Subliminal Talk

(07-19-2020, 10:59 PM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon I think I will have to stop OF and start MHS, as some physical conditions have got worse now.
I am planning to listen it alongside with DRS and than get back to OF as soon as possible, just tell me in your opinion, how long break should I take in between?

Before I answer your question, I will ask some of my own.

Why do you think the physical conditions have gotten worse?  Is this just coincidence, or is some part of you trying to give you "reasons" to switch, or trying to make you miserable enough to switch (threats)?  Is this running away?  

If your conditions have worsened for reasons other than using OF, then it would seem reasonable to use MHS to try to help them.  But if they're suddenly getting worse because your subconscious is trying to disincentivize you to use OF and instead encourage you to use something else, I think it is wiser to simply find a different usage pattern and keep going with OF.

In my case, I have been met with overwhelming exhaustion.  So I lowered the volume slightly.  I could also have switched formats, changed the number of loops per day, days on, days off... but I'm trying to follow the instructions and still change variables to make this possible.  So I changed the volume by lowering it a little bit.

If this is an effort to get you to switch programs, ask yourself: are you looking at having those physical conditions as a result of some part of your subconscious causing them for some reason that is completely illogical?  If they are caused by your own subconscious, why?  Them getting worse, in what appears (given my limited information here) to be a reaction to OF, trying to get you to stop using it, suggests that they may exist in the first place as a result of some part of you attempting to prevent or avoid something, even before using OF.  Them getting worse (if it is in response to OF) hints that they may be a way to avoid something you fear, and as such are being made worse by the part of you that generated them in the first place, again, to avoid something feared.

If that is the case, then is it really going to be a good idea to switch?  Or would you be better staying the course and getting rid of the fear that us behind them?

Of course I'm asking questions because I don't have enough information to judge.  But I want you to consider these possibilities before you switch to something else.  When the going gets tough, those who run away don't achieve the goals.  Make sure you're not just running away.

@Shannon

Is frm 4.9 like e3 in the sense that it is a more gentle approach to getting rid of fears- or is it more reminiscent of how you’d like to create e4 to be which you’ve stated you’d like to make more aggressive yet safe...

(07-20-2020, 10:05 AM)KingDavid93 Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon

Is  frm 4.9 like e3 in the sense that it is a more gentle approach to getting rid of fears- or is it more reminiscent of how you’d like to create e4 to be which you’ve stated you’d like to make more aggressive yet safe...

FRM 4.9 is neither trying to be gentle, nor trying to be aggressive.  It is trying to achieve its goals, and do whatever it takes to successfully and safely accomplish that goal.  If that means throttling up, it will throttle up.  If that means throttling down, it will throttle down.  But the usage patterns will determine a large part of how "aggressive" its approach is.  

The goal is to get rid of fears.  All parts of the fear, and all fears.  To do this, it must not just play better strategies than fear does, but it must do so more efficiently, faster, more effectively, and it must prevent the fear from generating new fears, regenerating fears that have been removed, and finding ways to remove the fears without triggering them in ways that make them dominate.

Too aggressive, and you trigger the fears the wrong way.  Too gentle, and the fears aren't dealt with sufficiently, quickly enough, or just enough in general.  Not only does the approach have to be based on incredible strategy, it has to balance exactly right, and it has to do that for every person using it.

The biggest issue we will have with OF is people trying to give up out of fear, instead of trying to find the right balance points to make it work.  This one is going to be very important to use according to the specified directions, I think, and then find the ideal format and volume instead of messing with the days on, days off and loops per day.

@Shannon

Thanks that’s good to know

With regards to nail biting- since it’s a habit that I’ve held onto for such a long time can it be surmised that it’s been fear(s) that I’ve been holding onto all this time (since a young age) that has led to stress/anxiety/nervousness, etc thus manifesting as a symptom a la nail biting among other things?

(07-20-2020, 10:24 AM)KingDavid93 Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon

Thanks that’s good to know

With regards to nail biting- since it’s a habit that I’ve held onto for such a long time can it be surmised that it’s been fear(s) that I’ve been holding onto all this time (since a young age) that has led to stress/anxiety/nervousness, etc thus manifesting as a symptom a la nail biting among other things?

