Subliminal Talk

(12-09-2020, 12:41 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2020, 11:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote: [ -> ]It could be that many people feel like I do. I wear contacts, but I consider it to be too minor of an inconvenience for me to invest the time running a sub to fix.  That, of course, assumes that correcting eyesight is even doable through subliminal audio instructions.

I realize that people use subs for different reasons, but it seems to me that the bulk of your customers are looking to change beliefs, attitudes,  behaviors, etc. When this same group is introduced to the possibility that a set of instructions can trigger the body to do something that seems unlikely, they're probably hesitant to pull the trigger (unless it involves sex as lano1106 eluded to).

Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

I think you can't go wrong with money, sex and beauty/physical attractiveness related subs

(12-10-2020, 08:08 AM)sushi521 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2020, 12:41 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2020, 11:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote: [ -> ]It could be that many people feel like I do. I wear contacts, but I consider it to be too minor of an inconvenience for me to invest the time running a sub to fix.  That, of course, assumes that correcting eyesight is even doable through subliminal audio instructions.

I realize that people use subs for different reasons, but it seems to me that the bulk of your customers are looking to change beliefs, attitudes,  behaviors, etc. When this same group is introduced to the possibility that a set of instructions can trigger the body to do something that seems unlikely, they're probably hesitant to pull the trigger (unless it involves sex as lano1106 eluded to).

Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

I think you can't go wrong with money, sex and beauty/physical attractiveness related subs

Agreed.

I started a thread in the title suggestions section regarding sex-related subs. Anybody that has ideas, please post. Let's help Shannon get those creative juices flowing, help the business, and hopefully help his emotional state.

(12-09-2020, 06:17 PM)NOMAD Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2020, 05:17 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2020, 02:16 PM)NOMAD Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2020, 12:41 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2020, 11:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote: [ -> ]It could be that many people feel like I do. I wear contacts, but I consider it to be too minor of an inconvenience for me to invest the time running a sub to fix.  That, of course, assumes that correcting eyesight is even doable through subliminal audio instructions.

I realize that people use subs for different reasons, but it seems to me that the bulk of your customers are looking to change beliefs, attitudes,  behaviors, etc. When this same group is introduced to the possibility that a set of instructions can trigger the body to do something that seems unlikely, they're probably hesitant to pull the trigger (unless it involves sex as lano1106 eluded to).

Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

Maybe you didn't read my full post.  That's essentially what I said in my last statement. 

In any case, sex (and money) sells. Hate it or love it, that's probably not going to change any time soon.

Today has been One Of Those Days ™ for me, and it got so bad at one point that I was unable to tell that I was becoming low blood sugar.  When I get low on blood sugar my ability to focus fails, and if I don't know I'm low on blood sugar I won't know my focus is shot either.  So if I overlooked what you said, my apologies.  It's rare that my emotional state gets so bad that I can't tell when I'm in need of blood sugar, so I didn't even think to consider that as a possibility.  I had no idea how bad it was until I ate, and saw a rapid change as my blood sugar came back up.  I haven't been able to work today because of my emotional state, as a result of everything going wrong today.  It was like being sucker punched emotionally.  I tried to keep being productive by doing forum work, but you can see that wasn't entirely successful.

Hang in there, man. If it gets too bad, I know a guy that scripts some bada$$ subs that I've been using for the past few years. I'll bet he has exactly what you need. 

My issue here is that GF and I both need different subs, but because we both work from home, we are within earshot of each other 90+% of the time.  The best solution seems to be to run subs during the day, but the walls in my house are not exactly soundproof, and I have done experiments which show clearly that at 13/15 on my cell phone, she can hear the program through 2 walls in the living room, while I am in my office.  It makes things difficult at best, because it basically means that we run whatever has the highest priority, which is usually something she needs lately.  

Part of what happened yesterday was that I decided to switch back to UMS, which caused severe turbulence.  While there were a lot of things going wrong outside that, that definitely did not help in the short run.  

