Subliminal Talk

(06-23-2025, 07:50 AM)StridingStrider Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon

How is DMSI development going?

It is making progress.  Right now I'm in the process of trying to figure out how to untangle the DMSI v4 script, since the 5.xxG DMSIs used a complex interweave with the skeleton script.  I have to separate the script of DMSI v4 from the script of the skeleton script first.  Then comes adjusting it so it doesn't conflict with Maverick anymore.  Once I have that done, I'll be making some significant decisions, most of which have been made so far, and then we build.  It may take a while, so don't hold your breath.

(06-23-2025, 05:00 PM)Eddie Morra Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-15-2025, 12:26 AM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]It's not necessarily that specific program, what he's talking about applies to 6g in general, since it works through whats in the way of the goal.



OGSF v3 would be a good start for you, what have you used so far?

I have used EHPRA V5 575.7G which is a good program. I know it has healing and OGSF in it. I know it doesn't have new technology. I tried OSC for about a month. I was always depressed, moody or angry the next day after using it. I am not working now and can't afford OGSF V3. Ben, I know you used this program, how long do you think it would take to get results that Shannon getting with his experiment program? I have trauma going back to being born with a crazy toxic mother who never wanted a kid. 3 months,6 Months or 1 year or more?

Eddie, when I started running this experimental I am testing, it took a month just to get to the start of execution.  It took another month to get to majority execution.  It was in month 4 that I got to full execution.

The programs in 6G are designed to achieve their goals no matter what it takes, but you have to use them for long enough to let it work you through whatever challenges it faces.  There were some very challenging and even painful days getting through the parts of me fighting this program.  What I am testing is attempting to get me to do something that I knew that a lot of me would resist.  Fight to the death, in fact, and it has.  Parts of me that held faulty beliefs which were holding me back have been transformed, and they fought tooth and nail because before the transformation, they were convinced that they were going to die.  No, not die - just change.  These things must be done at the right pace, the right speed, or else they will fail.  Too fast or too slow fails.  Sometimes, the right pace takes several months.

How long would it take you to get through your issues?  I can't say.  But I would suggest you run OSC periodically, and see if it makes progress each time.  And in the mean time, either find a way to seek therapy or counseling, or get a subscription to OGSF v3.

(06-24-2025, 01:00 AM)Hangman Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon

In HOWL do something about weight loss limit 
Increase it or something like Auto config according to body or the formula method used in previous weight loss subliminal like 2 to 3 kg per week

I had done that already, didn't want to comment until it was out.

(06-28-2025, 07:53 PM)ncbeareatingman Wrote: [ -> ]X4A-Premium ? Wow thats a new one....premium price too, I take it, as in  1,300$ ! Thats 650 X's 2 = 1,300 ( Maybe?)

While I AM on UMS3 + DRS 6G... I await  Youthing/Anti-aging whenever the time comes... the attraction titles will interest me as well.

Manifest/Attract your best beloved one/Lover/Mate ,etfc,etc,etc.

in 5.11G, a Premium had a MINIMUM price tag of $1,500.  It's higher than that in 6G for a Premium.

We have been in deep development and testing of the X4A Premium for a long time now.  Almost a year.  Four different versions of it have come and gone. getting better and better, but now I have to develop, build and test the fifth, and hopefully last, version.  The version that makes the final necessary improvements and adjustments.  


I'm currently working on two titles to release during July.  So the X4A Premium isn't getting the spotlight for my attention.  I don't know when it'll be out.  The X4A Premium will be aimed at heterosexual men trying to attract women specifically.  Unfortunately, in order to make it work, I had to make that choice because being less specific wasn't achieving the specific goals I have for the program.  Men and women just have way too much difference in how they need to be affected in order to get them to respond appropriately.

I am still working on Anti-Aging R&D.  That one can't start development soon enough.

(06-30-2025, 03:19 PM)ichigo Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Shannon,



I own SARM v1 and the premium SARM v2.1b.



