Subliminal Talk

(11-09-2016, 08:05 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-09-2016, 07:56 PM)Steven Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon,

I wanted to thank you for making so much progress on DMSI today because I know you are busy with other things, and besides... I'm hungry to get v3.x ASAP.

Also that perception alteration is really a cool idea! Almost psychadelic! I've been looking forward to being a 10!

I am focused on building DMSI 3.0.1 because I am still waiting for contracts to get into the right hands with regards to the custom job. I plan to work on that full time until I get paid for the custom job, and then I will prioritize the custom job. In the mean time I am trying to achieve all I can while I have the opportunity.

I am also hungry for 3.0.1.

But I want to point out to you that I never said 3.0.1 will make you a 10. I said it is designed to increase your perceived attractiveness, status and value as much as possible, and that I believe it is possible to increase it between 1 to 3 points and possibly more. To take a 1 and make them seem to be a 10 to a 10, you would have to use direct hypnosis or NLP likely executed at the master skill and experience level. What I am doing is perceptual alteration through a secondary source (your aura), which I expect to be possible to some degree, but it will surprise the hell out of me if a 1 - 6 could snag a 10 with it.

I am aiming, however, to snag as many 10's for you guys (and myself) as possible.

If I'm already a 9 does that mean I'll be perceived as an 11-12?

Shannon do you believe that the concept of Sigma and Ascendant alpha are a near perfect match or do you believe they are different somehow? Is an ascendant alpha the step above sigma? I've read that the sigma is the equivalent in status of a low alpha male or a high level beta and so I was thinking maybe the ascendant alpha is a more developed sigma who is the equivalent of a high level alpha male. Can't find the link to the site I got my info from.

Hi Shannon!

I am just curious, you mentioned previously that some of the additions to V3.0.1 will be:

1. Preventing self sabotage. How in depth does this go?

2. Overcoming the self limiting beliefs that hold some of you in place. How in depth does this go?

3. Does this post refer to the first two points only, or are there other things being put into the clearing modules? http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-1233-p...#pid140902

4. This post in particular interests me due to the large numbers of females I already know. What exactly is going on with this part of the script and how should it function for us? http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-1233-p...#pid141110

5. What does statement #3 deal with? You never mentioned it compared to the others. http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-1233-p...#pid141427

6. Statement #4 to AOSI tuning which is designed to cause those affected to change how they perceive the user to being all of what they sexually desire. Also the statement #6 is intriguing. What exactly is going on with these parts of the script and how should they function for us?

7. I'm a bit confused by this recent use of the AOSI term in your posts when the program was renamed DMSI awhile ago. I was just surprised to see that name again and didn't understand what was going on, even the term "AOSI tuning" I'm not familiar with.

If you could give some info on each of those points, I'd greatly appreciate it. Some things I'm very interested in and that I feel will have a direct impact on me and my situation, personally.

Thanks, Shannon. I'm betting V3.0.1 will get the end goal for at least several guys, it seems like a MAJOR step forward. I'm very excited, these next 3 weeks or whatever it will take to get this in my hands will be slower than molasses.

(11-09-2016, 02:34 PM)bits Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not saying looks don't matter or they don't help, but you have to understand where this language of "incel" and "normie" comes from - shut ins who isolate themselves in their room for days on end and don't like interacting with the world. If you want to join them then fine go join them but if you're willing to step outside for a minute you'll see plenty of guys who fit under "genetic trash" with women. The only difference is they bother to leave the house.

This make me remember something. When I was in highs school there were a guy who had a below average look, he had acne all over, wasn't tall, wasn't pretty by all those standard and yet had a lot of women with him, girlfriend, friend girls, etc.

@posh
At best that scale would be useful more to rate a woman than a man, as this rating view comes more from a male perspective. But a male perceptive that is very distorted.
The only thing I find useful in all that is the broad jaw, all the rest seems distorted.

(11-10-2016, 12:42 AM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]7. I'm a bit confused by this recent use of the AOSI term in your posts when the program was renamed DMSI awhile ago. I was just surprised to see that name again and didn't understand what was going on, even the term "AOSI tuning" I'm not familiar with.

"A" stands for "aura," which is the energetic field responsible for communicating a lot of information to other people, so I assume he's tuning the aura programming. Still an aura non-believer?

(11-09-2016, 09:17 PM)ffaux Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon if I've got about a month and a half before I start AM6 again am I better off having a longer break or running stage 7 until x weeks before I start (how many weeks?). I don't feel like I've fully accepted AM6, will stage 7 be detrimental? How does stage 7 compare to stage 6? It seems like stage 6 is meant to be close to the full script from the FAQ?

