Subliminal Talk

(08-19-2016, 04:54 AM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2016, 08:35 PM)maxx55 Wrote: [ -> ]Unfortunately, v3 is a shift in both goal phrasing and energy sourcing (compared to v1). Maybe if it under performs, we get a version that uses v1's goal phrasing and keeps the improved energy sourcing. We'll just have to wait and see.

I know you're using E2. You didn't experience each version of DMSI as I did. V1's goal phrasing was the same (or very similar) to BIABWS. It was hit or miss, but the aura was very apparent. And it always seemed to affect older women the most. I affected more women I found attractive on 2.1, and 2.2 would have been amazing if the aura didn't have a conflict in the scripting. Don't glorify V1 when you didn't run it - it wasn't that great.

Sorry, Boss -- v1 was balls to the wall kickass (at least for me). I would pay $299 - $500 for this:

A two subliminal set.

Stage One: Focused on healing. It's a version of E2 directly aimed at achieving the target goal. Heals in the background like E2. Heals you at your own pace. Hides the pain from the conscious mind. Intuitively lets you know when you're ready for Stage 2.

Stage Two: v1's aura + upgraded NSFM (not "Natural Seduction for EVERYONE," as Shannon put it) that puts me in a fierce, hunting mode + the state-shifting and autopilot.

Why not NSFE, chaos? Well, this is pure speculation, but I think the gender neutral thing is holding DMSI back. A lot of people get annoyed when they hear "gender neutral" because they think of all the craziness in the news. When I hear "gender neutral," at least in regards to DMSI, I think of it from the perspective of a businessman: Shannon doesn't want to have to develop, maintain and support multiple SKUs. Solution? Make a turnkey, all-in-one version.

Here's my issue -- and again, this is PURE speculation, so I may be completely off-base. Men and women have distinct (and almost opposing) sexual strategies. If I had to guess, the autopilot and state-shifting technologies are evolved versions of the tech in NSFM. I imagine those functions work by instructing the subconscious to provide the proper knowledge to the conscious mind to achieve the target goal. However, I bet NSFM also contained direct instructions on seducing women, based upon Shannon's research in human sexuality. In simpler terms, a man that HAD no knowledge of seduction would receive some from the subliminal -- ala Sex Magnet -- which would contribute to his success.

Theoretically, a "Natural Seduction for Everyone," would lack these extra instructions and would rely completely on the autopilot and state-shifting tech. As we've seen with v2.1 and v2.2, the autopilot tech doesn't seem to be kicking in for inexperienced men -- hence the whole, "I don't know what to do with these IOIs" issue.

In my opinion, the best way to reach the target goal is separating the subs into multiple SKUs. Think about it -- most women are inundated with male attention anyway. It's not "more male attention" that they want, it's "more alpha male" attention. A SKU dedicated to women could possess that specific phrasing, making it a much more worthwhile investment for them.

That being said, we still have to remember that this is still the exploratory stage of brand new science. You can't expect Shannon to get it right the first time because there's no precedence for what's being done here. Most people still don't even believe it's possible. I was telling a good friend of mine about this and he was looking at me like I was absolutely crazy. Shannon mentioned in another thread that developing this correctly is probably harder than going to the moon. People disagreed. Think about it -- there's been a number of successful lunar landings. The powers that be KNOW how to do it. Yes, it's difficult, expensive and requires a HUGE staff. However, it's been done. Multiple times. There's a manual. There's no manual whatsoever to developing something like DMSI.

(08-19-2016, 10:04 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-19-2016, 04:54 AM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-18-2016, 08:35 PM)maxx55 Wrote: [ -> ]Unfortunately, v3 is a shift in both goal phrasing and energy sourcing (compared to v1). Maybe if it under performs, we get a version that uses v1's goal phrasing and keeps the improved energy sourcing. We'll just have to wait and see.

I know you're using E2. You didn't experience each version of DMSI as I did. V1's goal phrasing was the same (or very similar) to BIABWS. It was hit or miss, but the aura was very apparent. And it always seemed to affect older women the most. I affected more women I found attractive on 2.1, and 2.2 would have been amazing if the aura didn't have a conflict in the scripting. Don't glorify V1 when you didn't run it - it wasn't that great.

Sorry, Boss -- v1 was balls to the wall kickass (at least for me). I would pay $299 - $500 for this:

A two subliminal set.

