I don't believe there is any "better" place to come from. Let's take an example. There is a guy, Joe. Now Joe wants to be a boxer. He sits and asks himself, "Why do I want to be a boxer?", and he comes to a conclusion that it is fear, "Because I am afraid I'll get my ass whooped". Now Joe thinks, "Okay, let's get rid of fear." Joe gets rid of the fear, and it turns out, he isn't that interested in boxing, after all. Cool. That's Case I.
Now, Case II. He sits and asks himself, "Why do I want to be a boxer?" After few minutes, he says, "F*ck this shit. I am gonna knock 'em out." He trains, and well, becomes a boxer. If he is honest with himself, he observes that he is still afraid! And he wonders why. He trains harder, but his fear just doesn't get rid of him. Once again, if he is honest with himself, he recognizes the fear and works on overcoming it. Now, he knows how to box, and is free of fear.
Most importantly, he goes through a journey. A journey that he might have never experienced if he was stuck on finding the "better" place to come from. I'd rather be Case II.
Moral of the story: Harness your fears, anger, insecurities, whatever "negative" there is, to achieve your goals. And worry about them once you have achieved your goal.
Okay Shannon, that makes sense. I will run AOSI alone for like a year with a "let's see what it does" attitude as recommended.
Down the road I might try something different, what about Zen attitude every night and Natural seduction sporadically? From what I can see they would compliment each other, zen make you present in general while the natural seduction puts you in the moment with women.
And can I run 2 of the AYP subs together, say American lover with Wealthy lover?
(05-30-2016, 10:13 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]The issue is in defining the notion of "being worse off." While yes, I'm not winning as many matches as I have in the past, I'm also beyond relieved that I've let go of all that anger and rage that was fueling those "wins" in the first place. In the grand scheme of things, I can still handle myself against the random person on the street, and I'm sure I'll eventually learn how to wield my newly acquired mindset in the ring -- so what did I REALLY lose outside of a toxic mindset? In my case, what's happened is a refocusing from external validation (the winning of the fights) to internal validation (the perfect execution of the technique as an expression of self). Even calling that a "regression" is a bit unfair.
It's kinda like when I got my first 5-speed car -- I totally sucked. The mechanics of driving are essentially the same. You still press various pedals and the such to operate the car, but it does indeed require a modified mindset when driving. Did my driving ability "regress," or did I simply need time to get used to a new paradigm? I can Fast and Furious a 5-speed now and in fact, I now PREFER a 5-speed transmission. Just took awhile to get used to it. You've gotta pull the future into the present and experience it all at once rather than just looking at yourself in this narrow strip in time.
As for my comment about your end goal with women changing -- I can't say to a degree of certainty that they've shifted, but I adhere to the philosophy of watching shifts in a person's outward behavior to discover shifts in their inner world (as above, so below and all that good stuff). In your case, it was the fact that you began cold approaching with a fervor. Going from 0 to 100 would indicate a change in maybe not the end goal, but at least your attitude / thoughts in regards to women.
I get that it takes time to adjust to a new paradigm. The problem is, in this new paradigm, the result gas changed. Your car analogy doesn't quite fit becausebecause it's more like you got a new car and now it only moves if you've decided on a new destination. Which is totally useless, you don't buy a car so it can tell you where to go, you buy a car so you can go where you want to go.
As for the "as above so below" I'm still not following you. Not to mention I don't believe that philosophy anyhow. I once approached a woman and she was all like "I know it takes a lot of courage to approach" but it didn't at all. That's not the first time that the external reality didn't match my internal state either. It's happening more and more.
I have a different philosophy: people are dumb.
(05-31-2016, 06:19 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ] (05-30-2016, 10:13 PM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]The issue is in defining the notion of "being worse off." While yes, I'm not winning as many matches as I have in the past, I'm also beyond relieved that I've let go of all that anger and rage that was fueling those "wins" in the first place. In the grand scheme of things, I can still handle myself against the random person on the street, and I'm sure I'll eventually learn how to wield my newly acquired mindset in the ring -- so what did I REALLY lose outside of a toxic mindset? In my case, what's happened is a refocusing from external validation (the winning of the fights) to internal validation (the perfect execution of the technique as an expression of self). Even calling that a "regression" is a bit unfair.
It's kinda like when I got my first 5-speed car -- I totally sucked. The mechanics of driving are essentially the same. You still press various pedals and the such to operate the car, but it does indeed require a modified mindset when driving. Did my driving ability "regress," or did I simply need time to get used to a new paradigm? I can Fast and Furious a 5-speed now and in fact, I now PREFER a 5-speed transmission. Just took awhile to get used to it. You've gotta pull the future into the present and experience it all at once rather than just looking at yourself in this narrow strip in time.
