(05-20-2020, 04:57 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020, 02:52 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]How come suddenly now it's 'too hard' to listen to 32 days a stage? Or even listen for something 8+ hours?
When I first come to the forum we were all doing that, no complaints, no 'oh this is too hard' we just did it. I did AM6 twice and never had an issue, neither did tons of other people. But now it's apparently a criticism of Shannon's design. 
LTU is almost the same amount of listening (7 hours, and yes 2 days off but not far off) with AM6 you simply listen to a stage for 32 days, and switch over to the next stage. It's not that difficult.
I don't really like the idea of getting rid of Stage 7. I haven't used any Stage 7's but i've read people who have used AM6 a few times then used Stage 7 and it's been very beneficial for them after that. Maybe something like don't bundle Stage 7 when they buy it, but when they have proof they have done Stage 1-6 properly then we can set the up with stage 7.
Seriously!!!
Back in MY day...we had 4G and 5G...and I listened often up to 21 hours per day...vastly changing my routine to max the sub usage...uphill...barefeet...in the snow...both ways...blah blah.
#BoomerUser
Being a single man, or knowing subs with limiter couldn't affect partners or children, listening for multiple hours per day wouldn't be a problem at all. For me now, it would come down to how long I had to wear headphones or earbuds. It becomes quite uncomfortable after awhile. I don't mind listening while sleeping, at all, but I "lost" my second pair of Cozyphones recently (seriously, two pairs I can't find in my whole frickin' house), and listening through big-ass Sennheisers all night hurts. Anyway, time isn't an issue, really, but there are certain situations where it's a PITA.
(05-20-2020, 04:40 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020, 01:16 PM)tolgaocal80 Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon I want to ask, Is there any possibilty my AM programming erased(or overwrited) by a 5.5G sub (SE) , when I start it 2 weeks after my finished AM run?
my primary goal is soliding AM programming. What you would suggest me, Should I do AM or SE right now?
I am asking it because if there wouldn't be a problem, I want a break from long hours of listening ocean track of AM.
SE is much lesser.
There's no overwriting or erasing, but there will be a shift of focus. In this case, SE can potentially help AM6 achieve it's goals, so there's no issue taking a break from AM to run SE and then eventually going back.
thanks for your time and suggestions.
I want to say something for those of you who, complain about "using properly IML subliminals" , As Shannon said
There are two type producing type out there who produce for HAVING FUN, and IML for WORKING SUBLIMINALs. I dont want to discuss this but There are youtube sh*ts out there, and they saying "listen whatever time and how you want ".
Now, when you go to a doctor, He gives you a drug prescription and say you, USE IT EXACTLY HOW I SAY, because that is how it is working, no other ways. With the development of the pharmaceutical industry and raw materials, the period of use is decreasing. that is how I see.
But of course we all want lesser listening time but keeping it effective and working.
(05-20-2020, 02:21 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020, 12:41 PM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]Alright - so that means that the six stage LTU will not only overcome the "being bored" effect but also be a more comprehensive program in total.
It will prevent boredom, and make the program able to approach achieving it's goals in a significantly better way.
Quote:And I really hope you don't make it as AM which you HAD to follow the 32 days per stage, I couldn't make it and it therefore i turned to LTU. Hope that you make it in a way that you can choose how long time you run each stage so you can switch when you feel that you are ready for the next step.
Ah, here lies the rub. That is exactly what I had planned, because that design works.
There are two design philosophies that currently dominate the subliminal world. There is mine, and there is the one preferred by some of our competitors. Mine says, if you want the goal to be achieved, you design the product to achieve it, and then design the usage patterns to achieve it. The other one says, "You have the right to use the programs however and in whichever combination and numbers you want! So have fun."
It is my contention that if you want to achieve the goals of the program, and especially when they are as complex and demanding as LTU is, you will design and use them according to what achieves their goals. That is what I do, and that is what I have always done.
So my job is to design the programs to achieve their goals, and your job is to use them in the ways that achieve the results. If you can't make it, should I then make the programs so that they work for you, but achieve inferior results for everyone else? Remember, the whole reason for us going from a monolithic single stage LTU to a six stage set is because the monolithic didn't work for a lot of people because it was attempting to do everything in one stage.
