(04-17-2024, 12:29 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (04-17-2024, 11:53 AM)Topaz Wrote: [ -> ]Theoretically speaking if the user isn't afraid of sex and success he can get a lot of results with DMSI and SM I assume...
Anyhow I'll have to try each one of them to understand what you are talking about.
My experience is with my affirmations and manifestations process which helped me attract many sexual opportunities including some potentially "dangerous" ones fear wasn't an issues because it happened to me.
I created it before I was involved in the situations so to speak the script has been written and I only participated.
I'm not sure how it is different
It was much fun and it got better as long as I continued to focus in the same direction. Some of the things that things that happened were totally crazy I could write a book.
At some point I got lazy and I wanted to manifest things unconsciously that's why I'm here 
I can share 10 years ago that at first when things start to manifest and I was inexperienced and scared I didn't completely understand the whole situation and I stopped the process afraid of my own success
But once you live it, it becomes the new norm.
Making things happen at the subconscious isn't always manifestation. DMSI uses manifestation, but it's only one of the tools in the (vast) toolbox. SM also uses manifestation, but it is there also just one of the many tools in that toolbox. X4A makes no effort to use manifestation at all. But working completely with the subconscious is a completely different landscape than involving the conscious mind (typically hypnosis, NLP, affirmations and afformations). The conscious mind is a very powerful force in it's own right, and while it can be manipulated by the subconscious, it is also, in it's own ways, much stronger than the subconscious. So it is possible to get results that way that would not happen using subliminals alone unless you clear away the subconscious fears.
The parts of the subconscious that have the most power to influence things to the goal are in many cases, the very parts that are most susceptible to fear. Thus, we have subliminals like DMSI, where the conscious mind wants the goal, and some of the subconscious wants the goal, but the "prime mover" is afraid that it will literally get murdered if it achieves the goal or genuinely attempts to. Impossibly ridiculous and irrational, but that's just how that part of the human awareness works. There are things we can do, but they are slow, and so I have been working on developing ways to get past that issue for a long time.
I have personally had insanely good results on DMSI (every version I tried), SM and X4A-1000, 1511 and now even moreso with 2000. I know others who have likewise had repeatable results on that level with each of those programs. But most guys are for whatever reason afraid of sex, or women, or getting to sex, etc. So we wither have to find a way past that or leave them behind. I'd like to do both: find a way past it, and then create something that leaves them behind, which they can aspire to grow into readiness for and use eventually.
I wanted to reply when I have more time to explain and to really define what I was talking about but I cannot find this time right now because of work so I will reply in the best way I can:
My definition of manifesting is as simple as the following examples:
Mirror affirmations "I'm beautiful and I love myself" => Women/People and clients complimenting "You are so handsome! And beautiful!" Out of nowhere
Another example would be writing gratitude => always finding parking place where one should never always find parking places.
As you can see in these two examples the human being didn't try necessarily to manifest a parking place or compliments however he started to attract and manifestation things into he's life.
These two examples are very simple and the manifestation can be bigger in everyway.
The joy of living that way is also not discussed but can be enormous change to ones life and wellbeing.
By that process of thought I thought to myself:
One could use a "Simple program" like AOS 4g which has a sentence in it for example "I am sexy" therefore should manifest into his life people being attracted to him and situations circumstances and events which reflect that in every possible way -> women coming into his life because he is sexy and attractive . And being invited to parties and social gatherings just so the universe will Express itself through him to show him how sexy he is
Another subject:
Can you update OPH to repel 5G and EMF radiation? Even better, if it's possible maybe it should be in every subliminal. I've noticed EMF and 5G/4G/3G can really affect health
(04-19-2024, 08:53 AM)Topaz Wrote: [ -> ] (04-17-2024, 12:29 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]Making things happen at the subconscious isn't always manifestation. DMSI uses manifestation, but it's only one of the tools in the (vast) toolbox. SM also uses manifestation, but it is there also just one of the many tools in that toolbox. X4A makes no effort to use manifestation at all. But working completely with the subconscious is a completely different landscape than involving the conscious mind (typically hypnosis, NLP, affirmations and afformations). The conscious mind is a very powerful force in it's own right, and while it can be manipulated by the subconscious, it is also, in it's own ways, much stronger than the subconscious. So it is possible to get results that way that would not happen using subliminals alone unless you clear away the subconscious fears.
