Subliminal Talk

(05-04-2020, 05:06 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2020, 05:02 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2020, 02:08 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2020, 01:40 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I am working on FRM, USLM, Secret Something A Prototype 8 and Secret Something B Prototype 1.

I am having a good time with FRM right now.  And SSB-P1.

Heh, I figured that meant DMSI must have been the "prototype 8", thinking as in 8th version. Because I know that was in the round of subs being worked on now. But when I checked my folder for DMSI, I counted  more than 8 versions already, so that can't be it. That means there are two other programs in front of it now. Hmm.

Glad FRM is being worked on though, looking forward to seeing FRM4.9 or whatever the next version ends up being called due to changes.

Assumptions, assumptions.  I said I'm worrking on it, not that it is ahead of DMSI.  I am worrking on these four to be maximally productive while I figure out FRM 4.9 and then I'm going to do DMSI.  But FRM 4.9 is going to take me some very intricate scripting to accomplish.  So since I can't burn out... might as well work on these other things as well.

Assumptions indeed.

Huge relief.

Let me know when to take the 35 day break from DMSI. And when to fire up your steak, lol.

Had another sex dream last night. Extremely rare to me overall. This one was much more direct. A girl I know who is attractive, in the dream her and a female friend headed into my bedroom and *somehow* had sex and I walked in on the female friend on top of her and the friend orgasming hard. Lmao. Odd. I somehow felt she "cheated" on me and I left, although we were both very cordial and cool about it. No implied relationship or anything either, haha. Weird dream. But notable, because girls in my dreams are very rare on these subs, never mind anything with a sexual theme. The last while I've had a few around both topics, so very notable!

All the best. Stay safe.

I too would like an eta on when to stop subs in prep for next installment 

Assuming frm is not going to be too much of a pain

(05-04-2020, 01:21 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I think that there are multiple definitions of "ego", which leads to confusion.  There are also multiple different understandings of each definition, which further leads to confusion.  

It is my point of view that the "ego" exists as a part of our awareness which is both conscious and subconscious, operating (in simple terms) as a singular, but transcending the boundary of conscious and subconscious.  So part of it is conscious and part of it is subconscious.  It is actually significantly more complex than that, but I don't care to get too detailed because there will always be someone who disagrees and I don't care to get into that discussion.

The subconscious is not the ego, and the ego is not the subconscious.  The ego is a part of the whole, which operates within the whole such that part is and part is not "conscious".  The "conscious ego" influences the conscious primarily, and subconscious less so.  The "subconscious ego" influences the subconscious and conscious more equally.

It may be useful, if I can be descriptive enough, to imagine a graph showing the area within two axes of the graph which contains all the data points.  Similar to a scatter plot, but not showing points; instead it shows the limits of the points and the area in which they all fall, without reference to how many data points fall within any particular place within the area depicted.  

If you are still with me, there is an area from top to bottom that looks like a gradient which represents the conscious and subconscious.  The gradient crosses the chart such that above it is the definite conscious awareness and below it is the definite subconscious awareness.  The gradient represents the area where they come together and more or less coexist.  Think the "falling asleep" phase of sleeping.

Within this plot, imagine a jelly bean shape such that it extends mostly below the gradient, but some of it is above it.  Now elongate that shape and straighten it such that it is too thin and straight to be a jelly bean.  Now you have some sort of two dimensional visual representation of a very simplified representation of what I am talking about.

I don't know if this fully answers your question or not, but if not, please ask for what I did not get.

Hope things are going well for you.

I think I get the jist of it then. I would ask then can the ego become a point of resistance to the subs then? The way some people talk about it it almost like the ego has the potential to be so dogmatic about how it sees itself and "reality" that anything that contradicts that reality is highly resisted. Perhaps this is the subconscious side of the ego if that is true?

@Shannon Also I'm doing well. I'm not currently in China but the US. Was on vacation in the Philippines when the outbreak broke out so I couldn't return to China. Eventually it was too expensive to stay put in the Philippines (The school cut my paycheck by 80% last paycheck because of not being open) so I decided to return here since China is currently barring foreigners from enter. Main reason being that they got the thing under control but then when foreigners started coming back they noticed they started bringing the infection back with them. 