I would say that you "not making it" on AM6 is not an issue with the program, or its design, but the person using it either not having the self control to use it properly, or not wanting to achieve the program's goals.
At present, the most likely design will be a 6 stage format, or a 6+1 stage format. If it includes an "all in one", that would necessitate that I do all sorts of tricks to prevent people from just using the all in one format and then demanding a refund if it doesn't work for them, even if they didn't use it according to the instructions. I'm tired of having to do that, which is a big part of why it will be built in stages this time, instead of as a single stage. We had a small but significant number of people buy LTU5, and then quickly discover that it was asking them to do things that apparently scared the hell out of them. Instead of just trying different ways of using it, they then either didn't finish using it, or didn't use it properly, and demanded a refund, even though they were not following policy to be eligible for one. This resulted in some chargebacks, and then those people being fired as customers. (Banned from the forum and the store.)
Now had LTU5 been built as a 6 or 6+1 stage set, those people could have been stepped up to the goals, and they would have been much less likely to have ended up being banned by us for refusing to follow our refund policy and forcing the issue after not using the program properly in the first place, because all in one was apparently too scary for them. Meanwhile, we had to deal with their abusive behavior and lose not only their payment, but the paypal fees, meaning we effectively paid them to buy our program.
I'm not going to keep doing that.
So... since we are forced into this corner by a few bad actors... this is how it will be. We have to do the things that protect us as well as best serve our customers. If that is not satisfactory for you, I can only suggest you keep using LTU5.
I understand your difficulties but there are some things I don't agree with your about.
Such as: a failure to carry out AM being your own "fault" - that's not nessesarily true. If you are in a position, which is was, where running AM make you have constant suicidal thoughts and you have to quit it not to take your own life - that type of resistance cannot, and shouldn't, be something that the individual should try to overcome, as the risk of getting even deeper into it and risking taking his own life. The only fault the individual has done however, have been to run the program in the first place.
A individual in that kind of position, would be better off running LTU. I can say that because I know that I worked. LTU helped to take me from being miserable and repairing myself in about one year. And it worked because I could do the journey in my own time and as I saw fit, if it would have put to much pressure on me I would have got to the same place as AM took me.
So if you design AM with a "initial stage" that can prepare you for the journey and lay the foundation - that can be run at a chosen period of time depending on the individual and how much time they need to do "ground work" - maybe the same can be done with LTU. I'm not sure that I'm ready to take on a "pre designed development plan" but still need to take things in my own time - but still would love to take part of the new technology in LTU6 - why I'm argumenting for a having a first stage which can be used as a preparation for as how long the individual feels he need it.
And regarding refunds - then the individual must have progressed from this stage and have run the whole program - which he will if "stage 1" is designed correctly and make him know when he is ready to progress to take on the rest of the journey.
(05-21-2020, 12:31 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020, 02:21 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020, 12:41 PM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]Alright - so that means that the six stage LTU will not only overcome the "being bored" effect but also be a more comprehensive program in total.
It will prevent boredom, and make the program able to approach achieving it's goals in a significantly better way.
Quote:And I really hope you don't make it as AM which you HAD to follow the 32 days per stage, I couldn't make it and it therefore i turned to LTU. Hope that you make it in a way that you can choose how long time you run each stage so you can switch when you feel that you are ready for the next step.
Ah, here lies the rub. That is exactly what I had planned, because that design works.
There are two design philosophies that currently dominate the subliminal world. There is mine, and there is the one preferred by some of our competitors. Mine says, if you want the goal to be achieved, you design the product to achieve it, and then design the usage patterns to achieve it. The other one says, "You have the right to use the programs however and in whichever combination and numbers you want! So have fun."
It is my contention that if you want to achieve the goals of the program, and especially when they are as complex and demanding as LTU is, you will design and use them according to what achieves their goals. That is what I do, and that is what I have always done.
