it from them. Seems other stuff on the market now comes nowhere NEAR what that thing did in it's prime.

This is what I am:



Jelly.

(11-01-2016, 11:35 AM)bits Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, I know you have hormone optimization in DMSI but if you have the ability to target certain hormones or pheromones for production, please target 3ß-Androstanediol:

Quote:3ß-Androstanediol (probaby also it's sulfate) - the elusive alpha and fallout molecule, it very likely is this one (or the two) and it's Alpha-Isomer, 3a-Androstanediol, the famous female orgsam enhancer and "lubing agent".

It's obvious. Nevertheless and astonishing it's not used by vendors thus far. It took years and years before someone - read: me - had the ingenuity and persistence to actually consult the literature and connect the dots.
So mark the 1.11.2016, and remember who gave it to you, it's the return of magic to your future alpha-mixes and I claim the fame.

- Everything posted below is backed up by state-of-the art research and current medical consensus, but I will not provide references here. Anybody interested may contact me via pm. -


1. It is closely linked to Androsterone and DHT in the steroid-genesis pathway. It's actually only one enzymatic step away from both, on two different pathways respectively.
Everybody knows the importance of Androsterone to a pheromone-signature.
DHT is the most potent androgenic hormone in the body. 3ß-Andiol links and regulates both, keeping them in homeostasis.

2. While DHT is potently androgenic it is a substance that is can be either very beneficial or very harmful to human health. The physiological environment is crucial. 3ß-Anediol is the key. All studies indicate that a strong and healthy androgen-metabolism correlates with a certain relation of quantity between 3ß-Anediol and DHT, with 3ß-Anediol levels being higher than DHT. Very simply put: Many think high DHT means very masculine ... well not quite. High 3ß-Anediol, the product of enzymatic degradation of DHT, means very masculine - and a physiology able to deal with it.

3. It positively regulates oxytocin-neurons in the hypothalamus - indicating both alpha and fallout potential. Ideally Oxytocin will prompt yourself to be protective and emphatic to not only your kin and lover, but all persons valuable, beneficial and useful to yourlife (friends, colleauges, professionals you seek and get advice from). Looking after them and maintain beneficial relations is the primary social trait of an alpha-male. Oxy is essential to that. But Oxy is not the lovey-dovey molecule the manstream think it is. It can also, by way of being protective to said group of persons, prompt highly aggressive and protective behaviour - the alpha will protect it's clan to the end, not backing down.

When others are affected by 3ß-Anediol, they will sense that traits/signal. Females sense the protective high status alpha-male and males will seek you as a leader or an ally, depending on their social status. The Oxytocin-regulating action means that you ill have an emphatic and imprinting bonus, making 3ß-Anediol superior to Androsterone in that regard. Androsterone will promote rivlary among alphas, 3ß-Anediol cooperation.

4. 3ß-Anediol is not an allosteric modularor of GABAa, unlike Androsterone. This is useful in a phero-blend. Androsterone alone can be too dampening, especially alongside molecules like -Etrione that make you sleepy. 3ß-Anediol is cognitive enhancing, anxiolytic and stress-relieving via the oxytocin mediated action. It will act in concert with Androsterone, making this combination a mental tonic (like coffeine+theanine). It is not a negative allosteric modulator like exitatory neurosterids that will often clash with positive modulators like androsterone and therefore result in the well known phero-crashes or headaches.

5. Androsterone and 3ß-Anediol are both naturally occuring in deer musk, indictaing that a) 3ß-Anediol is in fact an excreted pheromone b) Androsterone and 3ß-Anediol are a naturaly occuring pairing and c) is a safe substance, used for centuries as medicine and perfumery.
The fact that androsterone and 3ß-Anediol occur together in deer mus is no surprise given the described metbolic relation and is another strong hint that they profit greatly from each other when used in alongside.


According to what I can gather from various source, 3ß-Anediol was relatively easy to obtain before 2011, becoming more restricted and expensive very quickly after that. Those who are versed in the history of a certain famous alpha-blend will probably find that intruiging.

A special thanks goes to Ekscentra and NP17 who theorized that a cetain famous alpha blend, contrary to popular beliefy was not based on Androsterone but another putative molecule, with Androsterone nevertehless being an important second. It's probably 3ß-Anediol guys. p106 or p90 o some such osik, who cares how they code their shit, it is this molecule.

And the isomer, 3a Anediol, also one of the staples. MHarris knew his stuff and he certainly knew how deer musk was composed.

Read what 3-Androstanediol does:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3%CE%B1-An...20646182-8

especially

http://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743...8/abstract

Also anti-convulsant and anxiolytic. You can figure out which coded Putative that is, it's plainly obvious.

