(05-06-2020, 12:48 AM)Darwin Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Shannon, a couple of things clicked into place for me with two books I came across about fear and the experiences I've had with your subs.
I've spoken often here about MLS and SE - having recently read 'Finding Flow' by Mihaly Csíkszentmihályi I realise that with both of these subs I spent a lot of time in flow, and they helped me get into these states through different means, and that this is what I keep trying to get back to now (when I speak often about these subs).
With SE I entered flow because I had complete self acceptance and no inner critic bugging ; instead I had an attitude of 'whatever happens I can handle it, and my peace and happiness comes first'; with this attitude I could engage in any task, from creating a financial model to cleaning the kitchen (for want of a better expression) like an artist, labouring with curiosity and for the sheer pleasure of the work I was doing.
MLS built upon this (I transitioned into MLS straight from SE) by giving me tools to enhance my skill level. Not only did I have no inner critic but I had the added confidence of possessing a power to learn to solve and enjoy engaging in any problem.
The self esteem and high level mental competence from MLS gave me an experience I've not experienced since or before; something like being the character from limitless. I felt that with enough time and focus I could do anything and be in love with what I was doing.
The relevance of this to the current discussion on FRM is I had no fear at that time and I believe absence was intrinsically linked to the freedom and the energy state of being in flow which in turn came from the acceptance that I could handle anything with the power of not being ego damaged by failure or criticism (from SE) and the power being able to overcome and even enjoy any obstacle (through MLS).
Now I come to the main point I happened to open up the book 'feel the fear and do it anyway' on a page which seemed to corroborate my experience of no fear and the trail which lead to that state (through the path of Self Esteem and MLS)
The book distinguishes Level 1, 2 and 3 fears; level 1 fears being fears of things which just happen or which you need to take action on such as being attacked (just happens) and losing weight (something you need to take action on). Level 2 fears however are those which challenge your identity/ego such as success, being rejected etc (I personally place these fears in the realm of the death fear which we have spoken of). Level 3 is really interesting - the 'I can't handle it' fear; and every fear can be traced to this fear - i.e. i can't handle being rejected, I can't handle being attacked.
What I believe is that if I feel I can handle anything as I very much did on the subs I mentioned, I would have no need for fear (and I didn't). I am able to give up control over what I can't control and enjoy focussing on what I can control, even be absorbed in it (the fearless flow state).
In summary fear in my experience was entirely dissolved by trust, and trust came from a huge sense of personal power and personal power came from competence, discipline and the ability to manage my emotional state.
I hope that's helpful.
My experiences with exploring what fear is and my conclusions on how it works differ significantly from that book states. While I can see how you managed to get past your fears, that route will not work for everyone. Different personalities have different natural proclivities and abilities, and differing points of view and points of sensitivity, as well as different reactions to fear, etc. The approach to killing fear is not just one method. It has to be polymorphic self optimizing. And given its complexity, that makes it sort of squared or cubed in complexity to solve. I will ponder what you have said further and see if there is not some sort of clue here. Thank you.
(05-06-2020, 02:24 AM)Darwin Wrote: [ -> ]Oh I wanted to add on the relationship between power and fear; There are a few powers which I think are helpful to develop mentioned in the book which I think are strong antidotes to fear.
(1) The power to create joy and happiness
(2) The power to do what is needed (have discipline, overcome resistance)
(3) Power over how you react/and your understanding (the power to have choice over you emotional state)
(4) The power to act - I place this as a high level of consciousness about your level of agency in any given moment
(5) The power to Love !
I would break these powers down into several skills which I think have a good shot at raising power in these areas.
Skill 1: The skill of Flow
This means we confidently set goals and are able to immerse ourselves in those goals, be very present and engage with all tasks of life with high levels of presence. Research shows that the flow state is associated with the release of all the major happy chemicals (dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin and endorphin); so this skill covers joy and happiness, as well as the power to act (and i believe the power to love).
Skill 2: The skill of resistance confrontation
I believe that regardless of how good we feel we need to acquire the skill of getting over hurdles and weathering discomfort, knowing that we can overcome discomfort and have a a high frustration tolerance leaves us confident that we can overcome any obstacle; this can help us to enter into flow, as well as give us the confidence to act when external circumstance goes against us.
Skill 3: The skill of Consciousness
This is a tricky one, having a strong relationship to reality is necessary but also uncomfortable. We can't pick suitable goals without high levels of consciousness and realism - sure there is a place for fantasising, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty of goal completion as well as interacting with fellow humans and the planet we need to have a real sense of our place and have some humility else we choose goals which ultimately don't serve us (and I believe by definition that means they don't serve others) well, and we end up somewhere on the spectrum unable to comprehend where others are coming from.
OK rant over. Don't know what use if any this was but hey thought it was worth sharing my thoughts.
I appreciate it. I'll see if anything is possible to use.