So I know this guy you speak of, and I happen to be a pretty big fan of his.  I have ALL of his subs.  I just don't have the freedom to use them all at once. 

(12-09-2020, 07:31 PM)fab10 Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:The other issue is time. Many of the most desirable programs are now running around 6-8 months of use time. Some people like me, who have the disposable income and interest to experiment with subliminals, already have around 2 years of backlog of pre purchased programs to work through. E4 for example is going to take me until May to complete, and it makes no sense to buy the latest thing until I've had a chance to assess how that went.

^ that! I have two or three more months on LTU, I already purchased OE, I definitely want to do “Improve eyesight” a.s.a.p. because mine is declining fast and also because I could easily produce hard proof for @Shannon if it works well, the (hopefully)  upcoming Universal Healing is definitely a priority, I do feel that OF is so foundational that everyone should do it, LTU deserves a rerun ... how many years is that already? So many subs so little time. I hope I will have more clarity to choose my next sub at the end of my LTU run.

@Shannon what does Universal Healing contain?

Well, it contains universal healing, of course!

UH is going to be based on E4.  I will be updating the skeleton script and adjusting the Key Script to point to all things that need healing, not just the emotions.  Mind, body, emotions, sexuality, etc. Everything that could need healing.

(12-09-2020, 11:50 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: [ -> ]Kind of late but I would say I wouldn't mind jumping on a upgraded OF either. Found out most likely I won't be starting my college program until probably 2 months from now. So wouldn't mind in the mean time doing something to clear things of my head to increase the potential of other subs working in the future. I am interested in the universal healing sub which would be my primary go to but no idea how long that might take to come out seeing Shannon is going through hell right now with everything not working as expected. So I think that's 7 or 8 people who would be wiling to buy when it comes out.

Well I'm working on it.  : But as it turns out I had to throw away the last three days worth of work because of a critical issue that came to light that forced me to start over from scratch on this module I am trying to script.  Which is frustrating, but I have noticed that when things like that happen, after its all over, it usually turns out to have resulted in something better.

(12-10-2020, 08:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-10-2020, 08:08 AM)sushi521 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2020, 12:41 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2020, 11:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote: [ -> ]It could be that many people feel like I do. I wear contacts, but I consider it to be too minor of an inconvenience for me to invest the time running a sub to fix.  That, of course, assumes that correcting eyesight is even doable through subliminal audio instructions.

I realize that people use subs for different reasons, but it seems to me that the bulk of your customers are looking to change beliefs, attitudes,  behaviors, etc. When this same group is introduced to the possibility that a set of instructions can trigger the body to do something that seems unlikely, they're probably hesitant to pull the trigger (unless it involves sex as lano1106 eluded to).

Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

I think you can't go wrong with money, sex and beauty/physical attractiveness related subs

Agreed.

I started a thread in the title suggestions section regarding sex-related subs. Anybody that has ideas, please post. Let's help Shannon get those creative juices flowing, help the business, and hopefully help his emotional state.

The key with sex related subs is that most of what I would like to do, I can't for one reason or another.  Not that I don't have the knowledge of how to do it. 

Consider this scenario.  Let's say I create a current gen aphrodisiac designed to generate massive sexual arousal, but not to point it at anyone in particular.  It needs an age limiter.  What happens if someone pirates it?  You know that's 330,835,640% likely.  So now I have the issue that I can focus on AP code, or I can focus on getting the results.  It is a very delicate balance to do both.  

Let's say some 11 year old kid gets his hands on it and plays it at his school.  The age limiter works for everyone except one girl, who resists it because "don't tell ME what to do!".  She gets turned on, one thing leads to another and they fuck.  She gets pregnant, and then blame starts falling out of the sky.  

Is he going to say, "Why yes, I pirated this program and played it in school, it's all my fault!  I take full responsibility for all of my actions, choices and the results thereof."?  Hell no.  He's going to try to blame me, because I made this evil subliminal that tempted him to do all these things.  Because why should he have to be responsible for his own actions and choices?  He's a kid, and everyone (at least in the United States, where I live) automatically assumes kids are 100% innocent these days.  Personal responsibility?  What's that?

