Shannon's Journal Discussion

[Jones]

I just read Shannon's Journal about hours ago and He said that some people just disappointed with DMSI 2.1. Why?

Several reasons in my [not so] humble opinion:

1. Most of the users are young males who want a microwave solution. I.E. we're less than 5 days into testing a product that can take as much as 30 days to get measurable results.

2. It's an unknown, so even if it works faster, they may not know what to look for, or how to gauge its effectiveness.

3. I think folks are so anxious for results, that there may be a tendency to report the ordinary as extraordinary.

4. Many of the reports I have seen (from all the "attraction" type subs, not just this one) seem to report "perhaps," "maybe," "kinda sorta," and other such things as 'data.'

People are social creatures. Even if I were an ugly troll, when I check out at the grocery store, the attractive young female clerk is likely to smile and say "how are you doing today?" (at least here in the South). So if I get the warm tingly's in my belly, that just means I found her attractive, not that she was interested.

If she surreptitiously slips me her cell phone number and says "call me," then I call and she tells me that SHE got the warm tinglies when I spoke to her... NOW we're talking relevant results.

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It may be worth developing a standardized report form that folks can use for testing.

[cfact]

I'm pretty confident, but have never felt sexually desirable, despite being in good shape and not bad looking. I want to to be sexually attractive to women. That may indeed be for ego to a large extent, but I would also like to see where it leads my life. I am exploring my sexual side a bit more these days.

Feel exactly the same way.

I think I am 'desirable' in various ways to different degrees (financially, intellectually, physically)... but not sure about sexually (do I give off too much of either a nice guy or not interested vibe?!). Would be nice to know and feel that I am also sexually desirable.... to all sorts of women! More to do with confidence boosting than "ego stroking"

[Havana]

I don't know much about auras, so here's a couple questions. I believe that my subconscious protected me from opening up to people and being social because of my sensitive nature and being hurt in the past. This resulted in many years of loneliness and depression. Is it possible I have developed a "protective" aura of unfriendliness/unapproachability? If so, is this my "default" aura? If after few months I stop using an aura-generating sub, will it revert back? Or is it possible to have no aura whatsoever?

[Ricardo]

Aura is always there, it's just a case of what energy it's giving out at the time.

[LionKing]

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Interesting, this seems alike to my current experience with E2. Similar to yours, my journey is filled with a lot of apathy and depression. Late at night while almost falling asleep AND when waking up staying in bed are the moments when I discover a lot of things while reflecting on my thoughts.

I wonder if the depression will fade at any point, because it's a little debilitating. Maybe it's because I don't want to do the things I thought I did. Maybe it just accompanies big change and things that once seemed to matter, no longer do.
It's not easy seeing progress on E2, even thought there's constantly this feeling that something is indeed changing.

The weirdest thing is when some days I realize that I have changed in a particular way. The very next day it's no longer true. So is it change? Why the reversal?

Waking up and falling asleep is when the conscious and subconscious are at balance, and so communicate most easily between themselves.

Depression is, as far as I can see, usually caused by subconsciously feeling hopeless and/or angry. It is very likely that E2 is pushing you to deal with a fear you're trying hard to avoid, but can't. That could result in depression.

When you consciously notice a change and then the next day it's not true, what has happened is that you consciously changed back to what was previously, usually because the change scares you. Sometimes, changes need to be taken in baby steps, and occasionally, they need to be taken two steps forward, one step back.

I hope it does pass and for you Natious; I've noticed I can relate quite well to some of your posts in your journal - its insightful.

Agreed with Shannon: at least my depression does seem to stem for hopelessness and anger now that he said it. There's a certain way I'd like to be and life this life, but especially when I stop E2 for a couple of days I'll find there's a strong, debilitating feeling of hopelessness and powerlessness wrt. to achieving that. I want to feel confident, energetic, driven, playful, but of course also open, happy, and kind & loving in my own way. On E2 I have this feeling that its forcing me towards this 100% content, passive & blissful way of being - which would be fine except that I feel it takes away every tool I have to go for what I want, so I feel powerless but try to fight it -> hopelessness, anger -> depression, and then its starts to cycle down. I think the next step with E2 would just be let go of everything, but I'm not at all sure I can or want to do that. That represents death to me, in some way. Hopelessness, anger, depression - feeling those in my body I of course think "I should do more E2", but.. can I let go of wanting to be dominant and excited to settle for walking alone in parks looking at nature? Its always taken me effort to reach the states that I desire, so I think if I let go of that effort, then that's me giving up, because its not gonna happen otherwise. Sure, maybe I'd start spontaneously talking to people more, but become masculine and sexy again? Become directed when I'm programmed to release all tension? Then again, E2 offers peace - is there peace on AM/SM? At least I thought there was. Weird.