As for my comment about your end goal with women changing -- I can't say to a degree of certainty that they've shifted, but I adhere to the philosophy of watching shifts in a person's outward behavior to discover shifts in their inner world (as above, so below and all that good stuff). In your case, it was the fact that you began cold approaching with a fervor. Going from 0 to 100 would indicate a change in maybe not the end goal, but at least your attitude / thoughts in regards to women.
I get that it takes time to adjust to a new paradigm. The problem is, in this new paradigm, the result gas changed. Your car analogy doesn't quite fit becausebecause it's more like you got a new car and now it only moves if you've decided on a new destination. Which is totally useless, you don't buy a car so it can tell you where to go, you buy a car so you can go where you want to go.
As for the "as above so below" I'm still not following you. Not to mention I don't believe that philosophy anyhow. I once approached a woman and she was all like "I know it takes a lot of courage to approach" but it didn't at all. That's not the first time that the external reality didn't match my internal state either. It's happening more and more.
I have a different philosophy: people are dumb.
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I thought the "car analogy" was a great example!!
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SargeMaximus
I believe you recently wrote you are bi. My thought when you said you were getting worse with women as time has gone by... was maybe you should focus exclusively on men.
(05-30-2016, 09:04 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (05-30-2016, 08:53 PM)Jakeb203 Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon I have this dilemma. I have been switching BASE and AM back and forth so far. Right now I am confused as to the more programs I run, the more I try to consciously maintain the previous programmings which sometimes gets very tiring. For example when I am running BASE I tend to consciously focus on AM programming so it does not evaporate. I seem to care a lot about this because I don't want the previous efforts to go away. But I don't know if focusing on my previous sub runs will distract my current run, maybe I am not getting the most out of it? In my mind I always try to have this image of having different programs combining into one coherent piece. What do you recommend to focus your attention on during every new run? Should you spend half of your effort maintaining, or virtually none just the current one? My personality seem to be the "forgetting" type that's why I don't want to lose every previous runs. Also, the more programs I run in the future, say SM, WM, how do you make sure that all programs stick effortlessly?
Are you sing AM all the way through each time?
I suggest you run the program and get on with your life. If you aren't finished achieving the goals of one program... run it again until you have.
I don't think it's been said enough but thanks Shannon especially now for creating something as powerful as this(5.5g/6g) and giving guys the power to change their life. That alone is a game changer ?
(05-31-2016, 08:04 AM)Alpha Male mo Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think it's been said enough but thanks Shannon especially now for creating something as powerful as this(5.5g/6g) and giving guys the power to change their life. That alone is a game changer ?
Yeah, it's great and all I guess,
But he really needs to make an imagination sub...that'd be a REAL life changer...
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Quote:Well I'm doing this on my phone so I can't get too lengthy, but aside from all you stated, I have to ask why, when following this grand advice, I get worse results? Explain that.
I mean, back to women, when I hate them they love me and when I love them they hate me. As above so below lol.
You're not even addressing the times that I've mentioned where people have been dead wrong about me as was the case with the woman I approached who assumed it was difficult for me.
Quote: Sarge man, why don't you just do what works?
Just hate all beautiful women and they will all love you. Sorted.
I want to, but I feel bad about it. I still have old programming telling me to act a certain way around women. It doesn't help that a lot of puas are now preaching the "love/tolerate" way, which feeds those shitty beliefs.
Shannon, it seems like you're going to have a spike in sales in the next couple weeks. Happy for you.
So who's running this sub from release? I'm excited. After achieving results with both DAOS and BIATBWS, and having quicker and more success in terms of what the subs aim to achieve compared to my SM runs this sub is going to be an atomic bomb for me. I hope. Never been more excited for a sub release lol, Don't get paid until Friday though, if it comes out sooner I hope early adopters update with any experiences pretty quickly.
(05-31-2016, 09:18 AM)Minititan Wrote: [ -> ]So who's running this sub from release? I'm excited. After achieving results with both DAOS and BIATBWS, and having quicker and more success in terms of what the subs aim to achieve compared to my SM runs this sub is going to be an atomic bomb for me. I hope. Never been more excited for a sub release lol, Don't get paid until Friday though, if it comes out sooner I hope early adopters update with any experiences pretty quickly.
I'm not, but I'm happy for you, bro. This program sounds incredible.
As I said way back, your journal was my inspiration to buy SM3. You should do really well on this program. I'll be eager to see how you do on it.