So my job is to design the programs to achieve their goals, and your job is to use them in the ways that achieve the results. If you can't make it, should I then make the programs so that they work for you, but achieve inferior results for everyone else? Remember, the whole reason for us going from a monolithic single stage LTU to a six stage set is because the monolithic didn't work for a lot of people because it was attempting to do everything in one stage.
I would say that you "not making it" on AM6 is not an issue with the program, or its design, but the person using it either not having the self control to use it properly, or not wanting to achieve the program's goals.
At present, the most likely design will be a 6 stage format, or a 6+1 stage format. If it includes an "all in one", that would necessitate that I do all sorts of tricks to prevent people from just using the all in one format and then demanding a refund if it doesn't work for them, even if they didn't use it according to the instructions. I'm tired of having to do that, which is a big part of why it will be built in stages this time, instead of as a single stage. We had a small but significant number of people buy LTU5, and then quickly discover that it was asking them to do things that apparently scared the hell out of them. Instead of just trying different ways of using it, they then either didn't finish using it, or didn't use it properly, and demanded a refund, even though they were not following policy to be eligible for one. This resulted in some chargebacks, and then those people being fired as customers. (Banned from the forum and the store.)
Now had LTU5 been built as a 6 or 6+1 stage set, those people could have been stepped up to the goals, and they would have been much less likely to have ended up being banned by us for refusing to follow our refund policy and forcing the issue after not using the program properly in the first place, because all in one was apparently too scary for them. Meanwhile, we had to deal with their abusive behavior and lose not only their payment, but the paypal fees, meaning we effectively paid them to buy our program.
I'm not going to keep doing that.
So... since we are forced into this corner by a few bad actors... this is how it will be. We have to do the things that protect us as well as best serve our customers. If that is not satisfactory for you, I can only suggest you keep using LTU5.
I understand your difficulties but there are some things I don't agree with your about.
Such as: a failure to carry out AM being your own "fault" - that's not nessesarily true. If you are in a position, which is was, where running AM make you have constant suicidal thoughts and you have to quit it not to take your own life - that type of resistance cannot, and shouldn't, be something that the individual should try to overcome, as the risk of getting even deeper into it and risking taking his own life. The only fault the individual has done however, have been to run the program in the first place.
Okay, first, let's put down the word "fault". I don't think I ever said it was the user's "fault". That was started by someone misunderstanding what I was saying.
Secondly, I agree that you shouldn't be using the program if you're having suicidal reactions to it. But that response isn't the program's "fault", either. That response is your subconscious basically saying, "This scares me so much that I believe I will die if I achieve these goals, so my only option to avoid that is to threaten death, because I have nothing to lose and no other way to do it."
VERY few people responded to AM6 with suicidal reactions. The people who did needed more basic work done and accomplished to be able to run that program successfully. That's not a fault of AM6.
Quote:A individual in that kind of position, would be better off running LTU. I can say that because I know that I worked. LTU helped to take me from being miserable and repairing myself in about one year. And it worked because I could do the journey in my own time and as I saw fit, if it would have put to much pressure on me I would have got to the same place as AM took me.
An individual in that kind of position would indeed be better off running LTU. But it worked because you cooperated with the script, and you did that because it was not perceived as such a threat by your subconscious.
Quote:So if you design AM with a "initial stage" that can prepare you for the journey and lay the foundation - that can be run at a chosen period of time depending on the individual and how much time they need to do "ground work" - maybe the same can be done with LTU. I'm not sure that I'm ready to take on a "pre designed development plan" but still need to take things in my own time - but still would love to take part of the new technology in LTU6 - why I'm argumenting for a having a first stage which can be used as a preparation for as how long the individual feels he need it.
AM6 already has an "initial stage" designed to prepare you for the journey. It uses EHPRA v1. LTU6 is going to be designed pretty much the same way - start off with healing and clearing, and then get going on the journey. But LTU6 will have much more advanced technology and scripting than AM6 did. Instead of having a first stage that can be used for as long as the user thinks it needs to be used, it makes more sense to have you just use LTU5 or E3/4 for as long as you need to. Believe it or not, for a program as complex and huge as LTU, six stages is really not easy to work with in terms of what we are doing per stage if I break it into stages. I need all six to make progress, not just sit there healing and clearing on the first stage.