The parts of the subconscious that have the most power to influence things to the goal are in many cases, the very parts that are most susceptible to fear. Thus, we have subliminals like DMSI, where the conscious mind wants the goal, and some of the subconscious wants the goal, but the "prime mover" is afraid that it will literally get murdered if it achieves the goal or genuinely attempts to. Impossibly ridiculous and irrational, but that's just how that part of the human awareness works. There are things we can do, but they are slow, and so I have been working on developing ways to get past that issue for a long time.
I have personally had insanely good results on DMSI (every version I tried), SM and X4A-1000, 1511 and now even moreso with 2000. I know others who have likewise had repeatable results on that level with each of those programs. But most guys are for whatever reason afraid of sex, or women, or getting to sex, etc. So we wither have to find a way past that or leave them behind. I'd like to do both: find a way past it, and then create something that leaves them behind, which they can aspire to grow into readiness for and use eventually.
I wanted to reply when I have more time to explain and to really define what I was talking about but I cannot find this time right now because of work so I will reply in the best way I can:
My definition of manifesting is as simple as the following examples:
Mirror affirmations "I'm beautiful and I love myself" => Women/People and clients complimenting "You are so handsome! And beautiful!" Out of nowhere
Another example would be writing gratitude => always finding parking place where one should never always find parking places.
As you can see in these two examples the human being didn't try necessarily to manifest a parking place or compliments however he started to attract and manifestation things into he's life.
These two examples are very simple and the manifestation can be bigger in everyway.
The joy of living that way is also not discussed but can be enormous change to ones life and wellbeing.
By that process of thought I thought to myself:
One could use a "Simple program" like AOS 4g which has a sentence in it for example "I am sexy" therefore should manifest into his life people being attracted to him and situations circumstances and events which reflect that in every possible way -> women coming into his life because he is sexy and attractive . And being invited to parties and social gatherings just so the universe will Express itself through him to show him how sexy he is
In practice, if that worked, I would have stopped at 4G. Without the involvement of the conscious mind, and sometimes even then, the subconscious will hear a statement like "I am sexy." and reject it if it does not match the perceived, accepted reality and belief, thus negating it.
Quote:Another subject:
Can you update OPH to repel 5G and EMF radiation? Even better, if it's possible maybe it should be in every subliminal. I've noticed EMF and 5G/4G/3G can really affect health
I don't think the human body has any way of repelling those types of radiation.
Hey Shannon,
You've talked about having trouble, back in the day, with going out, socialising and talking to women. What's the main thing that got you from there to being able to execute every version of DMSI and X4A?
I ask because I'm interested in structuring my listening more intelligently, in the sense that certain "core" or "foundational" listens could open up many different possibilities a few years down the line.
Big thanks,
CT
(04-20-2024, 12:06 AM)thectexperience1 Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Shannon,
You've talked about having trouble, back in the day, with going out, socialising and talking to women. What's the main thing that got you from there to being able to execute every version of DMSI and X4A?
I ask because I'm interested in structuring my listening more intelligently, in the sense that certain "core" or "foundational" listens could open up many different possibilities a few years down the line.
Big thanks,
CT
For me, the key was three things. Two of them were subliminals.
1. Alpha Male. I used every version of it, all six. It was really v5 and v6 that put me in a good place to have the next thing take effect.
2. Sex Magnet v2. This really got me out there wanting to socialize.
3. One of my friends from high school calls trivia for a part time job. So he invited me to do trivia and I went.
That first time doing trivia was hard because I didn't know anything about socializing really. I was alone, and it was not like I had a girlfriend there to help spark things. But I sat at the bar in an area where I was relatively alone, and just played the game. My goal at first was to familiarize myself with how it works - the whole trivia thing, and the social scene.
And I went back, because trivia was fun. As smart as I am, I generally suck at trivia because my areas of knowledge are so specialized and unusual that they're generally not very useful when it comes to trivia. But it was fun to get out of the house.
