Shannon's Journal Discussion

[SargeMaximus]

Shannon, when it comes to life goals and growth, is it possible that you can get worse before you get better? Or is getting worse a sign that you're not on your path?

I've been getting worse with women ever since starting to try and improve with them and I'm beginning to think I'm on the wrong path. What would you say?

[Shannon]

When will we be able to purchase AOSI?

When I:

Finish describing it in the product description page.
Finish editing the product description page.
Finish linking the files.
Click Publish Publicly.
Tell everyone it's available.

How long that takes depends on how much I can focus on it along the way.

[Darkness]

Oud wood the perfume is perfect the only problem it last 2 hrs compared to what one pays for.

From what's been posted, in the moment state shifting, wouldn't allow it to be permanent because it would intervene with other programs.

The program from what the models say, and from having used the 4g version the script is perfect: hence beautiful.

The lack of permanence due to new add-ons: the loss.

The models never said the program was perfect. They do say that it will greatly please the vast majority of it's users over the long term.

But you still have to use it before passing judgement. It's designed to be used for months on end and generate and maintain a state of flow that achieves your goals, but also allows you to shift gears if you want to. Unfortunately, you cannot have two disparate goals at a time; so if you do BASE, expect to focus on business. Do AM, and focus on AM goals.

If you want to be sexy, use AOSI. It's designed for short term and long term effect, so you can use it for a night out, or you can spend weeks and months on it to max out the effect. How can that be a loss? That's the best of all options!

Thank you for clarifying that, I understand now.

[Shannon]

Yeah it sounds like the sub isn't a permanent sub, and is augmenting "what you currently have", as Shannon has described earlier on as well. Since SM3 totally failed for me and is deemed to be a deep permanent change compared to this program...I'm now not convinced this sub will do much either, at least currently since "what I have" hasn't gotten any success at all. I'll have to rethink whether buying it and switching to it from E2 is wise, sadly. If I didn't get benefit from SM3, I'm probably not likely to get much from this, either. It's going to suck reading epic reports from others, but I did the same thing about SM3 so that isn't new.

We'll see, I just don't want to get my hopes up in my case. I feel it's already been massively over hyped beyond belief, which puts unnecessary pressure on ourselves...and on Shannon.

Let us reiterate that SM3 did not fail you. It's just a set of instructions. The action was on your part, and so if anything, you failed to accept, execute and act on the instructions.

I'm amused how easily you are influenced about things, without ever trying them. But not surprised. It's the end all be all, no, it won't work. Meanwhile, it's not even available for sale yet. Whatever happened to "Let's see what happens when I use it"? Assumptions don't make for very good basis for decisions that produce results, and as a business man, you should know that.

I already told you, you need to focus on clearing out the crap that's holding you down and holding you back. 3 to 9 months of E2 should be massively helpful. Don't try to do AM again until you feel like E2 has cleared out a hell of a lot of crap, and it doesn't hurt when you stop using it and the emotional anesthetic fades away. Once that happens, you may find you don't need to run anything else to accomplish your goals. But if you do want to, then consider AOSI or AM. But first focus on what the real issue is. E2 is the right tool for this job.

I know I'm talking myself out of a sale here, but the fact is, you're better off doing it this way. I'd rather you genuinely fix the problem, than make a little more money in the short run.

What happened?

Probably a combination of a very serious real life crisis today, and being honest with myself and realising that I likely do need months of E2 after all and will miss out on AOSI during the summer that I was really excited about. That's all, just feels like I'd be purposely pushing back getting some success in the part of my life I want handled. But, I don't seem to have much choice, as there's a lot more there for E2 to work on, than I wanted to admit.

It's abundantly obvious I need E2...despite the fact I'm not happy about that. I yearn to have a modicrum of success with women, I feel I've waited LONG enough, but the proof is in the pudding. Fair enough, I will start my E2 journal immediately and live vicariously through AOSI users.

Thank you for your words...

I won't pollute the journal with my pity party any longer, that was somewhat accidental. I apologise to all.

Here's how this works.

There's a path to the goal, which is easy to walk on, and there's "everywhere else".

The path to the goal is sometimes boring and uninteresting compared to the "everything else", and it's easy to get distracted and wader off the path. But no matter how far off the path you get, and no matter how you might wish it were otherwise, neither the path, nor the goal, changes. You're here to do what you're here to do, and that's that.