Stage One: Focused on healing. It's a version of E2 directly aimed at achieving the target goal. Heals in the background like E2. Heals you at your own pace. Hides the pain from the conscious mind. Intuitively lets you know when you're ready for Stage 2.

Stage Two: v1's aura + upgraded NSFM (not "Natural Seduction for EVERYONE," as Shannon put it) that puts me in a fierce, hunting mode + the state-shifting and autopilot.

Why not NSFE, chaos? Well, this is pure speculation, but I think the gender neutral thing is holding DMSI back. A lot of people get annoyed when they hear "gender neutral" because they think of all the craziness in the news. When I hear "gender neutral," at least in regards to DMSI, I think of it from the perspective of a businessman: Shannon doesn't want to have to develop, maintain and support multiple SKUs. Solution? Make a turnkey, all-in-one version.

Here's my issue -- and again, this is PURE speculation, so I may be completely off-base. Men and women have distinct (and almost opposing) sexual strategies. If I had to guess, the autopilot and state-shifting technologies are evolved versions of the tech in NSFM. I imagine those functions work by instructing the subconscious to provide the proper knowledge to the conscious mind to achieve the target goal. However, I bet NSFM also contained direct instructions on seducing women, based upon Shannon's research in human sexuality. In simpler terms, a man that HAD no knowledge of seduction would receive some from the subliminal -- ala Sex Magnet -- which would contribute to his success.

Theoretically, a "Natural Seduction for Everyone," would lack these extra instructions and would rely completely on the autopilot and state-shifting tech. As we've seen with v2.1 and v2.2, the autopilot tech doesn't seem to be kicking in for inexperienced men -- hence the whole, "I don't know what to do with these IOIs" issue.

In my opinion, the best way to reach the target goal is separating the subs into multiple SKUs. Think about it -- most women are inundated with male attention anyway. It's not "more male attention" that they want, it's "more alpha male" attention. A SKU dedicated to women could possess that specific phrasing, making it a much more worthwhile investment for them.

That being said, we still have to remember that this is still the exploratory stage of brand new science. You can't expect Shannon to get it right the first time because there's no precedence for what's being done here. Most people still don't even believe it's possible. I was telling a good friend of mine about this and he was looking at me like I was absolutely crazy. Shannon mentioned in another thread that developing this correctly is probably harder than going to the moon. People disagreed. Think about it -- there's been a number of successful lunar landings. The powers that be KNOW how to do it. Yes, it's difficult, expensive and requires a HUGE staff. However, it's been done. Multiple times. There's a manual. There's no manual whatsoever to developing something like DMSI.

Please list:

How many loops you used AOSI total:
How many loops you used 2.1 total:
How many loops you used 2.2 total:
How many of any of those loops were used stand alone with no other subliminal?:

I'll stand by your usage of 2.3, after AM6 is complete.

v1 was out of this world. The attention is similar to using 10+ drops of Aqua Vitae. I had over a 100 (not like I counted) hits in less than 2 hours wearing AV in a busy shopping street. v1 generated similar results, but in a different way. So that speaks volumes about it's potency.

Chaos, awesome idea. I've been contemplating getting NSFM. Main reason is that work and boring day to day shit can throw me off a desired state sometimes. v1 + NSFM and I'll gladly pay up. It'll be immense for true.

(08-19-2016, 10:12 AM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]Please list:

How many loops you used AOSI total:
How many loops you used 2.1 total:
How many loops you used 2.2 total:
How many of any of those loops were used stand alone with no other subliminal?:

I'll stand by your usage of 2.3, after AM6 is complete.

I don't need to list any of that, because every time I run v1, I reach the target goal. The one time I ran 2.2, I bombed out like no other. I'll get to why that's relevant in one moment. First...

You can argue that n = 1 is useless, but I'll have to point out that:

One -- Your claim that v1 "wasn't that great" is also equates to n = 1.
Two -- One can simply look at the journals and see that the most sex / closest calls to sex (like Kenpachi's experience of a woman begging him to f*ck her) occurred on v1.

Attempting to discredit those experiences based on the number of my loops is bad science, bad logic and a failure to look at this issue from an objective standpoint, especially since Shannon has thrown out the rulebook in regards to 5.5g tech. 5.5g tech is unpredictable, given the fact that two loops of v1 was giving me results for up to five days. In Shannon's case, he was experiencing results of v1 TWO WEEKS after he ran ONE loop.