After a time or two seeing me there, people started talking to me. And then they started seeking me out to talk to, or ask about what I thought the answer was, and I realized... socializing is just a fun game. Once I started thinking like that, my natural personality started coming out, and people began to become my friends.
It took time to open up, but as I became familiar with it, I did. And it's all good.
But now you have a lot more options than I did.
Nice! It's legit amazing what you've been able to do.
So, let's imagine you had had all the tools we have now. Would you still do SM, or skip straught to, say, DMSI 5.8G?
(04-20-2024, 09:46 PM)thectexperience1 Wrote: [ -> ]Nice! It's legit amazing what you've been able to do.
So, let's imagine you had had all the tools we have now. Would you still do SM, or skip straught to, say, DMSI 5.8G?
I think the biggest thing Shannon is trying to convey here is the basis that AM can give and the fact that it takes effort and time meaning it's a journal
If you're willing to follow you can read my journals.
I've just finished AM6 not long ago and in the near future I'll start SM3
I might want to do a short run of AOS BIATBW ASC and of course AM refresher before starting SM3
I'll journal each of them as I go along
Currently I'm using OPH but I'm not sure how long I'll be using it
The universe pushed me to do a different diet and it might help as well
(04-20-2024, 09:46 PM)thectexperience1 Wrote: [ -> ]Nice! It's legit amazing what you've been able to do.
So, let's imagine you had had all the tools we have now. Would you still do SM, or skip straught to, say, DMSI 5.8G?
It would depend on where I was in my development. The whole issue I had with my life back then was that I grew up with a single mother who turned out to be a feminist who blamed her poor choices regarding men on men, and raised me to be a doormat to women. I created AM to solve the problem of not having a father figure in my life to give me that balance of influences. So it's likely I would still go the same route, since my goal was not to get laid, but to become a self capable and self supporting man, instead of the perpetual child she was (perhaps subconsciously) trying to make me.
Sex Magnet happened because I had to test the program. That effect on my social life was not expected.
DMSI would not have been something I could have executed at that stage of my life, even v3.5. Still too much fear and self development necessary at that time.
(04-21-2024, 10:00 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2024, 09:46 PM)thectexperience1 Wrote: [ -> ]Nice! It's legit amazing what you've been able to do.
So, let's imagine you had had all the tools we have now. Would you still do SM, or skip straught to, say, DMSI 5.8G?
It would depend on where I was in my development. The whole issue I had with my life back then was that I grew up with a single mother who turned out to be a feminist who blamed her poor choices regarding men on men, and raised me to be a doormat to women. I created AM to solve the problem of not having a father figure in my life to give me that balance of influences. So it's likely I would still go the same route, since my goal was not to get laid, but to become a self capable and self supporting man, instead of the perpetual child she was (perhaps subconsciously) trying to make me.
Sex Magnet happened because I had to test the program. That effect on my social life was not expected.
DMSI would not have been something I could have executed at that stage of my life, even v3.5. Still too much fear and self development necessary at that time.
I'm super excited to just read what Shannon shared with us here!
Personally my father neglected me most of my life and didn't raised me as the man I should be.
I didn't have a father figure and I needed to try to have mentors instead some of them really helped me.
But still grew up to be fearful in a lot of situations and not independent as I should.
That with some health issues didn't help.
My first run of AM6 is obviously not enough to make the change I need but I can attest it still pushes me in the right direction even after I've finished my first run through.
I'll need more time focusing on that after I'll take sometime to deal with my limiting beliefs or to be honest fear of my own success with women.
Because I've already had a lot of success and it went away so quickly after I've stopped focusing on that consciously with affirmations.
I know Shannon says it's because the affirmations don't affect the subconscious mind as subliminals.
But I totally think it has more to do with fear of success and guilt I don't want to feel from others. For example I don't want people to be jealous of me...
Anyway it's a journey first thing first...
The only problem we have it the lack of time.
A run through can take 6-7 months then weeks of wait between programs.
It means it can take years.
