Subliminal Talk

Sarge, I wouldn't at all be surprised if when you decide to throw in the towel of trying to figure it all out, things will start to click.

I admire your intellect and your analytical and critical thinking capabilities. Sometimes to the point where I feel like my brain short circuits from trying to understand the profound level at which you dissect a concept and reverse engineer it. But I don't know if you are doing yourself any favors by trying so hard to understand. Maybe it's semantics, where the word "beliefs" used by Shannon and yourself mean completely different things.

I actually typed out a partial response to the whole X Y belief things but it's way over my head so I erased it... I wish I could contribute more but I think chaosvrgn hit the nail on the head in so many ways so it's not necessary

(08-03-2016, 11:13 AM)eternitys_child Wrote: [ -> ]Sarge, I wouldn't at all be surprised if when you decide to throw in the towel of trying to figure it all out, things will start to click.

I admire your intellect and your analytical and critical thinking capabilities. Sometimes to the point where I feel like my brain short circuits from trying to understand the profound level at which you dissect a concept and reverse engineer it. But I don't know if you are doing yourself any favors by trying so hard to understand. Maybe it's semantics, where the word "beliefs" used by Shannon and yourself mean completely different things.

I actually typed out a partial response to the whole X Y belief things but it's way over my head so I erased it... I wish I could contribute more but I think chaosvrgn hit the nail on the head in so many ways so it's not necessary

Thanks man. But this isn't hard on me at all, and I am making progress. I implore you all to entertain the fact that things may not be exactly the way you think they are.

(08-03-2016, 09:15 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-03-2016, 08:40 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]because gravity is written into the physical universe, but that doesn't somehow negate the concept of your beliefs creating your physical reality. Just means there's limits.

Exactly. And so are a lot of things I'm guessing, like how women go for jerks, for example.

Playful jerks, bro. Playful. Your "jerkiness" has to come from a place of strength, that you're actively refusing to operate within her psychological frame. Last night, my date kept trying to get me to admit that I could be a "gentleman." I just looked at her playfully and said, "there's absolutely nothing gentle about me." She rolled her eyes and huffed and puffed, said something along the lines of: "You think you're all that, don't you?" But the entire time, she was smiling from ear-to-ear and her eyes have that, "I want you to f*ck my brains out" gloss to it.

Later that night, she couldn't keep her hands off me, and we were 5 minutes away from banging on a wet, abandoned roof (just to show you how bad she wanted it) before I had to bail.

Playful jerk. It means "I'm dismissing your faux-complaints and teases, as if you were my little sister." It's not screaming, "B*TCH I AIN'T NO GENTLEMAN!!!!!" And then proceeding to slap the sh*t out of her.

Societal conditioning has polarized masculinity into guys that feel like they have to be complete assholes, or manginas that give in to women's requests. The moderates have been wiped out, and yes, if a woman has to choose, she'll most likely go more for the jerk than the mangina. Be the moderate. There's no sense in hanging out in the extremes.

And yes, I do agree with you that everyone should challenge their internal beliefs and question the status quo. I think you need to follow your own advice, though. You're doing exactly what you're accusing everyone else of -- reaching a conclusion and refusing to challenge it, as if you already have all the answers. It almost seems like your questions are designed to prove yourself right, not to challenge what you think you know about the world.

(08-03-2016, 11:42 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]Playful jerks, bro. Playful. Your "jerkiness" has to come from a place of strength, that you're actively refusing to operate within her psychological frame. Last night, my date kept trying to get me to admit that I could be a "gentleman." I just looked at her playfully and said, "there's absolutely nothing gentle about me." She rolled her eyes and huffed and puffed, said something along the lines of: "You think you're all that, don't you?" But the entire time, she was smiling from ear-to-ear and her eyes have that, "I want you to f*ck my brains out" gloss to it.

Later that night, she couldn't keep her hands off me, and we were 5 minutes away from banging on a wet, abandoned roof (just to show you how bad she wanted it) before I had to bail.

Point taken.

(08-03-2016, 11:42 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]Playful jerk. It means "I'm dismissing your faux-complaints and teases, as if you were my little sister." It's not screaming, "B*TCH I AIN'T NO GENTLEMAN!!!!!" And then proceeding to slap the sh*t out of her.

This made me lol. Something about extremes that are hilarious.

(08-03-2016, 11:42 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]Societal conditioning has polarized masculinity into guys that feel like they have to be complete assholes, or manginas that give in to women's requests. The moderates have been wiped out, and yes, if a woman has to choose, she'll most likely go more for the jerk than the mangina. Be the moderate. There's no sense in hanging out in the extremes.