Also, let's consider the odd changes in optimal loops as predicted by the models. With v1, the optimal amount of loops was something like two loops, then a jump to eight loops? Why? Well, we don't quite understand. I'm not sure if Shannon understands -- he just knows and trusts the models. v2.2 had an optimal loop amount of what? Three?

Again, number of of loops is not an indicator of anything other than... well, number of loops. The only true indicator at this point is experiences. And in my experiences, I was able to do more with v1's aura very, very quickly.

The point I'm making in all that is: You can't objectively claim that the v1's aura "wasn't that great." There's no evidence to support that. It's just an opinion, one that I disagree with.

EDIT: A much better argument would be focusing on versatility as a whole. v1's requirement for food is quite annoying, not to mention that it comes with some pretty brutal resistance. Every time I run it, I become obsessed with death -- including suicide. From what I understand, that means my subconscious is absolutely terrified of something that's in the script and is threatening to self-implode rather than cooperate. I'd be willing to bet that v2.2's healing was much more palatable and softer.

(08-19-2016, 10:21 AM)Sickologist Wrote: [ -> ]v1 was out of this world. The attention is similar to using 10+ drops of Aqua Vitae. I had over a 100 (not like I counted) hits in less than 2 hours wearing AV in a busy shopping street. v1 generated similar results, but in a different way. So that speaks volumes about it's potency.

Chaos, awesome idea. I've been contemplating getting NSFM. Main reason is that work and boring day to day shit can throw me off a desired state sometimes. v1 + NSFM and I'll gladly pay up. It'll be immense for true.

Just goes to show it all works different for everyone. You were/are a valid tester, IIRC. I had hits on V1 from people I never thought it'd work on (aka Muscle Vagina, if you read my journal), and old ladies. The rest of the time I was burning up, eating a shit ton of food, and drinking like a fish. Some (Minititatn and Kenpachi) saw major hits, then others (4K & Swisston) saw nothing. 2.1 was different in that I'd see major signs the aura was working at times, and other times it was like nothing happened at all. I also always felt like my brain was missing, and autopilot ran my life. 2.2, the healing was amazing. I rarely felt the aura, but the celebrity vibe was out of control, and my relationship with my wife went through the roof.

I never got much out of AV. It works amazing for some, it's a dud for others. I'm sure it's lifestyle related.

(08-19-2016, 08:46 AM)rayrocanaldo Wrote: [ -> ]There is two things I dislike about DMSI. It's the goal phrasing for getting sex & the gender neutral thing ( towards every person of the gender I am attracted to thing ).

The original Aura Of Sexiness could already be used by anybody of any sexual orientation. It was already gender neutral. It said on the website : " This title can be used by either gender, and can be used successfully by anyone of any sexual orientation. " AOS was already gender neutral. No need to make it gender neutral, the thing is gender neutral already. I think it makes the sub less effective cause The original AOS was effective as **** without it. You can check the testimonial section for testimonials of AOS.

Next is the goal phrasing. You can get the sex indirectly by working on the aura. Remember how frenchmagnet got sex with 70% of the beautiful women he knew in a group. The goal phrasing should be about building the hottest, sexiest & most alluring aura of irresistible sexiness possible not on getting sex. I think focusing on trying to get sex, makes it less effective. Anyways thats my 2 cent. What do you guys think.

I'll reiterate I haven't ran this personally yet.

However I think that since Shannon believes he can focus on accomplishing the goal of hot females approaching males for sex, then he should try and test every idea he has for making it happen. He knows his tech, he has a good idea of the limits. I believe he said he'll start specifying gender as the next major change if 2.3/2.4 don't work being for all genders.

If at any point Shannon thinks a focus on the aura would yield better and more blatant results then by all means he should change the goal of the program and start over again.

I just think 2.3 and 2.4 will probably show whether the goal has the right aim or not.

(08-19-2016, 10:27 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-19-2016, 10:12 AM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]Please list:

How many loops you used AOSI total:
How many loops you used 2.1 total:
How many loops you used 2.2 total:
How many of any of those loops were used stand alone with no other subliminal?:

I'll stand by your usage of 2.3, after AM6 is complete.