That's likely to end up with news media coverage, because it's so unusual and sensational.  And then we have a negative light on subliminals in general, and we have the "news media" reporting how awful I am because I didn't take the time to prevent this from happening (you may have noticed that the news media is more than slightly divorced from facts and reality these days, so it doesn't matter if what they say is true or not, it just matters if they get the clicks and views they want, and to hell with whomever they hurt in the process).  

From there we have some SJW group or groups decide this opportunity for attention and pushing their agenda is too good to pass up, and all of a sudden we have one or more SJW movements in the news taking negatively about subliminals, IML and me, demanding new laws to protect the world from evil subliminals and the irresponsible, evil people who make them.  

This of course also makes the news, nationwide and internationally, and now the entire industry looks even worse.  Furthermore, we would then have legislators who know nothing about subliminals passing laws without consulting anyone who really knows what the hell they're talking about concerning subliminals (because really, it doesn't matter if you have a degree [even a PhD!] in psychology in most cases, it matters what experience you have with scripting and creating them and how much you have studied the effects and results they produce).  Then we have regulations that either severely cripple or kill the entire industry.

All because the world can't take any personal responsibility, and has gone mad this last decade or more.  

That's the sort of thing that worries me about making things like sex subs these days.

(12-10-2020, 10:23 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-10-2020, 08:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-10-2020, 08:08 AM)sushi521 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2020, 12:41 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2020, 11:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote: [ -> ]It could be that many people feel like I do. I wear contacts, but I consider it to be too minor of an inconvenience for me to invest the time running a sub to fix.  That, of course, assumes that correcting eyesight is even doable through subliminal audio instructions.

I realize that people use subs for different reasons, but it seems to me that the bulk of your customers are looking to change beliefs, attitudes,  behaviors, etc. When this same group is introduced to the possibility that a set of instructions can trigger the body to do something that seems unlikely, they're probably hesitant to pull the trigger (unless it involves sex as lano1106 eluded to).

Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

I think you can't go wrong with money, sex and beauty/physical attractiveness related subs

Agreed.

I started a thread in the title suggestions section regarding sex-related subs. Anybody that has ideas, please post. Let's help Shannon get those creative juices flowing, help the business, and hopefully help his emotional state.

The key with sex related subs is that most of what I would like to do, I can't for one reason or another.  Not that I don't have the knowledge of how to do it. 

Consider this scenario.  Let's say I create a current gen aphrodisiac designed to generate massive sexual arousal, but not to point it at anyone in particular.  It needs an age limiter.  What happens if someone pirates it?  You know that's 330,835,640% likely.  So now I have the issue that I can focus on AP code, or I can focus on getting the results.  It is a very delicate balance to do both.  

Let's say some 11 year old kid gets his hands on it and plays it at his school.  The age limiter works for everyone except one girl, who resists it because "don't tell ME what to do!".  She gets turned on, one thing leads to another and they fuck.  She gets pregnant, and then blame starts falling out of the sky.  

Is he going to say, "Why yes, I pirated this program and played it in school, it's all my fault!  I take full responsibility for all of my actions, choices and the results thereof."?  Hell no.  He's going to try to blame me, because I made this evil subliminal that tempted him to do all these things.  Because why should he have to be responsible for his own actions and choices?  He's a kid, and everyone (at least in the United States, where I live) automatically assumes kids are 100% innocent these days.  Personal responsibility?  What's that?

That's likely to end up with news media coverage, because it's so unusual and sensational.  And then we have a negative light on subliminals in general, and we have the "news media" reporting how awful I am because I didn't take the time to prevent this from happening (you may have noticed that the news media is more than slightly divorced from facts and reality these days, so it doesn't matter if what they say is true or not, it just matters if they get the clicks and views they want, and to hell with whomever they hurt in the process).  

