Subliminal Talk

(11-19-2016, 05:02 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]You guys are so focused on one goal and one way to it, it's no wonder you have these issues.

DMSI goal is to get others to approach and initiate. In the end, that is the goal and it's not changing unless I have no choice. I have that choice, because I know I can achieve that goal. Maybe not in 3.0, but I can and I will.

Even if NSFM can be added in a way that would enhance instead of detract, which may be possible, it is still training wheels for guys who are stuck in the paradigm that got them where they are now. It almost certainly won't be included in the final no matter what for that reason.

So if I can find a way to add it and enhance DMSI, I will try. If I run out of time, it may get passed over. There are several other much more important things to add still.

Shannon and Co. --

Look at it like this. We already know that the aura can generate significant amounts of attraction, barring a few people here who are outright refusing to execute the script.

BTW: For those of you who will object to that, Shannon has stated that the "morphine drip" effect is actually a tag that allows him to see if you're executing the script or not. So... that being said -- no euphoria, you're not executing the script.

ANYWAY -- we know it can at least generate attraction. We have tons and tons of data on that. Adding NSFM will allow us to gather data on how DMSI performs after the initial attraction phase, when the courtship ritual is now in what I call the "negotiation phase," because that's essentially what it is -- you and your target are essentially negotiating what you're going to offer in exchange for sex, whether it's a good fuck, access to your money, a potential baby, etc.

Personally, I think the data in that stage is invaluable, and it may be worth adding NSFM and OAA to this stage of the script just so you can get that data.

For example:

I'm beginning to question whether the celebrity vibe is doing us more harm than help. Last night, I ran some loops of v2.5 before my date. I knew I was actually executing the code because I experienced what felt like a full body orgasm for the entire three loops.

Long story short, she began to seduce me after about 45 minutes of the pre-chatter. We made out, felt each other up, etc. We were lost in this little bubble of just sexuality. Definitely had some sniper play in there.

Anyway, we ended back at her house. We're doing EVERYTHING but f*cking at this point. Hand jobs, blowies, I'm going down on her, she's going down on me -- but she's putting up some SIGNIFICANT ASD. It mean, that's some mind blowing cognitive dissonance to be drenching wet, screaming in ecstasy, willing to do everything... except f*ck. She kept telling me that she wanted to "wait until Christmas," where she could dress up in lingerie as a present and I could unwrap her.

Just to add to the story, this chick is severely sexually frustrated. She just came out of a long-term relationship where the guy was refusing to fuck her. She said that over the course of eight months, they had sex twice. And both times, she had to push and initiate. When he'd finally relent, he said he felt like he was being forced. She told me that he would hide in the bathroom when he changed clothes and wouldn't let her look at him. To me, this is clearly signs of sexual abuse as a child and I kinda wanted to look the dude up and send him the link to E2.

Anyway, I point that out to show the level of ASD I was getting. I finally got her to give in by using a very strategic approach of staggered escalation. It's where you push the boundary and when she stops you, you hop back one step. Not too far. If you're kissing her neck on one side and rubbing your fingers on the other side of her neck and when you go for a boob grab (or to unbutton her shirt) and she slaps it away, you go back to rubbing her neck for a minute... then proceed with the boob grab.

After AN HOUR of this, she finally gave in and I railed her brains out for a good hour (was totally pumped full of Indian Viagra, sorry not sorry) until the chick could barely walk.

And guess what she says after that? "We're not doing this again until Christmas."

It's clear to me that she's trying to lock me down as a long-term mate, not a casual fuck buddy, which seems to me isn't necessarily the goal of DMSI. Seems like a side effect. Illumi just reported a similar situation, where the woman allowed him to slap her ass, but wouldn't let him escalate. I don't see that situation as a rejection. I see that situation as, "I want to lock you down, not just be your playmate."

The fact is, we need more information and data, but we're having problems with men being able to approach women. While the long term goal of DMSI is to make the gender you're attracted to approach you with little effort, I believe we're limiting the data we can get if we only focus on the pre-attraction, attraction stage.

... plus, I really wanna get OAA and NSFM programming in 5.5g. Lawd. It'll definitely up the amount of information I could report.

EDIT: What I'm trying to say is that I'm seeing a few inconsistent results. The women are clearly seeing us as sexual enough to let us touch them and the such, but instead of giving in and fucking us, they're pulling the, "I wanna lock you down game." I've been considered what the manosphere calls a "beta bucks" before -- the emasculated male where the woman only wants you for your resources. And... they don't let you touch them and the such. They control all the strings for sex. This isn't that. This is, let's fuck... but I want you to date me and be baby daddy!

