Subliminal Talk

(04-10-2021, 03:44 PM)Yous Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-10-2021, 03:29 PM)tolgaocal80 Wrote: [ -> ]one stage or 4 stage doesn't differ much on money,

if UMSv2 doesn't work intended because of it is 1 stage(subconscious boring, too much loading in less time etc) soo;
1. Shannon's efforts will be wasted
2. You will not be satisfited with what you get from UMS 2

it would be a better way to decide models or Shannons himself

The models give an advantage to 1 stage, the powerful models would take into account the boreness, anyway the models, Shannon you or me are not perfect. I do think that if the models were so good we would be rich and we would be sleeping with any woman we want whenever we want. So if it really works I dont mind and I think anyone would to be  13 stage or 25 stages and paying 2.000 dollars. We are talking about possibilities and the future and what we think.

The models say better 1 stage and its cheaper, withthis information seems to be the better option by now.

I could tell you the opposite as well, if a multistage doesn't work, the efforts would be a much waste of time for iml and money for users and nobody will be satisfied, but we don't know which one will be better, and at the end if it works, anybody would care if its 1 or 15 stages.

So if we think that none of them works as well as it should would be better for all to be a single stage and if it works nobody would  care if its 1 or 5, it will a great success anyway for every one.

Your logic here is seriously flawed.  

Quote:I do think that if the models were so good we would be rich and we would be sleeping with any woman we want whenever we want.

This assumes that I can take what amounts to thousands of different steps in a single or a handful of steps, just because I have the models.  That is not the case.  The models tell me what is going to most likely happen under condition X or if Y is done/chosen, but the limiting factor is what I know.  To go from 5G to 6G is just one generation, but I have been working on it since 2012.  Why?  Because I can only model small steps at a time, because I am limited by what I know.  The models advance my knowledge much faster than would be possible without them; I can effectively test tens or even hundreds of possible variants of a configuration in the same time it takes to test just one.  But I can't model things I'm not yet aware of, and all this is basically being invented as I go along.

Furthermore, the models are not responsible for your responses to the script.  They can tell me what options I try will work better, and how much better compered to other options I model, but they can't tell me what to model.  If I have to figure out what to model, then each step is going to be a small one, which then leads to the next small one, and so forth.  From 5G to where we are now with 5.75.7G is literally thousands upon thousands of small steps that showed me a little more with each step, which allowed me to model new ideas, which showed me a little more with eacch step.  

Next, expecting perfection is just unreasonable, no matter what I do or what the models are capable of.  There will never come a day when any one subliminal or level of technology or even subliminal producer can achieve 100% execution 100% of the time with 100% of users.  

Not only that, you're ignoring a lot of other factors.  For example, making money is not "Press a button, get rich overnight."  No matter what I do, no matter how good UMS is or becomes, it is going to be used by people who are all unique.  Every one of them will have had unique experiences, which lead to unique interpretations of those experiences, which lead to unique conclusions and unique beliefs and expectations as a result of those experiences.  Every one of them will have a unique personality, and unique set of beliefs to start with.  They will all be a different age.  They will have different circumstances, live in different places, have different points of view.  They will have different levels of logical ability or emotional focus, different fears, different levels of fear, different responses to fear, and different desires, dreams, hopes and expectations.  That all adds up to everyone will have a different way of making money, and a different idea of what "rich" is and a different level of drive to achieve it, limitations that are self imposed and imposed externally, and so on and so forth.  

Different economic classes respond differently to the words "rich" and "wealthy", too.  People coming from the ghetto tend to want to "get rich", but they're not very interested in wealth.  People coming from the highest social strata tend to want to be wealthy, and focus on wealth and wealth preservation and growth.  And people in the middle tend to resonate more with wealth, but still focus on "getting rich".  Why?  They all have a different perspective on what these things are.  For some people, being "rich" or "wealthy" is having a family who loves them, and whom they can rely on and trust.  For some, it's having found their One True Love ™.  For some, it's making $100,000.  For some it's making $100,000 per year.  For some it's making $100,000 per year, after taxes.  For some, $100,000 is pocket change, and they would need to make $100,000,000 instead.  Still others see it as being $1 billion, or $100 billion.  Others would see it as being able to retire comfortably without being worried about how to pay bills and taxes and insurance and medical.  And so on.