If I wanted to use it to arouse myself only (so only I’m being exposed) for short term use (once per week max) which would be better?

It's better for you to try each on yourself and then give yourself a few days to observe the results, than for me to try to guess for you.

Quote:I was going to experiment combining it with DMSI to see if I can run DMSI while also achieving the high level of arousal that X4A provides. That would be the best of both worlds for me. Thank you!

Do not do that.  You will damage the results from both.

(07-01-2025, 08:30 AM)London1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-16-2025, 09:31 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]My apologies.  Please link me to your post.

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-OGSF-6g--11760

I have responded in your journal.

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-OGSF-...#pid268787

Shannon Wrote:I should be coming back to the forum more regularly now. 

The parts of me trying to resist my own testing have been trying to get me to hide from the forum, and it's become so normalized that now I have to remind myself for a bit to show up and do that. 

Not excuses, just explaining what's going on on my end.

Shannon, thanks for the whole response into my questions ,posted abouve yawl.

"I am still working on Anti-Aging R&D. That one can't start development soon enough. " <----- Shannon's quote!

How encouraging and inspiring.

(07-02-2025, 10:54 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-30-2025, 03:19 PM)ichigo Wrote: [ -> ]Hi Shannon,



I own SARM v1 and the premium SARM v2.1b.



If I wanted to use it to arouse myself only (so only I’m being exposed) for short term use (once per week max) which would be better?

It's better for you to try each on yourself and then give yourself a few days to observe the results, than for me to try to guess for you.

Quote:I was going to experiment combining it with DMSI to see if I can run DMSI while also achieving the high level of arousal that X4A provides. That would be the best of both worlds for me. Thank you!

Do not do that.  You will damage the results from both.

Okay got it, thanks Shannon.

It's a shame as DMSI is near perfect for me, it's just the lack of arousal. I'm quite a unique case in that I struggle to get full strength erections. X4A helps this, but DMSI hinders it. My theory is as X4A is an "arousal" aura it's also making me aroused, but as DMSI is "sexually attractive" aura for some reason in my case my subconscious doesn't interpret that as being arousing, but something different. It's more "sexy" and approachable. If I were to compare to pheromones, it's like X4A is androstenone and DMSI is a combo of androstadienone and other attractive/youthful pheromones. Dunno if that sounds plausible to you? Just sharing in case it helps you with DMSI 6G.

Are you able to share any more details about the features of X4A Premium and what it's design goals are that make it different from X4A 6G? Trying to work out if I should wait for it or go for DMSI 6G on release. Thanks again, appreciate your time with these questions.

Shannon,

I don't know if you concluded your research for AM7 yet, but I realized that you told me to remind you about a book I shared like 1 year ago.
The book is called Way of the Superior Man: A Spiritual Guide to Mastering the Challenges of Women, Work, and Sexual Desire 

I found it interesting how it managed to challenge me to think about radically changing my focus inward to my own happiness, and letting things come from that, rather than chasing things on the outside. It makes a pretty good job in combining the perspective on both a philosophical and physical level. Might give you some food for thought combined with the experience you've gathered so far.

Best of luck with your work on coming titles.

(07-02-2025, 12:05 PM)ichigo Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-02-2025, 10:54 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]It's better for you to try each on yourself and then give yourself a few days to observe the results, than for me to try to guess for you.













Do not do that.  You will damage the results from both.

Okay got it, thanks Shannon.



It's a shame as DMSI is near perfect for me, it's just the lack of arousal. I'm quite a unique case in that I struggle to get full strength erections. X4A helps this, but DMSI hinders it. My theory is as X4A is an "arousal" aura it's also making me aroused, but as DMSI is "sexually attractive" aura for some reason in my case my subconscious doesn't interpret that as being arousing, but something different. It's more "sexy" and approachable. If I were to compare to pheromones, it's like X4A is androstenone and DMSI is a combo of androstadienone and other attractive/youthful pheromones. Dunno if that sounds plausible to you? Just sharing in case it helps you with DMSI 6G.