(05-31-2016, 08:51 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Well I'm doing this on my phone so I can't get too lengthy, but aside from all you stated, I have to ask why, when following this grand advice, I get worse results? Explain that.
I mean, back to women, when I hate them they love me and when I love them they hate me. As above so below lol.
You're not even addressing the times that I've mentioned where people have been dead wrong about me as was the case with the woman I approached who assumed it was difficult for me.
The modern man is being completely emasculated and masculinity as a whole is under fire. Men are being tricked into thinking that there's something wrong with having a strong natural masculine polarity and women are being tricked into thinking there's something wrong with rewarding masculine energy with a strong feminine polarity.
You know when a woman's exhibiting her natural feminine essence -- she'll smile, act submissive and will generally give up her will to the masculine energy.
As a result of this weird societal conditioning, the entire "game" has been screwed up and what we have now are two distinct binaries -- perversions of natural order. This binary consists of the emasculated male on one end and the frustrated men who now simply don't give a f*ck on the other. There are very few men that find a healthy boundary somewhere in-between (which requires a sense of self-mastery, hence AM6's emphasis on self-actualization). When faced with the choice between a completely emasculated man who supplicates to the woman (a complete reversal of the natural law), or a man that "hates" her, but at least has a strong sense of self that doesn't rely on HER for identity, she'll choose the latter.
This is why you see more results when you "hate" women. You're closer to the natural order of things than the directionless, emasculated man who runs around crying and professing his everlasting love even when she doesn't deserve it.
PUA's are picking up on this binary and attempting to correct it by directing men away from the anger, but unfortunately, since PUA culture consists of mostly surface level changes, it's STILL not enough to correct the societal damage to the male collective conscious -- another instance of as above, so below. The male collective consciousness has been neutered and forced to act more feminine (as above) and the physical manifestation of that damage is women becoming more masculine (as below).
Also, you seem to have an issue understanding that "as above, so below" doesn't refer to your conscious day-to-day thoughts. It refers to your subconscious beliefs, which you don't have conscious direct access to. Hence, why subliminals work. You're changing the underlying source code of the SargeMaximus program (as above), so that it executes differently on the PHYSICAL REALM (as below) than it did before.
(05-31-2016, 09:21 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ] (05-31-2016, 08:51 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: [ -> ]Well I'm doing this on my phone so I can't get too lengthy, but aside from all you stated, I have to ask why, when following this grand advice, I get worse results? Explain that.
I mean, back to women, when I hate them they love me and when I love them they hate me. As above so below lol.
You're not even addressing the times that I've mentioned where people have been dead wrong about me as was the case with the woman I approached who assumed it was difficult for me.
The modern man is being completely emasculated and masculinity as a whole is under fire. Men are being tricked into thinking that there's something wrong with having a strong natural masculine polarity and women are being tricked into thinking there's something wrong with rewarding masculine energy with a strong feminine polarity.
You know when a woman's exhibiting her natural feminine essence -- she'll smile, act submissive and will generally give up her will to the masculine energy.
As a result of this weird societal conditioning, the entire "game" has been screwed up and what we have now are two distinct binaries -- perversions of natural order. This binary consists of the emasculated male on one end and the frustrated men who now simply don't give a f*ck on the other. There are very few men that find a healthy boundary somewhere in-between (which requires a sense of self-mastery, hence AM6's emphasis on self-actualization). When faced with the choice between a completely emasculated man who supplicates to the woman (a complete reversal of the natural law), or a man that "hates" her, but at least has a strong sense of self that doesn't rely on HER for identity, she'll choose the latter.
This is why you see more results when you "hate" women. You're closer to the natural order of things than the directionless, emasculated man who runs around crying and professing his everlasting love even when she doesn't deserve it.
PUA's are picking up on this binary and attempting to correct it by directing men away from the anger, but unfortunately, since PUA culture consists of mostly surface level changes, it's STILL not enough to correct the societal damage to the male collective conscious -- another instance of as above, so below. The male collective consciousness has been neutered and forced to act more feminine (as above) and the physical manifestation of that damage is women becoming more masculine (as below).
Also, you seem to have an issue understanding that "as above, so below" doesn't refer to your conscious day-to-day thoughts. It refers to your subconscious beliefs, which you don't have conscious direct access to. Hence, why subliminals work. You're changing the underlying source code of the SargeMaximus program (as above), so that it executes differently on the PHYSICAL REALM (as below) than it did before.
Ok fair enough with the as above so below. I think I get it but what should I do? The hating women thing works but I get intense guilt from it and then stop and f*ck up the attraction.