Now the goal is going to be achieved, because that's the way things are designed. But you're freely allowed to wander off the path as much and as far as you like, and for as long as you like. But the further and longer you are off that path, the more frustrating and painful it becomes. Sooner or later, you WILL return to the correct path. That's just the way things are designed, because that's what makes the achievement of your goal inevitable. There is no failing; it's just a question of how much time and pain you want to spend on the way.

Your pain and frustration is what it is because you wandered off the path. You tried to have the goal Z without going through points B through Y first. It doesn't work that way. You have to go through A, B, C, ..., X and Y before you get to Z.

I know how you feel, because I have been in your shoes. I know how frothingly ragingly pissed and frustrated I was. But rage and blame and scream and pound walls as I might... the failure was on me for not following the path. I didn't WANT to do B through Y, I wanted Z, dammit!

But when I ran out of energy to fight, and I did the B through Y, I got Z. In this case, Z is pussy and relationships with women. I had a lot of stuff to outgrow and face and work through. It scared the shit out of me, but I had to do it. The way the system is designed, eventually, you'll be forced to face it if you don't face it on your own. Well, I got forced, and I faced it and I grew. Not happily. Not pleasantly. But I grew.

Once I had grown past the lessons I had to face, I found what I was looking for. Now I have unlimited Z, and more coming. It's everywhere, just a question of which one(s) I want to accept into my life. I can't even keep up with it all now! No joke.

The moral of the story is... resistance is futile. You must progress from point A to B, and then to C, and then D and so on, to achieve Z. There is no escape, no exception, and no secret cheat code. The sooner you realize, understand and accept this, the sooner you can deal with the shot you wish you didn't have to deal with. And the sooner you do that, the sooner you CAN spend the summer tagging hotties left and right if you want to.

E2 is the most direct way to your goal. Trust me. I would love to sell you a copy of AOSI, but I would much rather you be successful first, so you can actually enjoy it. And everything else you buy from us.

Don't worry CatMan, I'm in the same boat as you. I'm gonna be on E2 for a while even though AOSI sounds awesome.

And Shannon, I feel like answered me without me ever asking. I was going to ask sometime in the future if after E2 I could run AOSI and then AM after that. I know that immediately following up E2 with AM is the best choice so I can immediately start building a strong foundation on the land I just took months to clean.

I do have a question though. Comparing the goals of SM to AOSI, what are the key differences? It seems like it's the same goal, but AOSI relies on an aura being powered. Would SM end up making the user sexually irresistible to the girls they find attractive? Just curious, thanks.

When I finish describing AOSI and publish it, just compare the description pages.

[Shannon]

Shannon, when it comes to life goals and growth, is it possible that you can get worse before you get better? Or is getting worse a sign that you're not on your path?

I've been getting worse with women ever since starting to try and improve with them and I'm beginning to think I'm on the wrong path. What would you say?

Generally it is a sign that you're going the wrong direction in life.

Not always, but in my experience, usually. Most of the time.

Life's funny like that. You're welcome to have it your way, but your way doesn't change the world you live in. And if you want to go the wrong way, well, have fun. You'll be back when you figure that out. No matter how stubborn you want to be.

[SargeMaximus]

Shannon, when it comes to life goals and growth, is it possible that you can get worse before you get better? Or is getting worse a sign that you're not on your path?

I've been getting worse with women ever since starting to try and improve with them and I'm beginning to think I'm on the wrong path. What would you say?

Generally it is a sign that you're going the wrong direction in life.

Not always, but in my experience, usually. Most of the time.

Life's funny like that. You're welcome to have it your way, but your way doesn't change the world you live in. And if you want to go the wrong way, well, have fun. You'll be back when you figure that out. No matter how stubborn you want to be.

But, does that mean I was on the right path all along? I mean seriously: I've gotten worse with women as the years have gone on since discovering these subs. Does that mean I was right before and have somehow triggered myself to go on the wrong path? Does it mean that these subs are the wrong path for me?

I'm very confused.

