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(05-19-2020, 10:24 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-19-2020, 07:02 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-18-2020, 08:52 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon's quote "UMS2 and LTU6 are both going to be built in 6+1 stage format. No boredom possible. Smile"

Me" Wow , so 250 thousand dollars for UMS2 and da 1/2 a Million dollars for LTU   in 6 stages ;plus 1, Sets !!???
how do ya make money is ya dont have it to make more,or purchases like these???  It is inspiring I admit that UMS2 and LTU6 will be in 7 stages. Wow whaddah surprise.

These are likely to be built while $114.95 a stage is still necessary.  And they will be made available on a stage by stage basis.

Hey Shannon, how do you mean they will be made available on stage by stage basis? Is it like AM, SM or WM like "it is 6 stages long and you have to use the program like this" or is it different this time? I have in mind that we could use the "first level" of LTU 1-3 months and then the next level of LTU for 1-3 months. 
With level I mean like there is a basic level (close to the current version, I call it here LTU-B), then another level that goes more into the direction of Learning(LTU-L), then another level that goes more in the direction of money(LTU-M), etc. But for each change you have to listen to the basic level before again.

To give an example:
I don't have much money and listen to the LTU-B for 3 months. Then I decide I want to get more learning abilities, so after 3 months on LTU-B I saved enough money to go for LTU-L. After 3 months I have to go back to the LTU-B, otherwise the subconscious could get bored. Then I do another round of LTU-L for 3 months. After that I want to try out the money-one, so I have to use LTU-B first for 3 months and then can go to LTU-M.
There is a lot of options with just a little change or addition to LTU. A more creative level, a healing/calming/stressless level, a level for intense gratitude and happiness, a level for more sport and fitness.

I know there is already different programs but I would guess that a lot of LTU5 customers would like to still continue with the benefits of it and have a slight addition. Of course you can't sell LTU-L or LTU-M without first selling the LTU-B to that customer. Maybe you can let it run for the first 6 months just for longer customers that are used to the usage pattern.

Does this sound interesting to all of you IML-customers?

I like that the program is a "everything you need" and feel that LTU5 have guided me toward what I need by progression. I don't like having to switch between different LTU-versions depending on my focus. I want a general Life tune up from running it, and that the program help me focus on the things that will make me achieve the overarching goals. Don't know how to solve it while you need to have different versions however - for me this don't seem to be a problem running the same program for over a year and still getting results (even more than in the beginning...)
But how would you see a multi stage LTU for the future? As Shannon said the current one might lead to boredom of the subconscious for some people, so the next LTU will be a multi stage.
(05-19-2020, 07:02 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-18-2020, 08:52 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon's quote "UMS2 and LTU6 are both going to be built in 6+1 stage format. No boredom possible. Smile"

Me" Wow , so 250 thousand dollars for UMS2 and da 1/2 a Million dollars for LTU   in 6 stages ;plus 1, Sets !!???
how do ya make money is ya dont have it to make more,or purchases like these???  It is inspiring I admit that UMS2 and LTU6 will be in 7 stages. Wow whaddah surprise.

These are likely to be built while $114.95 a stage is still necessary.  And they will be made available on a stage by stage basis.



 Wow that is sooo wonderful and comforting to Me,because its within reach,its do-able.... thank you for the update,clarification on all of that,Shannon! #2) I take it each stage will have FRM v4.9, in them? Talk about a knock it outta da park Mickey Mantel run! Wow!! 6 stages and da Bonus 'refresher',dayumm I Love it !! UMS2!! Yes!! do-able!! MY Guess is that each stage would run 6 weeks to 2 months,then move on to the next one. a total of 12 months,plus,again the refresher + #7 yahhh-hooo!!
(05-19-2020, 02:29 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-19-2020, 11:02 AM)Hanpan Wrote: [ -> ]Excellent!

I hope you have the time to give me feedback on an additional question. I’ll try not to be too long-winded.