(05-06-2020, 06:26 AM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: [ -> ]Hey @Shannon I know I've been asleep at the wheel on this one, but the extreme focus thing? Awesome!
Great idea for a sub!
Are you saying you just realized we have LFC sub, or that you just used it and like it?
(05-06-2020, 09:59 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2020, 06:26 AM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: [ -> ]Hey @Shannon I know I've been asleep at the wheel on this one, but the extreme focus thing? Awesome!
Great idea for a sub!
Are you saying you just realized we have LFC sub, or that you just used it and like it?
Neither LOL
When you revealed it, I thought it was awesome, but I did not comment. If it wasn't the surprise sub, then yes, I just now learned of it.
Lfc sub has been out a while so it can't be the two surprise subs
Besides it's already in 5.75g atm so it's pointless to remake it unless you didn't mean to say you thought it was the surprise sub
Also I am reporting some TID today or I had a period where I felt some sort of shift so to speak
Anyone else get this?
Hi Shannon, I have a question regarding optic nerve repair, is it possible? For as long as I can remember, my one eye has seen less than 20% of normal vision, which I consequently learned to see with one eye. Two years ago my defect was laser-corrected, but my eyesight did not improve much. From what I've learned, it involves part of the visual cortex and how to combine and process the image. I would like to know if a program like MHS 5.75g would heal this?Thanks.
(05-06-2020, 09:50 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2020, 12:31 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, could you give example of a time when you had use of the leadership training from AM and how it helped you?
A lot of what I would talk about has to do with having it transition me from refusing to allow myself to be led by my girlfriend, and leading her instead. At that time, I was dating a model, not the hottest woman I ever dated, but she looked like Gabriel Union. This woman was strong willed and used to getting her way through sex, manipulation, lies and whatever else it took to achieve, but she was also really good at self deception, so I couldn't tell when she was lying for the first year of our relationship because she genuinely believed her own lies.
When the dam broke, I was in a bad place emotionally. I had a situation I could not accept (cheating, being lied to, etc.) forcing me to deal with a fear I could not face (being alone). I remember one day before she came home from work realizing in no uncertain terms that I had to give her an ultimatum: stop cheating and get serious, or get out of my life. That scared the hell out of me, and while I was taking a shower I remember I broke down crying out of fear of her walking out. The only reason I had the courage to actually stand up with no tears and genuinely deliver that ultimatum without flinching was Alpha Male.
She walked in that door and I hit her with it like a lead brick, drill sergeant style. No fear, no hesitation, nothing but my way or the highway. Looking back, had I been further along in my development, I would simply have told her that she blew it, and get out. But for me to go from so terrified of being alone that I would let a woman do anything she wanted to me and behind my back, to giving an ultimatum without hesitation was a huge change for me.
She bent to my will. Unfortunately, she was the type who loved a strong man, but would never stop trying to test, push boundaries and get away with shit, and it wasn't long before she was back at it. Lying, cheating, stealing, drugs, etc. That second move was even harder, but I did kick her out.
You might be asking yourself, "How does this apply to leadership?" Well I was, for the first time in my life, leading myself through and past my biggest fears, and that took a lot of leadership.
Later on, we tried to get back together (because I was being willfully delusional) but she kept doing it, and even after she stopped, the fallout was just too much. And I ended it for good, another very difficult thing to do, because some part of me was willing to do and accept and believe anything to keep her. I think part of that was that she had some sort of way of manipulating my emotions and sex drive that I didn't understand for a long time.
So the AM leadership training got me this beautiful girlfriend who loved sex like she loved to breathe, and got me out of that relationship with her when I would not have had the strength or will to otherwise. Without AM, I firmly believe that I would have ended up either dead or in prison as a result of that relationship. As it turned out, I was fine, and she ended up in prison. (And for something incredibly stupid, too, which you would never guess in a million years unless you knew she was an active alcoholic at the time. Which, somehow, I hadn't figured out.)
Thanks for sharing the story - I know to well how to be manipulated into the claws of someone else. Both by a "friend" who found ways to manipulate me to stay being his friend by taking advantage of my fear of being alone - and a girl who didn't really care for me, but I stayed with her and became extremely co-dependent. I think it's a coin with two sides - it's some part the other persons fault, using your weaknesses against you and not being a real supportive human being (often because their own lack of being able to take care of themselves) - and your own fault for getting into that situation in the first place.
LTU5 have helped me get back to a place where I feel more and more "secure" in my "self" - i.e. I "need" other people to a lesser degree - and this time I have been dealing with the root cause for my co-dependent tendencies - which got me into the situations I described above - which I believe stem from my relationship with my mother (of course...) - she is co-dependent herself, and I think that she somewhat unconsciously have raised me to be less independent (and I notice her showing anger when I show signs of independence - which previously made me avoid that to avoid the fear of her anger) - to make me forever attached to her so she didn't had to deal with her own fear in the bottom of her co-dependence (of loosing me). It's really sad, but I'm glad I'm starting to realize this stuff - I haven't really felt that I was good enough, or allowed to take care of my own needs - it's a deep problem and I'm still working on it.