And, we then have to consider that no subliminal is going to "do it all for you".  It's not going to think for you.  It's not going to make decisions for you.  It's not going to act for you.  It's not going to face your fears for you.  It's not going to force you to grow, change, improve, adapt, think or do what is necessary.  And that's true regardless of how "good the models are".  It presents you with a set of instructions that, if you execute them, will take you in the right direction.  But with a program like UMS, do you really think everyone is going to have the same circumstances, abilities, strengths, weaknesses, starting point, opportunities or anything else to work with?  

Ultimately, it's the complexity of the situation, my lack of perfect knowledge and other things, and has nothing to do with "the models" as to why you're not "rich" and sleeping with any woman you would ever want.  Life isn't simple, or black and white.

(04-11-2021, 10:22 AM)TheGreatAttractor Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon

Regarding the UMS v2 - 1 stage or 3+1 stages question.

Here's a possibility that may not have been considered:

So all 5.75G subs have a secondary ASRB ratio (i.e use the sub X days on and Y days off).

It may be possible to get around the issue of boredom with a single stage UMS by adding a 3rd order ASRB ratio. For example - use the sub for 3 days on and 5 days off for 80 days - then take an additional 10 days off.

The 15 days off at the end could be enough time to get around the boredom, but not long enough to lose the momentum.

It's worth a shot looking at the models to see if a 3rd order ASRB ratio would increase the effectiveness of the sub - for all the users in general, and specifically for the sub-category of users which experience subconscious boredom.

I actually have considered that.  Had been hoping to avoid having an ASRB3.  That just adds a layer of complexity to a setup that already confuses people who are new to this.  And, makes things more difficult to keep track of.  But you're right, it is an option to consider.

(04-11-2021, 09:38 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-11-2021, 10:22 AM)TheGreatAttractor Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon

Regarding the UMS v2 - 1 stage or 3+1 stages question.

Here's a possibility that may not have been considered:

So all 5.75G subs have a secondary ASRB ratio (i.e use the sub X days on and Y days off).

It may be possible to get around the issue of boredom with a single stage UMS by adding a 3rd order ASRB ratio. For example - use the sub for 3 days on and 5 days off for 80 days - then take an additional 10 days off.

The 15 days off at the end could be enough time to get around the boredom, but not long enough to lose the momentum.

It's worth a shot looking at the models to see if a 3rd order ASRB ratio would increase the effectiveness of the sub - for all the users in general, and specifically for the sub-category of users which experience subconscious boredom.

I was also thinking that the boredom could mean ASRB3 for some time off to execute, get rid of boredom and start another bigger cycle. Shannon always talks about cycles, these are the good ones

And with the 3+1 or single stage: the single stage is cheaper, but (!) we don't want cheap, we want the best results. With the modelling it might be complicated (I don't know exactly how it works) but if you ask question the devil is in the detail:
So if you ask "which program makes more users a millionnaire?" If single stage is a lot cheaper and more people buy it, there is a higher chance that one more person will become a millionnaire. So it might be helpful to ask in percentage of users, not in absolute numbers (in my head the models will be like "you get the answers you asked for, so if you want that, I can also give you that" - yes, I know, the models do not participate in conversation, it was just in my head)

Anyway whichever it is - 3+1 or single -  I wish all of us a lot fun and success with it.

With the 3+1 I was also thinking of a program like the seasons: One is for preparing (clearing out beliefs, etc - baseline programming but starting of manifesting), the second stage is mostly manifesting and the third one is being ready for the harvest, openness to receive the money, but also manifesting.

Just to clarify, when I model things like this, the goal is to find out what works best, what makes my customers the happiest with the results it produces and what produces the highest profits.  Profits show that people are buying it, and NOT asking for a refund.  Marketing can sell it, but only a good product that achieves its goals will avoid refunds.  The idea, basically, is "What works best for everybody?"  I'm not modeling things like how many people become millionaires.  I'm looking for a product that sells well, makes customers happy and produces the best results for me as a result.

(04-12-2021, 09:32 AM)GreekGod22 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-10-2021, 09:51 AM)samba99 Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, I have been getting massive TDI from UMS2. I am currently using AOL.

I would prefer a single stage,not because it's more affordable no. Because I feel I want all of the script at one time. But you know better ofc

This makes no sense since it's not been released.

A few years ago, I invented a subliminal script module that causes the program to start affecting people before they start using it.  The effect is called "Temporal Impact Displacement", and while it isn't always obvious, we have done a number of experiments over the years that prove it is real.  The latest example of seeing how real it is, is that Keith was basically able to tell me what the Aura of Love program does, before I ever told anyone what I was building.  Other examples include the last couple DMSI releases, people were reporting the TID from it and their TID actually pointed out issues that I was able to correct before I built it.  People frequently surprise me with their comments about TID because they often say things that refer to things I am currently working on, but which I haven't told anyone about or that I'm working on.

