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(08-24-2024, 11:50 PM)Johannesbrst Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon, this maybe is a stupid question, but is it possible to feel fully at ease and good about yourself even if you don't have a girl in your life? I'm currently struggling with this, not feeling worthy or how I should put it due to not having any girl that appreciates me right now. Just want to know if it's possible to reach a place where I feel like I don't need a girl to feel good about myself. Currently running E6, could that help me reach this state of mind?

Absolutely.  The key is that you don't define yourself by whether you have a girl in your life.  E6 is a good choice, but you'll also want to focus on trying to find where you got the idea that you're not good enough without a girl in your life.  Have you ever run AM6, by the way?
(08-24-2024, 07:49 PM)thectexperience1 Wrote: [ -> ]Do you still think UMS 5.75.7G is the #1 pick for those seeking long-term success and willing to put in the time to get it?

UMS and Money Magnet are close in this regard, and they are close because while UMS has a better script for long term success, MM is in a newer gen of tech.  But at the same time they hve a different focus.  UMS was designed for long term use/success, where MM was designed for short to medium term use/success.  I didn't use MM long enough to know how it would work for long term success.  If I were going to pick between them, all things being equal otherwise, I would choose to run UMS.  But MM was going some pretty eye opening things for me when I was forced to stop using it.  So let me say... what UMS is designed to do... I like better than what MM is designed  to do.

Either one is a solid pick still, and it's almost certainly going to be more than 6 months before I can build UMS v3 in 6G.  So there's no worries about that.
Thanks so much for setting that straight. I'll be moving onto one of the two once I am finished with OF.
(08-21-2024, 01:41 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-21-2024, 10:39 AM)callie Wrote: [ -> ]It feels like ages ago since I used OGSFv1, and I don’t remember much, except that it was similar to what I’ve experienced with E6 on and off since I increased the volume in ultrasonic. To give a short example, it feels like the part of me that’s been repressed and exiled starts to hate everything about myself. This often manifests in my dreams, where someone goes into a hateful rage and tries to kill me. Then I start hating them back and try to defend myself, usually ending up killing that part of me in the dream. I then wake up feeling absolutely devastated. It's like the part of me that needs to be integrated and healed ends up becoming even more isolated instead. This creates tension in my body and insane pressure in my head, and triggers all kinds of strange physical symptoms. I feels like my psyche is at war, and I believe the physical issues are are the psychosomatic effects of that

When I’ve felt healing, that isolated part in my dreams approaches me, and we’re able to reason with each other, eventually feeling sorry for one another. It’s strange. These moments usually occur long after I’ve quit using the sub, as a sort of blooming effect. This also suggests to me that the pacing was too aggressive while using the sub.


I am sensitive. I feel things deeply. So that is a very likely conclusion, imo. 

As for E6, I actually switched to masked format recently. And things have been manageable again, which is good.

What are you doing to get help from professional sources?

I don't have professional help, haven’t had much success with it before. I am going to look for a therapist soon enough, though

As for the dream example I gave you, those kinds of dreams almost only happen when I use ultrasonic for too long

What really bothers me is that ever since something in my subconscious shut down after using OGSFv1, no subliminal has worked the way they used to. Given the current state of my subconscious, I think the instructions might not be a good fit for me with E6. By the fifth day of listening, it starts to feel like too much. Going into the rest days, I’m either in a state of resistance or feel over-pressurized, depending on which format I use. Perhaps subliminals aren’t for me anymore, as you pointed out, or maybe I just need to tweak my listening patterns to better suit me. Reducing the days ON to 4 instead of 5 comes to mind. Do you think that’s worth a try?
(08-26-2024, 06:39 AM)callie Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-21-2024, 01:41 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]What are you doing to get help from professional sources?

I don't have professional help, haven’t had much success with it before. I am going to look for a therapist soon enough, though

As for the dream example I gave you, those kinds of dreams almost only happen when I use ultrasonic for too long

What really bothers me is that ever since something in my subconscious shut down after using OGSFv1, no subliminal has worked the way they used to. Given the current state of my subconscious, I think the instructions might not be a good fit for me with E6. By the fifth day of listening, it starts to feel like too much. Going into the rest days, I’m either in a state of resistance or feel over-pressurized, depending on which format I use. Perhaps subliminals aren’t for me anymore, as you pointed out, or maybe I just need to tweak my listening patterns to better suit me. Reducing the days ON to 4 instead of 5 comes to mind. Do you think that’s worth a try?