I definitely need to change something. E2 sort of feels good for it, but I'm just not sure I understand where its taking me enough to trust it.

[eternity]

I'm pretty confident, but have never felt sexually desirable, despite being in good shape and not bad looking. I want to to be sexually attractive to women. That may indeed be for ego to a large extent, but I would also like to see where it leads my life. I am exploring my sexual side a bit more these days.

Feel exactly the same way.

I think I am 'desirable' in various ways to different degrees (financially, intellectually, physically)... but not sure about sexually (do I give off too much of either a nice guy or not interested vibe?!). Would be nice to know and feel that I am also sexually desirable.... to all sorts of women! More to do with confidence boosting than "ego stroking"

I highly suggest you both to consider doing sm3, and e2 if you haven't already. Sm3 is full fledged sexual development, it seems like that's what you both are looking for. Sm3 did some work in me to make me feel desirable sexually, and then e2 afterwards helped me conquer remaining insecuritis about my sexuality. I wanna run dmsi as much as everyone else, and it is still on the table as far as options for me, but I am seriously considering re running sm3. It's become sort of the underdog, now that dmsi has been put into open beta testing, even though it seems like what everyone really really wants is to be a sex magnet.

And swisston, I hear you on wanting to explore your sexuality. E2 actually balanced me to the point where consciously and subconsciously, I genuinely believe(d) that I am capable and deserving of a sex life that may at times include more than one woman. Never even knew that would be a side effect of emotional healing, let alone did I even know that I subconsciously didn't believe that it was possible for me, even after running sm3 once.


That's my two cents

P.s. for the folks that have depression during e2, once you step beyond the depression with the assistance of e2, your life will be forever changed. I remember going thru that in my run, it got to a point where everything was falling to crap, and then to make matters worse my cat got run over, so I was in a world of pain. But once I broke thru via e2, I became a glowing beacon of light, so to speak. I was so filled with self love and freedom to be myself, people were basically treating me like a celebrity. And that only compounded my confidence levels... but I had to get through the depression first!!!

[Natious]

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Interesting, this seems alike to my current experience with E2. Similar to yours, my journey is filled with a lot of apathy and depression. Late at night while almost falling asleep AND when waking up staying in bed are the moments when I discover a lot of things while reflecting on my thoughts.

I wonder if the depression will fade at any point, because it's a little debilitating. Maybe it's because I don't want to do the things I thought I did. Maybe it just accompanies big change and things that once seemed to matter, no longer do.
It's not easy seeing progress on E2, even thought there's constantly this feeling that something is indeed changing.

The weirdest thing is when some days I realize that I have changed in a particular way. The very next day it's no longer true. So is it change? Why the reversal?

Waking up and falling asleep is when the conscious and subconscious are at balance, and so communicate most easily between themselves.

Depression is, as far as I can see, usually caused by subconsciously feeling hopeless and/or angry. It is very likely that E2 is pushing you to deal with a fear you're trying hard to avoid, but can't. That could result in depression.

When you consciously notice a change and then the next day it's not true, what has happened is that you consciously changed back to what was previously, usually because the change scares you. Sometimes, changes need to be taken in baby steps, and occasionally, they need to be taken two steps forward, one step back.

I hope it does pass and for you Natious; I've noticed I can relate quite well to some of your posts in your journal - its insightful.

Agreed with Shannon: at least my depression does seem to stem for hopelessness and anger now that he said it. There's a certain way I'd like to be and life this life, but especially when I stop E2 for a couple of days I'll find there's a strong, debilitating feeling of hopelessness and powerlessness wrt. to achieving that. I want to feel confident, energetic, driven, playful, but of course also open, happy, and kind & loving in my own way. On E2 I have this feeling that its forcing me towards this 100% content, passive & blissful way of being - which would be fine except that I feel it takes away every tool I have to go for what I want, so I feel powerless but try to fight it -> hopelessness, anger -> depression, and then its starts to cycle down. I think the next step with E2 would just be let go of everything, but I'm not at all sure I can or want to do that. That represents death to me, in some way. Hopelessness, anger, depression - feeling those in my body I of course think "I should do more E2", but.. can I let go of wanting to be dominant and excited to settle for walking alone in parks looking at nature? Its always taken me effort to reach the states that I desire, so I think if I let go of that effort, then that's me giving up, because its not gonna happen otherwise. Sure, maybe I'd start spontaneously talking to people more, but become masculine and sexy again? Become directed when I'm programmed to release all tension? Then again, E2 offers peace - is there peace on AM/SM? At least I thought there was. Weird.

I definitely need to change something. E2 sort of feels good for it, but I'm just not sure I understand where its taking me enough to trust it.

It's like your writing my thoughts with your keyboard.