Around a week ago I asked you about a new version of ARA, since I’m starting on a new job on 1/6. I don’t have any anxiety condition and I don’t think that I experience above-average nervousness, but I do get stressed from time to time, which I believe most lawyers do, especially when I’m involved in larger and more hectic transactions.  Furthermore, I really enjoyed the chill way that ARA made me feel

I’ve totally forgot that Tranq A existed, so based on my description above, do you believe that Trans A would help me in a way that would allow me to keep on using LTU (or the new overcoming fear sub) instead of switching to ARA? Furthermore, do you expect to update Tranq A simultaneously with publishing Tranq B, or is that a separate project?  

Thanks a lot in advance – your answers are always appreciated.

Tranquilizer A is not something I have used a lot, because even though I created it specifically to allow me to keep working if I am upset, it consistently un-did the motivational effects of UMS.  So I really don't have a lot of experience with it.

If you're trying to calm down from being upset, angry, frustrated, Tranquilizer A is a good choice.  If you're trying to stay motivated to work, ARA is a good choice.  If you have Tranqulizer A, you can give it a shot for your personal needs and verify, but generally it is designed to create a Zen state of inner peace that results in stillness, not necessarily action.

Tranquilizer B will take advantage of this to induce sleep.

Makes sense! Would you say that Tranquilizer A makes you less motivated or does it just do "nothing" regarding your productivity? 

The product page states that " This is not intended to be used alongside any subliminal that will contradict the states it produces, or alongside more than one (1) other subliminal."

I then assume that it would be ok to use together with LTU5. Will Tranquilizer A be updated along with the release of Tranquilizer B, or is that a separate project?
(05-19-2020, 11:18 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]But how would you see a multi stage LTU for the future? As Shannon said the current one might lead to boredom of the subconscious for some people, so the next LTU will be a multi stage.

Don't know man, I don't know how Shannon even divide up AM6 so it's hard to say how those work. 

Curious though - we who don't seem to need a multi stage version but are fine with just one stage - will we be able to just buy and use only "the refresher"?

And I really hope that ARA gets added to LTU6, even if it results in loosing some other module.
(05-19-2020, 10:24 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-19-2020, 07:02 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-18-2020, 08:52 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon's quote "UMS2 and LTU6 are both going to be built in 6+1 stage format. No boredom possible. Smile"

Me" Wow , so 250 thousand dollars for UMS2 and da 1/2 a Million dollars for LTU   in 6 stages ;plus 1, Sets !!???
how do ya make money is ya dont have it to make more,or purchases like these???  It is inspiring I admit that UMS2 and LTU6 will be in 7 stages. Wow whaddah surprise.

These are likely to be built while $114.95 a stage is still necessary.  And they will be made available on a stage by stage basis.

Hey Shannon, how do you mean they will be made available on stage by stage basis? Is it like AM, SM or WM like "it is 6 stages long and you have to use the program like this" or is it different this time? I have in mind that we could use the "first level" of LTU 1-3 months and then the next level of LTU for 1-3 months. 
With level I mean like there is a basic level (close to the current version, I call it here LTU-B), then another level that goes more into the direction of Learning(LTU-L), then another level that goes more in the direction of money(LTU-M), etc. But for each change you have to listen to the basic level before again.

To give an example:
I don't have much money and listen to the LTU-B for 3 months. Then I decide I want to get more learning abilities, so after 3 months on LTU-B I saved enough money to go for LTU-L. After 3 months I have to go back to the LTU-B, otherwise the subconscious could get bored. Then I do another round of LTU-L for 3 months. After that I want to try out the money-one, so I have to use LTU-B first for 3 months and then can go to LTU-M.
There is a lot of options with just a little change or addition to LTU. A more creative level, a healing/calming/stressless level, a level for intense gratitude and happiness, a level for more sport and fitness.

