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(05-13-2020, 08:31 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-13-2020, 08:22 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-13-2020, 01:07 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]Ho Shannon,

I asked you before what the difference between a dominant man and domineering others people was, and you replied by comparing a hammer with  driving a nail - which after some contemplation made sense.

Now I’m reading the product page of the alpha male program and a similar question came to mind when reading the following paragraph :

Quote:Be in complete control of yourself and your environment, and YOU will be the one who controls when, how, and with whom you have sex.

What I’m wondering is what the difference is between being in control of your environment and controlling your environment?

Being in control of is a status without necessity for action.  Controlling your environment requires active participation.  You must control, gain control, before you are in control.  Once you are in control, action may or may not be requied to maintain that control.  But controlling it implies action.

In some ways, there is no difference.

But how can you gain control of a situation without making people feeling controlled by you?

Sorry if I'm jumping in without being Shannon/adding much value:

To me "being in control of the environment" means that I am in the present moment, I see what happens around me and I'm ready to act if needed (that is more like a mental attitude to me than doing a lot). Also it's kind of like "I choose to be in that environment and I am always aware that I can choose another environment/leave/change the environment"

The other part "controlling the environment" means I have to be aware of the environment and constantly act/adjust the environment that it fits my perception/vision and without my action I don't feel good about being in that environment anymore.

So the first one is for example a teacher who comes in class who does not have to do much to keep everything in control, always an answer ready, knows what he/she/it is doing and only doing what is necessary. This teacher "feels in control" by being ready.

The second teacher would be one who tries to control the students, how they sit in the class room, has to adjust everything so the teacher "feels in control" by controlling the environment. When too much changes the teacher can't adjust enough to "feel in control".

I'm sure Shannon can make that teacher example in better words.
Hey @Shannon or @Benjamin Could either of you guys tell me what is the length for MHS 5.75? I want to know because I noticed after I bought it that the order still has the 5.5G tag on it instead of 5.75. So I want to make sure I'm running the right one. I used to have the old one so want to make sure it has really changed in my orders. Thanks in advance.
Hey man,
That's because unfortunately I have to complete the orders manually at the moment. I've done so and you should get the email with links.
Shannon

I continue to ruminate on power as the antidote to fear to the point where I suspect it is pre-exposure impact of a subliminal you are completing. I see that fear is a power state created by the ego for the purpose of survival of the self and it is an error to allow this to govern actions since that part of the self is only one aspect, a item of content, in consciousness which is already at a lower power state - it can't have true power.

My current understanding that power can be elevated through the pitch and frequency of consciousness, when this happens fear is like a sugar cube in the ocean.

Fear is a minor tool employed by the item of consciousness which is the ego; when power is low, the ego has greater sway and uses fear to enhance power at it's frequency, looking to manifest it in denser planes of existence. The more it has sway the more it makes real the very entropy it is driving us to avoid. I won't say more on this, you probably know already or have already passed by this part of understanding.

It can be said though though fear has a useful physical component, bringing the body into line and ready for action, desire and fear are in the body. The physical grounding of these aspects in the body doesn't have to have its conceptual aspect, the conceptual aspect can easily be replaced by arousal and focus.

I don't know truthfully if any of that is right, but it's what I'm getting at the moment.
How high is the probability that USLM 4.2 comes out in May 2020?
(05-14-2020, 02:28 AM)Darwin Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon

I continue to ruminate on power as the antidote to fear to the point where I suspect it is pre-exposure impact of a subliminal you are completing. I see that fear is a power state created by the ego for the purpose of survival of the self and it is an error to allow this to govern actions since that part of the self is only one aspect, a item of content, in consciousness which is already at a lower power state - it can't have true power.

My current understanding that power can be elevated through the pitch and frequency of consciousness, when this happens fear is like a sugar cube in the ocean.

Fear is a minor tool employed by the item of consciousness which is the ego; when power is low, the ego has greater sway and uses fear to enhance power at it's frequency, looking to manifest it in denser planes of existence. The more it has sway the more it makes real the very entropy it is driving us to avoid. I won't say more on this, you probably know already or have already passed by this part of understanding.  

It can be said though though fear has a useful physical component, bringing the body into line and ready for action, desire and fear are in the body. The physical grounding of these aspects in the body doesn't have to have its conceptual aspect, the conceptual aspect can easily be replaced by arousal and focus.

