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(05-20-2020, 03:11 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-19-2020, 11:18 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]But how would you see a multi stage LTU for the future? As Shannon said the current one might lead to boredom of the subconscious for some people, so the next LTU will be a multi stage.

Don't know man, I don't know how Shannon even divide up AM6 so it's hard to say how those work. 

Curious though - we who don't seem to need a multi stage version but are fine with just one stage - will we be able to just buy and use only "the refresher"?

And I really hope that ARA gets added to LTU6, even if it results in loosing some other module.

Im pretty sure that i have read here in the forum that LTU already has ARA. Maybe in the sale page it is with another name, like negative stress...

Refering to stage 7...Since one week im looking for information about AM6, just now im reading the AM6 Taos Journal, coincidence that there is a post exactly about this, stage 7: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Stepp...1#pid88901
(05-20-2020, 09:45 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-20-2020, 09:28 AM)Hanpan Wrote: [ -> ]A 7-stage LTU is awesome news IMO. Will each stage cover something different, or will the program be more powerful for each stage?

Of course each stage will cover something different.  Otherwise, why have more than one stage?  Big Grin

Power level will be uniform.  The goal of the step up is to build a foundation, and then build steps to the goal on top of that foundation.

I'm sure that you know the right way to do it, but in my mind it would be great to have a program that was the same but increased in power level for each stage in connection with the increase in technology (so that a new shield or FRM would be added in a new stage if released).

I might be the only one who feels this way but of the 12 titles, there are 2-3 that I'm really excited about, 6-8 that I think are great to have in there but that I wouldn't purchase as a stand alone, and a few that I couldn't care less about. 

So I would maybe feel that it was a would be a bit of a bummer if one particular stage eg. covers one title that I think is ok plus one title that I don't really care about. Unless the one stage builds on top of the previous. Then it would make sense.

But I'm sure you know what is best.
(05-20-2020, 10:46 AM)Hanpan Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-20-2020, 09:45 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-20-2020, 09:28 AM)Hanpan Wrote: [ -> ]A 7-stage LTU is awesome news IMO. Will each stage cover something different, or will the program be more powerful for each stage?

Of course each stage will cover something different.  Otherwise, why have more than one stage?  Big Grin

Power level will be uniform.  The goal of the step up is to build a foundation, and then build steps to the goal on top of that foundation.

I'm sure that you know the right way to do it, but in my mind it would be great to have a program that was the same but increased in power level for each stage in connection with the increase in technology (so that a new shield or FRM would be added in a new stage if released).

I might be the only one who feels this way but of the 12 titles, there are 2-3 that I'm really excited about, 6-8 that I think are great to have in there but that I wouldn't purchase as a stand alone, and a few that I couldn't care less about. 

So I would maybe feel that it was a would be a bit of a bummer if one particular stage eg. covers one title that I think is ok plus one title that I don't really care about. Unless the one stage builds on top of the previous. Then it would make sense.

But I'm sure you know what is best.

The issues with a program that was the same but just increased in power level would be as follows.

The first stage would be too weak.  The last stage would be too strong.  At some point in between, the strength would be optimal.  But you would have to spend 6 months figuring that out.  Furthermore, that would be 6 months of the same script, which defeats the point of having a multi-stage stepped script designed not only to prevent boredom, but to gradually work on each issue to allow you to step up to the next more difficult issue, and so on.

Shields and FRMs don't determine power.  They're modules that add functionality.  The power is determined by specific parts of the skeleton script, which are designed to be adjustable.  

The reason for the 12 titles that are included is that they all add something significant and important to the end goal.  They all support one another in specific ways on the way to that end goal.  Each stage would not add or remove titles, it will add or remove statements or modules, which are independent of titles.  

The whole process is a lot more complex, difficult and intricate than I make it seem.  Wink
"Each stage would not add or remove titles, it will add or remove statements or modules, which are independent of titles."

Perfect! Can't wait.
Shannon, We are having a discussion in the chatter box regarding some of the things you said regarding the future. Here is a question for you. Based on all you know about the law of attraction etc what is the truth? Question below:

Are we in a subjective reality or an objective reality? If we are in a subject reality, you can choose the whole reality. If we are in an objective reality you can choose your place in reality and a certain part of reality.

One of the forum users mentioned how you said in the past that certain events have to happen in the world no matter what reality you are in. So I just wanted to get your confirmation of that which would mean that we live in an objective reality.

If that is the case why even go through all this self improvement and work if we are trapped in a reality where destruction is coming? Whether it be a civil war, world war 3, where the cabal is working to enslave humanity etc. Why go through all this if according to that person you confirmed that certain world events happen in all realities.