Chaos, the ASD scenario you described used to happen a lot to me. It's cognitive dissonance and fucking creepy if you ask me. I also agree that those women could see you as a long term thing, which is not what DMSI should be about. Celeb vibe could contribute to that, I mean women will try to sink their greedy paws into a high status guy.

I've said this since the beginning. A masculine sexual aura with NSFM and a hunter autopilot is what gets you laid. There's no asd or lmr when it's fucking obvious what vibe you're projecting, i.e the vibe does the talking for you and women respond accordingly.

If guys actually want to get laid, that is. I'd rather repel 95% of asexual, boring chicks and fuck the remaining dtf chicks with ease.

(11-20-2016, 09:32 AM)Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2016, 08:49 AM)Illumi Wrote: [ -> ]So i wanted to post this here conserning DMSI

Yeasterday we had a party with costumes/suits theme. the hottest girl in the party was a 10 with a banging body, she is not from around. I found myself dancing and teasing her effortlessly, but man the shit testing off the scales. I saw her dancing and hiding behind betas just to see how i react! They all tried hitting on her half heartedly and everytime i swooped in and took charge. She did not let me kiss her, i tried about 4 times and everytime she backs off laughing as if tell me " come chase me! "

At some point i isolated her and we were drinking whisky from her bottle. I had her against the wall touching her, playing with her hair. She kept saying shit like: Does this ever work for you? Or funny enough she said you read the book the game. I kept saying irrelivant and shut up, and everytime she loses intrest i start negging her only for her to throw her ass on me.

Everytime i tried to kiss her she backed off, yet she was ok with me slaping her ass on different occasions. Anyways im not sure if she was being sniped but i know the auto poilt was on point. I kept trying and she kept backing off to ghe point i started to look lame.

Im sure i could have done a thing or 2 better but that was a major breakthrough for me. I really hope V3 wil deal with womens objections and nonsense shit testing. She wanted me but idk wtf she was thinking.

I think you were acting too thirsty, patience can be very sexy to girls.

Maybe, but she made me so hard i had a little to say in that matter, also here in Scandinevia aggresive game seems to be the best option. I played less agressove many times before but i never made such progress.

(11-20-2016, 10:31 AM)Dutchman610 Wrote: [ -> ]So, if your asleep is ultrasonic really better? I've always done ocean at night on speakers. Since, I don't really want others in my house being affected. I also don't really trust ultrasonic since I can't hear it (my phone, speakers, headphones all pasted the test).

All the tracks work when you are asleep or awake.
Play the track that you feel comfortable with.

I can't sleep with a masked track playing, so I use ultrasonic.
Some people find the masked track soothing and relaxing and it helps them fall asleep.

(11-20-2016, 08:28 AM)4Kingdoms Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2016, 12:31 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Hybrid format is the ultrasonic format and one of the masked formats in one track

(11-20-2016, 02:27 AM)"Q Wrote: [ -> ]Is the volume level of the ultrasonic component of the track lower than the masked track?

Just the opposite... ultrasonic is louder because it doesn't have the ocean surf or trickling stream to drown it out.

That's why you shouldn't use the ultrasonic track with headphones.
You can use the hybrid with headphones because you can hear the loudness of the masked track.

You have almost got it. What I meant was - on the hybrid track, has the ultrasonic component's volume been reduced slightly, so that when the user listens at a comfortable volume according to the audible part of the track, they are not playing the ultrasonic part too loud by default?

(11-20-2016, 10:58 AM)"Q Wrote: [ -> ]You have almost got it. What I meant was - on the hybrid track, has the ultrasonic component's volume been reduced slightly, so that when the user listens at a comfortable volume according to the audible part of the track, they are not playing the ultrasonic part too loud by default?

Only Shannon can answer this.

(11-20-2016, 08:49 AM)Illumi Wrote: [ -> ]So i wanted to post this here conserning DMSI

Yeasterday we had a party with costumes/suits theme. the hottest girl in the party was a 10 with a banging body, she is not from around. I found myself dancing and teasing her effortlessly, but man the shit testing off the scales. I saw her dancing and hiding behind betas just to see how i react! They all tried hitting on her half heartedly and everytime i swooped in and took charge. She did not let me kiss her, i tried about 4 times and everytime she backs off laughing as if tell me " come chase me! "

At some point i isolated her and we were drinking whisky from her bottle. I had her against the wall touching her, playing with her hair. She kept saying shit like: Does this ever work for you? Or funny enough she said you read the book the game. I kept saying irrelivant and shut up, and everytime she loses intrest i start negging her only for her to throw her ass on me.