I know there is already different programs but I would guess that a lot of LTU5 customers would like to still continue with the benefits of it and have a slight addition. Of course you can't sell LTU-L or LTU-M without first selling the LTU-B to that customer. Maybe you can let it run for the first 6 months just for longer customers that are used to the usage pattern.

Does this sound interesting to all of you IML-customers?

The way I am planning to do this is to do a 6 + 1 stage format a la AM6 because that allows us the most effective approach.  It gives us a 6 stage step-up for people who need it, and a refresher stage for after that.  It is more helpful for stepping you up to the all in one, and relieves any boredom along the way.  It gives the most benefit to the most number of people in the simplest approach.
(05-20-2020, 12:57 AM)Hanpan Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-19-2020, 02:29 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-19-2020, 11:02 AM)Hanpan Wrote: [ -> ]Excellent!

I hope you have the time to give me feedback on an additional question. I’ll try not to be too long-winded.

Around a week ago I asked you about a new version of ARA, since I’m starting on a new job on 1/6. I don’t have any anxiety condition and I don’t think that I experience above-average nervousness, but I do get stressed from time to time, which I believe most lawyers do, especially when I’m involved in larger and more hectic transactions.  Furthermore, I really enjoyed the chill way that ARA made me feel

I’ve totally forgot that Tranq A existed, so based on my description above, do you believe that Trans A would help me in a way that would allow me to keep on using LTU (or the new overcoming fear sub) instead of switching to ARA? Furthermore, do you expect to update Tranq A simultaneously with publishing Tranq B, or is that a separate project?  

Thanks a lot in advance – your answers are always appreciated.

Tranquilizer A is not something I have used a lot, because even though I created it specifically to allow me to keep working if I am upset, it consistently un-did the motivational effects of UMS.  So I really don't have a lot of experience with it.

If you're trying to calm down from being upset, angry, frustrated, Tranquilizer A is a good choice.  If you're trying to stay motivated to work, ARA is a good choice.  If you have Tranqulizer A, you can give it a shot for your personal needs and verify, but generally it is designed to create a Zen state of inner peace that results in stillness, not necessarily action.

Tranquilizer B will take advantage of this to induce sleep.

Makes sense! Would you say that Tranquilizer A makes you less motivated or does it just do "nothing" regarding your productivity?

It creates a state of tranquility.  In such state, action is naturally lessened because it results in less tranquility.  So while it was effective for calming me down and un-doing the anger/frustration reason why I wasn't productive, it did so by introducing a different one.

Quote:The product page states that " This is not intended to be used alongside any subliminal that will contradict the states it produces, or alongside more than one (1) other subliminal."

I then assume that it would be ok to use together with LTU5. Will Tranquilizer A be updated along with the release of Tranquilizer B, or is that a separate project?

LTU5 has 12 programs in it.  It's never a good idea to add on to that for long term use.  That's why I say... 1 loop a day of Tranquilizer B if you're using something else, max.  And probably not a good idea for every day even then.

Tranquilizer A will not be updated.
(05-20-2020, 03:11 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-19-2020, 11:18 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]But how would you see a multi stage LTU for the future? As Shannon said the current one might lead to boredom of the subconscious for some people, so the next LTU will be a multi stage.

Don't know man, I don't know how Shannon even divide up AM6 so it's hard to say how those work. 

Curious though - we who don't seem to need a multi stage version but are fine with just one stage - will we be able to just buy and use only "the refresher"?

And I really hope that ARA gets added to LTU6, even if it results in loosing some other module.

Here's my problem with "just buying the refresher".

We wouldn't have LTU6 coming out as a 6+1 stage set if that worked for everyone.  Inevitably you have someone who thinks, "I dun wanna do this for 6+ months! I'll just buy the all in one stage." or "I dun wanna pay for all of that!  I'll just buy the all in one stage." And then they discover the hard way that they needed the 6+1 stage because it doesn't work for them as an all in one, but they don't get it.  They don't want to then spend MORE money and MORE time to try again.  They only see "I bought this and it doesn't work, so I want my money back!"

