Subliminal Talk

(03-25-2021, 07:28 PM)London1 Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon

Can you please explain to me what is TID and why it happens? 
Does it happen even when you dont intend on using the sub? 


I cant understand how some get so strong effects from a sub when they havent used it yet and some get no effects at all even after actually running it for months, including the no tid

http://www.subliminal-shop.com/glossary/
TID (Temporal Impact Displacement): In other words, it is how far before the initiating action that the resulting effect takes place. P5 and P6 technologies create TID effects. As a result, you can actually start getting effects before you start using the program, and these are “ripples” moving away from the point of experience that generated them. This is possible because time is only perceived as being linear by the conscious mind, but it is not actually linear. This process has nothing to do with spirits, as some apparently believe. TID is an effect resulting from your own higher awareness.

(03-25-2021, 07:06 PM)Vasil Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon glad to see AOL come out. It's actually something I've been looking forward to for a long time as I've worked with love meditations from Klaus Joehle and wanted something that was more "set and forget" and didn't require so much constant effort. I'm currently on month 6 of E4 but would like to switch as results have tapered/I've gotten bored and would like to get AOL for a while before transitioning to UMS. I have two questions for you:

1) Given the fact that AOL mostly focuses on creating an aura and not deep internal change, should we see faster and more sustained results and less resistance than programs that work with deep elements of the psyche?

Generating an aura of love is going to require that you cooperate with the program instructions.  Not everyone is going to want to do that right away; some people will have been hurt in ways that make their subconscious resist initially, but the program is designed to get through that relatively quickly and move you to a place internally where they can and will execute regardless.  

This process will require internal change, and for some it will be deep internal change required, depending on the reason for initial resistance.  This of course will be an individual thing.

The speed of results will of course depend on using the program properly, but also is tied heavily to the technology generation (5.75.7G) as well as the personality of the user, their age, what they have experienced, how they have consciously and subconsciously interpreted and responded to that, and so on and so forth.

Furthermore, being bathed in an aura of love will have a transformative effect in its own right.

Ultimately, this program should produce noticeable results within a few minutes which will become obvious within a single loop and should achieve full power for most people in about 3 to 7 days, depending on the specifics.  Some will see it faster, some may need more time.  So in that sense, yes, this should be much faster than something like E4.

Quote:2) I'm tempted to jump straight into it out of E4. How bad would this be and if you think it's a bad idea, how much time should I give it in between?

Thanks.

Well, if you've stopped noticing changes from E4, it may be a sign of subconscious boredom.  I would give E4 between 1 and 2 weeks to settle and finish making changes when the program has been stopped, so that the bloom kicks in.  It is also important to give your subconscious a break from subliminals sometimes, and that is part of why I suggest 1 to 4 weeks off after a long run of more than 3 months.  Never giving your subconscious a break can be about like eating the same thing for too long: after a while, your subconscious may get sick of the constant chatter.

I also don't recommend it for the reason that you'll probably get serious turbulence, and this new generation of technology is a real kicker.  The higher in power and advancement we get, the more potentially unpleasant the turbulence can be if you experience it.

(03-25-2021, 07:28 PM)London1 Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon

Can you please explain to me what is TID and why it happens? 
Does it happen even when you dont intend on using the sub? 


I cant understand how some get so strong effects from a sub when they havent used it yet and some get no effects at all even after actually running it for months, including the no tid

TID is the acronym we use to discuss a phenomenon I call "Temporal Impact Displacement".  In plain English, it's referring to getting results before you start using the program.  TID is a result of a technology module known as "P6", which I introduced in 5.5G subs several years ago.  It has a very convoluted goal, and I am not at liberty to tell you exactly what it is intended to do or how and why it triggers TID, but it does.  I invented the concept and technology that is P6 to solve an issue I was having with making my subliminals achieve a specific goal I wanted them to achieve.  Unfortunately, if I tell you what that goal is, it will give too much information to potential competitors who did not do the work to figure all this out, so I can't.