Quote:And regarding refunds - then the individual must have progressed from this stage and have run the whole program - which he will if "stage 1" is designed correctly and make him know when he is ready to progress to take on the rest of the journey.
I will take into consideration having Stage 1 let you know when you're ready to progress, but the problem with that is the same problem we had with H&C. The subconscious tends to just hide in the H&C forever.
(05-21-2020, 08:22 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2020, 12:31 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020, 02:21 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020, 12:41 PM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]Alright - so that means that the six stage LTU will not only overcome the "being bored" effect but also be a more comprehensive program in total.
It will prevent boredom, and make the program able to approach achieving it's goals in a significantly better way.
Quote:And I really hope you don't make it as AM which you HAD to follow the 32 days per stage, I couldn't make it and it therefore i turned to LTU. Hope that you make it in a way that you can choose how long time you run each stage so you can switch when you feel that you are ready for the next step.
Ah, here lies the rub. That is exactly what I had planned, because that design works.
There are two design philosophies that currently dominate the subliminal world. There is mine, and there is the one preferred by some of our competitors. Mine says, if you want the goal to be achieved, you design the product to achieve it, and then design the usage patterns to achieve it. The other one says, "You have the right to use the programs however and in whichever combination and numbers you want! So have fun."
It is my contention that if you want to achieve the goals of the program, and especially when they are as complex and demanding as LTU is, you will design and use them according to what achieves their goals. That is what I do, and that is what I have always done.
So my job is to design the programs to achieve their goals, and your job is to use them in the ways that achieve the results. If you can't make it, should I then make the programs so that they work for you, but achieve inferior results for everyone else? Remember, the whole reason for us going from a monolithic single stage LTU to a six stage set is because the monolithic didn't work for a lot of people because it was attempting to do everything in one stage.
I would say that you "not making it" on AM6 is not an issue with the program, or its design, but the person using it either not having the self control to use it properly, or not wanting to achieve the program's goals.
At present, the most likely design will be a 6 stage format, or a 6+1 stage format. If it includes an "all in one", that would necessitate that I do all sorts of tricks to prevent people from just using the all in one format and then demanding a refund if it doesn't work for them, even if they didn't use it according to the instructions. I'm tired of having to do that, which is a big part of why it will be built in stages this time, instead of as a single stage. We had a small but significant number of people buy LTU5, and then quickly discover that it was asking them to do things that apparently scared the hell out of them. Instead of just trying different ways of using it, they then either didn't finish using it, or didn't use it properly, and demanded a refund, even though they were not following policy to be eligible for one. This resulted in some chargebacks, and then those people being fired as customers. (Banned from the forum and the store.)
Now had LTU5 been built as a 6 or 6+1 stage set, those people could have been stepped up to the goals, and they would have been much less likely to have ended up being banned by us for refusing to follow our refund policy and forcing the issue after not using the program properly in the first place, because all in one was apparently too scary for them. Meanwhile, we had to deal with their abusive behavior and lose not only their payment, but the paypal fees, meaning we effectively paid them to buy our program.
I'm not going to keep doing that.
So... since we are forced into this corner by a few bad actors... this is how it will be. We have to do the things that protect us as well as best serve our customers. If that is not satisfactory for you, I can only suggest you keep using LTU5.
I understand your difficulties but there are some things I don't agree with your about.
Such as: a failure to carry out AM being your own "fault" - that's not nessesarily true. If you are in a position, which is was, where running AM make you have constant suicidal thoughts and you have to quit it not to take your own life - that type of resistance cannot, and shouldn't, be something that the individual should try to overcome, as the risk of getting even deeper into it and risking taking his own life. The only fault the individual has done however, have been to run the program in the first place.
Okay, first, let's put down the word "fault". I don't think I ever said it was the user's "fault". That was started by someone misunderstanding what I was saying.
Secondly, I agree that you shouldn't be using the program if you're having suicidal reactions to it. But that response isn't the program's "fault", either. That response is your subconscious basically saying, "This scares me so much that I believe I will die if I achieve these goals, so my only option to avoid that is to threaten death, because I have nothing to lose and no other way to do it."