(04-12-2021, 09:42 AM)K-Train Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Shannon quick question. Sometime this year or the next,  would you consider rebuilding Aura of Sexiness utilizing the same tech from AOL? It would potentially provide a way for people to get a bit of a taste of DMSI without running the full program. Also, it would (I assume) being using similar tech to what is currently available. The same could be done for other aura based programs that are 5G and older.

If I can ever get UMS v2 finished, I would like to release a number of aura programs.  I have two or three more I want to publish at least.  It's a possibility.  Depends on how things play out.

(04-12-2021, 12:36 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-12-2021, 09:42 AM)K-Train Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Shannon quick question. Sometime this year or the next,  would you consider rebuilding Aura of Sexiness utilizing the same tech from AOL? It would potentially provide a way for people to get a bit of a taste of DMSI without running the full program. Also, it would (I assume) being using similar tech to what is currently available. The same could be done for other aura based programs that are 5G and older.

If I can ever get UMS v2 finished, I would like to release a number of aura programs.  I have two or three more I want to publish at least.  It's a possibility.  Depends on how things play out.

have you ever thought of making a program ,that will go into long term programming, just about love, unconditional love towards self and everything that surrounds you?

(04-12-2021, 12:26 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-10-2021, 03:44 PM)Yous Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-10-2021, 03:29 PM)tolgaocal80 Wrote: [ -> ]one stage or 4 stage doesn't differ much on money,

if UMSv2 doesn't work intended because of it is 1 stage(subconscious boring, too much loading in less time etc) soo;
1. Shannon's efforts will be wasted
2. You will not be satisfited with what you get from UMS 2

it would be a better way to decide models or Shannons himself

The models give an advantage to 1 stage, the powerful models would take into account the boreness, anyway the models, Shannon you or me are not perfect. I do think that if the models were so good we would be rich and we would be sleeping with any woman we want whenever we want. So if it really works I dont mind and I think anyone would to be  13 stage or 25 stages and paying 2.000 dollars. We are talking about possibilities and the future and what we think.

The models say better 1 stage and its cheaper, withthis information seems to be the better option by now.

I could tell you the opposite as well, if a multistage doesn't work, the efforts would be a much waste of time for iml and money for users and nobody will be satisfied, but we don't know which one will be better, and at the end if it works, anybody would care if its 1 or 15 stages.

So if we think that none of them works as well as it should would be better for all to be a single stage and if it works nobody would  care if its 1 or 5, it will a great success anyway for every one.

Your logic here is seriously flawed.  

Quote:I do think that if the models were so good we would be rich and we would be sleeping with any woman we want whenever we want.

This assumes that I can take what amounts to thousands of different steps in a single or a handful of steps, just because I have the models.  That is not the case.  The models tell me what is going to most likely happen under condition X or if Y is done/chosen, but the limiting factor is what I know.  To go from 5G to 6G is just one generation, but I have been working on it since 2012.  Why?  Because I can only model small steps at a time, because I am limited by what I know.  The models advance my knowledge much faster than would be possible without them; I can effectively test tens or even hundreds of possible variants of a configuration in the same time it takes to test just one.  But I can't model things I'm not yet aware of, and all this is basically being invented as I go along.

Furthermore, the models are not responsible for your responses to the script.  They can tell me what options I try will work better, and how much better compered to other options I model, but they can't tell me what to model.  If I have to figure out what to model, then each step is going to be a small one, which then leads to the next small one, and so forth.  From 5G to where we are now with 5.75.7G is literally thousands upon thousands of small steps that showed me a little more with each step, which allowed me to model new ideas, which showed me a little more with eacch step.  

Next, expecting perfection is just unreasonable, no matter what I do or what the models are capable of.  There will never come a day when any one subliminal or level of technology or even subliminal producer can achieve 100% execution 100% of the time with 100% of users.  