My results with DMSI were ok the last time I talked about them. Met that super hot chick with nice body in Malaysia. Could have really gotten with her but I noticed one glaring problem (probably something related to what you mentioned in someone else journal recently): She was absolutely boring. She was very hot and a nice person (Bought me food and stuff) but she had no personality whatsoever. Was just really quiet and didn't do much. On her days off all she did was do chores and watch Korean dramas. That's it. Wasn't big on conversation either. I guess this kind of attitude of she is hot and she doesn't have to develop any other side of herself. I do admit I messed up as well getting mad about something early on but didn't change the other facts of the matter. Think that is the best DMSI has done for me as far as manifesting such a women. Probably the hottest women I had gotten with in my life so far. Can only guess how any future version of DMSI might work.

@Shannon

Hi,

Out of curiosity what are you currently using yourself?

And with regards to MIR 3.0- if you are using it to target any latent infections or other infections that you carry but don’t have any blatant symptoms how long should you be using it for that effect and how do you know when to stop/when any latent infections have been taken care of?

Hi Shannon

I noticed that you changed the instructions for UMS
"Use this program 2 loops per day for 3 days on and then take 5 days off."

Previously this was open for everyone to use as they feel or guided by it. Does this mean this is now the final recommended usage? I just used this pattern and I had strong urge to use it after 4 days gap.

Shannon, could you give example of a time when you had use of the leadership training from AM and how it helped you?

Hi Shannon, a couple of things clicked into place for me with two books I came across about fear and the experiences I've had with your subs.

I've spoken often here about MLS and SE - having recently read 'Finding Flow' by Mihaly Csíkszentmihályi I realise that with both of these subs I spent a lot of time in flow, and they helped me get into these states through different means, and that this is what I keep trying to get back to now (when I speak often about these subs).

With SE I entered flow because I had complete self acceptance and no inner critic bugging ; instead I had an attitude of 'whatever happens I can handle it, and my peace and happiness comes first'; with this attitude I could engage in any task, from creating a financial model to cleaning the kitchen (for want of a better expression) like an artist, labouring with curiosity and for the sheer pleasure of the work I was doing.

MLS built upon this (I transitioned into MLS straight from SE) by giving me tools to enhance my skill level. Not only did I have no inner critic but I had the added confidence of possessing a power to learn to solve and enjoy engaging in any problem.

The self esteem and high level mental competence from MLS gave me an experience I've not experienced since or before; something like being the character from limitless. I felt that with enough time and focus I could do anything and be in love with what I was doing.

The relevance of this to the current discussion on FRM is I had no fear at that time and I believe absence was intrinsically linked to the freedom and the energy state of being in flow which in turn came from the acceptance that I could handle anything with the power of not being ego damaged by failure or criticism (from SE) and the power being able to overcome and even enjoy any obstacle (through MLS).

Now I come to the main point I happened to open up the book 'feel the fear and do it anyway' on a page which seemed to corroborate my experience of no fear and the trail which lead to that state (through the path of Self Esteem and MLS)

The book distinguishes Level 1, 2 and 3 fears; level 1 fears being fears of things which just happen or which you need to take action on such as being attacked (just happens) and losing weight (something you need to take action on). Level 2 fears however are those which challenge your identity/ego such as success, being rejected etc (I personally place these fears in the realm of the death fear which we have spoken of). Level 3 is really interesting - the 'I can't handle it' fear; and every fear can be traced to this fear - i.e. i can't handle being rejected, I can't handle being attacked.

What I believe is that if I feel I can handle anything as I very much did on the subs I mentioned, I would have no need for fear (and I didn't). I am able to give up control over what I can't control and enjoy focussing on what I can control, even be absorbed in it (the fearless flow state).

In summary fear in my experience was entirely dissolved by trust, and trust came from a huge sense of personal power and personal power came from competence, discipline and the ability to manage my emotional state.

I hope that's helpful.

Oh I wanted to add on the relationship between power and fear; There are a few powers which I think are helpful to develop mentioned in the book which I think are strong antidotes to fear.

(1) The power to create joy and happiness
(2) The power to do what is needed (have discipline, overcome resistance)
(3) Power over how you react/and your understanding (the power to have choice over you emotional state)
(4) The power to act - I place this as a high level of consciousness about your level of agency in any given moment
(5) The power to Love !