I've noticed a pattern with you, and please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that you tend to resist so hard that you conclude that you should use it less and less and use the most gentle settings trying to make it work, that it ends up failing because there's not enough to make it work.  Has that been your experience so far?  Or am I mis-remembering?

I suggested professional help because of this.  If the pattern above is correct, then what you're doing is resisting by making it too painful to achieve the necessary change, and self sabotaging to protect what's causing the issues you're trying to solve.  It is a cycle that will always end the same way if you don't change something.

Since I'm not a licensed psychiatrist or psychologist, and I cannot spend the time necessary to try to fully understand your unique challenge here regardless, a professional source of help is your best bet.  It does not surprise me that you haven't had much success with it before, because quite frankly, the entire field of psychology is a bit of a mess right now.  But that doesn't mean you should give up.  It means you just need to keep looking for the right therapist, psychologist, psychiatrist, hypnotherapist, NLP specialist or other practitioner, and right approach.

Given what I have seen, I suggest you aim for in-person consultation, diagnosis and therapy.

Now then, if what I said at the top is not correct, then that laves us with some options for trying to find a way forward with subliminals still.

So it comes down to... are you in a repeating cycle of subconsciously self sabotaging when you try to use subliminals to help yourself?
(08-26-2024, 01:51 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2024, 06:39 AM)callie Wrote: [ -> ]I don't have professional help, haven’t had much success with it before. I am going to look for a therapist soon enough, though

As for the dream example I gave you, those kinds of dreams almost only happen when I use ultrasonic for too long

What really bothers me is that ever since something in my subconscious shut down after using OGSFv1, no subliminal has worked the way they used to. Given the current state of my subconscious, I think the instructions might not be a good fit for me with E6. By the fifth day of listening, it starts to feel like too much. Going into the rest days, I’m either in a state of resistance or feel over-pressurized, depending on which format I use. Perhaps subliminals aren’t for me anymore, as you pointed out, or maybe I just need to tweak my listening patterns to better suit me. Reducing the days ON to 4 instead of 5 comes to mind. Do you think that’s worth a try?

I've noticed a pattern with you, and please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that you tend to resist so hard that you conclude that you should use it less and less and use the most gentle settings trying to make it work, that it ends up failing because there's not enough to make it work.  Has that been your experience so far?  Or am I mis-remembering?

I suggested professional help because of this.  If the pattern above is correct, then what you're doing is resisting by making it too painful to achieve the necessary change, and self sabotaging to protect what's causing the issues you're trying to solve.  It is a cycle that will always end the same way if you don't change something.

Since I'm not a licensed psychiatrist or psychologist, and I cannot spend the time necessary to try to fully understand your unique challenge here regardless, a professional source of help is your best bet.  It does not surprise me that you haven't had much success with it before, because quite frankly, the entire field of psychology is a bit of a mess right now.  But that doesn't mean you should give up.  It means you just need to keep looking for the right therapist, psychologist, psychiatrist, hypnotherapist, NLP specialist or other practitioner, and right approach.

Given what I have seen, I suggest you aim for in-person consultation, diagnosis and therapy.

Now then, if what I said at the top is not correct, then that laves us with some options for trying to find a way forward with subliminals still.

So it comes down to... are you in a repeating cycle of subconsciously self sabotaging when you try to use subliminals to help yourself?

Yes, I see why you would think that. I’m aware of this pattern too, and in the past I think that has definitely been self sabotage. However, over time I’ve developed greater self-awareness. Now I can better distinguish between the kind of resistance I can overcome by increasing exposure, and a threshold that feels forced or too aggressive, which I've learned not to push past. With OFv4 and OGsfv1, I ignored that intuitive feeling and tried to push through it, which led to increasing dissociation, among other issues. I've noticed that during the second and third listening cycles of E6, by the fifth day things start to feel slightly forced, and deeper issues always seem to arise when I ignore that feeling by listening anyway. So, my decision to reduce to four days is simply based on these observations. Perhaps I’m wrong, although I don't think so. If you think I cannot overcome this without following the instructions to a tee, then I fully accept that subliminals are not for me and that I need focus on other solutions