I don't need to list any of that, because every time I run v1, I reach the target goal. The one time I ran 2.2, I bombed out like no other. I'll get to why that's relevant in one moment. First...

You can argue that n = 1 is useless, but I'll have to point out that:

One -- Your claim that v1 "wasn't that great" is also equates to n = 1.
Two -- One can simply look at the journals and see that the most sex / closest calls to sex (like Kenpachi's experience of a woman begging him to f*ck her) occurred on v1.

Attempting to discredit those experiences based on the number of my loops is bad science, bad logic and a failure to look at this issue from an objective standpoint, especially since Shannon has thrown out the rulebook in regards to 5.5g tech. 5.5g tech is unpredictable, given the fact that two loops of v1 was giving me results for up to five days. In Shannon's case, he was experiencing results of v1 TWO WEEKS after he ran ONE loop.

Also, let's consider the odd changes in optimal loops as predicted by the models. With v1, the optimal amount of loops was something like two loops, then a jump to eight loops? Why? Well, we don't quite understand. I'm not sure if Shannon understands -- he just knows and trusts the models. v2.2 had an optimal loop amount of what? Three?

Again, number of of loops is not an indicator of anything other than... well, number of loops. The only true indicator at this point is experiences. And in my experiences, I was able to do more with v1's aura very, very quickly.

The point I'm making in all that is: You can't objectively claim that the v1's aura "wasn't that great." There's no evidence to support that. It's just an opinion, one that I disagree with.

My argument is that, in your case, n=0 because you have never been a valid tester. I'm not making the "rules" here, Shannon is.

When it comes to my own experience, yes, I'm 1 tester. But, I'm 1 tester in a group of valid testers, a group that excludes you.

(08-19-2016, 10:21 AM)Sickologist Wrote: [ -> ]v1 was out of this world. The attention is similar to using 10+ drops of Aqua Vitae. I had over a 100 (not like I counted) hits in less than 2 hours wearing AV in a busy shopping street. v1 generated similar results, but in a different way. So that speaks volumes about it's potency.

Chaos, awesome idea. I've been contemplating getting NSFM. Main reason is that work and boring day to day shit can throw me off a desired state sometimes. v1 + NSFM and I'll gladly pay up. It'll be immense for true.

Yea, it was insane for me. As a hardcore introvert, sometimes I just wanna go out and feel invisible and do my thing. v1 won't allow that. At all. Use at your own risk. Even at boxing class last night, I was treated like a superstar. The coach kept giving me special attention. We were doing focus mitts and he spent like 15 minutes with me, as opposed to five with everyone else. People were like, wtf?

Also, there's this pretty lil' Mexican chick that trains there, who kept wanting to be my partner and giggling at everything I said.

I haven't even posted the experience with my baby mama. I haven't seen her for like 7 months. We hung out to discuss business and she was SO uncomfortable being there. Kept twirling her hair, revealing her neck (she was wearing a sun dress) and her skin kept turning a dark red (she's a very pale white woman). Finally, it got so crazy that she just ended up leaving.

Five minutes after she left, she called me and proceeded to chatter for like... two hours. Very apparent to me that my physical presence was turning her on so much that it was making her uncomfortable -- given that she's a newlywed -- and had to bounce. Then, proceeded to call because the impression was made and she wanted to talk to me.

Sorry. v1 was insane. But v2.3 is gonna rock our worlds, no doubt.

Of course it's gonna work differently for everybody. The aura makes up what, 5% of your overall sex appeal? If you have good looks, cool style and alpha body language v1 will put your entire being into overdrive. That's what I experienced. I don't post everything that happens in my life either. It was hard to distinguish what was causing what at times, but looking back, I know how well v1 worked. On new girls and girls I already knew.

I noticed some effects with 2.1 that were a pale shadow of v1. I didn't notice much from 2.2 othar than some weird emotional process I went through. For some reason, in these last days when I've been off subs, The Mack Is Back.

We need to figure out this NSFM thing though and how to incorporate it. Worst case scenario, I go back to v1 and run NSFM when needed. I have no problems with the constant hunger, come to think of it I almost miss it. Felt like unbreakable after a heavy meal and there was this huge presence around me. Adding the natural seduction for us busy folks who don't have to time to revel in random IOI's and we've got a killer sub on our hands.

(08-19-2016, 10:52 AM)Sickologist Wrote: [ -> ]The aura makes up what, 5% of your overall sex appeal?