I have a feeling that E2 is a kind of program that you need to use in a cave and wait out until it is finished. It's like putting your life on a pause. This might be more suited for older people who are done with all the pursuing of dreams and want to just lay back, feed birds and think about their life.

This is not me saying that this program doesn't work. I just expected this journey to be different. I expected more positivity, enjoyment of socializing and not so much feeling weak and insecure 24/7.

I want to make it sound more positive for Shannon's sake, but I don't think I can while giving honest feedback according to my pov.

I am uncertain about running this for 6+ months now. My aim is not to be a bird feeder in a 25 year old body, but rather be driven to build something BIG and live a great life.

Maybe E2 is more suitable as an addition to bigger programs. Which is what Shannon is planning for the future as I understand.

[CatMan]

It's like your writing my thoughts with your keyboard.

I have a feeling that E2 is a kind of program that you need to use in a cave and wait out until it is finished. It's like putting your life on a pause. This might be more suited for older people who are done with all the pursuing of dreams and want to just lay back, feed birds and think about their life.

This is not me saying that this program doesn't work. I just expected this journey to be different. I expected more positivity, enjoyment of socializing and not so much feeling weak and insecure 24/7.

I want to make it sound more positive for Shannon's sake, but I don't think I can while giving honest feedback according to my pov.

I am uncertain about running this for 6+ months now. My aim is not to be a bird feeder in a 25 year old body, but rather be driven to build something BIG and live a great life.

Maybe E2 is more suitable as an addition to bigger programs. Which is what Shannon is planning for the future as I understand.

EXACTLY my thoughts, every single word...scarily accurate to my perception. This program hasn't been what I thought it would be at all, either...

[waahbeta]

Statistics bar. It first rises up from negative to zero and then the positive starts. That's wat the above posts conclude to me. The inner hullabaloo is to be at peace before the excitement begins.

[Nox]

If e2 turns you into a bird feeder it's because that is what you need to progress. That seems to pass when you're able to move beyond it. Until you assimilate and overcome it its going to be a decent stumbling block for you down the road I'd imagine.

[DisneylandUSA]

Inner Work is not easy, not pleasant at first; It has no discrimination of age, race, religion, creed or sexual orientation. Inner Work can only work, if we give it permission to work in our lives

[Jones]

While I am older than most here, I am not yet ready to reflect nostalgically upon the events of my life while feeding birds in a park.

You cannot build a house upon a foundation of sand. E2 (as I understand it) excavates the anger, the bitterness, and the pain that results from emotional [and other] damage that we have experienced throughout our life.

I am only on day 6, and I can see that it is likely I will have to face some things that I thought were buried.

After the excavation, you can then pour a solid foundation of confidence and ambition upon which to build the next stage of your life.

[Daredevil]

I've been using EPHRA for 4 months now and I can attest to the monk nature of this sub. It's really making time pass by until late I release enough trauma to start a new beginning. Although I have encountered unpleasant experiences with this sub I realize that the subconscious knows best and these experiences will help me in the end to grow. I want to be emotionaly free 100% and stop absorbing the negative traumas from other people. I guess I am supposed to take on others pain and transmute it but that is a whole other story.

[Shannon]

[quote='kenpachi' pid='119363' dateline='1467792690']
Hey Shannon, I thought it was established that the legal age of consent limiter took away from the overall power of the program?[quote]

According to the models, that phrasing produces the results that make the majority of you very, very happy. So if it does limit the power, it does so in a way that produces much better results than otherwise, regardless.

[quote]For example, if I'm in a room and there's a multiple attractive women of legal age and one girl aged 15, as we're forced to stop attracting the 15 year old our sexual energy will have to be neutered and will therefore be less effective on the other attractive women of age in the room? [/quote]

With the phrasing I have discovered so far, what would happen is this.

In the room with the 15 year old girl and the legal age female, the legal age female would experience the full effects of the program as it is tuned to fully affect her. The subconscious reaches out to her with your energy and attunes it to affect her fully.

When the subconscious encounters the 15 year old girl, and we know she is underage, the subconscious disregards her and does not reach out to affect her. You are not "neutering" anything; it's a matter of intentionally affecting one, and not the other.

[quote]If that's not the case then my apologies, if it is then personally I would like to see it removed if it's going to lessen our POWAR. [/quote]

This is why the models say you guys don't really want what you think you want. It doesn't work nearly as well in it's results. You're worried about not enough power, when we have plenty of power because the power sources have been pretty well optimized at this point, so what we need is to affect the right subset of the population in the right way.

[quote]Also, as I haven't said it yet and have mostly just been giving you feedback/demands, I wanted to say thank you for your work on this, I really appreciate your effort and dedication to making this program the best it can be.
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I appreciate that. Thank you.