VERY few people responded to AM6 with suicidal reactions. The people who did needed more basic work done and accomplished to be able to run that program successfully. That's not a fault of AM6.
Quote:A individual in that kind of position, would be better off running LTU. I can say that because I know that I worked. LTU helped to take me from being miserable and repairing myself in about one year. And it worked because I could do the journey in my own time and as I saw fit, if it would have put to much pressure on me I would have got to the same place as AM took me.
An individual in that kind of position would indeed be better off running LTU. But it worked because you cooperated with the script, and you did that because it was not perceived as such a threat by your subconscious.
Quote:So if you design AM with a "initial stage" that can prepare you for the journey and lay the foundation - that can be run at a chosen period of time depending on the individual and how much time they need to do "ground work" - maybe the same can be done with LTU. I'm not sure that I'm ready to take on a "pre designed development plan" but still need to take things in my own time - but still would love to take part of the new technology in LTU6 - why I'm argumenting for a having a first stage which can be used as a preparation for as how long the individual feels he need it.
AM6 already has an "initial stage" designed to prepare you for the journey. It uses EHPRA v1. LTU6 is going to be designed pretty much the same way - start off with healing and clearing, and then get going on the journey. But LTU6 will have much more advanced technology and scripting than AM6 did. Instead of having a first stage that can be used for as long as the user thinks it needs to be used, it makes more sense to have you just use LTU5 or E3/4 for as long as you need to. Believe it or not, for a program as complex and huge as LTU, six stages is really not easy to work with in terms of what we are doing per stage if I break it into stages. I need all six to make progress, not just sit there healing and clearing on the first stage.
Quote:And regarding refunds - then the individual must have progressed from this stage and have run the whole program - which he will if "stage 1" is designed correctly and make him know when he is ready to progress to take on the rest of the journey.
I will take into consideration having Stage 1 let you know when you're ready to progress, but the problem with that is the same problem we had with H&C. The subconscious tends to just hide in the H&C forever.
OK well I'll take your advice on running ltu5 until I feel ready for ltu6 then. But if I can know that I'm ready and then choose to go on with ltu6, people who run an initial stage of ltu6 could also know when to continue to the next stage when it's time. But I guess it's maybe different from person to person, and some people don't have enough self awareness to know what is resistance tactics and that isn't...
Shannon, what about upgrading the current UMS thus giving the people the option to either get the 6 stager for those that can afford it or just get UMS for those that can’t afford the 6 stager?
(05-21-2020, 09:52 AM)AbundanceCH Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, what about upgrading the current UMS thus giving the people the option to either get the 6 stager for those that can afford it or just get UMS for those that can’t afford the 6 stager?
I was planning to make UMS2 a six stage program also. For much the same reason: both are not as successful as they should be, because they try to pack everything into one stage. Based on how things are going right now, we are looking at these programs most likely being $114.95 a copy, or $600 for the entire set, and this will likely have to stay in place for a while (until the whole financial BS worldwide is over). No matter what I do, someone isn't going to be happy. I am aiming to make this as affordable as possible, and as successful for as many people as possible.
(05-21-2020, 10:31 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2020, 09:52 AM)AbundanceCH Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, what about upgrading the current UMS thus giving the people the option to either get the 6 stager for those that can afford it or just get UMS for those that can’t afford the 6 stager?
I was planning to make UMS2 a six stage program also. For much the same reason: both are not as successful as they should be, because they try to pack everything into one stage. Based on how things are going right now, we are looking at these programs most likely being $114.95 a copy, or $600 for the entire set, and this will likely have to stay in place for a while (until the whole financial BS worldwide is over). No matter what I do, someone isn't going to be happy. I am aiming to make this as affordable as possible, and as successful for as many people as possible.
Well for UMS, if you buy it, then after 6 months, if you have not reached the goal you can get a refund and if it works you would be having a lot more money then you put in.
so if it works better then I definitely agree with stages.