From there we have some SJW group or groups decide this opportunity for attention and pushing their agenda is too good to pass up, and all of a sudden we have one or more SJW movements in the news taking negatively about subliminals, IML and me, demanding new laws to protect the world from evil subliminals and the irresponsible, evil people who make them.  

This of course also makes the news, nationwide and internationally, and now the entire industry looks even worse.  Furthermore, we would then have legislators who know nothing about subliminals passing laws without consulting anyone who really knows what the hell they're talking about concerning subliminals (because really, it doesn't matter if you have a degree [even a PhD!] in psychology in most cases, it matters what experience you have with scripting and creating them and how much you have studied the effects and results they produce).  Then we have regulations that either severely cripple or kill the entire industry.

All because the world can't take any personal responsibility, and has gone mad this last decade or more.  

That's the sort of thing that worries me about making things like sex subs these days.

DAMN! Sounds like an industrial-strength amount of "Type 18 Resistance: Slippery Slope Thinking" based off your resistance FAQ thread there, sir. LOL...

Seriously, I hope the work on 5.75.5G will go smoothly today onward. Really looking forward to OF V2, it'll be so good to run while DMSI is being prepared!

(12-10-2020, 10:23 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-10-2020, 08:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-10-2020, 08:08 AM)sushi521 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2020, 12:41 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2020, 11:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote: [ -> ]It could be that many people feel like I do. I wear contacts, but I consider it to be too minor of an inconvenience for me to invest the time running a sub to fix.  That, of course, assumes that correcting eyesight is even doable through subliminal audio instructions.

I realize that people use subs for different reasons, but it seems to me that the bulk of your customers are looking to change beliefs, attitudes,  behaviors, etc. When this same group is introduced to the possibility that a set of instructions can trigger the body to do something that seems unlikely, they're probably hesitant to pull the trigger (unless it involves sex as lano1106 eluded to).

Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

I think you can't go wrong with money, sex and beauty/physical attractiveness related subs

Agreed.

I started a thread in the title suggestions section regarding sex-related subs. Anybody that has ideas, please post. Let's help Shannon get those creative juices flowing, help the business, and hopefully help his emotional state.

The key with sex related subs is that most of what I would like to do, I can't for one reason or another.  Not that I don't have the knowledge of how to do it. 

Consider this scenario.  Let's say I create a current gen aphrodisiac designed to generate massive sexual arousal, but not to point it at anyone in particular.  It needs an age limiter.  What happens if someone pirates it?  You know that's 330,835,640% likely.  So now I have the issue that I can focus on AP code, or I can focus on getting the results.  It is a very delicate balance to do both.  

Let's say some 11 year old kid gets his hands on it and plays it at his school.  The age limiter works for everyone except one girl, who resists it because "don't tell ME what to do!".  She gets turned on, one thing leads to another and they fuck.  She gets pregnant, and then blame starts falling out of the sky.  

Is he going to say, "Why yes, I pirated this program and played it in school, it's all my fault!  I take full responsibility for all of my actions, choices and the results thereof."?  Hell no.  He's going to try to blame me, because I made this evil subliminal that tempted him to do all these things.  Because why should he have to be responsible for his own actions and choices?  He's a kid, and everyone (at least in the United States, where I live) automatically assumes kids are 100% innocent these days.  Personal responsibility?  What's that?

That's likely to end up with news media coverage, because it's so unusual and sensational.  And then we have a negative light on subliminals in general, and we have the "news media" reporting how awful I am because I didn't take the time to prevent this from happening (you may have noticed that the news media is more than slightly divorced from facts and reality these days, so it doesn't matter if what they say is true or not, it just matters if they get the clicks and views they want, and to hell with whomever they hurt in the process).  

From there we have some SJW group or groups decide this opportunity for attention and pushing their agenda is too good to pass up, and all of a sudden we have one or more SJW movements in the news taking negatively about subliminals, IML and me, demanding new laws to protect the world from evil subliminals and the irresponsible, evil people who make them.  