It seems this is the key to androtics a314 rev.23 and love-scent's a314 which as i'm sure you remember was quite the freight train of a mix. Reading more about it its very likely that this was the secret ingredient in the pheromone mix max attract gold since they had a sudden change of formula in 2011. That mix was absolutely legendary. MAG was probably the only pheromone would you could really just stand near a girl, have her attracted, open you, and sleep with you without doing much of anything.

Thinking back to my experiences this is about as primal as a molecule can get - it made women deeply attracted and aroused, made them put an almost insane level of trust in me, and had women almost feel honored that I would have sex with them. It has so far been the only mone where women have explicitly told me they NEEDED my dick inside them, they would be willing to do anything.

My most memorable experience was a former model paying my tuition with her rich ex-husbands alimony and offering to buy me a car. She tried really hard to get me to marry her and the quote I remember the most from her was "i don't know what is, you're not even old enough to drink, but I feel like I can put my life in your hands and i feel like I need to have your babies".

She really tried to pull out all the stops, at first she wanted me all to herself but she realized I didn't want anything serious and would flat out say she would be okay with sharing me, she arranged threesomes, introduced me to new women, and constantly told me "whenever you need sex just call me and ill drop everything" and she really did.

She had to move to take care of family but still talks to me on facebook sometimes and says she constantly fantasizes about me cumming inside her even though its been years since we met. She's in her early 40s now but still looks amazingly hot and looks closer to 30.

She had the most overt response but what was shocking to me is that she had millionaires, 1 billionaire, and celebs/athletes chasing her while she laid in bed next to me. All their looks, money, status, etc meant nothing to her. The reactions on other women weren't as intense (i was going after women in women in their early 20s) but very similar.

They would be deeply attracted, highly trusting, very submissive, and constantly beg me to come inside them. MAG and a314 rev.23 were really the only mixes where I would see women really trying to prove themselves in bed, as if I was doing them a favor by letting them sleep with me .

Im not a huge fan of the caveman analogies but I think this molecule is as close as it gets, this turns you into the alpha, king, genghis khan, etc. Men are supposed to follow your every lead and women should be honored they get to have sex with you over one of your peasants.

If you can target certain hormones, or at least recreate their effects, I may have to spring the $5000 for a custom job because I only have 1 bottle of rev.23 left and need to save it for very special occasions



I think DMSI is close to recreating this, what would be missing IMO is the trust and "protected" aura - it may also be why some guys are getting aggression from other men. If a ruler/king is loved by his people they trust him and they know he's looking out for them, when they feel like their ruler/king is against them they rebel and turn hostile.

I know i've mentioned it a lot but I think that feeling of being protected by a man is irresistible to women, i'm sure my experiences with mones have created a bias in that direction but for some reason it keeps popping up in my head as a key factor.

I would have it affect everyone not just women though, a314 had good effects on women but also great effects on men especially in terms of career advancement.

Quote:When others are affected by 3ß-Anediol, they will sense that traits/signal. Females sense the protective high status alpha-male and males will seek you as a leader or an ally, depending on their social status. The Oxytocin-regulating action means that you ill have an emphatic and imprinting bonus, making 3ß-Anediol superior to Androsterone in that regard. Androsterone will promote rivlary among alphas, 3ß-Anediol cooperation.

I noticed that for sure, guys with way more status than me helping me in social and business situations. Its the only reason my older brother has the job he does, because this 50yo big shot exec bumped into me at a bar and started sucking up to me and put him in touch with the right people.

I theoretically can target specific end result pheromones, but it would require a vastly more complex method than I use right now. Right now I am using the equivalent of a hardware abstraction later built in to the "operating system", and what would be different is that I would have to "hard code the direct route".

In other words, right now, I am effectively saying to the subconscious... "I want end results A, B and C. Figure out how to get there safely, and then do that." If I tried to do it directly, I would have to somehow find a way to communicate what chemistry I needed ingested to extract the precursor molecules, which precursor molecules to extract, and exactly what to do with them. How do I communicate this to the subconscious, when I don't know the chemical requirements directly, and the subconscious may not know what 3ß-Androstanediol is, or any of the precursor chemistry?

It would stall development for literally years, and give no guarantee of success. So I will remain with the HAL method. We will just me more specific with exactly what results we want. But this does sound like a good goal for making the program work.

Quote:This is what I am

Hahahahhaha. I pictured you more with a Brad Pitt body and a tabby cat face, I didn't realize that you were a plate of red jelly all this time!