Then we get into... "If you don't give me my money back, I'm going to slander you!" when really, the problem is that they didn't want to use it properly.  Makes us look bad because they were too cheap or lazy to use it properly, and takes money we earned out of our pockets because they did it wrong.  But there's no convincing them of that!  

Consequently, I will be forced to limit how you can get Stage 7, and how you can get a refund, in order to protect IML from the bad apples.  Most likely, Stage 7 will only be available as part of the all in one package, or by request if you can be verified to have purchased all six stages otherwise, and have had time to have used them properly.
A 7-stage LTU is awesome news IMO. Will each stage cover something different, or will the program be more powerful for each stage?
(05-20-2020, 09:13 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-20-2020, 03:11 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-19-2020, 11:18 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]But how would you see a multi stage LTU for the future? As Shannon said the current one might lead to boredom of the subconscious for some people, so the next LTU will be a multi stage.

Don't know man, I don't know how Shannon even divide up AM6 so it's hard to say how those work. 

Curious though - we who don't seem to need a multi stage version but are fine with just one stage - will we be able to just buy and use only "the refresher"?

And I really hope that ARA gets added to LTU6, even if it results in loosing some other module.

Here's my problem with "just buying the refresher".

We wouldn't have LTU6 coming out as a 6+1 stage set if that worked for everyone.  Inevitably you have someone who thinks, "I dun wanna do this for 6+ months! I'll just buy the all in one stage." or "I dun wanna pay for all of that!  I'll just buy the all in one stage." And then they discover the hard way that they needed the 6+1 stage because it doesn't work for them as an all in one, but they don't get it.  They don't want to then spend MORE money and MORE time to try again.  They only see "I bought this and it doesn't work, so I want my money back!"

Then we get into... "If you don't give me my money back, I'm going to slander you!" when really, the problem is that they didn't want to use it properly.  Makes us look bad because they were too cheap or lazy to use it properly, and takes money we earned out of our pockets because they did it wrong.  But there's no convincing them of that!  

Consequently, I will be forced to limit how you can get Stage 7, and how you can get a refund, in order to protect IML from the bad apples.  Most likely, Stage 7 will only be available as part of the all in one package, or by request if you can be verified to have purchased all six stages otherwise, and have had time to have used them properly.

Or better still...don't have a stage 7.

It only creates problems, for both parties I think. I don't see a way around that.

Better to keep things on rails, Shannon. Those kinds of programs require committment long term. If they don't wish to do that, the program isn't right for them and they'd just quit or whatever anyway. Stage 7 just creates the temptation for nothing but negative outcomes.
(05-20-2020, 09:28 AM)Hanpan Wrote: [ -> ]A 7-stage LTU is awesome news IMO. Will each stage cover something different, or will the program be more powerful for each stage?

Of course each stage will cover something different.  Otherwise, why have more than one stage?  Big Grin

Power level will be uniform.  The goal of the step up is to build a foundation, and then build steps to the goal on top of that foundation.
(05-20-2020, 09:30 AM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-20-2020, 09:13 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-20-2020, 03:11 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-19-2020, 11:18 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]But how would you see a multi stage LTU for the future? As Shannon said the current one might lead to boredom of the subconscious for some people, so the next LTU will be a multi stage.

Don't know man, I don't know how Shannon even divide up AM6 so it's hard to say how those work. 

Curious though - we who don't seem to need a multi stage version but are fine with just one stage - will we be able to just buy and use only "the refresher"?

And I really hope that ARA gets added to LTU6, even if it results in loosing some other module.

Here's my problem with "just buying the refresher".