Everytime i tried to kiss her she backed off, yet she was ok with me slaping her ass on different occasions. Anyways im not sure if she was being sniped but i know the auto poilt was on point. I kept trying and she kept backing off to ghe point i started to look lame.

Im sure i could have done a thing or 2 better but that was a major breakthrough for me. I really hope V3 wil deal with womens objections and nonsense shit testing. She wanted me but idk wtf she was thinking.

I'm not trying to be mean here, just real, but the point she said "does this ever work for you?". Is the point you should've just said "Nah never" and walked off and flirted with other girls. If she really did want you she would've chased the hell out of you at that point.. what you did was hand your balls to her on a platter and became boring at that moment, you accepted her frame of you chasing her and her being above you because you showed outright it didn't matter how much of a bitch she was you had no boundaries and were unwilling to walk away.

You gotta get her from thinking "hmm am I gonna let this guy fuck me" to "damn I wanna fuck this guy", and for that she needs to sense you could walk at any moment.
Particularly true for 10s because they're not used to it and it makes you the rarest among rare.

(11-20-2016, 10:31 AM)Dutchman610 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2016, 10:03 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2016, 08:22 AM)4Kingdoms Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2016, 01:20 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2016, 12:39 AM)heavysm Wrote: [ -> ]Is the hybrid format an experiment for now or will it be included for all subs going forward? (sounds amazing, btw)

It is no longer experimental. It will probably be standard... but, we may have to eliminate some "features" because this is getting ridiculous. I now have to create five different tracks, in two different encoding formats, per stage of each title? That's a but much.

Easy fix!! Eliminate the individual Ocean Surf and Trickling Stream tracks.
Keep ultrasonic as a stand alone, so we can sleep or go about our day in silence.

Absolutely not. I don't respond well to ultrasonic at all, even when played low. I respond best to Trickling Stream, played at a low volume.

So, if your asleep is ultrasonic really better? I've always done ocean at night on speakers. Since, I don't really want others in my house being affected. I also don't really trust ultrasonic since I can't hear it (my phone, speakers, headphones all pasted the test).

If you're asleep, whatever works best for you for letting you sleep and achieving the goals is what's better. Not everyone is going to have the same responses or needs.

(11-20-2016, 10:58 AM)"Q Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2016, 08:28 AM)4Kingdoms Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2016, 12:31 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Hybrid format is the ultrasonic format and one of the masked formats in one track

(11-20-2016, 02:27 AM)"Q Wrote: [ -> ]Is the volume level of the ultrasonic component of the track lower than the masked track?

Just the opposite... ultrasonic is louder because it doesn't have the ocean surf or trickling stream to drown it out.

That's why you shouldn't use the ultrasonic track with headphones.
You can use the hybrid with headphones because you can hear the loudness of the masked track.

You have almost got it. What I meant was - on the hybrid track, has the ultrasonic component's volume been reduced slightly, so that when the user listens at a comfortable volume according to the audible part of the track, they are not playing the ultrasonic part too loud by default?

The ultrasonic track of the hybrid has not had the volume adjusted for either ultrasonic or the masked component. If you want, you can lower the volume.

(11-20-2016, 10:31 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-19-2016, 05:02 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]You guys are so focused on one goal and one way to it, it's no wonder you have these issues.

DMSI goal is to get others to approach and initiate. In the end, that is the goal and it's not changing unless I have no choice. I have that choice, because I know I can achieve that goal. Maybe not in 3.0, but I can and I will.

Even if NSFM can be added in a way that would enhance instead of detract, which may be possible, it is still training wheels for guys who are stuck in the paradigm that got them where they are now. It almost certainly won't be included in the final no matter what for that reason.

So if I can find a way to add it and enhance DMSI, I will try. If I run out of time, it may get passed over. There are several other much more important things to add still.

Shannon and Co. --

Look at it like this. We already know that the aura can generate significant amounts of attraction, barring a few people here who are outright refusing to execute the script.

BTW: For those of you who will object to that, Shannon has stated that the "morphine drip" effect is actually a tag that allows him to see if you're executing the script or not. So... that being said -- no euphoria, you're not executing the script.