Stage 7 will never be detrimental to use; the issue is that until you've laid the ground work, it will be overwhelming for most people. That's why we still have stages 1 through 6. If I could just build and publish Stage 7, well hell, everyone would be happier. But humans don't grow in binary results.

Stage 6 is a final push on some of the last concepts to be worked on, it adds a "glossy varnish coat", and it exalts the SM lead in material. Stage 7 is effectively Stages 1 through 6 all in one stage. Big difference.

Stage 7 is intended to be either a way to force march your growth after you have finished stages 1 through 6, but are not "there" yet (which most people find they can't handle the intensity of), or a way to refresh stages 1 through 6 once they have gotten "there".

So the question is... do you want to do a 30 mile forced march, or just wait a while and do 5 mile marches at a time?

(11-09-2016, 10:41 PM)robstar Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-09-2016, 08:05 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-09-2016, 07:56 PM)Steven Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon,

I wanted to thank you for making so much progress on DMSI today because I know you are busy with other things, and besides... I'm hungry to get v3.x ASAP.

Also that perception alteration is really a cool idea! Almost psychadelic! I've been looking forward to being a 10!

I am focused on building DMSI 3.0.1 because I am still waiting for contracts to get into the right hands with regards to the custom job. I plan to work on that full time until I get paid for the custom job, and then I will prioritize the custom job. In the mean time I am trying to achieve all I can while I have the opportunity.

I am also hungry for 3.0.1.

But I want to point out to you that I never said 3.0.1 will make you a 10. I said it is designed to increase your perceived attractiveness, status and value as much as possible, and that I believe it is possible to increase it between 1 to 3 points and possibly more. To take a 1 and make them seem to be a 10 to a 10, you would have to use direct hypnosis or NLP likely executed at the master skill and experience level. What I am doing is perceptual alteration through a secondary source (your aura), which I expect to be possible to some degree, but it will surprise the hell out of me if a 1 - 6 could snag a 10 with it.

I am aiming, however, to snag as many 10's for you guys (and myself) as possible.

If I'm already a 9 does that mean I'll be perceived as an 11-12?

In order to not stagnate while fiddling with all kinds of options on just one section, I have decided to limit the potential of the script to "stunningly attractive" instead of try to push for unearthly beauty. So the program will be attempting to cause them to perceive you as being "stunningly attractive", regardless of how you would appear to them otherwise.

In other words... if it succeeds... it would make you a 9, 10 or 11, depending on the person you're dealing with and what they define as a "10". And, of course, how well this actually works... it may need significant tweaking in the future, but it seems to be showing well in the models. I figured I would aim for the stars. Why not.

(11-09-2016, 11:45 PM)Frosted Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon do you believe that the concept of Sigma and Ascendant alpha are a near perfect match or do you believe they are different somehow? Is an ascendant alpha the step above sigma? I've read that the sigma is the equivalent in status of a low alpha male or a high level beta and so I was thinking maybe the ascendant alpha is a more developed sigma who is the equivalent of a high level alpha male. Can't find the link to the site I got my info from.

I do not have a current and in depth definition of Sigma Male to work with for comparison. It's been a while since I read the description of that concept. But an ascendant alpha is a high level alpha, one who is so self secure that even self deception on how self secure he is, is unnecessary anymore. It's almost like a state of "enlightenment" for alpha-ness. It in many ways actually transcends what alpha is commonly understood to be.

If memory serves, Sigma male was not a low level alpha, but the rogue wolf alpha, who operates outside the normal hierarchy. The ascendant alpha does the same thing, but I don't remember how much of the rest was in common.

The ascendant alpha is effectively so alpha that s/he doesn't need anyone else to know it, and doesn't even care if they know it, as long as they are being treated with a reasonable amount of decency and respect.

(11-10-2016, 12:42 AM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Shannon!

I am just curious, you mentioned previously that some of the additions to V3.0.1 will be:

1. Preventing self sabotage. How in depth does this go?

62.125 centimeters deep. It's designed, as part of the healing/clearing module, to tunnel as deep and broad as necessary to achieve it's goal, given enough time and exposure.

Quote:2. Overcoming the self limiting beliefs that hold some of you in place. How in depth does this go?

See the answer to Q1.

Quote:3. Does this post refer to the first two points only, or are there other things being put into the clearing modules? http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-1233-p...#pid140902

The additions to the clearing modules are aimed at being the equivalent of Seal Team Six: small grouping, highly focused, and exactly what is necessary to get the job done. In other words, highly focused and highly polymorphic - but not "at your own pace".