I believe there could be a compromise in how I listen and still make it work. If I didn't believe this, I wouldn't keep reaching out to you with my concerns. I understand that I’m probably frustrating you by continually bringing up problems and also taking up valuable time from you and others. I apologize for that. I’m just very determined to resolve my issues at this point, even if it means pushing some boundaries. Lastly, I want to mention that I do have positive experiences too; sometimes I have days where I feel very good

I am going to try one more cycle and see how things go
(08-27-2024, 11:06 AM)callie Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-26-2024, 01:51 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I've noticed a pattern with you, and please feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that you tend to resist so hard that you conclude that you should use it less and less and use the most gentle settings trying to make it work, that it ends up failing because there's not enough to make it work.  Has that been your experience so far?  Or am I mis-remembering?

I suggested professional help because of this.  If the pattern above is correct, then what you're doing is resisting by making it too painful to achieve the necessary change, and self sabotaging to protect what's causing the issues you're trying to solve.  It is a cycle that will always end the same way if you don't change something.

Since I'm not a licensed psychiatrist or psychologist, and I cannot spend the time necessary to try to fully understand your unique challenge here regardless, a professional source of help is your best bet.  It does not surprise me that you haven't had much success with it before, because quite frankly, the entire field of psychology is a bit of a mess right now.  But that doesn't mean you should give up.  It means you just need to keep looking for the right therapist, psychologist, psychiatrist, hypnotherapist, NLP specialist or other practitioner, and right approach.

Given what I have seen, I suggest you aim for in-person consultation, diagnosis and therapy.

Now then, if what I said at the top is not correct, then that laves us with some options for trying to find a way forward with subliminals still.

So it comes down to... are you in a repeating cycle of subconsciously self sabotaging when you try to use subliminals to help yourself?

Yes, I see why you would think that. I’m aware of this pattern too, and in the past I think that has definitely been self sabotage. However, over time I’ve developed greater self-awareness. Now I can better distinguish between the kind of resistance I can overcome by increasing exposure, and a threshold that feels forced or too aggressive, which I've learned not to push past. With OFv4 and OGsfv1, I ignored that intuitive feeling and tried to push through it, which led to increasing dissociation, among other issues. I've noticed that during the second and third listening cycles of E6, by the fifth day things start to feel slightly forced, and deeper issues always seem to arise when I ignore that feeling by listening anyway. So, my decision to reduce to four days is simply based on these observations. Perhaps I’m wrong, although I don't think so. If you think I cannot overcome this without following the instructions to a tee, then I fully accept that subliminals are not for me and that I need focus on other solutions

I believe there could be a compromise in how I listen and still make it work. If I didn't believe this, I wouldn't keep reaching out to you with my concerns. I understand that I’m probably frustrating you by continually bringing up problems and also taking up valuable time from you and others. I apologize for that. I’m just very determined to resolve my issues at this point, even if it means pushing some boundaries. Lastly, I want to mention that I do have positive experiences too; sometimes I have days where I feel very good

I am going to try one more cycle and see how things go

You are not frustrating me.  I am simply unsure how to help you based on what I have seen.  I am always here to help a customer if I can, but when I don't know how it gets difficult.

It is entirely possible to achieve the program goals by using the AutoConfig, which is designed to guide you to how best to use the program.  Aside from that, I would have to run your case through the models.  That is something I reserve for cases where there is no other option, which would include your case.  However, lately I am having a lot of difficulty getting the models to stabilize.  I would prefer to wait than give you an answer I am unsure of. 

In the mean time, given what you've said, perhaps following your intuitive experience of what works best is the way to go.  How has that gone in the past?
(08-24-2024, 05:31 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-24-2024, 11:35 AM)dweller94 Wrote: [ -> ]@Shannon

In two minds, what do you recommend from the two programs:

Do I get this: Ultra Success 5.11G (Type A/B/C/D Hybrid) or Ultra Success Luck Magnifier v5.0 (5.11G - Type A/B/C/D) ?