ANYWAY -- we know it can at least generate attraction. We have tons and tons of data on that. Adding NSFM will allow us to gather data on how DMSI performs after the initial attraction phase, when the courtship ritual is now in what I call the "negotiation phase," because that's essentially what it is -- you and your target are essentially negotiating what you're going to offer in exchange for sex, whether it's a good ****, access to your money, a potential baby, etc.

Personally, I think the data in that stage is invaluable, and it may be worth adding NSFM and OAA to this stage of the script just so you can get that data.

For example:

I'm beginning to question whether the celebrity vibe is doing us more harm than help. Last night, I ran some loops of v2.5 before my date. I knew I was actually executing the code because I experienced what felt like a full body orgasm for the entire three loops.

Long story short, she began to seduce me after about 45 minutes of the pre-chatter. We made out, felt each other up, etc. We were lost in this little bubble of just sexuality. Definitely had some sniper play in there.

Anyway, we ended back at her house. We're doing EVERYTHING but f*cking at this point. Hand jobs, blowies, I'm going down on her, she's going down on me -- but she's putting up some SIGNIFICANT ASD. It mean, that's some mind blowing cognitive dissonance to be drenching wet, screaming in ecstasy, willing to do everything... except f*ck. She kept telling me that she wanted to "wait until Christmas," where she could dress up in lingerie as a present and I could unwrap her.

Just to add to the story, this chick is severely sexually frustrated. She just came out of a long-term relationship where the guy was refusing to **** her. She said that over the course of eight months, they had sex twice. And both times, she had to push and initiate. When he'd finally relent, he said he felt like he was being forced. She told me that he would hide in the bathroom when he changed clothes and wouldn't let her look at him. To me, this is clearly signs of sexual abuse as a child and I kinda wanted to look the dude up and send him the link to E2.

Anyway, I point that out to show the level of ASD I was getting. I finally got her to give in by using a very strategic approach of staggered escalation. It's where you push the boundary and when she stops you, you hop back one step. Not too far. If you're kissing her neck on one side and rubbing your fingers on the other side of her neck and when you go for a boob grab (or to unbutton her shirt) and she slaps it away, you go back to rubbing her neck for a minute... then proceed with the boob grab.

After AN HOUR of this, she finally gave in and I railed her brains out for a good hour (was totally pumped full of Indian Viagra, sorry not sorry) until the chick could barely walk.

And guess what she says after that? "We're not doing this again until Christmas."

It's clear to me that she's trying to lock me down as a long-term mate, not a casual **** buddy, which seems to me isn't necessarily the goal of DMSI. Seems like a side effect. Illumi just reported a similar situation, where the woman allowed him to slap her ass, but wouldn't let him escalate. I don't see that situation as a rejection. I see that situation as, "I want to lock you down, not just be your playmate."

The fact is, we need more information and data, but we're having problems with men being able to approach women. While the long term goal of DMSI is to make the gender you're attracted to approach you with little effort, I believe we're limiting the data we can get if we only focus on the pre-attraction, attraction stage.

... plus, I really wanna get OAA and NSFM programming in 5.5g. Lawd. It'll definitely up the amount of information I could report.

EDIT: What I'm trying to say is that I'm seeing a few inconsistent results. The women are clearly seeing us as sexual enough to let us touch them and the such, but instead of giving in and ***** us, they're pulling the, "I wanna lock you down game." I've been considered what the manosphere calls a "beta bucks" before -- the emasculated male where the woman only wants you for your resources. And... they don't let you touch them and the such. They control all the strings for sex. This isn't that. This is, let's ****... but I want you to date me and be baby daddy!

Except that this does not prove that anything concerning DMSI had to do with her ASD response. It's one data point.

Now I can see how it might, being that high value means she wants to keep you for a relationship. But still, we have suspicion here, not proof.

(11-20-2016, 12:11 PM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2016, 08:49 AM)Illumi Wrote: [ -> ]So i wanted to post this here conserning DMSI

Yeasterday we had a party with costumes/suits theme. the hottest girl in the party was a 10 with a banging body, she is not from around. I found myself dancing and teasing her effortlessly, but man the shit testing off the scales. I saw her dancing and hiding behind betas just to see how i react! They all tried hitting on her half heartedly and everytime i swooped in and took charge. She did not let me kiss her, i tried about 4 times and everytime she backs off laughing as if tell me " come chase me! "

At some point i isolated her and we were drinking whisky from her bottle. I had her against the wall touching her, playing with her hair. She kept saying shit like: Does this ever work for you? Or funny enough she said you read the book the game. I kept saying irrelivant and shut up, and everytime she loses intrest i start negging her only for her to throw her ass on me.