Not only that, you're ignoring a lot of other factors.  For example, making money is not "Press a button, get rich overnight."  No matter what I do, no matter how good UMS is or becomes, it is going to be used by people who are all unique.  Every one of them will have had unique experiences, which lead to unique interpretations of those experiences, which lead to unique conclusions and unique beliefs and expectations as a result of those experiences.  Every one of them will have a unique personality, and unique set of beliefs to start with.  They will all be a different age.  They will have different circumstances, live in different places, have different points of view.  They will have different levels of logical ability or emotional focus, different fears, different levels of fear, different responses to fear, and different desires, dreams, hopes and expectations.  That all adds up to everyone will have a different way of making money, and a different idea of what "rich" is and a different level of drive to achieve it, limitations that are self imposed and imposed externally, and so on and so forth.  

Different economic classes respond differently to the words "rich" and "wealthy", too.  People coming from the ghetto tend to want to "get rich", but they're not very interested in wealth.  People coming from the highest social strata tend to want to be wealthy, and focus on wealth and wealth preservation and growth.  And people in the middle tend to resonate more with wealth, but still focus on "getting rich".  Why?  They all have a different perspective on what these things are.  For some people, being "rich" or "wealthy" is having a family who loves them, and whom they can rely on and trust.  For some, it's having found their One True Love ™.  For some, it's making $100,000.  For some it's making $100,000 per year.  For some it's making $100,000 per year, after taxes.  For some, $100,000 is pocket change, and they would need to make $100,000,000 instead.  Still others see it as being $1 billion, or $100 billion.  Others would see it as being able to retire comfortably without being worried about how to pay bills and taxes and insurance and medical.  And so on.

And, we then have to consider that no subliminal is going to "do it all for you".  It's not going to think for you.  It's not going to make decisions for you.  It's not going to act for you.  It's not going to face your fears for you.  It's not going to force you to grow, change, improve, adapt, think or do what is necessary.  And that's true regardless of how "good the models are".  It presents you with a set of instructions that, if you execute them, will take you in the right direction.  But with a program like UMS, do you really think everyone is going to have the same circumstances, abilities, strengths, weaknesses, starting point, opportunities or anything else to work with?  

Ultimately, it's the complexity of the situation, my lack of perfect knowledge and other things, and has nothing to do with "the models" as to why you're not "rich" and sleeping with any woman you would ever want.  Life isn't simple, or black and white.

Agree with the complexity. The subliminals are good, but when you make subliminals to atract almost every woman you like with out do it nothing, become millionaire, ultra monetary success, or similar subliminals that pretend something so difficult, we return to the beginning, is really complex that people achieve this goals, so the programs are helping the people to change believes, facing some inner issues, etc, and are great for yhis kind of things, being more motivated, etc, but if the objetives are much more bigger, even if the subliminal is helping, it doesnt achieve the goals generally. 

All what i said i quite logical. A program that really achieve this kind of goals even i  the 65% of the persons could be sell for 1.000 thousand dollars. I have bought many many programs, i have nver ask for a refund, all the programs helped me in somoe ways, but none of them have achive all the goals even using them as instructed, so i think i can say my opinion, and in this case i was answering your question. Any flawless logic i see. 

I think its good that not everybody says what we all want to hear, it could help more.

(04-07-2021, 02:32 PM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2021, 01:33 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-03-2021, 12:01 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ]Eh.... @Shannon , as I supposed I have problems with attackers (energeticaly) , I am currently running MHS,and I thought to run it just for 4 cycles (if it is possible the following I would run it even longer) , but things are getting too problematic without any shield (plus some distant relatives (wannabe good people) are coming over and staying at least a month), so I have options (if it could be done this way)
What to do?
MHS+DRS
MHS+AOL (would prefer this one if it is an option)

I am aware that it could be draining and I am aware that it will share resources, my concern is would AOL or DRS conflict with MHS...
Your thoughts?

Thank you in advance

You can't do MHS and anything else and get the results MHS is designed to give you.  You could try to add in loops of DRS, but that will derail MHS to whatever degree you do.  So you should either use MHS OR DRS, or focus on MHS and try to find a balance of DRS.  I would NOT suggest using AOL because it is 5.75.7G and is significantly more powerful, and therefore potentially distracting and disruptive.

Thank you for clarification

@Shannon,I am benefiting MHS, right now on 3-rd cycle,and second day off.....but I really do have problems with some pretty negative persons plus other comming...and I cannot distance myself from them...the atacks are just comming in waves, tell me,should I finish one more cycle in order to start AOL or I can jump right in before finishing 4-th cycle of MHS?