The part of why TID happens that I can explain is this.  Time apparently does not exist the way you think and perceive it as existing at the conscious level of awareness.  According to my experiments, it is experienced differently by different levels of your awareness.  At the conscious level, it is experienced as a fleeting "point of now", which is gone so fast as to never be caught fully.  But as you delve into the subconscious awareness, it becomes more and more a "smear of now", such that what your conscious mind perceives as being the "past" and "future" are all the "now" that that part of your mind experiences.  The deeper the level of the awareness, the "longer" the smear of now, extending first seconds, then minutes, then hours and even further into the "past" and "future" as the conscious mind experiences it.  At the deepest levels, all awareness of time ceases completely, as you will know if you have ever meditated deeply enough. This is how the psychic discipline known as "prophecy" works in many cases, and allows the "telling of the future" by communicating what one level of your awareness is already experiencing as "now" to your conscious awareness that hasn't "gotten to that experience yet".

TID affects everyone but some people are more resistant than others, and it affects their experience of TID and of using and executing the subliminal directly.  In the case that someone has a conscious resistance to executing the script, and a strong enough will, and sufficient fear, and is using a weak enough technology level, they may be able to shut down both TID and the program itself while using it.  In some cases, this boils down to a fear that if TID exists, they must re-evaluate their entire world view, which would be very scary.  In others, they fear something else, like a loss of self control or some expected or imagined threat to their safety if they execute, so they subconsciously refuse to.  Since TID fades in weeks and even sometimes months before using the program, it starts off very weak and is easily shut down if that is desired.  As the user gets closer to actually using the program, the effect becomes stronger and stronger until when they press play, if they're actually executing, they start getting noticeable results in minutes or sometimes even seconds.  If they refuse to execute P6 or anything else that matters when they use it, then TID does not take place, and nothing of the sort is experienced.

It is actually possible to experience TID from a program you never actually run.  This happens when the dominant probability line you are on - the flow of time into the most probable future at the current "point of now" - leads to running the program, but something causes you to choose not to run it before you start.  In this case, you get TID until you shift to a probability line on which you choose not to use it, and then the effect stops, or is replaced by TID from something else.  I have experienced this a number of times.

Further, it is possible to experience TID if you use the sub on the current probability line, but don't expect or intend to "at this point of now" and later, unknowingly to your "now" self as yet, change your mind.  This is the reverse of the previous scenario.

TID only happens when:
1. You actually start using the subliminal at some point within the next 30 to 60 days on the probability line you are currently on, and
2. You don't resist/refuse to execute the program (or P6), and
3. The program has P6 technology in it.

Hope this helps.  If there's something that confuses you, let me know and I'll explain it more in depth.

(03-25-2021, 07:49 PM)Superman Wrote: [ -> ]By the time ums2 comes out I might not have the free income to afford it anymore 

maybe buy yourself coupons, and use them later?

"If this isn't TID from Aura of Love, then I don't know what's going on... but if it is TID, then you guys are in for one hell of a treat!"

@Shannon

From what you describe in your journal, it sounds like textbook DMSI execution, but minus the user-side compulsion. Not to reach into the realm of disbelievability (a word I just invented), but as the sole creator of these subs, it seems likely that your subconscious holds all of them, and can probably selectively execute any of them that it finds useful to accomplish whatever goals it's interested in. Of Course this is just a theory in terms of TLD, but it's fun to think about either way.

(03-26-2021, 01:40 AM)UniversalMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-25-2021, 07:49 PM)Superman Wrote: [ -> ]By the time ums2 comes out I might not have the free income to afford it anymore 

maybe buy yourself coupons, and use them later?

 Thats exactly what I was gonna do,until USLMv4.2 helped and klcked in ,just in the nick of time...or beyound time so in a sense I do have coupons. they're just in the form of green dollar bills,waitng to be used for UMSv2. If yu can I'd do what Shannon recommended. All the best U.v.-Man you're a cool dude.