Does it? It'd be nice if we had some objective way of measuring that.

(08-19-2016, 10:32 AM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]My argument is that, in your case, n=0 because you have never been a valid tester. I'm not making the "rules" here, Shannon is.

When it comes to my own experience, yes, I'm 1 tester. But, I'm 1 tester in a group of valid testers, a group that excludes you.

There, there, Boss. :: pats head::

Here's a cookie. It's a logic cookie. Made it myself. Take a bite. Let the euphoric bliss of superior reasoning flow through your synapses and into that mind.

You're right. I'm not a "valid tester." That doesn't mean that suddenly, all the times I got my d*ck wet via v1 (without having to deal with a nagging wife) disappears into the nether. In fact, one of my reports is / was listed on the DMSI testimonials page, which clearly shows that my experiences still have some merit.

You see, humans possess something called intuition. It allows us to make patterns and "intuit" things. And when someone goes from the Sahara desert of sexual dry spells to hot, nasty, unrestrained sex with a woman who showed NO interest in you for years (while her man sleeps in the next room)... two hours after running a subliminal DESIGNED TO DO JUST THAT, well... I mean, doesn't take a genius to realize there's a correlation there, gold plated "valid tester" badge or not.

Take another bite of that logic cookie. Mmmmm, that sh*t tastes good, don't it?

Of course, it's possible that my AM6 auras were influencing the v1 aura. Logic would dictate that it had SOME effect. That's why I referred to the fact that sex / close calls occurred the most in the v1 journals -- so much that Shannon had the idea to add the healing into later versions so they could actually handle the amount of attention they were receiving (which, I maintain is still a good idea. Looking forward to v2.4 for that reason).

So yes, I'm not a "valid tester." You wave that valid tester badge around. I'll sling around my rather successful AOSI v1 infused wet d*ck.

But moving on:

I don't think Shannon shares your opinion. While I may not be a "valid tester," my experiences still have significant worth. I bought AOSI when he predicted we could run it for two loops alongside 5g. If that was never said, I would NOT have bought this program until AM6 was done. So, I'll make myself clear: If all the time I've invested in reporting and testing this program is for naught, then refund my money and I'll roll on.

(08-19-2016, 11:03 AM)chaosvrgn Wrote: [ -> ]You're right. I'm not a "valid tester."

Thanks.

I wish there was a bulletproof way to measure that too, but it doesn't seem like it. Chaos' experience looks like it far surpasses 5%. As for me, it was very situational which is pretty obvious. In more candid settings, a girl/woman/psycho would try to seduce me with body language and IOI's, sometimes subtle, sometimes extremely obvious. These girls might have been interested anyway, maybe they were just picking up the aura and decided they were DTF, I don't know for sure. In bars and clubs I've been approached so many times since running AOS I've lost count. Girls I already knew? Hard to say, they already know me as some specific kind of guy. The level of hotness of the girl in question also matters. And age. What I'm getting at is that I genuinely beleive a guy attracts girls who are more or less on the same level as he is. That goes deeper than just looks, basically humans pick up a lot of information rapidly when meeting someone new (it's mostly about establishing a pecking order). Can't process all that with the concious mind, execpt from the very few perceptive ones. And simple things, like me wearing a t-shirt with a naked girl printed all over it may boost the effectiveness of the aura, valid screening method as if the aura wasn't already.

Walking down a crowded street, I attract attention regardless, but with v1 it was insane. And that's me looking back. Hard to calculate percentages here, but I think it's safe to say v1 created some extraordinary results, self effects were also amazing. But yeah, there's a lot to take into account.

(08-19-2016, 08:23 AM)Jones Wrote: [ -> ]I purchased DMSI for use after E2. While I have not listened to it yet, I believe it will get where it should be going, so I made a speculative buy.

That said, I keep reading about the "healing" in DMSI and it got me to thinking...

I am a big fan of a tool that does one job REALLY well (Linux user here).

Why put ANY kind of "healing" focus into a subliminal that is designed to stimulate purely sexual contact with the opposite sex?

You want healing? Buy E2.

The "kitchen sink" approach seems more likely to muddy the waters.

Agreed ! The healing should not be in DMSI. I feel like it has the potential to be a great sub but if it's well-designed and we don't stray off course from the goal too much.