Why go through all this work if we can’t choose to live in a reality where all those things don’t happen?
I have answered you in the appropriate thread.
(05-20-2020, 10:06 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-20-2020, 09:13 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-20-2020, 03:11 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-19-2020, 11:18 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]But how would you see a multi stage LTU for the future? As Shannon said the current one might lead to boredom of the subconscious for some people, so the next LTU will be a multi stage.

Don't know man, I don't know how Shannon even divide up AM6 so it's hard to say how those work. 

Curious though - we who don't seem to need a multi stage version but are fine with just one stage - will we be able to just buy and use only "the refresher"?

And I really hope that ARA gets added to LTU6, even if it results in loosing some other module.

Here's my problem with "just buying the refresher".

We wouldn't have LTU6 coming out as a 6+1 stage set if that worked for everyone.  Inevitably you have someone who thinks, "I dun wanna do this for 6+ months! I'll just buy the all in one stage." or "I dun wanna pay for all of that!  I'll just buy the all in one stage." And then they discover the hard way that they needed the 6+1 stage because it doesn't work for them as an all in one, but they don't get it.  They don't want to then spend MORE money and MORE time to try again.  They only see "I bought this and it doesn't work, so I want my money back!"

Then we get into... "If you don't give me my money back, I'm going to slander you!" when really, the problem is that they didn't want to use it properly.  Makes us look bad because they were too cheap or lazy to use it properly, and takes money we earned out of our pockets because they did it wrong.  But there's no convincing them of that!  

Consequently, I will be forced to limit how you can get Stage 7, and how you can get a refund, in order to protect IML from the bad apples.  Most likely, Stage 7 will only be available as part of the all in one package, or by request if you can be verified to have purchased all six stages otherwise, and have had time to have used them properly.

Alright - so that means that the six stage LTU will not only overcome the "being bored" effect but also be a more comprehensive program in total.

And I really hope you don't make it as AM which you HAD to follow the 32 days per stage, I couldn't make it and it therefore i turned to LTU. Hope that you make it in a way that you can choose how long time you run each stage so you can switch when you feel that you are ready for the next step.

My question got lost in all the posts I think so I try it again.
@Shannon I want to ask, Is there any possibilty my AM programming erased(or overwrited) by a 5.5G sub (SE) , when I start it 2 weeks after my finished AM run?

my primary goal is soliding AM programming. What you would suggest me, Should I do AM or SE right now?
I am asking it because if there wouldn't be a problem, I want a break from long hours of listening ocean track of AM.
SE is much lesser.
(05-20-2020, 10:17 AM)Yous Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-20-2020, 03:11 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-19-2020, 11:18 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]But how would you see a multi stage LTU for the future? As Shannon said the current one might lead to boredom of the subconscious for some people, so the next LTU will be a multi stage.

Don't know man, I don't know how Shannon even divide up AM6 so it's hard to say how those work. 

Curious though - we who don't seem to need a multi stage version but are fine with just one stage - will we be able to just buy and use only "the refresher"?

And I really hope that ARA gets added to LTU6, even if it results in loosing some other module.

Im pretty sure that i have read here in the forum that LTU already has ARA. Maybe in the sale page it is with another name, like negative stress...

Refering to stage 7...Since one week im looking for information about AM6, just now im reading the AM6 Taos Journal, coincidence that there is a post exactly about this, stage 7: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Stepp...1#pid88901

Shannon said  here that ARA is already in LTU: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid229599

Regards
(05-20-2020, 01:31 PM)Yous Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-20-2020, 10:17 AM)Yous Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-20-2020, 03:11 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-19-2020, 11:18 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]But how would you see a multi stage LTU for the future? As Shannon said the current one might lead to boredom of the subconscious for some people, so the next LTU will be a multi stage.

Don't know man, I don't know how Shannon even divide up AM6 so it's hard to say how those work. 

Curious though - we who don't seem to need a multi stage version but are fine with just one stage - will we be able to just buy and use only "the refresher"?

And I really hope that ARA gets added to LTU6, even if it results in loosing some other module.

Im pretty sure that i have read here in the forum that LTU already has ARA. Maybe in the sale page it is with another name, like negative stress...

Refering to stage 7...Since one week im looking for information about AM6, just now im reading the AM6 Taos Journal, coincidence that there is a post exactly about this, stage 7: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Stepp...1#pid88901

Shannon said  here that ARA is already in LTU: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shann...#pid229599

Regards

OK thanks. Still one question that's unanswered though.
(05-20-2020, 12:41 PM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]Alright - so that means that the six stage LTU will not only overcome the "being bored" effect but also be a more comprehensive program in total.

It will prevent boredom, and make the program able to approach achieving it's goals in a significantly better way.  

Quote:And I really hope you don't make it as AM which you HAD to follow the 32 days per stage, I couldn't make it and it therefore i turned to LTU. Hope that you make it in a way that you can choose how long time you run each stage so you can switch when you feel that you are ready for the next step.

Ah, here lies the rub.  That is exactly what I had planned, because that design works.  