I would break these powers down into several skills which I think have a good shot at raising power in these areas.

Skill 1: The skill of Flow

This means we confidently set goals and are able to immerse ourselves in those goals, be very present and engage with all tasks of life with high levels of presence. Research shows that the flow state is associated with the release of all the major happy chemicals (dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin and endorphin); so this skill covers joy and happiness, as well as the power to act (and i believe the power to love).

Skill 2: The skill of resistance confrontation

I believe that regardless of how good we feel we need to acquire the skill of getting over hurdles and weathering discomfort, knowing that we can overcome discomfort and have a a high frustration tolerance leaves us confident that we can overcome any obstacle; this can help us to enter into flow, as well as give us the confidence to act when external circumstance goes against us.

Skill 3: The skill of Consciousness

This is a tricky one, having a strong relationship to reality is necessary but also uncomfortable. We can't pick suitable goals without high levels of consciousness and realism - sure there is a place for fantasising, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty of goal completion as well as interacting with fellow humans and the planet we need to have a real sense of our place and have some humility else we choose goals which ultimately don't serve us (and I believe by definition that means they don't serve others) well, and we end up somewhere on the spectrum unable to comprehend where others are coming from.

OK rant over. Don't know what use if any this was but hey thought it was worth sharing my thoughts.

Hey @Shannon I know I've been asleep at the wheel on this one, but the extreme focus thing? Awesome!

Great idea for a sub!

(05-06-2020, 12:48 AM)Darwin Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Shannon, a couple of things clicked into place for me with two books I came across about fear and the experiences I've had with your subs.

I've spoken often here about MLS and SE - having recently read 'Finding Flow' by Mihaly Csíkszentmihályi I realise that with both of these subs I spent a lot of time in flow, and they helped me get into these states through different means, and that this is what I keep trying to get back to now (when I speak often about these subs).

With SE I entered flow because I had complete self acceptance and no inner critic bugging ; instead I had an attitude of 'whatever happens I can handle it, and my peace and happiness comes first'; with this attitude I could engage in any task, from creating a financial model  to cleaning the kitchen (for want of a better expression) like an artist, labouring with curiosity and for the sheer pleasure of the work I was doing.

MLS built upon this (I transitioned into MLS straight from SE) by giving me tools to enhance my skill level. Not only did I have no inner critic but I had the added confidence of possessing a power to learn to solve and enjoy engaging in any problem.

The self esteem and high level mental competence from MLS gave me an experience I've not experienced since or before; something like being the character from limitless. I felt that with enough time and focus I could do anything and be in love with what I was doing.

The relevance of this to the current discussion on FRM is I had no fear at that time and I believe absence was intrinsically linked to the freedom and the energy state of being in flow which in turn came from the acceptance that I could handle anything with the power of not being ego damaged by failure or criticism (from SE) and the power being able to overcome and even enjoy any obstacle (through MLS).

Now I come to the main point I happened to open up the book 'feel the fear and do it anyway' on a page which seemed to corroborate my experience of no fear and the trail which lead to that state (through the path of Self Esteem and MLS)

The book distinguishes Level 1, 2 and 3 fears; level 1 fears being fears of things which just happen or which you need to take action on such as being attacked (just happens) and losing weight (something you need to take action on). Level 2 fears however are those which challenge your identity/ego such as success, being rejected etc (I  personally place these fears in the realm of the death fear which we have spoken of).  Level 3 is really interesting - the 'I can't handle it' fear; and every fear can be traced to this fear - i.e. i can't handle being rejected, I can't handle being attacked.

What I believe is that if I feel I can handle anything as I very much did on the subs I mentioned, I would have no need for fear (and I didn't). I am able to give up control over what I can't control and enjoy focussing on what I can control, even be absorbed in it (the fearless flow state).

In summary fear in my experience was entirely dissolved by trust, and trust came from a huge sense of personal power and personal power came from competence, discipline and the ability to manage my emotional state.

I hope that's helpful.

I agree and wanted to take advantage of your theory to support mine. You are not afraid or it does not stop you because you have confidence because you believe that you can face what comes and overcome it sooner or later and that there is nothing so bad that you either cannot overcome it or if you cannot overcome it you can't live with it. This would come within the hypothesis that I defend, that we have to be aware of our fears and face them if necessary to achieve our goals.