I ask because on the program page you've wrote: "You might be wondering why I would remove the luck magnifier. Simply put, it was causing problems. Part of the issue is that everyone has a different definition of what "luck" is. Part of the issue is that people tend to stop taking personal responsibility for their choices and actions when "luck" is introduced, and they stop trying to achieve success; instead, they stand around waiting for golden eggs to magically fall into their lap because "luck". That seriously damages the results they could have achieved if they had put in the responsibility and effort that success requires".

I personally prefer US to USLM.  Partly for the reasons outlined, and partly because for me, US is more focused on success (instead of trying to magnify what we call "luck as well) and therefore effective.

Not everyone has that experience.

If you cannot decide, then you would want to consider the following:

1. US is more focused than USLM.
2. Most people who run USLM tend to stop trying as much because they're waiting for "luck" to drop it in their laps; thus, by their choice to be less active and assertive, they actually become less successful.
3. While it is not specifically stated, US is somewhat more advanced than USLM because it came out later. 
4. US has a completely different Key Script (what makes the program achieve the primary goals of the program) which was created entirely from scratch for that title.

If you are a big believer in luck and you think you can use the program without defeating it by becoming lazy and waiting for "luck" to do everything, then maybe USLM is for you.

But even so, US is more focused and has a completely different script.  USLM uses a script that was upgraded and optimized over and over since ~2005, but held the same set of original concepts and goals.  US 5.11G gets a completely new script with new concepts and goals.

My preference has always been for US alone.  That's not to say I haven't used and benefited from USLM; in fact that program has helped me get through some of the toughest times I have had to deal with.  The "Luck Magnifier" part tends to be most useful for countering  circumstances outside of your control, in my experience, as opposed to having good things just land in your lap. 

Ultimately, I cannot decide for you, but I would say, unless you have a lot of things going wrong for you that are largely or completely outside your control that you need help countering, I would go for US.  If you do have lots of things working against you and going wrong that are outside of your control, USLM may be more useful.

Thank you for your explanation; it clarified some things for me. When you mentioned that "The 'Luck Magnifier' tends to be most useful for countering circumstances outside of your control, rather than simply attracting good things," it really resonated with me. I have gone for USLM, will see how it goes.

I'm planning to run the hybrid track today, even though I've been using the ultrasonic version, I feel an urge, and this will be the fourth consecutive day. I also feel an urge to get back into goal setting. I used to write my goals down daily but stopped. Should I start doing this again? If I write them down or create a plan, will the program support this? I want to complement the program, not derail it.
Hi @Shannon, may I suggest a title regarding Creative Freedom?

I don't know exactly how it would play out, but I think it can be a very powerful experience for anyone who's into creative works.
(08-27-2024, 09:25 PM)dweller94 Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-24-2024, 05:31 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I personally prefer US to USLM.  Partly for the reasons outlined, and partly because for me, US is more focused on success (instead of trying to magnify what we call "luck as well) and therefore effective.

Not everyone has that experience.

If you cannot decide, then you would want to consider the following:

1. US is more focused than USLM.
2. Most people who run USLM tend to stop trying as much because they're waiting for "luck" to drop it in their laps; thus, by their choice to be less active and assertive, they actually become less successful.
3. While it is not specifically stated, US is somewhat more advanced than USLM because it came out later. 
4. US has a completely different Key Script (what makes the program achieve the primary goals of the program) which was created entirely from scratch for that title.

If you are a big believer in luck and you think you can use the program without defeating it by becoming lazy and waiting for "luck" to do everything, then maybe USLM is for you.

But even so, US is more focused and has a completely different script.  USLM uses a script that was upgraded and optimized over and over since ~2005, but held the same set of original concepts and goals.  US 5.11G gets a completely new script with new concepts and goals.

My preference has always been for US alone.  That's not to say I haven't used and benefited from USLM; in fact that program has helped me get through some of the toughest times I have had to deal with.  The "Luck Magnifier" part tends to be most useful for countering  circumstances outside of your control, in my experience, as opposed to having good things just land in your lap. 

Ultimately, I cannot decide for you, but I would say, unless you have a lot of things going wrong for you that are largely or completely outside your control that you need help countering, I would go for US.  If you do have lots of things working against you and going wrong that are outside of your control, USLM may be more useful.