(05-20-2020, 09:01 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 10:24 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 07:02 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (05-18-2020, 08:52 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon's quote "UMS2 and LTU6 are both going to be built in 6+1 stage format. No boredom possible. Smile"
Me" Wow , so 250 thousand dollars for UMS2 and da 1/2 a Million dollars for LTU in 6 stages ;plus 1, Sets !!???
how do ya make money is ya dont have it to make more,or purchases like these??? It is inspiring I admit that UMS2 and LTU6 will be in 7 stages. Wow whaddah surprise.
These are likely to be built while $114.95 a stage is still necessary. And they will be made available on a stage by stage basis.
Hey Shannon, how do you mean they will be made available on stage by stage basis? Is it like AM, SM or WM like "it is 6 stages long and you have to use the program like this" or is it different this time? I have in mind that we could use the "first level" of LTU 1-3 months and then the next level of LTU for 1-3 months.
With level I mean like there is a basic level (close to the current version, I call it here LTU-B), then another level that goes more into the direction of Learning(LTU-L), then another level that goes more in the direction of money(LTU-M), etc. But for each change you have to listen to the basic level before again.
To give an example:
I don't have much money and listen to the LTU-B for 3 months. Then I decide I want to get more learning abilities, so after 3 months on LTU-B I saved enough money to go for LTU-L. After 3 months I have to go back to the LTU-B, otherwise the subconscious could get bored. Then I do another round of LTU-L for 3 months. After that I want to try out the money-one, so I have to use LTU-B first for 3 months and then can go to LTU-M.
There is a lot of options with just a little change or addition to LTU. A more creative level, a healing/calming/stressless level, a level for intense gratitude and happiness, a level for more sport and fitness.
I know there is already different programs but I would guess that a lot of LTU5 customers would like to still continue with the benefits of it and have a slight addition. Of course you can't sell LTU-L or LTU-M without first selling the LTU-B to that customer. Maybe you can let it run for the first 6 months just for longer customers that are used to the usage pattern.
Does this sound interesting to all of you IML-customers?
The way I am planning to do this is to do a 6 + 1 stage format a la AM6 because that allows us the most effective approach. It gives us a 6 stage step-up for people who need it, and a refresher stage for after that. It is more helpful for stepping you up to the all in one, and relieves any boredom along the way. It gives the most benefit to the most number of people in the simplest approach.
A suggestion if I may. Make the shield DRS in LTU6. TAS sounds good too but I am
loving DRS, people just gave up trying to hurt me. That might be even more effective for one’s well-being than the positive effect TAS generates.
(05-20-2020, 09:01 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 10:24 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 07:02 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (05-18-2020, 08:52 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon's quote "UMS2 and LTU6 are both going to be built in 6+1 stage format. No boredom possible. Smile"
Me" Wow , so 250 thousand dollars for UMS2 and da 1/2 a Million dollars for LTU in 6 stages ;plus 1, Sets !!???
how do ya make money is ya dont have it to make more,or purchases like these??? It is inspiring I admit that UMS2 and LTU6 will be in 7 stages. Wow whaddah surprise.
These are likely to be built while $114.95 a stage is still necessary. And they will be made available on a stage by stage basis.
Hey Shannon, how do you mean they will be made available on stage by stage basis? Is it like AM, SM or WM like "it is 6 stages long and you have to use the program like this" or is it different this time? I have in mind that we could use the "first level" of LTU 1-3 months and then the next level of LTU for 1-3 months.
With level I mean like there is a basic level (close to the current version, I call it here LTU-B), then another level that goes more into the direction of Learning(LTU-L), then another level that goes more in the direction of money(LTU-M), etc. But for each change you have to listen to the basic level before again.
To give an example:
I don't have much money and listen to the LTU-B for 3 months. Then I decide I want to get more learning abilities, so after 3 months on LTU-B I saved enough money to go for LTU-L. After 3 months I have to go back to the LTU-B, otherwise the subconscious could get bored. Then I do another round of LTU-L for 3 months. After that I want to try out the money-one, so I have to use LTU-B first for 3 months and then can go to LTU-M.
There is a lot of options with just a little change or addition to LTU. A more creative level, a healing/calming/stressless level, a level for intense gratitude and happiness, a level for more sport and fitness.