And yes, I do agree with you that everyone should challenge their internal beliefs and question the status quo. I think you need to follow your own advice, though. You're doing exactly what you're accusing everyone else of -- reaching a conclusion and refusing to challenge it, as if you already have all the answers. It almost seems like your questions are designed to prove yourself right, not to challenge what you think you know about the world.

I know everything, what do I need to challenge?

Look man, do you know how many books I'm reading that directly oppose beliefs I've had about socializing a year ago? I count 2 right beside me. That's not counting the others that are in my room and my car. It's also not counting the others I've read before now.

I don't think I'm the stubborn one here. On the contrary, my opinions have come from direct experience derived from specifically challenging things.

(08-03-2016, 07:54 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-01-2016, 11:00 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]That's good.

But what about the other issue? Why doesn't believing in X make X real?

Believing in [X] will make [X] real... if you ACTUALLY, TRULY believe it at your innermost core. Remember my analogy about the computer game and its source code? [X] will have to exist within the source code, and it has to be well-programmed and without bugs, otherwise you'll have malfunctions and crashes at the runtime level.

Same thing here. You can't just "believe" something and it's real. It's like you're dismissing the concept of the subconscious and conscious minds and how they work. The subconscious mind doesn't have a "belief system" in the way that you think it does. The subconscious mind is like the source code of a computer program, it literally executes what it's been programmed to do. Anything you consciously believe is being completely informed by the programming of the subconscious mind.

So, in order for you to get [X] to work, [X] must be ingrained into and fully accepted by the subconscious mind. You can't just walk around saying, "I believe I'm good at [X]" when the subconscious mind doesn't have that programming. That's why so many people here and in the world will never be rich. They've been programmed by society to fear and hate money. We've been taught that having money somehow makes you evil. Thus, your subconscious is going to inform your conscious mind to resist attracting money because your subconscious will never let you become something it fears.

If you want [X] to become true, you'll have to program your subconscious to execute [X]. Subliminals are pretty much the easiest way to accomplish that goal.

This is as usual gold. And it is the reason wh i am sometimes tempted to tell sarge please focus on the subs and see what they do or not do for you. This way he could be really doing much better. But i sense a bit of doubt and skepticism there as well( two true enemies that will not allow him to believe in x subconsciously).

I already do believe in X. You guys aren't even following the conversation lol.

EDIT: You know what? Never mind. This is turning into "who's on first" lol!

(08-03-2016, 01:36 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-03-2016, 12:06 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think I'm the stubborn one here. On the contrary, my opinions have come from direct experience derived from specifically challenging things.

Had this argument before. My best friend from childhood is an INFP, and we've gone 'round and 'round having this exact same argument. INFP's tend to take a stance of moral and intellectual superiority, using that to discount other people's worldviews. Their argument is that, everyone else is "limited" themselves by not considering every single piece of information, or every philosophy out there. And because of that, other people couldn't have possibly arrived at a logical conclusion because they haven't considered EVERYTHING.

The last time he tried that on me, as well as projecting that I was the one afraid of feeling intellectually inferior, I simply took him aside and said:

"For all your alleged intelligence, what exactly have you done with it and what happenings in your life makes you feel that you can invalidate other people's life experiences?"

So... you're projecting onto me the argument you had with your friend?

(08-03-2016, 01:36 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]I haven't had that argument since. See, the thing is -- you may have read tons and tons of books, but what exactly have you taken from those books and what information are you actually implementing in your life?

Let's see:

- Improved my sales performance
- Have better relations with my family than ever
- Re-gained the attraction I used to get with women

Should I go on?

Keep in mind, this is stuff that's important to ME, not necessarily what YOU think I should focus on. Of course, I don't really give a f*ck what YOU think I should focus on.

(08-03-2016, 01:36 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]The conclusions that guide my life arose from a long, arduous and nuanced process. Years of challenging every system around me, closely observing and monitoring the processes that surround me. Actively seeking out and destroying societal programming that impedes my progress. So, for you to come and say, "you guys just aren't listening," is to completely disregard everyone's experiences as if they're less intelligent because they found their answer and began to pursue it quicker than you.

Back at you man.

In fact, that blurb is exactly what I've done too. lol. It's crazy, we're the same and yet we're arguing, which makes us even more the same! Lol!

(08-03-2016, 01:36 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]And it's at that point where I disengage. Not out of anger or malice. Not out of any kind of moral superiority. It's just that, the conversation no longer actually benefits neither one of us. I believe you're engaging in what I call "inauthentic questions." It's where the question isn't an actual inquiry. It's intended to lead the target into an intellectual trap, where you'll finally go, "SEE? I was right all along!" and smile, victorious.