For someone who started at age of 40+ that's not easy
(04-21-2024, 11:22 AM)Topaz Wrote: [ -> ] (04-21-2024, 10:00 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]It would depend on where I was in my development. The whole issue I had with my life back then was that I grew up with a single mother who turned out to be a feminist who blamed her poor choices regarding men on men, and raised me to be a doormat to women. I created AM to solve the problem of not having a father figure in my life to give me that balance of influences. So it's likely I would still go the same route, since my goal was not to get laid, but to become a self capable and self supporting man, instead of the perpetual child she was (perhaps subconsciously) trying to make me.
Sex Magnet happened because I had to test the program. That effect on my social life was not expected.
DMSI would not have been something I could have executed at that stage of my life, even v3.5. Still too much fear and self development necessary at that time.
I'm super excited to just read what Shannon shared with us here!
Personally my father neglected me most of my life and didn't raised me as the man I should be.
I didn't have a father figure and I needed to try to have mentors instead some of them really helped me.
But still grew up to be fearful in a lot of situations and not independent as I should.
That with some health issues didn't help.
My first run of AM6 is obviously not enough to make the change I need but I can attest it still pushes me in the right direction even after I've finished my first run through.
I'll need more time focusing on that after I'll take sometime to deal with my limiting beliefs or to be honest fear of my own success with women.
Because I've already had a lot of success and it went away so quickly after I've stopped focusing on that consciously with affirmations.
I know Shannon says it's because the affirmations don't affect the subconscious mind as subliminals.
But I totally think it has more to do with fear of success and guilt I don't want to feel from others. For example I don't want people to be jealous of me...
Anyway it's a journey first thing first...
The only problem we have it the lack of time.
A run through can take 6-7 months then weeks of wait between programs.
It means it can take years.
For someone who started at age of 40+ that's not easy
That only makes it even more important to do it now. The more you break up your run-throughs of AM, the less effective each one will be. And you seem to b choosing to focus on the women and the sex, not the things you need to do and achieve to make those women and sex a natural side effect. That is the classic mistake all the guys make who don't really understand what's what. Focus on women, and they will slip through your grasp. Focus on yourself, and women will naturally and automatically choose you. You will have to turn them down, and that will only make them want you more. Trust me... I speak from personal experience.
Thanks for sharing. My AM6 run last year certainly made me less apologetic and less concerned with what people thought of me. It's tempting to do another run, but I also want to do a full run of OF. And by then, 6G will be getting closer...But it has to be said, it seems like AM could be the most impactful subliminal over the long-term.
(04-21-2024, 05:33 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ] (04-21-2024, 11:22 AM)Topaz Wrote: [ -> ]I'm super excited to just read what Shannon shared with us here!
Personally my father neglected me most of my life and didn't raised me as the man I should be.
I didn't have a father figure and I needed to try to have mentors instead some of them really helped me.
But still grew up to be fearful in a lot of situations and not independent as I should.
That with some health issues didn't help.
My first run of AM6 is obviously not enough to make the change I need but I can attest it still pushes me in the right direction even after I've finished my first run through.
I'll need more time focusing on that after I'll take sometime to deal with my limiting beliefs or to be honest fear of my own success with women.
Because I've already had a lot of success and it went away so quickly after I've stopped focusing on that consciously with affirmations.
I know Shannon says it's because the affirmations don't affect the subconscious mind as subliminals.
But I totally think it has more to do with fear of success and guilt I don't want to feel from others. For example I don't want people to be jealous of me...
Anyway it's a journey first thing first...
The only problem we have it the lack of time.
A run through can take 6-7 months then weeks of wait between programs.
It means it can take years.
For someone who started at age of 40+ that's not easy
That only makes it even more important to do it now. The more you break up your run-throughs of AM, the less effective each one will be. And you seem to b choosing to focus on the women and the sex, not the things you need to do and achieve to make those women and sex a natural side effect. That is the classic mistake all the guys make who don't really understand what's what. Focus on women, and they will slip through your grasp. Focus on yourself, and women will naturally and automatically choose you. You will have to turn them down, and that will only make them want you more. Trust me... I speak from personal experience.
Man I didn't have even 1 lay on AM which is my biggest disappointment of the program so far. It could be because of other reasons.
Because I know a friend who did have some success on the last few stages because of the leading to SM.