I know there is already different programs but I would guess that a lot of LTU5 customers would like to still continue with the benefits of it and have a slight addition. Of course you can't sell LTU-L or LTU-M without first selling the LTU-B to that customer. Maybe you can let it run for the first 6 months just for longer customers that are used to the usage pattern.
Does this sound interesting to all of you IML-customers?
The way I am planning to do this is to do a 6 + 1 stage format a la AM6 because that allows us the most effective approach. It gives us a 6 stage step-up for people who need it, and a refresher stage for after that. It is more helpful for stepping you up to the all in one, and relieves any boredom along the way. It gives the most benefit to the most number of people in the simplest approach.
A suggestion if I may. Make the shield DRS in LTU6. TAS sounds good too but I am
loving DRS, people just gave up trying to hurt me. That might be even more effective for one’s well-being than the positive effect TAS generates.
(05-20-2020, 09:46 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020, 09:30 AM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020, 09:13 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020, 03:11 AM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ] (05-19-2020, 11:18 PM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]But how would you see a multi stage LTU for the future? As Shannon said the current one might lead to boredom of the subconscious for some people, so the next LTU will be a multi stage.
Don't know man, I don't know how Shannon even divide up AM6 so it's hard to say how those work.
Curious though - we who don't seem to need a multi stage version but are fine with just one stage - will we be able to just buy and use only "the refresher"?
And I really hope that ARA gets added to LTU6, even if it results in loosing some other module.
Here's my problem with "just buying the refresher".
We wouldn't have LTU6 coming out as a 6+1 stage set if that worked for everyone. Inevitably you have someone who thinks, "I dun wanna do this for 6+ months! I'll just buy the all in one stage." or "I dun wanna pay for all of that! I'll just buy the all in one stage." And then they discover the hard way that they needed the 6+1 stage because it doesn't work for them as an all in one, but they don't get it. They don't want to then spend MORE money and MORE time to try again. They only see "I bought this and it doesn't work, so I want my money back!"
Then we get into... "If you don't give me my money back, I'm going to slander you!" when really, the problem is that they didn't want to use it properly. Makes us look bad because they were too cheap or lazy to use it properly, and takes money we earned out of our pockets because they did it wrong. But there's no convincing them of that!
Consequently, I will be forced to limit how you can get Stage 7, and how you can get a refund, in order to protect IML from the bad apples. Most likely, Stage 7 will only be available as part of the all in one package, or by request if you can be verified to have purchased all six stages otherwise, and have had time to have used them properly.
Or better still...don't have a stage 7.
It only creates problems, for both parties I think. I don't see a way around that.
Better to keep things on rails, Shannon. Those kinds of programs require committment long term. If they don't wish to do that, the program isn't right for them and they'd just quit or whatever anyway. Stage 7 just creates the temptation for nothing but negative outcomes.
That is also something I have been seriously considering. It would make things more difficult in some ways to do that, and solve a lot of problems, too. I suppose we shall see when the time comes.
I disagree, I would like to have a refresher. The limitation that one can only buy the refresher after proving purchase of the previous six levels is reasonable and easy to implement, the order history is all there.
(05-20-2020, 10:02 AM)AriGold Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe you have to tell the story different. Like LTU is then not a 6+1 stage program but a 7 stage program so they also need the 7th stage but this they can run longer for up to 3 months. If you tell it is a refresher stage and "all in one" then people tend to try the shortcut. Or just let the refresher appear in their downloads 6 months after the purchase. Or no refresher at all as already pointed out.
Also I would not recommend to sell them in separate stages even if people start hating that opinion because in stages it would be more affordable. With buying in stages it is more likely that you run out of money before you can continue with the next stage. In that case I would point to LTU 3.1 and say "this one is available for a lower price, you can use that one until you can afford the big one. Don't try to take a short cut, take the way that leads to true success and true development."
So the only option for those who cannot shell 1k+ bucks on day 1 is to be a B citizen and be happy with the less powerful program. Wow. Let them eat cake.