Quote:4. This post in particular interests me due to the large numbers of females I already know. What exactly is going on with this part of the script and how should it function for us? http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-1233-p...#pid141110

It is aimed at being similar in effect to Allo-THDOC and others, in effect a subliminal result like that of the "reset" pheromone(s). It's aimed at triggering the affected brain to decide that their previous classification of you is in error, and change it to "must fuck - NOW."

How long this takes, how well this works, and what tweaks it needs (if any) remain to be seen. But we are going to try it.

Quote:5. What does statement #3 deal with? You never mentioned it compared to the others. http://subliminal-talk.com/thread-1233-p...#pid141427

#1 aims to cause them to perceive you as being stunningly attractive.
#2 aims to cause them to perceive you as being much higher value than they are.
#3 aims to cause them to perceive you as being their ideal sexual choice and higher value than they are in terms of status.
#4 aims to add to #3 by getting them to perceive you as being everything they want and need sexually, and in a sexual partner.
And #5, which I have not started working on, will be aimed at causing a "celebrity" level status enhancement, and causing them to see it as being "no big deal" to approach because there is already a familiarity and level of comfort present that would result from having already had amazing sex with the user, and being comfortable with approaching and initiating, regardless of the stunning nature of their status and good looks. This one is going to be very hard to pull off because it is sort of a self contradiction, but I will try.

Quote:6. Statement #4 to AOSI tuning which is designed to cause those affected to change how they perceive the user to being all of what they sexually desire. Also the statement #6 is intriguing. What exactly is going on with these parts of the script and how should they function for us?

It's attempting to alter the perception of the affected person primarily through your energy field, but also uses every other possible avenue: body language, speech patterns, attitude, choices, actions, etc. to convey these things.

I'm not sure what you are referring to with "statement #6".

Quote:7. I'm a bit confused by this recent use of the AOSI term in your posts when the program was renamed DMSI awhile ago. I was just surprised to see that name again and didn't understand what was going on, even the term "AOSI tuning" I'm not familiar with.

AOSI is no longer the name of the program, but it as an acronym still makes things easier than typing "aura of sexual irresistibility" all the time.

Quote:If you could give some info on each of those points, I'd greatly appreciate it. Some things I'm very interested in and that I feel will have a direct impact on me and my situation, personally.

Thanks, Shannon. I'm betting V3.0.1 will get the end goal for at least several guys, it seems like a MAJOR step forward. I'm very excited, these next 3 weeks or whatever it will take to get this in my hands will be slower than molasses.

It is a huge step up, which is why it's 3.0.1 instead of 2.6. But it is a huge step up, so it will introduce a lot of new stuff that will doubtless need tweaking in the future, so I am pretty sure the "final" will be in the 3.x branch, but not 3.0.1.

I know it;s human nature to be excited and get your hopes up, but it will be better for both of us if you remain neutral and simply observe and report. No expectations. We don't know how well a lot of this will, or even can, work yet.

Shannon, I know it's been a while since US 3G, but if you were to use it alongside a manifestation sub and only focused on that, approximately how much would it boost the speed / success rate?

And also, I read a story on the forum about how you used MUWAS for almost a year and got results, was there anything else you were using with it?

(11-10-2016, 07:05 AM)Cozy Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, I know it's been a while since US 3G, but if you were to use it alongside a manifestation sub and only focused on that, approximately how much would it boost the speed / success rate?

And also, I read a story on the forum about how you used MUWAS for almost a year and got results, was there anything else you were using with it?

Q1: I don't know. Theoretically, it might help. Then again, it might distract and reduce energy to the goal, too...

Q2: No. I try to practice what I preach, even though lately that has been impossible for reasons outside my control.

(11-10-2016, 07:05 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]It is aimed at being similar in effect to Allo-THDOC and others, in effect a subliminal result like that of the "reset" pheromone(s). It's aimed at triggering the affected brain to decide that their previous classification of you is in error, and change it to "must **** - NOW."

#3 aims to cause them to perceive you as being their ideal sexual choice and higher value than they are in terms of status.
#4 aims to add to #3 by getting them to perceive you as being everything they want and need sexually, and in a sexual partner.
And #5, which I have not started working on, will be aimed at causing a "celebrity" level status enhancement, and causing them to see it as being "no big deal" to approach because there is already a familiarity and level of comfort present that would result from having already had amazing sex with the user, and being comfortable with approaching and initiating, regardless of the stunning nature of their status and good looks. This one is going to be very hard to pull off because it is sort of a self contradiction, but I will try.