Everytime i tried to kiss her she backed off, yet she was ok with me slaping her ass on different occasions. Anyways im not sure if she was being sniped but i know the auto poilt was on point. I kept trying and she kept backing off to ghe point i started to look lame.

Im sure i could have done a thing or 2 better but that was a major breakthrough for me. I really hope V3 wil deal with womens objections and nonsense shit testing. She wanted me but idk wtf she was thinking.

I'm not trying to be mean here, just real, but the point she said "does this ever work for you?". Is the point you should've just said "Nah never" and walked off and flirted with other girls. If she really did want you she would've chased the hell out of you at that point.. what you did was hand your balls to her on a platter and became boring at that moment, you accepted her frame of you chasing her and her being above you because you showed outright it didn't matter how much of a bitch she was you had no boundaries and were unwilling to walk away.

You gotta get her from thinking "hmm am I gonna let this guy **** me" to "damn I wanna **** this guy", and for that she needs to sense you could walk at any moment.
Particularly true for 10s because they're not used to it and it makes you the rarest among rare.

Thats just theory that you'd think makes sense, i did leave her many times but she did not come running back to me. That girl was not from around and i only had one shot.
Also i've said before i've tried playing less aggrsive and more stratigic. Didn't get me nowhere. Also my hands were all over her and she was smiling when she said if this ever works for me. Clearly it works, but you just cant win them all.

(11-20-2016, 02:00 AM)coldfact Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon - can MHS benefit from much of the new tech in MIR?

What is the main difference between the two? My guess is MIR deals mainly with viral/bacterial infection level illness (micro level) and MHS with injury (broken bones etc. - macro level). But I assume they can be used somewhat interchangeably: if you had a cold, couldn't you use either?

MHS is scheduled for build after MIR at this time. It can and will benefit from the new tech in MIR.

MIR activates the immune system to focus on detecting, accessing, attacking and destroying infections. MHS causes the body to focus on and actively heal itself of damage (and potentially other types of issues) as fast as possible, without scars.

(11-20-2016, 08:22 AM)4Kingdoms Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2016, 01:20 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2016, 12:39 AM)heavysm Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-20-2016, 12:31 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Hybrid format is the ultrasonic format and one of the masked formats in one track. It allows me to effectively double the data input by using different pitch and volume channels. Since it uses ultrasonic and masked, you can use it with headphones because you can hear it. However, you'll want to be careful regardless.

Is the hybrid format an experiment for now or will it be included for all subs going forward? (sounds amazing, btw)

It is no longer experimental. It will probably be standard... but, we may have to eliminate some "features" because this is getting ridiculous. I now have to create five different tracks, in two different encoding formats, per stage of each title? That's a but much.

Easy fix!! Eliminate the individual Ocean Surf and Trickling Stream tracks.
Keep ultrasonic as a stand alone, so we can sleep or go about our day in silence.

Removing the masked tracks would make no sense. They're a staple of what works for people.

Your later suggestion of removing the hybrids also fails, because I want to make sure people don't do things like try to make their own hybrids and screw it up, thus potentially causing themselves issues.

Furthermore, the hybrids show as being more powerful than ultrasonic, so they're important. The only real option this leaves me is... eliminate mp3s, or FLACs.

(11-20-2016, 08:49 AM)Illumi Wrote: [ -> ]So i wanted to post this here conserning DMSI

Yeasterday we had a party with costumes/suits theme. the hottest girl in the party was a 10 with a banging body, she is not from around. I found myself dancing and teasing her effortlessly, but man the shit testing off the scales. I saw her dancing and hiding behind betas just to see how i react! They all tried hitting on her half heartedly and everytime i swooped in and took charge. She did not let me kiss her, i tried about 4 times and everytime she backs off laughing as if tell me " come chase me! "

At some point i isolated her and we were drinking whisky from her bottle. I had her against the wall touching her, playing with her hair. She kept saying shit like: Does this ever work for you? Or funny enough she said you read the book the game. I kept saying irrelivant and shut up, and everytime she loses intrest i start negging her only for her to throw her ass on me.

Everytime i tried to kiss her she backed off, yet she was ok with me slaping her ass on different occasions. Anyways im not sure if she was being sniped but i know the auto poilt was on point. I kept trying and she kept backing off to ghe point i started to look lame.

Im sure i could have done a thing or 2 better but that was a major breakthrough for me. I really hope V3 wil deal with womens objections and nonsense shit testing. She wanted me but idk wtf she was thinking.

Trying too hard is just as bad as not trying hard enough sometimes.