I don't know truthfully if any of that is right, but it's what I'm getting at the moment.

I am having a hard time following you because the ego is not what I find at the root of fear.  Perhaps we are not using the same definition, but I find fear always originates from the instinctual lizard brain, which I find is below the level of awareness required for ego.  How does this fit within what you are saying here?
(05-14-2020, 08:04 AM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]How high is the probability that USLM 4.2 comes out in May 2020?

Pretty good.  I'm working on it, along with FRM, today.  

By the way, at this point, I've concluded that if USLM 4.2 does not fix the problems we are having with the 4.x series, then I'll just refund those of you having these issues with gift certificates, as I can't spend a lot of time working in that direction for a while, given what I have to do with getting 6G ready.
(05-14-2020, 08:36 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-14-2020, 08:04 AM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]How high is the probability that USLM 4.2 comes out in May 2020?

Pretty good.  I'm working on it, along with FRM, today.  

By the way, at this point, I've concluded that if USLM 4.2 does not fix the problems we are having with the 4.x series, then I'll just refund those of you having these issues with gift certificates, as I can't spend a lot of time working in that direction for a while, given what I have to do with getting 6G ready.

That’s very nice of you- do you know yet if USLM 4.2 will include frm 4.9+ and the drs?
@Shannon

If we had a way of dissolving the ego. Would that allow the subs to bypass resistance and fear?
(05-14-2020, 05:22 PM)Superman Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon

If we had a way of dissolving the ego. Would that allow the subs to bypass resistance and fear?

Why would you want to dissolve the ego? Your ego gets you moving in the world, it helps you accomplish goals. If you had no ego you’d be a vegetable. 

It’s far more advantageous to integrate your ego and empower it to be a positive one which helps you to be successful and to feel good. A balanced ego with a healthy size. 

Too often the issue people are trying to solve by “dissolving their ego” is a weak or ineffective ego. Weak ego’s especially, where their ego defences are activated by the slightest slight which can send a person into an emotional tailspin. 

Realign your perspective towards transforming your ego instead of wanting to remove it.
(05-13-2020, 09:13 AM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-13-2020, 08:31 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-13-2020, 08:22 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-13-2020, 01:07 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]Ho Shannon,

I asked you before what the difference between a dominant man and domineering others people was, and you replied by comparing a hammer with  driving a nail - which after some contemplation made sense.

Now I’m reading the product page of the alpha male program and a similar question came to mind when reading the following paragraph :

Quote:Be in complete control of yourself and your environment, and YOU will be the one who controls when, how, and with whom you have sex.

What I’m wondering is what the difference is between being in control of your environment and controlling your environment?

Being in control of is a status without necessity for action.  Controlling your environment requires active participation.  You must control, gain control, before you are in control.  Once you are in control, action may or may not be requied to maintain that control.  But controlling it implies action.

In some ways, there is no difference.

But how can you gain control of a situation without making people feeling controlled by you?

Sorry if I'm jumping in without being Shannon/adding much value:

To me "being in control of the environment" means that I am in the present moment, I see what happens around me and I'm ready to act if needed (that is more like a mental attitude to me than doing a lot). Also it's kind of like "I choose to be in that environment and I am always aware that I can choose another environment/leave/change the environment"

The other part "controlling the environment" means I have to be aware of the environment and constantly act/adjust the environment that it fits my perception/vision and without my action I don't feel good about being in that environment anymore.

So the first one is for example a teacher who comes in class who does not have to do much to keep everything in control, always an answer ready, knows what he/she/it is doing and only doing what is necessary. This teacher "feels in control" by being ready.

The second teacher would be one who tries to control the students, how they sit in the class room, has to adjust everything so the teacher "feels in control" by controlling the environment. When too much changes the teacher can't adjust enough to "feel in control".

I'm sure Shannon can make that teacher example in better words.

Thanks for the reply and the analogy. So I guess it's more about being in control of yourself and your emotional state and from that place have more ability to participate in creating the circumstances around you that are preferable for your intention and guiding people towards that, rather than forcing people to follow your lead. 

If you could expand a bit on this Shannon I would appreciate it as I think I get it but I'm not fully there yet.