[Jakeb203]

Shannon I have this dilemma. I have been switching BASE and AM back and forth so far. Right now I am confused as to the more programs I run, the more I try to consciously maintain the previous programmings which sometimes gets very tiring. For example when I am running BASE I tend to consciously focus on AM programming so it does not evaporate. I seem to care a lot about this because I don't want the previous efforts to go away. But I don't know if focusing on my previous sub runs will distract my current run, maybe I am not getting the most out of it? In my mind I always try to have this image of having different programs combining into one coherent piece. What do you recommend to focus your attention on during every new run? Should you spend half of your effort maintaining, or virtually none just the current one? My personality seem to be the "forgetting" type that's why I don't want to lose every previous runs. Also, the more programs I run in the future, say SM, WM, how do you make sure that all programs stick effortlessly?

[Jakeb203]

Shannon, when it comes to life goals and growth, is it possible that you can get worse before you get better? Or is getting worse a sign that you're not on your path?

I've been getting worse with women ever since starting to try and improve with them and I'm beginning to think I'm on the wrong path. What would you say?

Generally it is a sign that you're going the wrong direction in life.

Not always, but in my experience, usually. Most of the time.

Life's funny like that. You're welcome to have it your way, but your way doesn't change the world you live in. And if you want to go the wrong way, well, have fun. You'll be back when you figure that out. No matter how stubborn you want to be.

But, does that mean I was on the right path all along? I mean seriously: I've gotten worse with women as the years have gone on since discovering these subs. Does that mean I was right before and have somehow triggered myself to go on the wrong path? Does it mean that these subs are the wrong path for me?

I'm very confused.

Sarge I don't have much authority to tell you which direction you should head into, but if you feel like you have gotten worse with women it might be to do with either you aren't clear where you are heading to, or lack of scientific methods to get better.

You see "getting better with women" may be a very general term. You can expect to date multiple women, have many free ONS, or simply getting a girlfriend. There are definitely ways you can reach there, but thinking blindly improve the women area is too general to be actionable. If you want to work on becoming more attractive, I guess SM / WM will be the better option. Last but not least, if you struggle too much with getting women, finding a mentor in this area will help tremendously. Studying success is much easier when you are actively communicating with models, and let him pin-point what you need to work on, and in real person. I'd say I haven't seen too many self-learners who have achieved tremendous success or reached any pro level when they only choose to work alone. Critiquing, tweaking and working on something always requires you to understand what the problem is, often with a bunch of people, so you will keep making progress or eventually solve the problem.

And as secondary thought, I believe running BASE will help you reach a clearer level of thinking that will solve your confusions even better. Before BASE my mind was fairly scattered because I tend to think with right brain too much. A golden gem in BASE is training you to think, analyze and solve questions logically, hence why it is so practical and why you may have a clearer grasp of how to deal with the current struggles.

[Shannon]

Shannon, when it comes to life goals and growth, is it possible that you can get worse before you get better? Or is getting worse a sign that you're not on your path?

I've been getting worse with women ever since starting to try and improve with them and I'm beginning to think I'm on the wrong path. What would you say?

Generally it is a sign that you're going the wrong direction in life.

Not always, but in my experience, usually. Most of the time.

Life's funny like that. You're welcome to have it your way, but your way doesn't change the world you live in. And if you want to go the wrong way, well, have fun. You'll be back when you figure that out. No matter how stubborn you want to be.

But, does that mean I was on the right path all along? I mean seriously: I've gotten worse with women as the years have gone on since discovering these subs. Does that mean I was right before and have somehow triggered myself to go on the wrong path? Does it mean that these subs are the wrong path for me?

I'm very confused.

What's the difference between before and after? Are you following a different philosophy? Trying to game them more, following the player mindset, the PUA stuff? There's a lot of possible reasons. What are all the differences between now and the start of getting worse?

[Shannon]

Shannon I have this dilemma. I have been switching BASE and AM back and forth so far. Right now I am confused as to the more programs I run, the more I try to consciously maintain the previous programmings which sometimes gets very tiring. For example when I am running BASE I tend to consciously focus on AM programming so it does not evaporate. I seem to care a lot about this because I don't want the previous efforts to go away. But I don't know if focusing on my previous sub runs will distract my current run, maybe I am not getting the most out of it? In my mind I always try to have this image of having different programs combining into one coherent piece. What do you recommend to focus your attention on during every new run? Should you spend half of your effort maintaining, or virtually none just the current one? My personality seem to be the "forgetting" type that's why I don't want to lose every previous runs. Also, the more programs I run in the future, say SM, WM, how do you make sure that all programs stick effortlessly?