(11-01-2016, 03:54 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-01-2016, 03:09 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-01-2016, 02:33 PM)posh Wrote: [ -> ]you can't get it. The product got changed and now it doesn't work here the full story: http://houseofpheromones.com/androtics-d...pherotalk/

Yep...

Unbelievably epic fail...the golden ticket. Ruined.

I'll never understand that. I'm so jealous of those who owned it and used it, and STILL do. I've heard so many ridiculous stories.

Wow, seems like the Holy Grail in a lot of ways.

But surely the molecule can be procured and produced by other companies, no?

It's been tried many times and all resulted in failure. One project by someone is going on now and apparently he says he has a substitute for it. But that's in the early stages of development so I'm not holding my breath, could just be more BS talk.

For some reason they invented the greatest thing ever, truly life changing results, but then shot themselves in the foot by ruining the formula for it and it's NEVER been the same. They annoyingly always change the formulas over time, so you never know if it'll produce the same results you pay for, or better, or worse. Imagine buying subs from Shannon, paying 6G prices, but never knowing if it'll be 6G or 3G. It's prime reputation is legendary. Stuff you wouldn't even believe. I've offered a good pile of money to FIND some of it's prime revision and I can pay to send it to a high end laboratory so it's formula can be determined once and for all. It'd be incredible to test it myself, but I've never seen any and obviously people don't want to sell it so I haven't been able to get any to send to a lab to replicate it, sadly.

(11-01-2016, 04:29 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:This is what I am

Hahahahhaha. I pictured you more with a Brad Pitt body and a tabby cat face, I didn't realize that you were a plate of red jelly all this time!

Jelly is my street alias, I don't like to talk about it often.

Maybe I need to run E2 more to let go of the insecurity of it, though.

I have two partial bottles of Revision 17 and one bottle that is unlabeled as to revision. One of the R23's has been stored in the freezer, and one has not.

(11-01-2016, 01:24 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Holy shit! Yes, this is EXACTLY what we want in DMSI, especially the bolded.

Btw, where can I get some of that stuff you mentioned?

As for how to make DMSI this way, I believe the secret lies in social backlash. If the user has the effect where people will lie for and protect him, then it follows that they will do the same for any women or friends of his. The bubble of influence is what people get access to if they please the user.

If Shannon could do that somehow, I think that would be good.

Sadly rev.23 is long gone, revisions after it weren't as good and it went downhill from there. The current revision (32) is good as a status and respect mix but it's not anywhere near the level of attraction and respect rev.23 or the love-scent edition had.

As for recreating these effects with DMSI if Shannon can target specific pheromones to increase in production then that would be one way. People who are high status do have a different pheromone and energy about them, this is why when you wear high status pheromones people assume you're rich, important, powerful, famous, etc. Even if they've never met anyone powerful/famous and don't have a baseline to know how such a person would come across they just get a primal response.

What causes that change in their pheromones could be any number of things - knowing that you're famous could trigger your body to produce it, being around other famous people with that signature will change your signature to keep up, not having stress from money will drastically lower cortisol and allow more hormones to rise to the surface, etc. Some of this is already in DMSI especially with the healing and "inner game" aspects.

If it's not possible to target certain hormones then the next way to create it would be through the aura, pheromones and auras may feed off each other or influence one another, me and a few others certainly believe this in using titan from apex. I'll get stares across the street, in cars, and way outside of mone smelling distance but within their vision of sight.

The main effects of 3a-diol are:

-status (2nd only to whatever is in aqua vitae IMO)
-sexual attraction and orgasm enhancement
-trust and bonding
-deference/submission and feeling safe/protected
-masculinity, it signals high testosterone and DHT levels
-eliminates/reduces stress

All of these are either already in DMSI or could be added, so far DMSI has:

-status
-sexual attraction
-masculinity

All that's missing, at least as far as we know from the testing phase, is

-trust and bonding
-deference/submission/feeling protected
-eliminate stress

Trust and bonding might be why some guys are getting a negative reaction and hostile treatment from other men, they see you as a threat instead of a leader or ally. Might also be why DMSI seems to favor milfs more than younger women, older women trust themselves and most social situations while younger women tend to be vastly more insecure and think everything is creepy.

Feeling protected and eliminating stress in women is a natural response of being in the good graces of an alpha male. Other men respect him so they will respect her, and he's got things under control so she can let loose and have fun instead of worrying about the small things. I said it in another thread but one of the fastest ways for sex to happen is to just show a girl a good time, that's how most people end up hooking up without trying - they're having fun together and sex is just part of it. Any man knows it's hard to get sex when your fwb/girlfriend/wife is stressed out and worried about tiny and insignificant things.