Also I'm interested to know if you could see that AM7 could become a natural next step after having run LTU5/6?
I would also like to know Shannon's take on this!
(05-14-2020, 08:34 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-14-2020, 02:28 AM)Darwin Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon

I continue to ruminate on power as the antidote to fear to the point where I suspect it is pre-exposure impact of a subliminal you are completing. I see that fear is a power state created by the ego for the purpose of survival of the self and it is an error to allow this to govern actions since that part of the self is only one aspect, a item of content, in consciousness which is already at a lower power state - it can't have true power.

My current understanding that power can be elevated through the pitch and frequency of consciousness, when this happens fear is like a sugar cube in the ocean.

Fear is a minor tool employed by the item of consciousness which is the ego; when power is low, the ego has greater sway and uses fear to enhance power at it's frequency, looking to manifest it in denser planes of existence. The more it has sway the more it makes real the very entropy it is driving us to avoid. I won't say more on this, you probably know already or have already passed by this part of understanding.  

It can be said though though fear has a useful physical component, bringing the body into line and ready for action, desire and fear are in the body. The physical grounding of these aspects in the body doesn't have to have its conceptual aspect, the conceptual aspect can easily be replaced by arousal and focus.

I don't know truthfully if any of that is right, but it's what I'm getting at the moment.

I am having a hard time following you because the ego is not what I find at the root of fear.  Perhaps we are not using the same definition, but I find fear always originates from the instinctual lizard brain, which I find is below the level of awareness required for ego.  How does this fit within what you are saying here?

OK I'm trying to work it out myself so I will think it through here from first principles. 

There's a physical origin of arousal in response to danger which is the reptilian brain/amygdala giving us our fight/flight/arousal response. 
 
This is conceptualised as fear and expanded by the ego which simulates danger and creates more triggers for fear to ensure survival. 


There is a circular relationship between a conceptual fear in the world (for example that ones power or efficacy is insufficient to meet a requirement the world has of you, thus making you unlikely to survive) and the triggering of the fear response.

When the ego dominates consciousness you become obsessed with addressing that fear through gaining physical power and all pursuits stem from that fundamental desire for preservation and survival. 

You become miserable, anxious and negative in the presence of anything which to you means a lessening of power. You get temporary respite from the achievement of goals springing from that's state of consciousness (if you're lucky!) but I don't think conceptual fear leads anywhere good in a sustainable way, and mostly will take you to exactly what you're avoiding.  

So fear will double back on itself and increase itself - for example if you suffer status anxiety, the anxiety is likely drive you to preserve what status you have by not putting yourself out there/making yourself small/'pretending' all of which diminish status and send you into a downward spiral.  


Dropping fear has to come then through (1) the belief that I can manifest the power to deal with anything and (2) an awareness that self is more than just the ego self.  I believe this is why things like meditation (the expansion of consciousness beyond the small self and awareness that one is more than just the ego) allows us to go beyond fear and be happy. It also expands our efficacy because we can make rational decisions outside of fear. 

I was also coming from a slightly esoteric place having looked at David Hawkins 'power versus force'; which seems to suggest that fear doesn't exist at higher levels of consciousness/power or at least has less sway and so one way to eliminate fear is to take on or embody higher levels of truth and consciousness. 

It's a bit fluffy i know, but that's what i have for now and I have to head off to work so happy to continue later if at all useful.
I still think that fear makes us evasive and avoid. This makes us focus on what we do not want, I am afraid of failing and therefore I do not try, I am afraid of succeeding and therefore I do not try or self-sabotage if I have had any success. I am afraid of having a successful relationship and I either don't try or self-sabotage. The fear It makes us focus on what we don't want, and fear makes us not face each other, not facing each other makes us be evasive and all this together makes us attract inertia and in an unconscious way everything we fear. Therefore I believe that the way to overcome these fears is to confront them and demystify them, the fears are much bigger in our heads and most are irrational or disproportionate.

Fear also makes us imagine what scares us and consequently attract it, however when facing this fear and acting head on it loses its suggestive and irrational power and power of attraction, because when facing it it disappears or is transformed, but in any case it loses its initial power. The new fear may be another, but it will no longer be the same that controls us, it will be another that we can face again. This will give us progressive confidence and the fear will disappear and will no longer control us.

I think you are talking about two different fears, the initial fear, the reptilian had his raison d'être for survival, now there are no lions behind the undergrowth, therefore there is no need to run or ignore them, you have to look and see what is there.

The only way I have to develop my thinking and my presentations well is to write in Spanish and then go through the google translator, so excuse me for any inconsistencies, but I think it is the best way to convey my ideas without getting lost in the translation.
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