Lol yeah there's a bit of that, but it doesn't help me any. If I have any 1 singular hang up that is holding me back, it's the joy I derive from pointing that kind of stuff out. I just can't help it!

I'll shut up now.

(08-03-2016, 01:36 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]The problem is, it STILL doesn't solve the issues in your own life. Because even if you've pointed out flaws in my worldview, you're STILL suffering. In the end, it's an empty victory. What exactly has been accomplished?

Well hopefully I've helped you. If not, I apologize. I'm not trying to point out flaws in any world view out of malice. I do sincerely hope that through such awareness people can much improve their lives, as I have.

4 years ago I was a depressed, anti-social, introverted mess of a person. The realizations I've made have helped me sustain a social job, improve socially, and feel better about things.

I guess I just wanted to share my findings. I didn't mean to hurt anyone.

(08-03-2016, 01:36 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]So, I implore you to quit challenging, choose the path you feel is the most accurate and give it a shot. Instead of debating with us whether you should be an extreme jerk to women, go out on the town, be an extreme jerk to women and journal your results. Hell, run DMSI and do it. It may just be that you're 100% correct and they'll respond kindly. Skip every sub in the future with EPHRA and log your results. Maybe you're on to something there. But the fact of the matter is, challenging for the sake of challenging isn't helpful as you think(my INFP friend calls this "being disruptive," using the term in the same way as economic market disruption). Actionable steps are.

I get you. Again, I apologize for coming off the wrong way, which is totally my fault.

I must inform you, however, that I AM going through with the way I chose to, and that most of the challenging was started by other users responding to things I have said. I did not ever say them to create a challenge, but I simply must defend myself. That's all there is to that.

Question to chaos.
Does this mean that the subconcious can be worn down by repeatedly saying, x is real?

The reason i ask i take to sub instruction well but not to affirmations.

I always feel affirmations are pointless because i can never trick myself into believing it.

Fascinating discussion we have here gents

(08-03-2016, 07:54 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-01-2016, 11:00 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]That's good.

But what about the other issue? Why doesn't believing in X make X real?

Believing in [X] will make [X] real... if you ACTUALLY, TRULY believe it at your innermost core. Remember my analogy about the computer game and its source code? [X] will have to exist within the source code, and it has to be well-programmed and without bugs, otherwise you'll have malfunctions and crashes at the runtime level.

Same thing here. You can't just "believe" something and it's real. It's like you're dismissing the concept of the subconscious and conscious minds and how they work. The subconscious mind doesn't have a "belief system" in the way that you think it does. The subconscious mind is like the source code of a computer program, it literally executes what it's been programmed to do. Anything you consciously believe is being completely informed by the programming of the subconscious mind.

So, in order for you to get [X] to work, [X] must be ingrained into and fully accepted by the subconscious mind. You can't just walk around saying, "I believe I'm good at [X]" when the subconscious mind doesn't have that programming. That's why so many people here and in the world will never be rich. They've been programmed by society to fear and hate money. We've been taught that having money somehow makes you evil. Thus, your subconscious is going to inform your conscious mind to resist attracting money because your subconscious will never let you become something it fears.

If you want [X] to become true, you'll have to program your subconscious to execute [X]. Subliminals are pretty much the easiest way to accomplish that goal.

(08-03-2016, 11:04 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-03-2016, 10:57 AM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-03-2016, 09:15 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-03-2016, 08:40 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]because gravity is written into the physical universe, but that doesn't somehow negate the concept of your beliefs creating your physical reality. Just means there's limits.

Exactly. And so are a lot of things I'm guessing, like how women go for jerks, for example.

That's only your experience (so far), or your (mis)perception. My very high-value wife (honestly - she's beautiful, healthy, smart, educated, and makes 6-figures!) would never have dated a jerk. When we dated, I treated her like gold. Flowers, candy, holding doors, opened her car door (she never opened her own car door when I was around), pulling out chairs, always paid for everything, gifts on important days, meaningful/sentimental/thoughtful gifts...Chivalry is not dead. She appreciated the hell out of it - we ***** like rabbits.

Isn't it strange how people seem to repeat the same experiences in different forms, and meet the same type of person, over and over? I gotta believe it's some sort of energy-related thing. Anyway, I'm not sure what you need to change to get a different experience in relation to this, but it's something.

No offense, but I don't want a woman like that. Nor do I want to be a man like that. I much prefer it when treating women badly and they can't keep their hands off me.