DMSI and X4A have several integral differences.  Both trigger arousal in the user, but they do it in very different ways and thus, for very different reasons.  Both have an aura, but only X4A produces an arousal aura; DMSI uses an attraction aura.  That may be what is doing it, and there are other possibilities.  DMSI v5 is going to be created with minimal changes to the script of v4 so that we understand how it functions in 6G.  v5 may be the last version I create, and it may not.  If my work was on point then 6G should make it work well for the vast majority of users.  If there was some concept I got wrong or misunderstood, it may need to be adjusted and rebuilt.  Whether I build a v6 will depend partly on that and partly on other factors.  But v5 will be out for at least a year before I even think about whether or not there should be a v6 considered.  So don't get too hot for a v6.  It may or may not happen, and even if it does, it will be at least a year after v5 comes out.

Quote:Are you able to share any more details about the features of X4A Premium and what it's design goals are that make it different from X4A 6G? Trying to work out if I should wait for it or go for DMSI 6G on release. Thanks again, appreciate your time with these questions.

X4A as a Premium is going to have many more goals and thus a lot more scripting for it's key script.  Each goal is intended to adjust and refine the overall result and effect to better achieve the design goal. As we have done tests, we have observed various successes and issues, and so each revision of the script adds scripting to refine, improve and optimize the results we want to achieve, vs what we achieved in testing.

It will differ A LOT from X4A-1600.  First, we have been forced to reduce the range of people it will work for; now, it is designed to be used specifically  by men seeking to influence women. I believe I remember that 1600 was more open than that; perhaps my memory needs refreshing on that point.

The specific goal that the Premium has is getting women you want to have sex with, to have sex with you.  Sounds familiar, right?  But unlike DMSI, it's not trying to get her to initiate.  It's trying to arouse her sexually. As always, we do not take away anyone's free will.

It differs from 1600 in that through various revisions and testing, we have managed to find a LOT of issues (not issues with 1600, but with the prototypes vs what we were attempting to achieve) and fix them, as well as a lot of ways to improve on what 1600 does and how it works.  Thus, the script of the last variant tested had 93 goals, and the next variant will add between 2 and 14, depending on what passes modeling.  X4A-1600 has 22 goals.

The Premium version of X4A is going to be Premium partly because it's been in development behind the scenes for more than a year now, and  partly because it has required so much time, effort and expense to test it so aggressively.  We have thrown the harshest tests we could come up with at this thing. It is definitely getting a trial by fire.  It will also be because it is an extremely complex and intricate script that has been very difficult to develop, upgrade and optimize.  And because, quite frankly, I don't want just anyone to be able to get their hands on it.  I'd like to use the price as part of how I try to keep it out of the hands of those who aren't adult enough to use it legally or with sufficient maturity.  So it will not be available as a subscription.

This Premium will not be for everyone, and it will not be suitable for, or useful for, everyone.  But... for those it fits, it will be quite the eye opener, I think.

(07-02-2025, 12:31 PM)Johannesbrst Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon,

I don't know if you concluded your research for AM7 yet, but I realized that you told me to remind you about a book I shared like 1 year ago.
The book is called Way of the Superior Man: A Spiritual Guide to Mastering the Challenges of Women, Work, and Sexual Desire 

I found it interesting how it managed to challenge me to think about radically changing my focus inward to my own happiness, and letting things come from that, rather than chasing things on the outside. It makes a pretty good job in combining the perspective on both a philosophical and physical level. Might give you some food for thought combined with the experience you've gathered so far.

Best of luck with your work on coming titles.

Thank you for the reminder.

(07-02-2025, 07:56 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-02-2025, 12:05 PM)ichigo Wrote: [ -> ]Okay got it, thanks Shannon.