This of course also makes the news, nationwide and internationally, and now the entire industry looks even worse.  Furthermore, we would then have legislators who know nothing about subliminals passing laws without consulting anyone who really knows what the hell they're talking about concerning subliminals (because really, it doesn't matter if you have a degree [even a PhD!] in psychology in most cases, it matters what experience you have with scripting and creating them and how much you have studied the effects and results they produce).  Then we have regulations that either severely cripple or kill the entire industry.

All because the world can't take any personal responsibility, and has gone mad this last decade or more.  

That's the sort of thing that worries me about making things like sex subs these days.

Those are valid concerns. The lack of personal responsibility and the SJW mentality sickens me. It's a disturbing trend for sure.

Most of the suggestions I made were intended to be more about developing attributes that someone would find sexy versus being used as an aphrodisiac. Developing certain attributes goes beyond just being sexy,  so they could appeal to a broad audience. For instance, charisma & social influence have an almost unlimited number of potential applications. 

Even if you don't like the suggestions made, maybe you can find some level of inspiration that will help you...which was really the underlying intent anyway.

Shannon with the new technology you're using to advance us into the 5.75.5G era do you believe it would be profitable to create a new version of Attract Positive Energy except imbue the program with technology that would allow the user to radiate positive energy to everyone around them? COVID-19 has made the world and everyone's outlook a bit gloomier so a subliminal designed to improve mood might be useful. The individual would ooze positive energy in much the same way that a person on DMSI is supposed to ooze sexuality. It would be your way of making everyone's holidays better. One person running this could potentially positively brighten the day of each person they ran into.

(12-10-2020, 12:27 PM)K-Train Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon with the new technology you're using to advance us into the 5.75.5G era do you believe it would be profitable to create a new version of Attract Positive Energy except imbue the program with technology that would allow the user to radiate positive energy to everyone around them? COVID-19 has made the world and everyone's outlook a bit gloomier so a subliminal designed to improve mood might be useful. The individual would ooze positive energy in much the same way that a person on DMSI is supposed to ooze sexuality. It would be your way of making everyone's holidays better. One person running this could potentially positively brighten the day of each person they ran into.

I was getting this 'celebrity' effect from UMS.

So this 'celebrity effect' directed towards emanating positivity into the hearts and minds of those around you, with perhaps a distance sniper/healing effect for those who need the love but are 'distanced' or not in the immediate vicinity.

@Shannon title suggestions:

Social Hub
Social Connector


Drumroll...

...wait for it....

Develop Maximum Social Interactivity (Or Ultimate Social Success)

These Social subs would be very useful right now.

(12-09-2020, 04:43 PM)Vasil Wrote: [ -> ]If I might add something to the conversation. There are two reasons in my opinion sales are slumping. Part of it, like Catman pointed out, involves the fact that some of the latest programs haven't been tested the same way 5G was, and the sales pages include a disclaimer along the lines of "We won't know the full extent of what this does until you use it." That encourages people to wait until other people report on its success.

The other issue is time. Many of the most desirable programs are now running around 6-8 months of use time. Some people like me, who have the disposable income and interest to experiment with subliminals, already have around 2 years of backlog of pre purchased programs to work through. E4 for example is going to take me until May to complete, and it makes no sense to buy the latest thing until I've had a chance to assess how that went.

I know in previous years @Shannon said he hoped to get 6G programs to start showing effects within hours rather than days and have a shorter use time. No idea if that's still considered possible, but being able to work through a subliminal faster would no doubt stimulate sales.

I’ll chime in with my 2 cents.

I agree. Me personally I’m waiting for the technology to improve to where I don’t have to listen more than 6 hours a day and the recommended usage is 3 months.

Most people sleep between 6-8 hours a day.  Because of the ASRB we now have to be careful not to break that.  So the best way is to listen is while we sleep but if a sub requires more listening than your average sleep time and then you have to go to work that causes problems.