(03-25-2021, 07:57 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]It is also important to give your subconscious a break from subliminals sometimes, and that is part of why I suggest 1 to 4 weeks off after a long run of more than 3 months.  Never giving your subconscious a break can be about like eating the same thing for too long: after a while, your subconscious may get sick of the constant chatter.

Do you also need to take a break with OF V2 every 3 months for 2-4 weeks or to do the 8 months consecutively with only the days off as a break?

(03-26-2021, 02:32 AM)Zeroxmachina Wrote: [ -> ]"If this isn't TID from Aura of Love, then I don't know what's going on... but if it is TID, then you guys are in for one hell of a treat!"

@Shannon

From what you describe in your journal, it sounds like textbook DMSI execution, but minus the user-side compulsion. Not to reach into the realm of disbelievability (a word I just invented), but as the sole creator of these subs, it seems likely that your subconscious holds all of them, and can probably selectively execute any of them that it finds useful to accomplish whatever goals it's interested in. Of Course this is just a theory in terms of TLD, but it's fun to think about either way.

 Wow. Most excellent Point Zeroxmachina!!  
 I want to say something here, that is very important  and needs to be said: I think and feel that all the souls that have gathered here, most if not all of them,male and female,alike...are very special people,that REALLY want to heal/change/grow and make things better in thier lives and in the lives of others along the way,if thats what they so choose,but healing/changing 'at home' first ,with themselves...... 
 Look at all the availability  of things   so many.many people have at thier finget tips now.... and yet so many have yet to wake up,or come clean,come forth and take the necessary steps to make thier lives better and better. 

 Yet here  at IML ,whether people come to test drive a sub, try to prove them wrong,that is subliminal technology or are real open and dive right in.... it takes a special kind of person or persons to do so..... a major example would be using  OFv2.... so whether its despairation or inspiration , or a combo there of....People are here to improve/get thier needs met and frankly thats some ballsy stuff. considering how many folk do not.
 Peace  Be Wiff.

Hey Shannon. Along side MLS i've been looking at a lot literature on toxic shame and exercises to start to address it. 

Its been fascinating and challenging - and one thing it suggests to me is that unconditional love could be a very efficient way to integrate and calm the disparate inner voices of shame. I think i see why your models suggested this would be a valuable and popular sub and my guess is that this will contribute a lot to how future subs work in healing the self. 

 I guess my question is how much do you think that 'love is the answer' to the many ills we have and whether you could share any insight on the role of love in development and healing. 

 I won't name names but thinking back to some of the darker voices that have been on this forum, there were guys who had no sense of the humanity of women, and others who seemed unable to get people at all. I wonder how much a sense of unconditional love would have solved their numbness/neuroses.

(03-26-2021, 02:32 AM)Zeroxmachina Wrote: [ -> ]"If this isn't TID from Aura of Love, then I don't know what's going on... but if it is TID, then you guys are in for one hell of a treat!"

@Shannon

From what you describe in your journal, it sounds like textbook DMSI execution, but minus the user-side compulsion. Not to reach into the realm of disbelievability (a word I just invented), but as the sole creator of these subs, it seems likely that your subconscious holds all of them, and can probably selectively execute any of them that it finds useful to accomplish whatever goals it's interested in. Of Course this is just a theory in terms of TLD, but it's fun to think about either way.

My subconscious differs from yours but little at the level of the focus into the physical world.  While I indeed subconsciously know every word that goes into every one of these programs, that does not mean that those words are being executed as a subliminal for me all the time.  If that were the case, I would never have to run any subliminal but once, and having run so many would make me an eternally exhausted pile of jelly.  As for selective execution, you must remember MIR: no matter what I do, it still requires actually listening to it to get the execution you need.  The subconscious does what it has to do, nothing more.  That includes executing subliminals.  That is why I have to use DMSI to get DMSI's effects, just like you.