It's a shame as DMSI is near perfect for me, it's just the lack of arousal. I'm quite a unique case in that I struggle to get full strength erections. X4A helps this, but DMSI hinders it. My theory is as X4A is an "arousal" aura it's also making me aroused, but as DMSI is "sexually attractive" aura for some reason in my case my subconscious doesn't interpret that as being arousing, but something different. It's more "sexy" and approachable. If I were to compare to pheromones, it's like X4A is androstenone and DMSI is a combo of androstadienone and other attractive/youthful pheromones. Dunno if that sounds plausible to you? Just sharing in case it helps you with DMSI 6G.

DMSI and X4A have several integral differences.  Both trigger arousal in the user, but they do it in very different ways and thus, for very different reasons.  Both have an aura, but only X4A produces an arousal aura; DMSI uses an attraction aura.  That may be what is doing it, and there are other possibilities.  DMSI v5 is going to be created with minimal changes to the script of v4 so that we understand how it functions in 6G.  v5 may be the last version I create, and it may not.  If my work was on point then 6G should make it work well for the vast majority of users.  If there was some concept I got wrong or misunderstood, it may need to be adjusted and rebuilt.  Whether I build a v6 will depend partly on that and partly on other factors.  But v5 will be out for at least a year before I even think about whether or not there should be a v6 considered.  So don't get too hot for a v6.  It may or may not happen, and even if it does, it will be at least a year after v5 comes out.

Quote:Are you able to share any more details about the features of X4A Premium and what it's design goals are that make it different from X4A 6G? Trying to work out if I should wait for it or go for DMSI 6G on release. Thanks again, appreciate your time with these questions.

X4A as a Premium is going to have many more goals and thus a lot more scripting for it's key script.  Each goal is intended to adjust and refine the overall result and effect to better achieve the design goal. As we have done tests, we have observed various successes and issues, and so each revision of the script adds scripting to refine, improve and optimize the results we want to achieve, vs what we achieved in testing.

It will differ A LOT from X4A-1600.  First, we have been forced to reduce the range of people it will work for; now, it is designed to be used specifically  by men seeking to influence women. I believe I remember that 1600 was more open than that; perhaps my memory needs refreshing on that point.

The specific goal that the Premium has is getting women you want to have sex with, to have sex with you.  Sounds familiar, right?  But unlike DMSI, it's not trying to get her to initiate.  It's trying to arouse her sexually. As always, we do not take away anyone's free will. 

It differs from 1600 in that through various revisions and testing, we have managed to find a LOT of issues (not issues with 1600, but with the prototypes vs what we were attempting to achieve) and fix them, as well as a lot of ways to improve on what 1600 does and how it works.  Thus, the script of the last variant tested had 93 goals, and the next variant will add between 2 and 14, depending on what passes modeling.  X4A-1600 has 22 goals.

The Premium version of X4A is going to be Premium partly because it's been in development behind the scenes for more than a year now, and  partly because it has required so much time, effort and expense to test it so aggressively.  We have thrown the harshest tests we could come up with at this thing. It is definitely getting a trial by fire.  It will also be because it is an extremely complex and intricate script that has been very difficult to develop, upgrade and optimize.  And because, quite frankly, I don't want just anyone to be able to get their hands on it.  I'd like to use the price as part of how I try to keep it out of the hands of those who aren't adult enough to use it legally or with sufficient maturity.  So it will not be available as a subscription.

This Premium will not be for everyone, and it will not be suitable for, or useful for, everyone.  But... for those it fits, it will be quite the eye opener, I think.

Sounds exciting! Thank you.

Sorry, last question I promise! 

The only thing I wish X4A had was that they know the arousal is being specifically caused by you. Not that they are then “told” to act that out on you, they can continue to do whatever they want with their arousal, but at least when you’re arousing then in a place with multiple people / remotely via sight they know it’s you they’re being aroused by so someone can’t “steal” your arousal. Or they don’t think they’re just feeling extra horny today and don’t realise you’re the cause. With X4A I’ve noticed it takes multiple exposures for someone to realise you’re the cause of their arousal and to associate it with you, if they ever do at all.

Is this something the premium version is planned to include, or will it still only arouse without letting them know you’re the one that’s doing it? Cheers!