We wouldn't have LTU6 coming out as a 6+1 stage set if that worked for everyone.  Inevitably you have someone who thinks, "I dun wanna do this for 6+ months! I'll just buy the all in one stage." or "I dun wanna pay for all of that!  I'll just buy the all in one stage." And then they discover the hard way that they needed the 6+1 stage because it doesn't work for them as an all in one, but they don't get it.  They don't want to then spend MORE money and MORE time to try again.  They only see "I bought this and it doesn't work, so I want my money back!"

Then we get into... "If you don't give me my money back, I'm going to slander you!" when really, the problem is that they didn't want to use it properly.  Makes us look bad because they were too cheap or lazy to use it properly, and takes money we earned out of our pockets because they did it wrong.  But there's no convincing them of that!  

Consequently, I will be forced to limit how you can get Stage 7, and how you can get a refund, in order to protect IML from the bad apples.  Most likely, Stage 7 will only be available as part of the all in one package, or by request if you can be verified to have purchased all six stages otherwise, and have had time to have used them properly.

Or better still...don't have a stage 7.

It only creates problems, for both parties I think. I don't see a way around that.

Better to keep things on rails, Shannon. Those kinds of programs require committment long term. If they don't wish to do that, the program isn't right for them and they'd just quit or whatever anyway. Stage 7 just creates the temptation for nothing but negative outcomes.

That is also something I have been seriously considering.  It would make things more difficult in some ways to do that, and solve a lot of problems, too.  I suppose we shall see when the time comes.
Maybe you have to tell the story different. Like LTU is then not a 6+1 stage program but a 7 stage program so they also need the 7th stage but this they can run longer for up to 3 months. If you tell it is a refresher stage and "all in one" then people tend to try the shortcut. Or just let the refresher appear in their downloads 6 months after the purchase. Or no refresher at all as already pointed out.

Also I would not recommend to sell them in separate stages even if people start hating that opinion because in stages it would be more affordable. With buying in stages it is more likely that you run out of money before you can continue with the next stage. In that case I would point to LTU 3.1 and say "this one is available for a lower price, you can use that one until you can afford the big one. Don't try to take a short cut, take the way that leads to true success and true development."
(05-20-2020, 09:13 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-20-2020, 03:11 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]
(05-19-2020, 11:18 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]But how would you see a multi stage LTU for the future? As Shannon said the current one might lead to boredom of the subconscious for some people, so the next LTU will be a multi stage.

Don't know man, I don't know how Shannon even divide up AM6 so it's hard to say how those work. 

Curious though - we who don't seem to need a multi stage version but are fine with just one stage - will we be able to just buy and use only "the refresher"?

And I really hope that ARA gets added to LTU6, even if it results in loosing some other module.

Here's my problem with "just buying the refresher".

We wouldn't have LTU6 coming out as a 6+1 stage set if that worked for everyone.  Inevitably you have someone who thinks, "I dun wanna do this for 6+ months! I'll just buy the all in one stage." or "I dun wanna pay for all of that!  I'll just buy the all in one stage." And then they discover the hard way that they needed the 6+1 stage because it doesn't work for them as an all in one, but they don't get it.  They don't want to then spend MORE money and MORE time to try again.  They only see "I bought this and it doesn't work, so I want my money back!"

Then we get into... "If you don't give me my money back, I'm going to slander you!" when really, the problem is that they didn't want to use it properly.  Makes us look bad because they were too cheap or lazy to use it properly, and takes money we earned out of our pockets because they did it wrong.  But there's no convincing them of that!  

Consequently, I will be forced to limit how you can get Stage 7, and how you can get a refund, in order to protect IML from the bad apples.  Most likely, Stage 7 will only be available as part of the all in one package, or by request if you can be verified to have purchased all six stages otherwise, and have had time to have used them properly.

Alright - so that means that the six stage LTU will not only overcome the "being bored" effect but also be a more comprehensive program in total.

And I really hope you don't make it as AM which you HAD to follow the 32 days per stage, I couldn't make it and it therefore i turned to LTU. Hope that you make it in a way that you can choose how long time you run each stage so you can switch when you feel that you are ready for the next step.
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