Go back through maxim interviews with supermodels and you'll see it over and over again, they like a guy who can make them laugh (fun to be around) and who makes them feel safe. I think it's especially true for attractive women who do to their looks face more social pressure and higher expectations.

(11-01-2016, 04:26 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I theoretically can target specific end result pheromones, but it would require a vastly more complex method than I use right now. Right now I am using the equivalent of a hardware abstraction later built in to the "operating system", and what would be different is that I would have to "hard code the direct route".

In other words, right now, I am effectively saying to the subconscious... "I want end results A, B and C. Figure out how to get there safely, and then do that." If I tried to do it directly, I would have to somehow find a way to communicate what chemistry I needed ingested to extract the precursor molecules, which precursor molecules to extract, and exactly what to do with them. How do I communicate this to the subconscious, when I don't know the chemical requirements directly, and the subconscious may not know what 3ß-Androstanediol is, or any of the precursor chemistry?

It would stall development for literally years, and give no guarantee of success. So I will remain with the HAL method. We will just me more specific with exactly what results we want. But this does sound like a good goal for making the program work.

Yea that makes perfect sense, we know from lab tests that hormones levels do change based on your own beliefs. Amy Cuddy's testosterone experiments kind of pushed this to the mainstream but before that we know that when you take a lower ranking monkey and force him to be the alpha his dopamine levels shoot straight up. When you take another at low status and give it ketamine (creates more dopamine) he again rises to the top. It seems like you can either change your chemistry or your beliefs but either way you'll end up influencing the other.

(11-01-2016, 04:31 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]I can pay to send it to a high end laboratory so it's formula can be determined once and for all.

(11-01-2016, 04:39 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I have two partial bottles of Revision 17 and one bottle that is unlabeled as to revision. One of the R23's has been stored in the freezer, and one has not.

Y'all thinking what I'm thinking?

(11-01-2016, 04:31 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-01-2016, 03:54 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-01-2016, 03:09 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-01-2016, 02:33 PM)posh Wrote: [ -> ]you can't get it. The product got changed and now it doesn't work here the full story: http://houseofpheromones.com/androtics-d...pherotalk/

Yep...

Unbelievably epic fail...the golden ticket. Ruined.

I'll never understand that. I'm so jealous of those who owned it and used it, and STILL do. I've heard so many ridiculous stories.

Wow, seems like the Holy Grail in a lot of ways.

But surely the molecule can be procured and produced by other companies, no?

It's been tried many times and all resulted in failure. One project by someone is going on now and apparently he says he has a substitute for it. But that's in the early stages of development so I'm not holding my breath, could just be more BS talk.

For some reason they invented the greatest thing ever, truly life changing results, but then shot themselves in the foot by ruining the formula for it and it's NEVER been the same. They annoyingly always change the formulas over time, so you never know if it'll produce the same results you pay for, or better, or worse. Imagine buying subs from Shannon, paying 6G prices, but never knowing if it'll be 6G or 3G. It's prime reputation is legendary. Stuff you wouldn't even believe. I've offered a good pile of money to FIND some of it's prime revision and I can pay to send it to a high end laboratory so it's formula can be determined once and for all. It'd be incredible to test it myself, but I've never seen any and obviously people don't want to sell it so I haven't been able to get any to send to a lab to replicate it, sadly.

Androtics does have a problem keeping it's formulas stable but to their credit they missed out on this molecule because it became more regulated although not impossible to obtain.

Somebody else is already very close to revers engineering it and making available for sale again.

(11-01-2016, 04:42 PM)bits Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-01-2016, 01:24 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Holy shit! Yes, this is EXACTLY what we want in DMSI, especially the bolded.

Btw, where can I get some of that stuff you mentioned?

As for how to make DMSI this way, I believe the secret lies in social backlash. If the user has the effect where people will lie for and protect him, then it follows that they will do the same for any women or friends of his. The bubble of influence is what people get access to if they please the user.

If Shannon could do that somehow, I think that would be good.

Sadly rev.23 is long gone, revisions after it weren't as good and it went downhill from there. The current revision (32) is good as a status and respect mix but it's not anywhere near the level of attraction and respect rev.23 or the love-scent edition had.

But I don't understand, why can't they just go back to the old formula? Are they missing ingredients or something? Lost the recipe perhaps? lol

(11-01-2016, 04:42 PM)bits Wrote: [ -> ]As for recreating these effects with DMSI if Shannon can target specific pheromones to increase in production then that would be one way. People who are high status do have a different pheromone and energy about them, this is why when you wear high status pheromones people assume you're rich, important, powerful, famous, etc. Even if they've never met anyone powerful/famous and don't have a baseline to know how such a person would come across they just get a primal response.