As for your second post, point number 2, try until you get it, willpower and discipline, for a long time I have read that resistance is not overcome with this if not convincing the subconscious in another way, but if we have a program that allow us to try again and again until we get it, I understand that the resistance would also be overcome. In other words, here I would be proposing that the subconscious help us indirectly to improve our will power, determination and insistence, instead of directly as we are currently trying to attack the root of the problem. It could be addressed in both ways, if one did not work we would still have another possibility.

(05-06-2020, 12:10 AM)guyinlahore Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Shannon

I noticed that you changed the instructions for UMS
"Use this program 2 loops per day for 3 days on and then take 5 days off."

Previously this was open for everyone to use as they feel or guided by it. Does this mean this is now the final recommended usage? I just used this pattern and I had strong urge to use it after 4 days gap.

Im curious about this aswell. I craved more and more loops on ums when I ran it.

(05-05-2020, 01:49 PM)DarthXedonias Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2020, 01:21 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I think that there are multiple definitions of "ego", which leads to confusion.  There are also multiple different understandings of each definition, which further leads to confusion.  

It is my point of view that the "ego" exists as a part of our awareness which is both conscious and subconscious, operating (in simple terms) as a singular, but transcending the boundary of conscious and subconscious.  So part of it is conscious and part of it is subconscious.  It is actually significantly more complex than that, but I don't care to get too detailed because there will always be someone who disagrees and I don't care to get into that discussion.

The subconscious is not the ego, and the ego is not the subconscious.  The ego is a part of the whole, which operates within the whole such that part is and part is not "conscious".  The "conscious ego" influences the conscious primarily, and subconscious less so.  The "subconscious ego" influences the subconscious and conscious more equally.

It may be useful, if I can be descriptive enough, to imagine a graph showing the area within two axes of the graph which contains all the data points.  Similar to a scatter plot, but not showing points; instead it shows the limits of the points and the area in which they all fall, without reference to how many data points fall within any particular place within the area depicted.  

If you are still with me, there is an area from top to bottom that looks like a gradient which represents the conscious and subconscious.  The gradient crosses the chart such that above it is the definite conscious awareness and below it is the definite subconscious awareness.  The gradient represents the area where they come together and more or less coexist.  Think the "falling asleep" phase of sleeping.

Within this plot, imagine a jelly bean shape such that it extends mostly below the gradient, but some of it is above it.  Now elongate that shape and straighten it such that it is too thin and straight to be a jelly bean.  Now you have some sort of two dimensional visual representation of a very simplified representation of what I am talking about.

I don't know if this fully answers your question or not, but if not, please ask for what I did not get.

Hope things are going well for you.

I think I get the jist of it then. I would ask then can the ego become a point of resistance to the subs then? The way some people talk about it it almost like the ego has the potential to be so dogmatic about how it sees itself and "reality" that anything that contradicts that reality is highly resisted. Perhaps this is the subconscious side of the ego if that is true?

Under certain circumstances, it can become a point of resistance.

Quote:@Shannon  Also I'm doing well. I'm not currently in China but the US. Was on vacation in the Philippines when the outbreak broke out so I couldn't return to China. Eventually it was too expensive to stay put in the Philippines (The school cut my paycheck by 80% last paycheck because of not being open) so I decided to return here since China is currently barring foreigners from enter. Main reason being that they got the thing under control but then when foreigners started coming back they noticed they started bringing the infection back with them. 

Or that's what they're saying.  I wouldn't have a hard time believing that it's just as much a resurgence of existing infections that went undetected.

Quote:My results with DMSI were ok the last time I talked about them. Met that super hot chick with nice body in Malaysia. Could have really gotten with her but I noticed one glaring problem (probably something related to what you mentioned in someone else journal recently): She was absolutely boring. She was very hot and a nice person (Bought me food and stuff) but she had no personality whatsoever. Was just really quiet and didn't do much. On her days off all she did was do chores and watch Korean dramas. That's it. Wasn't big on conversation either. I guess this kind of attitude of she is hot and she doesn't have to develop any other side of herself. I do admit I messed up as well getting mad about something early on but didn't change the other facts of the matter. Think that is the best DMSI has done for me as far as manifesting such a women. Probably the hottest women I had gotten with in my life so far. Can only guess how any future version of DMSI might work.