(05-20-2020, 02:21 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2020, 12:41 PM)Zubrowka Wrote: [ -> ]Alright - so that means that the six stage LTU will not only overcome the "being bored" effect but also be a more comprehensive program in total.
It will prevent boredom, and make the program able to approach achieving it's goals in a significantly better way.
Quote:And I really hope you don't make it as AM which you HAD to follow the 32 days per stage, I couldn't make it and it therefore i turned to LTU. Hope that you make it in a way that you can choose how long time you run each stage so you can switch when you feel that you are ready for the next step.
Ah, here lies the rub. That is exactly what I had planned, because that design works.
There are two design philosophies that currently dominate the subliminal world. There is mine, and there is the one preferred by some of our competitors. Mine says, if you want the goal to be achieved, you design the product to achieve it, and then design the usage patterns to achieve it. The other one says, "You have the right to use the programs however and in whichever combination and numbers you want! So have fun."
It is my contention that if you want to achieve the goals of the program, and especially when they are as complex and demanding as LTU is, you will design and use them according to what achieves their goals. That is what I do, and that is what I have always done.
So my job is to design the programs to achieve their goals, and your job is to use them in the ways that achieve the results. If you can't make it, should I then make the programs so that they work for you, but achieve inferior results for everyone else? Remember, the whole reason for us going from a monolithic single stage LTU to a six stage set is because the monolithic didn't work for a lot of people because it was attempting to do everything in one stage.
I would say that you "not making it" on AM6 is not an issue with the program, or its design, but the person using it either not having the self control to use it properly, or not wanting to achieve the program's goals.
At present, the most likely design will be a 6 stage format, or a 6+1 stage format. If it includes an "all in one", that would necessitate that I do all sorts of tricks to prevent people from just using the all in one format and then demanding a refund if it doesn't work for them, even if they didn't use it according to the instructions. I'm tired of having to do that, which is a big part of why it will be built in stages this time, instead of as a single stage. We had a small but significant number of people buy LTU5, and then quickly discover that it was asking them to do things that apparently scared the hell out of them. Instead of just trying different ways of using it, they then either didn't finish using it, or didn't use it properly, and demanded a refund, even though they were not following policy to be eligible for one. This resulted in some chargebacks, and then those people being fired as customers. (Banned from the forum and the store.)
Now had LTU5 been built as a 6 or 6+1 stage set, those people could have been stepped up to the goals, and they would have been much less likely to have ended up being banned by us for refusing to follow our refund policy and forcing the issue after not using the program properly in the first place, because all in one was apparently too scary for them. Meanwhile, we had to deal with their abusive behavior and lose not only their payment, but the paypal fees, meaning we effectively paid them to buy our program.
I'm not going to keep doing that.
So... since we are forced into this corner by a few bad actors... this is how it will be. We have to do the things that protect us as well as best serve our customers. If that is not satisfactory for you, I can only suggest you keep using LTU5.
The solution seems easy to me: each customer can only buy one level when at least xx days have passed since purchasing the previous level. Money back only applies to level 1. (If one purchases advanced levels they are implicitly accepting that level 1 worked for them and they are willing to commit for the long run.)
(05-20-2020, 02:52 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]How come suddenly now it's 'too hard' to listen to 32 days a stage? Or even listen for something 8+ hours?
When I first come to the forum we were all doing that, no complaints, no 'oh this is too hard' we just did it. I did AM6 twice and never had an issue, neither did tons of other people. But now it's apparently a criticism of Shannon's design.
LTU is almost the same amount of listening (7 hours, and yes 2 days off but not far off) with AM6 you simply listen to a stage for 32 days, and switch over to the next stage. It's not that difficult.
I don't really like the idea of getting rid of Stage 7. I haven't used any Stage 7's but i've read people who have used AM6 a few times then used Stage 7 and it's been very beneficial for them after that. Maybe something like don't bundle Stage 7 when they buy it, but when they have proof they have done Stage 1-6 properly then we can set the up with stage 7.
I am in full agreement. Getting results with product x takes y dollars and z hours. It’s made clear form the very beginning.
I also agree about stage 7, I would be disappointed if I didn’t have a refresher.