(03-26-2021, 04:33 AM)Choice Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-25-2021, 07:57 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]It is also important to give your subconscious a break from subliminals sometimes, and that is part of why I suggest 1 to 4 weeks off after a long run of more than 3 months.  Never giving your subconscious a break can be about like eating the same thing for too long: after a while, your subconscious may get sick of the constant chatter.

Do you also need to take a break with OF V2 every 3 months for 2-4 weeks or to do the 8 months consecutively with only the days off as a break?

You should use it continuously for the amount of time indicated.  That amount of time is what is indicated as being necessary to achieve a solid result with the subliminal for most people, and taking a break may interrupt that flow.  Especially with things like OF, where fear is a self regenerating thing.  The whole reason OF is indicated for so long is to give the program and your subconscious time to reach the rooth and remove it, thus removing the fear and making it unable to regenerate.  Most other programs will have 3 to 6 months of use per run-through.  Always use the program for the amount of time indicated, and then take a break.

(03-26-2021, 04:59 AM)Darwin Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Shannon. Along side MLS i've been looking at a lot literature on toxic shame and exercises to start to address it. 

Its been fascinating and challenging - and one thing it suggests to me is that unconditional love could be a very efficient way to integrate and calm the disparate inner voices of shame. I think i see why your models suggested this would be a valuable and popular sub and my guess is that this will contribute a lot to how future subs work in healing the self. 

 I guess my question is how much do you think that 'love is the answer' to the many ills we have and whether you could share any insight on the role of love in development and healing. 

If there was a perfect experience of the right kinds of love for each person on this planet, there would likely be few to no negatives to being alive.  At the very least, they would be greatly reduced.  Love in development is probably the single most critical thing every child needs.  To be, and feel, loved, cared about and taken care of.  Humans, much as we like to deny it, need love like we need to breathe.  But there is another couple of factors involved that complicate matters, and those get into Rule 4 stuff.  Those explain why you can take a child who was given all the love in the world, and have him turn around and brutally murder the very family who gave him that love in the first place.  It gets into the birth pattern and the soul that is born through the body.

Love with regards to healing is a very important thing also.  The right kinds of love can help heal physical as well as emotional wounds.  Love, properly included, can heal anything.  If when you are healing a physical injury, you spend time focusing feelings of genuine love on the cells that are damaged and healing, you will heal faster.  If you focus love on an emotional wound, it will begin to soften and then heal faster, provided that the body (especially the brain) is not damaged in a way that makes it impossible.  But the love must be of the right type and it must be included in the right way.  I have found that certain types of love are of limited use for healing, and some have no use at all.

I believe that all things in the universe ultimately originate from love.  That we do not always experience that love is so that we have some reason to act and grow, instead of stagnate inside a warm blanket of cozy love forever.  

Quote: I won't name names but thinking back to some of the darker voices that have been on this forum, there were guys who had no sense of the humanity of women, and others who seemed unable to get people at all. I wonder how much a sense of unconditional love would have solved their numbness/neuroses.

If I was to create a subliminal that induced a sense of unconditional love in a 3 year old, it would still act according to it's level of understanding and awareness.  So too with young souls.  Those who see the world as "me vs not-me" are very young souls who have not yet come to understand that we are all connected in ways that make us all hurt when we hurt one another.  The greatest tool in the world will not act with wisdom; that is the job of the wielder of the tool.  Experiencing unconditional love may help them grow and give them an expanded sense of what is, but they must have the right understanding to do with it what is the best thing to do.  In this world, the most common way to learn is to make mistakes and suffer the consequences.  Very few learn any other way.

Thanks Shannon. It's clear you have a level of insight into things that can't be elaborated too much in a public forum. Can I ask what led you to the understanding you have? was it teachers, books, realisations through your work?

And how would someone like me progress along a path of better understanding?

5.75.7g and the aura upgrades sound very exciting!