I want to find myself being fully self-supportive, as far away of the awful codependence I've experienced in the past - so maybe AM7 will help me achieving this in the future when I feel ready for it. Right now LTU5 is doing a good job and I think LTU6 will do an even better one at helping me overcome these issues.
By the way - I think you should provide examples, as the one you did above, for each point in the AM-program. Some of the points are a bit abstract, and while you can get an idea of what they refer to, a real-world example for each one would become very illustrative to what kind of things the program help you develop - and in turn maybe increasing your sales.
And to be honest, I was hoping for an answer about leadership in other situations than with women. I understand that being independent from women is what many people here are trying to achieve, and from what I understand becoming an AM will bring this effect to your life. But I also want to know more about how AM will develop you as a leader and a man in general - like in social situations, at work, etc - how will people, other men react to you, how are you able to motivate and inspire other people, etc?
Thanks, and all the best!
(05-06-2020, 09:30 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (05-05-2020, 06:53 PM)KingDavid93 Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon
Hi,
Out of curiosity what are you currently using yourself?
Right now I am using Life Tune-Up 5. Need to keep from getting depressed with all the time being stuck indoors because of the lockdown, leaving me few to no options for anything to do outside the house.
Quote:And with regards to MIR 3.0- if you are using it to target any latent infections or other infections that you carry but don’t have any blatant symptoms how long should you be using it for that effect and how do you know when to stop/when any latent infections have been taken care of?
Doesn't it detail that in the instructions for that program?
1. That’s interesting considering you mentioned that MIR was having some serious effects on you
2. What I meant to ask is if you have latent infection or any other type without any actual symptoms how do you know when to stop without getting tested for it, since you probably wouldn’t know what to get tested for- therefore using mir as your test, is it as simple as monitoring your energy levels and then when you feel that it isn’t using too much energy anymore then you’re good to go?
(05-07-2020, 06:02 AM)KingDavid93 Wrote: [ -> ]1. That’s interesting considering you mentioned that MIR was having some serious effects on you
Latent infections without symptoms do not take precedence over staying emotionally healthy enough to remain functional and paying the bills. Staying cooped up in the house all the time without socialization from anyone by my girlfriend, well thankfully I have that, but neither of us is really fully socialized that way. So we are using LTU5 to keep us healthy while this is going on.
Quote:2. What I meant to ask is if you have latent infection or any other type without any actual symptoms how do you know when to stop without getting tested for it, since you probably wouldn’t know what to get tested for- therefore using mir as your test, is it as simple as monitoring your energy levels and then when you feel that it isn’t using too much energy anymore then you’re good to go?
Without getting tested, you will have little in the way of knowing how far along you are in terms of killing the infection. You can request to be tested for all known, or all known common latent infections that don't have symptoms. I suggest 6 months for latent infections, and that should be enough time to wipe out most types of latent infection that your body becomes capable of detecting through MIR v3, but I cannot know for sure without more data. The only way to get that data is through testing for and identifying latent infections, and then tracking pathogen load as you progress.
Otherwise, you have to go by symptoms... and if the infection is truly latent... it may not have any.
Good to see frm is progressing for you Shannon
I'll never quite know what these models do exactly or what they show but it sounds like frm 4.9 is gonna be good
Shannon's quote
"FRM 4.9 is definitely interesting... getting some results I didn't expect coming through the models. "
Me: No shit? Like what? lemme guess Super secret KFC special ingredients? Oh well...least it was worth askin'
Im shure its good stuff,whatever it may be!
(05-07-2020, 01:06 PM)LiquidMind Wrote: [ -> ]Good to see frm is progressing for you Shannon
I'll never quite know what these models do exactly or what they show but it sounds like frm 4.9 is gonna be good
If the forecasts hold, I would say so. I'm trying to design a very different approach in this statement, and while there are still aspects needing to be figured out, it looks like this approach may be a significant step towards the goal.
(05-07-2020, 01:09 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon's quote
"FRM 4.9 is definitely interesting... getting some results I didn't expect coming through the models. "
Me: No shit? Like what? lemme guess Super secret KFC special ingredients? Oh well...least it was worth askin'
Im shure its good stuff,whatever it may be!
Basically, someone suggested something to me to try. I could find no inherent reason why it was not worth considering, so I made note of it. I did not expect it to work, but that's why I use the models: sometimes, what I expect and believe is based on insufficient knowledge and understanding to make the best choice. In this case, the results I am getting concerning this methodology are far better than what I expected. I don't necessarily know if that makes this approach the "end all be all" but it should at least be a significant step forward.
I appreciate it. I'll see if anything is possible to use.
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Thanks for hearing me out Shannon.