Still nothing special you've been with one girl that's not a lot for him.
So for me personally
That means I didn't have sex for more than a 8-9 months now.
You understand the frustrating I hope...
Therefore maybe a better thing would be to do something like AOS or BIATBW for a month or two without SM before my next run with the hope of that momentum will be a helpful force into AM6
Or do you think I still rather just jump head-on after OPH to AM?
Suggestions?
(04-21-2024, 09:19 PM)Topaz Wrote: [ -> ] (04-21-2024, 05:33 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]That only makes it even more important to do it now. The more you break up your run-throughs of AM, the less effective each one will be. And you seem to b choosing to focus on the women and the sex, not the things you need to do and achieve to make those women and sex a natural side effect. That is the classic mistake all the guys make who don't really understand what's what. Focus on women, and they will slip through your grasp. Focus on yourself, and women will naturally and automatically choose you. You will have to turn them down, and that will only make them want you more. Trust me... I speak from personal experience.
Man I didn't have even 1 lay on AM which is my biggest disappointment of the program so far. It could be because of other reasons.
Because I know a friend who did have some success on the last few stages because of the leading to SM.
Still nothing special you've been with one girl that's not a lot for him.
So for me personally
That means I didn't have sex for more than a 8-9 months now.
You understand the frustrating I hope...
Therefore maybe a better thing would be to do something like AOS or BIATBW for a month or two without SM before my next run with the hope of that momentum will be a helpful force into AM6
Or do you think I still rather just jump head-on after OPH to AM?
Suggestions?
Ask yourself what underlying belief that is causing you frustration due to not having had sex. For me, I've noticed that sex has worked as a validation, to feel like I'm worthy. When I didn't had sex for a while, this started to creep up on me. Working on the underlying issue has improved my well-being, and being able to feel self-worth without needing someone to have sex with me to feel it.
(04-21-2024, 09:19 PM)Topaz Wrote: [ -> ] (04-21-2024, 05:33 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]That only makes it even more important to do it now. The more you break up your run-throughs of AM, the less effective each one will be. And you seem to b choosing to focus on the women and the sex, not the things you need to do and achieve to make those women and sex a natural side effect. That is the classic mistake all the guys make who don't really understand what's what. Focus on women, and they will slip through your grasp. Focus on yourself, and women will naturally and automatically choose you. You will have to turn them down, and that will only make them want you more. Trust me... I speak from personal experience.
Man I didn't have even 1 lay on AM which is my biggest disappointment of the program so far. It could be because of other reasons.
Because I know a friend who did have some success on the last few stages because of the leading to SM.
Still nothing special you've been with one girl that's not a lot for him.
So for me personally
That means I didn't have sex for more than a 8-9 months now.
You understand the frustrating I hope...
Therefore maybe a better thing would be to do something like AOS or BIATBW for a month or two without SM before my next run with the hope of that momentum will be a helpful force into AM6
Or do you think I still rather just jump head-on after OPH to AM?
Suggestions?
Okay, so here's the deal. Most guys need 2-3 run-throughs of AM6 to achieve a good result. Not because the program doesn't work, but because most guys who need it have so much growth to do, and so much fear of that growth that slows them down.
If you're going into AM trying to get laid because you used it, then you're setting expectations that are working against the program's goals. Will AM get you laid? Yes - if you execute it. But not because the program is getting you laid. It happens as a natural result of what you become as a result of executing! AM itself focuses you inwardly, and away from women and sex (the last stage starts changing that because you're on the final polish). Women and sex are just a distraction from what it is trying to accomplish. What it is trying to accomplish is to build a strong masculine foundation. Women and sex are like the roof of the house. The house will fall apart under the weight of that roof if the foundation isn't made of a solid substance like concrete! You are chasing pussy, when that's the end game, not the foundation you need to get it.
Running AM isn't about getting laid. It's about self growth, self improvement and self mastery. Those things achieved, women will be offering you sex because you've got those qualities. Until you have those things achieved, you have to rely on temporary hacks.
What you do is up to you, but I'm telling you right here and now, you need to build that foundation before you can put the roof on the house.
In your shoes, I would run AM6 through all six stages again at least once, and most likely twice.