Why would I take offense to that? You and I are worlds apart, man.

(08-03-2016, 02:20 PM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-03-2016, 11:04 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-03-2016, 10:57 AM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-03-2016, 09:15 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-03-2016, 08:40 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]because gravity is written into the physical universe, but that doesn't somehow negate the concept of your beliefs creating your physical reality. Just means there's limits.

Exactly. And so are a lot of things I'm guessing, like how women go for jerks, for example.

That's only your experience (so far), or your (mis)perception. My very high-value wife (honestly - she's beautiful, healthy, smart, educated, and makes 6-figures!) would never have dated a jerk. When we dated, I treated her like gold. Flowers, candy, holding doors, opened her car door (she never opened her own car door when I was around), pulling out chairs, always paid for everything, gifts on important days, meaningful/sentimental/thoughtful gifts...Chivalry is not dead. She appreciated the hell out of it - we ***** like rabbits.

Isn't it strange how people seem to repeat the same experiences in different forms, and meet the same type of person, over and over? I gotta believe it's some sort of energy-related thing. Anyway, I'm not sure what you need to change to get a different experience in relation to this, but it's something.

No offense, but I don't want a woman like that. Nor do I want to be a man like that. I much prefer it when treating women badly and they can't keep their hands off me.

Why would I take offense to that? You and I are worlds apart, man.

Some people take offense to such things.

(08-03-2016, 02:26 PM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-03-2016, 02:20 PM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-03-2016, 11:04 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-03-2016, 10:57 AM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-03-2016, 09:15 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly. And so are a lot of things I'm guessing, like how women go for jerks, for example.

That's only your experience (so far), or your (mis)perception. My very high-value wife (honestly - she's beautiful, healthy, smart, educated, and makes 6-figures!) would never have dated a jerk. When we dated, I treated her like gold. Flowers, candy, holding doors, opened her car door (she never opened her own car door when I was around), pulling out chairs, always paid for everything, gifts on important days, meaningful/sentimental/thoughtful gifts...Chivalry is not dead. She appreciated the hell out of it - we ***** like rabbits.

Isn't it strange how people seem to repeat the same experiences in different forms, and meet the same type of person, over and over? I gotta believe it's some sort of energy-related thing. Anyway, I'm not sure what you need to change to get a different experience in relation to this, but it's something.

No offense, but I don't want a woman like that. Nor do I want to be a man like that. I much prefer it when treating women badly and they can't keep their hands off me.

Why would I take offense to that? You and I are worlds apart, man.

Some people take offense to such things.

No worries, bro.

(08-03-2016, 02:18 PM)Dilettante Wrote: [ -> ]Question to chaos.
Does this mean that the subconcious can be worn down by repeatedly saying, x is real?

The reason i ask i take to sub instruction well but not to affirmations.

I always feel affirmations are pointless because i can never trick myself into believing it.

Fascinating discussion we have here gents

One of the reasons that subliminals work so well is the fact that it bypasses the conscious mind, accesses and modifies the subconscious (the source code) directly. When you use mirror affirmations or spoken affirmations, the conscious-critical mind (which also serves as a gatekeeper to the subconscious) has a chance to intervene and contradict the affirmation.

For an example, let's assume that you want to work on body image. If you say, "I am sexy," your conscious mind will spit back, "no, you're not." And you'll resist the affirmation. One little trick, however, is to state the affirmation as a question. Say, "Why am I so sexy?" or "How did I get to be so sexy?" The conscious mind (most likely) won't outright reject it, because it processes questions differently than outright statements. It'll seek to find an answer or answers to the question and you'll receive something along the lines of: "I'm not sexy now, but I could be if I do..."

These subliminals however, bypasses all that crap. With traditional affirmations, before you can beatdown the subconscious, you have to first get the conscious mind to cooperate by forcing it into a state of trance. There's a competing (to aura of sexiness) mirror affirmations program that requires you to say the affirmations for like two hours while staring in the mirror. TWO HOURS, for a super short term boost. I've never used that program, but I'd be willing to bet that the first hour is spent trying to force your conscious mind into generating alpha brain waves (where it's relaxed and a bit more suggestible) before you even get a chance to influence the subconscious.

2 loops of AOSI v1 had me projecting the aura for 5 days afterward.

Shannon,
I don't remember if this question has been answered or not but is SATT one of those secret 6G technologies?

You can answer that by saying that it's described on the product page of DMSI, since it is, in a very limited form, in DMSI. I will be adding to it A LOT in the next version(s) of DMSI, since I believe it will be a key factor in overcoming a lot of the issues we see.