What causes that change in their pheromones could be any number of things - knowing that you're famous could trigger your body to produce it, being around other famous people with that signature will change your signature to keep up, not having stress from money will drastically lower cortisol and allow more hormones to rise to the surface, etc. Some of this is already in DMSI especially with the healing and "inner game" aspects.

If it's not possible to target certain hormones then the next way to create it would be through the aura, pheromones and auras may feed off each other or influence one another, me and a few others certainly believe this in using titan from apex. I'll get stares across the street, in cars, and way outside of mone smelling distance but within their vision of sight.

The main effects of 3a-diol are:

-status (2nd only to whatever is in aqua vitae IMO)
-sexual attraction and orgasm enhancement
-trust and bonding
-deference/submission and feeling safe/protected
-masculinity, it signals high testosterone and DHT levels
-eliminates/reduces stress

All of these are either already in DMSI or could be added, so far DMSI has:

-status
-sexual attraction
-masculinity

All that's missing, at least as far as we know from the testing phase, is

-trust and bonding
-deference/submission/feeling protected
-eliminate stress

Masculinity is missing as well no? DMSI doesn't seem as grounded and masculine as AM is.

(11-01-2016, 04:42 PM)bits Wrote: [ -> ]Trust and bonding might be why some guys are getting a negative reaction and hostile treatment from other men, they see you as a threat instead of a leader or ally. Might also be why DMSI seems to favor milfs more than younger women, older women trust themselves and most social situations while younger women tend to be vastly more insecure and think everything is creepy.

Interesting. I've not had trouble with men for quite a while. I remember it was always something I had to deal with in sales but it's seemed to quiet down.

I agree that younger women need to be targeted better.

(11-01-2016, 04:42 PM)bits Wrote: [ -> ]Feeling protected and eliminating stress in women is a natural response of being in the good graces of an alpha male. Other men respect him so they will respect her, and he's got things under control so she can let loose and have fun instead of worrying about the small things.

Does a woman have to earn the good graces tho? Through sex for example?

And as for having things under control, I don't know if that's true, because there are many "alpha" types whose lives are in shambles. What "it" is exactly is still elusive, at least for me.

Unless it's just a matter of feeling like you have things under control, or feeling at ease, in which case, that would make sense.

(11-01-2016, 04:51 PM)Bookstacks DC737 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-01-2016, 04:31 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]I can pay to send it to a high end laboratory so it's formula can be determined once and for all.

(11-01-2016, 04:39 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I have two partial bottles of Revision 17 and one bottle that is unlabeled as to revision. One of the R23's has been stored in the freezer, and one has not.

Y'all thinking what I'm thinking?

OMG... do it. :o

(11-01-2016, 04:56 PM)bits Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-01-2016, 04:31 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-01-2016, 03:54 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-01-2016, 03:09 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-01-2016, 02:33 PM)posh Wrote: [ -> ]you can't get it. The product got changed and now it doesn't work here the full story: http://houseofpheromones.com/androtics-d...pherotalk/

Yep...

Unbelievably epic fail...the golden ticket. Ruined.

I'll never understand that. I'm so jealous of those who owned it and used it, and STILL do. I've heard so many ridiculous stories.

Wow, seems like the Holy Grail in a lot of ways.

But surely the molecule can be procured and produced by other companies, no?

It's been tried many times and all resulted in failure. One project by someone is going on now and apparently he says he has a substitute for it. But that's in the early stages of development so I'm not holding my breath, could just be more BS talk.

For some reason they invented the greatest thing ever, truly life changing results, but then shot themselves in the foot by ruining the formula for it and it's NEVER been the same. They annoyingly always change the formulas over time, so you never know if it'll produce the same results you pay for, or better, or worse. Imagine buying subs from Shannon, paying 6G prices, but never knowing if it'll be 6G or 3G. It's prime reputation is legendary. Stuff you wouldn't even believe. I've offered a good pile of money to FIND some of it's prime revision and I can pay to send it to a high end laboratory so it's formula can be determined once and for all. It'd be incredible to test it myself, but I've never seen any and obviously people don't want to sell it so I haven't been able to get any to send to a lab to replicate it, sadly.

Androtics does have a problem keeping it's formulas stable but to their credit they missed out on this molecule because it became more regulated although not impossible to obtain.

Somebody else is already very close to revers engineering it and making available for sale again.

Regulated eh? Suspicious lol.

Good to hear it might be available again, though I imagine it will be pricey.

It is a natural law that the more valuable something is, the more the Powers That Be will want to regulate (control) it.