The optimal for most people is play it while you sleep and forget it and when you wake up to go to work you’re already done.

Also so many subs are 6-8 months.  I think most people wouldn’t mind a long time commitment if a sub requires short daily listening time and maybe 2-3 days a week max.  

The other issue is pricing.  I think most people don’t like having to keep buying new versions every couple of months at full price.

Shannon should study this and see if maybe an update program would be better for him.  Pay $20-30 per update and see what would get him more customers investing than paying full price again.

Last but not least is lack of exciting titles.  UMS for me has been the most exciting title in a while.  There’s so many healing titles but not enough stuff to deal with things like money and other things people want.

For example the penis enlargement sub and the manifest your perfect whatever.  Everyone wants these subs but Shannon says they would take a long time to make (I don’t think he’s said the technology is not strong enough to make them work).  If sales is what he needs why not focus on one of those subs for 3 months, make it and maybe release another one quick sub using the Skelton script (like the eyesight one) to keep sales going while he works on the big seller?

One advantage I see with the MYP subs is that Shannon once he makes one with the latest technology he could quickly make a myp blonde gf, or redhead gf or so many of the other titles in the MYP catalog.  So even more sales.

@Shannon probably it is best to make a pool to see what are people willing to buy these days and send the link on all e-mails that ever have purchased anything from the store,so people could vote, man that would not be the first time, that is the best idea, if not you are wasting health, energy, time and money.

I bet the IYE will sell once things start to go to normal, or a new normal in the world, I think people are in Fear of everything these days and, I do not know how many copies OF did you sell...but in my opinion OF should sell like crazy, on the forum we write a lot, but have you put on the sale page that the run of OF will enable smoother rides of all other subs, or that the OF is definitely a starter sub or....ecc?
Cause not all persons are forum members, and probably 50% of people who come first time in the shop will not bother to join on the forum or even go to the forum to read (cause people are like that, looking for a fast fix)?
So where will they read all the benefits of YOUR subliminals in general?
Every person will be attracted to different things...

Personally I'm interested in the universal healing program, but I have not finished buying LTU, plus, I'm on OF till april, and after that will run MHS and after that LTU... so, I have basically a Year of subs, not to mention older titles I want to listen but do not have the time right now.

Can you allow yourself a month break from everything (work&forum) and just relax and heal?
If you can, go for it, cause from what I read on the forum, you are too exhausted to work on what you need to work, plus a lot of the people on the forum keeps asking same questions all over again witch is:
a) annoying
b) time consuming
c) energy draining

I am aware that you are thinking what is best for the user and for yourself, and that you want to be "close" to the users but you know it and I do not have to say it, just a reminder, exhaustment does not lead anywhere.

People expect from you that you work like a bee on 100 of different titles and to finish all at once ("when will be this and when will be that") it leads to burn out.

I am not that often on the forum anymore, but every time I come, I see that people are leading you to a lot of different directions....

Sorry Shannon I know you did not ask me anything, but I guess I wanted to say slow down a bit, your health is important.

And for the users give this guy a break, he is trying to please you all, and if he is not good, that means no more goodies for you people.

(12-10-2020, 10:57 AM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-10-2020, 10:23 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-10-2020, 08:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-10-2020, 08:08 AM)sushi521 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2020, 12:41 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

I think you can't go wrong with money, sex and beauty/physical attractiveness related subs

Agreed.

I started a thread in the title suggestions section regarding sex-related subs. Anybody that has ideas, please post. Let's help Shannon get those creative juices flowing, help the business, and hopefully help his emotional state.

The key with sex related subs is that most of what I would like to do, I can't for one reason or another.  Not that I don't have the knowledge of how to do it. 

Consider this scenario.  Let's say I create a current gen aphrodisiac designed to generate massive sexual arousal, but not to point it at anyone in particular.  It needs an age limiter.  What happens if someone pirates it?  You know that's 330,835,640% likely.  So now I have the issue that I can focus on AP code, or I can focus on getting the results.  It is a very delicate balance to do both.  