Are you sing AM all the way through each time?

I suggest you run the program and get on with your life. If you aren't finished achieving the goals of one program... run it again until you have.

[apollolux]

Shannon, I'm suddenly curious to know what Shannon the person is all about, how you became who you are today. You've revealed bits and pieces of your history on these forums over the years, some huge like your battle with cancer, some smaller in comparison like attracting certain women into your life or references to your photography career, but it might help some of us better understand your motivations for doing what you do how you do it if there was a convenient timeline/chronologically ordered account of the process of becoming "Shannon Matteson, 2016 and beyond" that you'd be willing to share with us.

I'm not looking to write a biography of you or anything like that, I'll leave that to better writers than myself ; I'm simply looking to better understand as a student of life how you've gotten to this point in your life, this point in time, and what kind of efforts it took you to make it all happen.

[Jakeb203]

Shannon I have this dilemma. I have been switching BASE and AM back and forth so far. Right now I am confused as to the more programs I run, the more I try to consciously maintain the previous programmings which sometimes gets very tiring. For example when I am running BASE I tend to consciously focus on AM programming so it does not evaporate. I seem to care a lot about this because I don't want the previous efforts to go away. But I don't know if focusing on my previous sub runs will distract my current run, maybe I am not getting the most out of it? In my mind I always try to have this image of having different programs combining into one coherent piece. What do you recommend to focus your attention on during every new run? Should you spend half of your effort maintaining, or virtually none just the current one? My personality seem to be the "forgetting" type that's why I don't want to lose every previous runs. Also, the more programs I run in the future, say SM, WM, how do you make sure that all programs stick effortlessly?

Are you sing AM all the way through each time?

I suggest you run the program and get on with your life. If you aren't finished achieving the goals of one program... run it again until you have.

Yes, everytime it's all the way through.

The reason might be I try to adjust my beliefs according to the subs first, so I don't reach any conflicts. Then I switch back to other beliefs I may possibly have. So sometimes I become very conscious of what the program tries to achieve, and actively try to cooperate with it.

[ImFreeman]

Hey Shannon, i've been thinking a lot about my own E2 run and i am starting to understand what you say when a program is too powerful/successful at what it does.

Did i overdo E2? I have used E2 for 82 days, for around 18hs a day. It worked *really well* so much it caused some problems balancing it with the rest of my life. For almost all the run i felt i was running on zero to almost zero willpower. It's like i woke up in the morning already having depleted my willpower? (is that resistance?), with no motivation to work/study/work out?. I was sleeping a LOT too. maybe up to 11 hours a day (8 at night and a 3 hour siesta...)

All in all it was a very successful although not a pleasant run, in the worst part of the storm i was having all kinds of thoughts about hipothetical shitty/fear ridden situations, and coming up with solutions, things to say and do under different situations and varieties. Also it's like my mind was coming up with the worst case scenario for those situations and coming with answers to those situations. Not pleasant at all, these things happened specially in the morning, i would wake up at 7am and spend up to 2hours ruminating in bed and having these whirlwind thoughts. After these dark clouds vanished i felt like i was flowing, confident in my ability to deal with those situations, until it started again some days later...

I am getting, a LOT of looks, not so much on the street, but when entering a place i can feel the looks and double takes. Everybody treats me extra nice, not like a child but like someone who is very liked by people. First time ever something like this happens to me... Awesome!!

All in all i am going to have a rest from E2 and start again MLS5g, as i have 3 important exams in a months time. E2 i would say is perfect to use in vacation time when i can really relax and forget a bit about responsabilities. I will definetly try to put 90 more days whenever i get the opportunity, but right now the responsabilities are piling up.

[Jakeb203]

And sometimes I face a blockage in BASE. It's like the chest pain when you try to do opposite to what the program tries to accomplish. I am not sure if I should keep doing certain actions since it may be the subconscious telling me to stop doing certain things, or simply I need to keep pushing through. It happens every time I think about hitting hard during launch or doing a lot of preparations. Maybe it's telling me to enjoy life more? I feel very passive most of the time, don't understand why.