There are two design philosophies that currently dominate the subliminal world.  There is mine, and there is the one preferred by some of our competitors.  Mine says, if you want the goal to be achieved, you design the product to achieve it, and then design the usage patterns to achieve it.  The other one says, "You have the right to use the programs however and in whichever combination and numbers you want!  So have fun."

It is my contention that if you want to achieve the goals of the program, and especially when they are as complex and demanding as LTU is, you will design and use them according to what achieves their goals.  That is what I do, and that is what I have always done.  

So my job is to design the programs to achieve their goals, and your job is to use them in the ways that achieve the results.  If you can't make it, should I then make the programs so that they work for you, but achieve inferior results for everyone else?  Remember, the whole reason for us going from a monolithic single stage LTU to a six stage set is because the monolithic didn't work for a lot of people because it was attempting to do everything in one stage.

I would say that you "not making it" on AM6 is not an issue with the program, or its design, but the person using it either not having the self control to use it properly, or not wanting to achieve the program's goals.

At present, the most likely design will be a 6 stage format, or a 6+1 stage format.  If it includes an "all in one", that would necessitate that I do all sorts of tricks to prevent people from just using the all in one format and then demanding a refund if it doesn't work for them, even if they didn't use it according to the instructions.  I'm tired of having to do that, which is a big part of why it will be built in stages this time, instead of as a single stage.  We had a small but significant number of people buy LTU5, and then quickly discover that it was asking them to do things that apparently scared the hell out of them.  Instead of just trying different ways of using it, they then either didn't finish using it, or didn't use it properly, and demanded a refund, even though they were not following policy to be eligible for one.  This resulted in some chargebacks, and then those people being fired as customers.  (Banned from the forum and the store.)

Now had LTU5 been built as a 6 or 6+1 stage set, those people could have been stepped up to the goals, and they would have been much less likely to have ended up being banned by us for refusing to follow our refund policy and forcing the issue after not using the program properly in the first place, because all in one was apparently too scary for them.  Meanwhile, we had to deal with their abusive behavior and lose not only their payment, but the paypal fees, meaning we effectively paid them to buy our program.

I'm not going to keep doing that.  

So... since we are forced into this corner by a few bad actors... this is how it will be.  We have to do the things that protect us as well as best serve our customers.  If that is not satisfactory for you, I can only suggest you keep using LTU5.
How come suddenly now it's 'too hard' to listen to 32 days a stage? Or even listen for something 8+ hours?

When I first come to the forum we were all doing that, no complaints, no 'oh this is too hard' we just did it. I did AM6 twice and never had an issue, neither did tons of other people. But now it's apparently a criticism of Shannon's design. Undecided 

LTU is almost the same amount of listening (7 hours, and yes 2 days off but not far off) with AM6 you simply listen to a stage for 32 days, and switch over to the next stage. It's not that difficult.

I don't really like the idea of getting rid of Stage 7. I haven't used any Stage 7's but i've read people who have used AM6 a few times then used Stage 7 and it's been very beneficial for them after that. Maybe something like don't bundle Stage 7 when they buy it, but when they have proof they have done Stage 1-6 properly then we can set the up with stage 7.
(05-20-2020, 01:16 PM)tolgaocal80 Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon  I want to ask, Is there any possibilty my AM programming erased(or overwrited) by a 5.5G sub (SE) , when I start it  2 weeks after my finished AM run?

my primary goal is soliding AM programming.  What you would suggest me, Should I do AM or SE right now?
I am asking it because if there wouldn't be a problem, I want a break from long hours of listening ocean track of AM.
SE is much lesser.

There's no overwriting or erasing, but there will be a shift of focus.  In this case, SE can potentially help AM6 achieve it's goals, so there's no issue taking a break from AM to run SE and then eventually going back.
(05-20-2020, 02:52 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]How come suddenly now it's 'too hard' to listen to 32 days a stage? Or even listen for something 8+ hours?

When I first come to the forum we were all doing that, no complaints, no 'oh this is too hard' we just did it. I did AM6 twice and never had an issue, neither did tons of other people. But now it's apparently a criticism of Shannon's design. Undecided 

LTU is almost the same amount of listening (7 hours, and yes 2 days off but not far off) with AM6 you simply listen to a stage for 32 days, and switch over to the next stage. It's not that difficult.

I don't really like the idea of getting rid of Stage 7. I haven't used any Stage 7's but i've read people who have used AM6 a few times then used Stage 7 and it's been very beneficial for them after that. Maybe something like don't bundle Stage 7 when they buy it, but when they have proof they have done Stage 1-6 properly then we can set the up with stage 7.

Seriously!!!

Back in MY day...we had 4G and 5G...and I listened often up to 21 hours per day...vastly changing my routine to max the sub usage...uphill...barefeet...in the snow...both ways...blah blah.

#BoomerUser
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