Let's say some 11 year old kid gets his hands on it and plays it at his school.  The age limiter works for everyone except one girl, who resists it because "don't tell ME what to do!".  She gets turned on, one thing leads to another and they fuck.  She gets pregnant, and then blame starts falling out of the sky.  

Is he going to say, "Why yes, I pirated this program and played it in school, it's all my fault!  I take full responsibility for all of my actions, choices and the results thereof."?  Hell no.  He's going to try to blame me, because I made this evil subliminal that tempted him to do all these things.  Because why should he have to be responsible for his own actions and choices?  He's a kid, and everyone (at least in the United States, where I live) automatically assumes kids are 100% innocent these days.  Personal responsibility?  What's that?

That's likely to end up with news media coverage, because it's so unusual and sensational.  And then we have a negative light on subliminals in general, and we have the "news media" reporting how awful I am because I didn't take the time to prevent this from happening (you may have noticed that the news media is more than slightly divorced from facts and reality these days, so it doesn't matter if what they say is true or not, it just matters if they get the clicks and views they want, and to hell with whomever they hurt in the process).  

From there we have some SJW group or groups decide this opportunity for attention and pushing their agenda is too good to pass up, and all of a sudden we have one or more SJW movements in the news taking negatively about subliminals, IML and me, demanding new laws to protect the world from evil subliminals and the irresponsible, evil people who make them.  

This of course also makes the news, nationwide and internationally, and now the entire industry looks even worse.  Furthermore, we would then have legislators who know nothing about subliminals passing laws without consulting anyone who really knows what the hell they're talking about concerning subliminals (because really, it doesn't matter if you have a degree [even a PhD!] in psychology in most cases, it matters what experience you have with scripting and creating them and how much you have studied the effects and results they produce).  Then we have regulations that either severely cripple or kill the entire industry.

All because the world can't take any personal responsibility, and has gone mad this last decade or more.  

That's the sort of thing that worries me about making things like sex subs these days.

DAMN! Sounds like an industrial-strength amount of "Type 18 Resistance: Slippery Slope Thinking" based off your resistance FAQ thread there, sir. LOL...

Seriously, I hope the work on 5.75.5G will go smoothly today onward. Really looking forward to OF V2, it'll be so good to run while DMSI is being prepared!

You really think that my example is slippery slope thinking?  I think that for it to be slippery slope thinking, the probability of it actually happening has to be extremely low.  When it gets above the extremely low mark, what you're dealing with is not slippery slope thinking, it's cogent risk management.  What part of my example cannot happen?  What part is "extremely unlikely"?  Taken together I would say that the whole scenario has a chance of happening that would be high enough to attract gamblers.  Not extremely likely, but likely enough to be a serious threat, which I am at best very hesitant to take.  If you were in my shoes and you were not taking things like that seriously, I would call you a fool.  In today's day and age, nothing is impossible or safe anymore.  It's not slippery slope thinking, it's looking ahead to the worst case scenario to weigh what is a reasonable and safe path forward.  All of what I said is possible, 100% of it, and 80% of it is already true.  

Maybe things haven't gotten this bad in Canada, but the United States is currently going through a period of insanity the likes of which has never been seen before in our entire history of the nation, and in some specific cases, the history of the planet.  Normally, you'd be right, the scenario I espoused above would be slippery slope thinking. After all, it's sheer madness.  But at this point, I would be 0% surprised if such a thing actually happened.  In fact I would estimate that the actual probability of it happening would be somewhere between 1 and 15% likely right now.  Many of the things people are doing, choosing and believing right now - and I'm only talking about in the United States - are absolutely insane.  Granted, 1 to 15% isn't super likely, but I'm not going to have the consequences that follow to deal with because you and people like you didn't believe me.  

So until I can develop limiters that work so well that the probability of such an issue drops below 0.25%, or the insanity starts to fade out enough to do the same, I'm going to avoid putting myself at serious risk like that.