1) So we have the TAC effect and now the Allo-THDOC effect. Can you put in the 3ß-Androstanediol effect(s) too? (I think that was the secret ingredient in the raved about and legendary A314 versions.)

2) I think you also mentioned that there was a classification of "must **** - NOW and FOREVER". Is that still in there?

3) In terms of the aims being contradictory, it seems to me women (and even many people) live in an inner world of contradictions so I would expect you could pull this off.

4) Seems all these aims are consistent with a woman being sexually motivated. Higher value than themselves in status. Everything they want and need sexually and as a sexual partner. Familiarity. Comfort. And the celebrity status (which I'm guessing includes feelings of awe and admiration). I know logically this may appear as contradictions, but I think sex has a logic of it's own, and I think this all fits well together.

Besides I don't think a woman is going to say "Hey! Wait a minute! Why do I think of this guy like my favorite celebrity yet it just feels so natural and normal?" Even if she does wonder, I think she'll be "too busy wanting to hold on to and enjoy the feelings and reinforcing those feelings to effectively maintain them". But then again, perhaps that should be added too just to be safe.

(11-10-2016, 07:41 AM)Steven Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-10-2016, 07:05 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]It is aimed at being similar in effect to Allo-THDOC and others, in effect a subliminal result like that of the "reset" pheromone(s). It's aimed at triggering the affected brain to decide that their previous classification of you is in error, and change it to "must **** - NOW."

#3 aims to cause them to perceive you as being their ideal sexual choice and higher value than they are in terms of status.
#4 aims to add to #3 by getting them to perceive you as being everything they want and need sexually, and in a sexual partner.
And #5, which I have not started working on, will be aimed at causing a "celebrity" level status enhancement, and causing them to see it as being "no big deal" to approach because there is already a familiarity and level of comfort present that would result from having already had amazing sex with the user, and being comfortable with approaching and initiating, regardless of the stunning nature of their status and good looks. This one is going to be very hard to pull off because it is sort of a self contradiction, but I will try.

1) So we have the TAC effect and now the Allo-THDOC effect. Can you put in the 3ß-Androstanediol effect(s) too? (I think that was the secret ingredient in the raved about and legendary A314 versions.)

One step at a time, my friend. I'm working on it.

Quote:2) I think you also mentioned that there was a classification of "must **** - NOW and FOREVER". Is that still in there?

In the wording that won the modeling runs. Maybe not exactly like that...

Quote:3) In terms of the aims being contradictory, it seems to me women (and even many people) live in an inner world of contradictions so I would expect you could pull this off.

We are certainly going to try.

Quote:4) Seems all these aims are consistent with a woman being sexually motivated. Higher value than themselves in status. Everything they want and need sexually and as a sexual partner. Familiarity. Comfort. And the celebrity status (which I'm guessing includes feelings of awe and admiration). I know logically this may appear as contradictions, but I think sex has a logic of it's own, and I think this all fits well together.

I may have to adjust some of that to be polymorphic in the future to keep it truly gender unspecified in user base, but we will take it as it comes.

Quote:Besides I don't think a woman is going to say "Hey! Wait a minute! Why do I think of this guy like my favorite celebrity yet it just feels so natural and normal?" Even if she does wonder, I think she'll be "too busy wanting to hold on to and enjoy the feelings and reinforcing those feelings to effectively maintain them". But then again, perhaps that should be added too just to be safe.

The reactions I am triggering are below the threshhold of consciousness at first, and they are not coming through the neo-cortex. The parts of the rain processing these are not capable of logic. That's why you say "sex has a logic of it's own". What you're saying is that women (and men probably are too) are in large part irrational when it comes to sex.

(11-10-2016, 07:46 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]What you're saying is that women (and men probably are too) are in large part irrational when it comes to sex.

Exactly. Haven't there been allegations in history that a man's choice of sexual partners led to the downfall of his empire? Not logical at all.

Also, what about an effect in v3.x about "those affected feel concerned/worried that the user may not want to have sex with them and/or not have sex with them". I realize you might not want to use worried or nervous, but I don't know how else to convey that particular concept of both moving towards sex with the user (excited anticipation about having sex with the user AND relief when they finally do have sex with the user, and please the user) and away from not having sex with the user because I think both to and away from are necessary. Also perhaps this could be a recursive loop that builds as time passes when not having sex with the user.