The nail biting isn't really a habit so much as a learned coping mechanism for dealing with fears.  So as long as it is present, it will be indicative that whatever fear or fears underlie and trigger it are still present.  The fear is being held on to, or persisting; the nail biting is just a symptom of that fear, and you trying to deal with it.

(07-20-2020, 11:10 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2020, 10:24 AM)KingDavid93 Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon

Thanks that’s good to know

With regards to nail biting- since it’s a habit that I’ve held onto for such a long time can it be surmised that it’s been fear(s) that I’ve been holding onto all this time (since a young age) that has led to stress/anxiety/nervousness, etc thus manifesting as a symptom a la nail biting among other things?

The nail biting isn't really a habit so much as a learned coping mechanism for dealing with fears.  So as long as it is present, it will be indicative that whatever fear or fears underlie and trigger it are still present.  The fear is being held on to, or persisting; the nail biting is just a symptom of that fear, and you trying to deal with it.

Very interesting stuff that is good to know 

I guess that’s why there’s been a significant reduction in nail biting during my days on

(07-20-2020, 11:28 AM)KingDavid93 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2020, 11:10 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2020, 10:24 AM)KingDavid93 Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon

Thanks that’s good to know

With regards to nail biting- since it’s a habit that I’ve held onto for such a long time can it be surmised that it’s been fear(s) that I’ve been holding onto all this time (since a young age) that has led to stress/anxiety/nervousness, etc thus manifesting as a symptom a la nail biting among other things?

The nail biting isn't really a habit so much as a learned coping mechanism for dealing with fears.  So as long as it is present, it will be indicative that whatever fear or fears underlie and trigger it are still present.  The fear is being held on to, or persisting; the nail biting is just a symptom of that fear, and you trying to deal with it.

Very interesting stuff that is good to know 

I guess that’s why there’s been a significant reduction in nail biting during my days on

That would be the reason why, yes.  Over time, your nail biting should eventually cease during your days on, and then over more time, cease during your days on and your days off.

Another isolated data point for you, Shannon, regarding OF 5.75G:

Today is day 30 for me. I followed my gut feeling at the end of the first cycle and kept using the program on the off-days. I haven't stopped since then and am using OF for 6 loops every day. Hybrid trickling stream, FLAC, reasonably loud (smartphone hooked up to my audio system with fairly good speakers). Both, night-time and/or day-time use.

I don't experience exhaustion. On the contrary, I need less sleep and have more energy. I execute quite well, no resistance of any kind. I am shedding tons of body armor (in the sense of Wilhelm Reich) through extensive body work. This is in direct succession to the work I began doing while on LTU 5, but takes it to a whole new level.

You created something very interesting and powerful with OF and I am looking very much forward to the integration of FRM 4.9 into LTU 6.

Very interesting.

(07-20-2020, 12:40 PM)Raz Wrote: [ -> ]Another isolated data point for you, Shannon, regarding OF 5.75G:

Today is day 30 for me. I followed my gut feeling at the end of the first cycle and kept using the program on the off-days. I haven't stopped since then and am using OF for 6 loops every day. Hybrid trickling stream, FLAC, reasonably loud (smartphone hooked up to my audio system with fairly good speakers). Both, night-time and/or day-time use.

I don't experience exhaustion. On the contrary, I need less sleep and have more energy. I execute quite well, no resistance of any kind. I am shedding tons of body armor (in the sense of Wilhelm Reich) through extensive body work. This is in direct succession to the work I began doing while on LTU 5, but takes it to a whole new level.

You created something very interesting and powerful with OF and I am looking very much forward to the integration of FRM 4.9 into LTU 6.

 Wow Man.,thats purdy dang impressive to say da least....almost if not profound in fact. day and night, every day. wow. encouraging.   check out re-birthing and related  deep connect circular breathing...wonderful addition to healing and releasing stored tension in the body,via the emotional releases and eneregetically. me thinks you're already there though from the 'sound' of your writtings. thnks again. IM seriously considering an OF purchase  in a couple of days,on Wednesday afternoon. more Power to ya Powerful One. Keith

(07-20-2020, 01:18 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: [ -> ] Wow Man.,thats purdy dang impressive to say da least....almost if not profound in fact. day and night, every day. wow. encouraging.   check out re-birthing and related  deep connect circular breathing...wonderful addition to healing and releasing stored tension in the body,via the emotional releases and eneregetically. me thinks you're already there though from the 'sound' of your writtings. thnks again. IM seriously considering an OF purchase  in a couple of days,on Wednesday afternoon. more Power to ya Powerful One. Keith

Thank you Keith. Just following my own intuition, hand in hand with my superconsciousness, along the merry path of my existence. Circular breathing sounds intriguing. Fitting that you mention it, since I am on the last pages of Breath by James Nestor.