(One night the attack was so strong that the whole night and the other day I was super dizzy, and than it mixed with my sleeping pattern ...from than I have difficult time falling asleep and sleep poorly at night.... and I AM 100% PERCENT SURE THAT THIS IS NOT SUBLIMINAL RELATED)

(04-13-2021, 06:48 AM)Yous Wrote: [ -> ][snip]
Agree with the complexity. The subliminals are good, but when you make subliminals to atract almost every woman you like with out do it nothing, become millionaire, ultra monetary success, or similar subliminals that pretend something so difficult, we return to the beginning, is really complex that people achieve this goals, so the programs are helping the people to change believes, facing some inner issues, etc, and are great for yhis kind of things, being more motivated, etc, but if the objetives are much more bigger, even if the subliminal is helping, it doesnt achieve the goals generally. 

The first thing you have to keep in mind is that the program isn't achieving the goals, you are.  It's a set of instructions, and you have to execute them.  That's why we keep developing things - to figure out how to create the instruction set that results in the desired level of execution.  But it's important to rememvber that the program can't achieve the goals.  It can only give you the instructions that, if you execute them, will result in you achieving the goals.

But this has nothing to do with how good the models are.  That was the point I was trying to make.  

Quote:All what i said i quite logical. A program that really achieve this kind of goals even i  the 65% of the persons could be sell for 1.000 thousand dollars. I have bought many many programs, i have nver ask for a refund, all the programs helped me in somoe ways, but none of them have achive all the goals even using them as instructed, so i think i can say my opinion, and in this case i was answering your question. Any flawless logic i see. 

I'm not saying anything about your right to express your opinion.  What I'm saying is that the accuracy of the models is the reason for us not having subliminals that more effectively achieve the goals for everyone is not the issue.  The subliminals have been getting better and better over time, because over time I learn more and more about how to communicate effectively and successfully with the subconscious parts of the human awareness. That, and how to achieve acceptance, cooperation and action on the goals of the program in the face of a brain that has parts that are logical and parts that are illogical (emotional) and parts that aren't even aware enough to be more than purely instinctual in their awareness.  

This requires me to understand not just how these things work, but how to discover how they work (since they're hidden).  To make use of the models, I have to know enough to know what to ask.  Again, the point is, how accurate the models are isn't the issue.  The issue is knowing enough to know what to ask the models.  And the reason the programs I make have been getting better and better is because over time, I learn a little more and a little more, and each step makes me better able to know what to ask the models.  

Quote:I think its good that not everybody says what we all want to hear, it could help more.

It's not about that, though.  I don't want people to just say what they think I want to hear.  What I am trying to communicate is that the models are not the issue.

(04-13-2021, 03:29 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-12-2021, 12:36 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-12-2021, 09:42 AM)K-Train Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Shannon quick question. Sometime this year or the next,  would you consider rebuilding Aura of Sexiness utilizing the same tech from AOL? It would potentially provide a way for people to get a bit of a taste of DMSI without running the full program. Also, it would (I assume) being using similar tech to what is currently available. The same could be done for other aura based programs that are 5G and older.

If I can ever get UMS v2 finished, I would like to release a number of aura programs.  I have two or three more I want to publish at least.  It's a possibility.  Depends on how things play out.

have you ever thought of making a program ,that will go into long term programming, just about love, unconditional love towards self and everything that surrounds you?

No.  But that is a possibility for the future.

(04-13-2021, 09:16 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-13-2021, 03:29 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-12-2021, 12:36 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-12-2021, 09:42 AM)K-Train Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Shannon quick question. Sometime this year or the next,  would you consider rebuilding Aura of Sexiness utilizing the same tech from AOL? It would potentially provide a way for people to get a bit of a taste of DMSI without running the full program. Also, it would (I assume) being using similar tech to what is currently available. The same could be done for other aura based programs that are 5G and older.

If I can ever get UMS v2 finished, I would like to release a number of aura programs.  I have two or three more I want to publish at least.  It's a possibility.  Depends on how things play out.

have you ever thought of making a program ,that will go into long term programming, just about love, unconditional love towards self and everything that surrounds you?

No.  But that is a possibility for the future.

I would be very interested,also awaiting in the future for psychic and the universal healing and renaisance man 

What would the pricing be for UMSv2 if it was a 3+1 stages.

(04-13-2021, 10:30 AM)Aventus45 Wrote: [ -> ]What would the pricing be for UMSv2 if it was a 3+1 stages.

Right now, most likely $114.95 a stage individually or $400 all at once.  But that of course would go up when the price goes back to normal.

Shannon - what would be the best subliminal to encourage fast progression and flourishing in my career? Either in a corporate hierarchical world or in making it as an entrepreneur?