DMSI is designed to attract the women you find most sexually attractive.  It doesn't care if they're boring.  The point is to attract the ones you are sexually attracted to, and have sex with them if you want to.  In which case, it would seem to have done its job.

(05-05-2020, 06:53 PM)KingDavid93 Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon

Hi,

Out of curiosity what are you currently using yourself?

Right now I am using Life Tune-Up 5.  Need to keep from getting depressed with all the time being stuck indoors because of the lockdown, leaving me few to no options for anything to do outside the house.

Quote:And with regards to MIR 3.0- if you are using it to target any latent infections or other infections that you carry but don’t have any blatant symptoms how long should you be using it for that effect and how do you know when to stop/when any latent infections have been taken care of?

Doesn't it detail that in the instructions for that program?

(05-06-2020, 12:10 AM)guyinlahore Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Shannon

I noticed that you changed the instructions for UMS
"Use this program 2 loops per day for 3 days on and then take 5 days off."

Previously this was open for everyone to use as they feel or guided by it. Does this mean this is now the final recommended usage? I just used this pattern and I had strong urge to use it after 4 days gap.

That is the final recommended usage pattern.  The initial open pattern was designed to quickly show me how well AutoConfig works.  It seems to have only led to conflusion, so I changed it to something more specific.  In general, if you want to use it more, that is likely to be AutoConfig doing it's job, and you should follow those urges.

(05-06-2020, 12:31 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, could you give example of a time when you had use of the leadership training from AM and how it helped you?

A lot of what I would talk about has to do with having it transition me from refusing to allow myself to be led by my girlfriend, and leading her instead.  At that time, I was dating a model, not the hottest woman I ever dated, but she looked like Gabriel Union.  This woman was strong willed and used to getting her way through sex, manipulation, lies and whatever else it took to achieve, but she was also really good at self deception, so I couldn't tell when she was lying for the first year of our relationship because she genuinely believed her own lies.

When the dam broke, I was in a bad place emotionally.  I had a situation I could not accept (cheating, being lied to, etc.) forcing me to deal with a fear I could not face (being alone).  I remember one day before she came home from work realizing in no uncertain terms that I had to give her an ultimatum: stop cheating and get serious, or get out of my life.  That scared the hell out of me, and while I was taking a shower I remember I broke down crying out of fear of her walking out.  The only reason I had the courage to actually stand up with no tears and genuinely deliver that ultimatum without flinching was Alpha Male.  

She walked in that door and I hit her with it like a lead brick, drill sergeant style.  No fear, no hesitation, nothing but my way or the highway.  Looking back, had I been further along in my development, I would simply have told her that she blew it, and get out.  But for me to go from so terrified of being alone that I would let a woman do anything she wanted to me and behind my back, to giving an ultimatum without hesitation was a huge change for me.

She bent to my will.  Unfortunately, she was the type who loved a strong man, but would never stop trying to test, push boundaries and get away with shit, and it wasn't long before she was back at it.  Lying, cheating, stealing, drugs, etc.  That second move was even harder, but I did kick her out.  

You might be asking yourself, "How does this apply to leadership?"  Well I was, for the first time in my life, leading myself through and past my biggest fears, and that took a lot of leadership.

Later on, we tried to get back together (because I was being willfully delusional) but she kept doing it, and even after she stopped, the fallout was just too much.  And I ended it for good, another very difficult thing to do, because some part of me was willing to do and accept and believe anything to keep her.  I think part of that was that she had some sort of way of manipulating my emotions and sex drive that I didn't understand for a long time.

So the AM leadership training got me this beautiful girlfriend who loved sex like she loved to breathe, and got me out of that relationship with her when I would not have had the strength or will to otherwise.  Without AM, I firmly believe that I would have ended up either dead or in prison as a result of that relationship.  As it turned out, I was fine, and she ended up in prison.  (And for something incredibly stupid, too, which you would never guess in a million years unless you knew she was an active alcoholic at the time.  Which, somehow, I hadn't figured out.)