Go for OF. This one is truly amazing!

(07-20-2020, 09:43 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-19-2020, 10:59 PM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon I think I will have to stop OF and start MHS, as some physical conditions have got worse now.
I am planning to listen it alongside with DRS and than get back to OF as soon as possible, just tell me in your opinion, how long break should I take in between?

Before I answer your question, I will ask some of my own.

Why do you think the physical conditions have gotten worse?  Is this just coincidence, or is some part of you trying to give you "reasons" to switch, or trying to make you miserable enough to switch (threats)?  Is this running away?  

If your conditions have worsened for reasons other than using OF, then it would seem reasonable to use MHS to try to help them.  But if they're suddenly getting worse because your subconscious is trying to disincentivize you to use OF and instead encourage you to use something else, I think it is wiser to simply find a different usage pattern and keep going with OF.

In my case, I have been met with overwhelming exhaustion.  So I lowered the volume slightly.  I could also have switched formats, changed the number of loops per day, days on, days off... but I'm trying to follow the instructions and still change variables to make this possible.  So I changed the volume by lowering it a little bit.

If this is an effort to get you to switch programs, ask yourself: are you looking at having those physical conditions as a result of some part of your subconscious causing them for some reason that is completely illogical?  If they are caused by your own subconscious, why?  Them getting worse, in what appears (given my limited information here) to be a reaction to OF, trying to get you to stop using it, suggests that they may exist in the first place as a result of some part of you attempting to prevent or avoid something, even before using OF.  Them getting worse (if it is in response to OF) hints that they may be a way to avoid something you fear, and as such are being made worse by the part of you that generated them in the first place, again, to avoid something feared.

If that is the case, then is it really going to be a good idea to switch?  Or would you be better staying the course and getting rid of the fear that us behind them?

Of course I'm asking questions because I don't have enough information to judge.  But I want you to consider these possibilities before you switch to something else.  When the going gets tough, those who run away don't achieve the goals.  Make sure you're not just running away.

Well, this inflammation I have, started a few months ago before OF was even made, and when buying OF I hesitated if to buy OF or to buy MHS, but still went with OF (cause I have problems with some unaddressable fears and would like to get rid of them and I thought the inflammation was not that severe), now all of this seems to me like a really heavy physical detoxing (I did not meet this kind of heavy detoxing before) which in turn triggered inflammation, so you can imagine the rest of the story.

I do not think it is fear based,but to be 100% sure that it is not resistance I would need to stop OF and see for myself if the condition improves, but I will not experiment in that way, I would rather experiment with the listening schedule of OF and do two weeks without off days.

And I would definitely say that I am executing  


One more thing that I wanted to mention is that, It seems to me that previous programming is still "recorded" somewhere in the subconscious but was not executing , and it seems that OF unblocked some of previous programming, I noticed it last week, but can not remember exactly what, I was and still am amazed how well OF works.




so... @Shannon your thoughts on this, and please, your answer to my original question.

(07-20-2020, 01:39 PM)Raz Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-20-2020, 01:18 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: [ -> ] Wow Man.,thats purdy dang impressive to say da least....almost if not profound in fact. day and night, every day. wow. encouraging.   check out re-birthing and related  deep connect circular breathing...wonderful addition to healing and releasing stored tension in the body,via the emotional releases and eneregetically. me thinks you're already there though from the 'sound' of your writtings. thnks again. IM seriously considering an OF purchase  in a couple of days,on Wednesday afternoon. more Power to ya Powerful One. Keith

Thank you Keith. Just following my own intuition, hand in hand with my superconsciousness, along the merry path of my existence. Circular breathing sounds intriguing. Fitting that you mention it, since I am on the last pages of Breath by James Nestor.

Go for OF. This one is truly amazing!

Saw him on Joe Rogan podcast! Fascinating stuff.

Was looking to get the book...how was it?

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