(07-02-2025, 10:09 PM)ichigo Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-02-2025, 07:56 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]DMSI and X4A have several integral differences.  Both trigger arousal in the user, but they do it in very different ways and thus, for very different reasons.  Both have an aura, but only X4A produces an arousal aura; DMSI uses an attraction aura.  That may be what is doing it, and there are other possibilities.  DMSI v5 is going to be created with minimal changes to the script of v4 so that we understand how it functions in 6G.  v5 may be the last version I create, and it may not.  If my work was on point then 6G should make it work well for the vast majority of users.  If there was some concept I got wrong or misunderstood, it may need to be adjusted and rebuilt.  Whether I build a v6 will depend partly on that and partly on other factors.  But v5 will be out for at least a year before I even think about whether or not there should be a v6 considered.  So don't get too hot for a v6.  It may or may not happen, and even if it does, it will be at least a year after v5 comes out.


X4A as a Premium is going to have many more goals and thus a lot more scripting for it's key script.  Each goal is intended to adjust and refine the overall result and effect to better achieve the design goal. As we have done tests, we have observed various successes and issues, and so each revision of the script adds scripting to refine, improve and optimize the results we want to achieve, vs what we achieved in testing.

It will differ A LOT from X4A-1600.  First, we have been forced to reduce the range of people it will work for; now, it is designed to be used specifically  by men seeking to influence women. I believe I remember that 1600 was more open than that; perhaps my memory needs refreshing on that point.

The specific goal that the Premium has is getting women you want to have sex with, to have sex with you.  Sounds familiar, right?  But unlike DMSI, it's not trying to get her to initiate.  It's trying to arouse her sexually. As always, we do not take away anyone's free will. 

It differs from 1600 in that through various revisions and testing, we have managed to find a LOT of issues (not issues with 1600, but with the prototypes vs what we were attempting to achieve) and fix them, as well as a lot of ways to improve on what 1600 does and how it works.  Thus, the script of the last variant tested had 93 goals, and the next variant will add between 2 and 14, depending on what passes modeling.  X4A-1600 has 22 goals.

The Premium version of X4A is going to be Premium partly because it's been in development behind the scenes for more than a year now, and  partly because it has required so much time, effort and expense to test it so aggressively.  We have thrown the harshest tests we could come up with at this thing. It is definitely getting a trial by fire.  It will also be because it is an extremely complex and intricate script that has been very difficult to develop, upgrade and optimize.  And because, quite frankly, I don't want just anyone to be able to get their hands on it.  I'd like to use the price as part of how I try to keep it out of the hands of those who aren't adult enough to use it legally or with sufficient maturity.  So it will not be available as a subscription.

This Premium will not be for everyone, and it will not be suitable for, or useful for, everyone.  But... for those it fits, it will be quite the eye opener, I think.

Sounds exciting! Thank you.

Sorry, last question I promise! 

The only thing I wish X4A had was that they know the arousal is being specifically caused by you. Not that they are then “told” to act that out on you, they can continue to do whatever they want with their arousal, but at least when you’re arousing then in a place with multiple people / remotely via sight they know it’s you they’re being aroused by so someone can’t “steal” your arousal. Or they don’t think they’re just feeling extra horny today and don’t realise you’re the cause. With X4A I’ve noticed it takes multiple exposures for someone to realise you’re the cause of their arousal and to associate it with you, if they ever do at all.

Is this something the premium version is planned to include, or will it still only arouse without letting them know you’re the one that’s doing it? Cheers!

It will probably always take multiple exposures for the majority to realize who they are responding to, but the more powerful we make it, the faster they realize it.  I have seen that the last prototype tended to result in realization within 20-60 minutes, if you were in their presence that long. Some take 2-3 exposures.  Some take more.  Part of what happens depends on how long they're in your presence each time, and how long they go between having exposure to you.  I'm not sure there's a way to make it faster without causing backlash, but I'll look at that for the next variant.