(12-10-2020, 11:17 AM)NOMAD Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-10-2020, 10:23 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-10-2020, 08:41 AM)NOMAD Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-10-2020, 08:08 AM)sushi521 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-09-2020, 12:41 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Except hundreds of people are willing to buy hundreds of copies of penis enlargement, breast enlargement, grow taller, weight loss, etc.  That kind of tells me that physical change subs aren't exactly going to be a non-starter.  

The issue is a combination of people can't see how it could work, so they don't think it will, and it doesn't have to do with sex or money, so it's not interesting.

I think you can't go wrong with money, sex and beauty/physical attractiveness related subs

Agreed.

I started a thread in the title suggestions section regarding sex-related subs. Anybody that has ideas, please post. Let's help Shannon get those creative juices flowing, help the business, and hopefully help his emotional state.

The key with sex related subs is that most of what I would like to do, I can't for one reason or another.  Not that I don't have the knowledge of how to do it. 

Consider this scenario.  Let's say I create a current gen aphrodisiac designed to generate massive sexual arousal, but not to point it at anyone in particular.  It needs an age limiter.  What happens if someone pirates it?  You know that's 330,835,640% likely.  So now I have the issue that I can focus on AP code, or I can focus on getting the results.  It is a very delicate balance to do both.  

Let's say some 11 year old kid gets his hands on it and plays it at his school.  The age limiter works for everyone except one girl, who resists it because "don't tell ME what to do!".  She gets turned on, one thing leads to another and they fuck.  She gets pregnant, and then blame starts falling out of the sky.  

Is he going to say, "Why yes, I pirated this program and played it in school, it's all my fault!  I take full responsibility for all of my actions, choices and the results thereof."?  Hell no.  He's going to try to blame me, because I made this evil subliminal that tempted him to do all these things.  Because why should he have to be responsible for his own actions and choices?  He's a kid, and everyone (at least in the United States, where I live) automatically assumes kids are 100% innocent these days.  Personal responsibility?  What's that?

That's likely to end up with news media coverage, because it's so unusual and sensational.  And then we have a negative light on subliminals in general, and we have the "news media" reporting how awful I am because I didn't take the time to prevent this from happening (you may have noticed that the news media is more than slightly divorced from facts and reality these days, so it doesn't matter if what they say is true or not, it just matters if they get the clicks and views they want, and to hell with whomever they hurt in the process).  

From there we have some SJW group or groups decide this opportunity for attention and pushing their agenda is too good to pass up, and all of a sudden we have one or more SJW movements in the news taking negatively about subliminals, IML and me, demanding new laws to protect the world from evil subliminals and the irresponsible, evil people who make them.  

This of course also makes the news, nationwide and internationally, and now the entire industry looks even worse.  Furthermore, we would then have legislators who know nothing about subliminals passing laws without consulting anyone who really knows what the hell they're talking about concerning subliminals (because really, it doesn't matter if you have a degree [even a PhD!] in psychology in most cases, it matters what experience you have with scripting and creating them and how much you have studied the effects and results they produce).  Then we have regulations that either severely cripple or kill the entire industry.

All because the world can't take any personal responsibility, and has gone mad this last decade or more.  

That's the sort of thing that worries me about making things like sex subs these days.

Those are valid concerns. The lack of personal responsibility and the SJW mentality sickens me. It's a disturbing trend for sure.

Most of the suggestions I made were intended to be more about developing attributes that someone would find sexy versus being used as an aphrodisiac. Developing certain attributes goes beyond just being sexy,  so they could appeal to a broad audience. For instance, charisma & social influence have an almost unlimited number of potential applications. 

Even if you don't like the suggestions made, maybe you can find some level of inspiration that will help you...which was really the underlying intent anyway.

I'm just trying to point out why I am not going for the low hanging fruit, things like aphrodisiacs, etc.  I do appreciate the suggestions made.  It is helpful to have the ideas to consider.