Thank you for your explanation; it clarified some things for me. When you mentioned that "The 'Luck Magnifier' tends to be most useful for countering circumstances outside of your control, rather than simply attracting good things," it really resonated with me. I have gone for USLM, will see how it goes.

I'm planning to run the hybrid track today, even though I've been using the ultrasonic version, I feel an urge, and this will be the fourth consecutive day. I also feel an urge to get back into goal setting. I used to write my goals down daily but stopped. Should I start doing this again? If I write them down or create a plan, will the program support this? I want to complement the program, not derail it.

Brother I’ve used both and I can LM works extremely well. You’ll find yourself having really “lucky” scenarios just manifest out of thin air. Right place right time sort of thing. Especially in the first month of usage.

Only down side is that you become lazy. Exactly as Shannon said you tend to lean on Lady Luck too much almost to the point of waiting for luck so you can become successful. I experienced exactly this as well. 

US is cool too. Different but good. I had more positive mood boosts and intrinsic happiness on USLM but US by itself made me more focused on personal development goals. I seemingly had unending motivation to learn about certain topics and engage in wellness activities. By definition these are what I would call success. 

Aim to use in the short term. I find a switch up is needed and if you’re getting lazy just give it a wash out.
Just a suggestion for future Shannon

How about a subliminal for “paradigm shift”

I know Maverick touches on it by helping the user observe all the unwritten rules surrounding the user and enabling them to break free and sky rocket up wards

But my thoughts here are towards the Einstein saying “we can not solve a problem thinking in the same paradigm which created it, we must go to a higher paradigm”

We have all had epiphanies at certain points in our lives which really are an awakening to a higher paradigm. Sometime we look back on life and wonder why we would ever behave like we used to because we exist now in an elevated vantage point of view.

My idea here transcends any one subliminal and may lends itself towards a way of thinking where the user is able to recognise their own patterns and engage with a higher paradigm of being hence achieving what one would call “enlightenment” or at least be on the road towards it

Food for thought Smile
(08-28-2024, 04:35 AM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]Just a suggestion for future Shannon

How about a subliminal for “paradigm shift”

I know Maverick touches on it by helping the user observe all the unwritten rules surrounding the user and enabling them to break free and sky rocket up wards

But my thoughts here are towards the Einstein saying “we can not solve a problem thinking in the same paradigm which created it, we must go to a higher paradigm”

We have all had epiphanies at certain points in our lives which really are an awakening to a higher paradigm. Sometime we look back on life and wonder why we would ever behave like we used to because we exist now in an elevated vantage point of view.

My idea here transcends any one subliminal and may lends itself towards a way of thinking where the user is able to recognise their own patterns and engage with a higher paradigm of being hence achieving what one would call “enlightenment” or at least be on the road towards it

Food for thought Smile

Isn't that what kind of all subliminals aim to achieve in one way or another? Wink
(08-27-2024, 09:25 PM)dweller94 Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-24-2024, 05:31 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]I personally prefer US to USLM.  Partly for the reasons outlined, and partly because for me, US is more focused on success (instead of trying to magnify what we call "luck as well) and therefore effective.

Not everyone has that experience.

If you cannot decide, then you would want to consider the following:

1. US is more focused than USLM.
2. Most people who run USLM tend to stop trying as much because they're waiting for "luck" to drop it in their laps; thus, by their choice to be less active and assertive, they actually become less successful.
3. While it is not specifically stated, US is somewhat more advanced than USLM because it came out later. 
4. US has a completely different Key Script (what makes the program achieve the primary goals of the program) which was created entirely from scratch for that title.

If you are a big believer in luck and you think you can use the program without defeating it by becoming lazy and waiting for "luck" to do everything, then maybe USLM is for you.

But even so, US is more focused and has a completely different script.  USLM uses a script that was upgraded and optimized over and over since ~2005, but held the same set of original concepts and goals.  US 5.11G gets a completely new script with new concepts and goals.

My preference has always been for US alone.  That's not to say I haven't used and benefited from USLM; in fact that program has helped me get through some of the toughest times I have had to deal with.  The "Luck Magnifier" part tends to be most useful for countering  circumstances outside of your control, in my experience, as opposed to having good things just land in your lap. 

Ultimately, I cannot decide for you, but I would say, unless you have a lot of things going wrong for you that are largely or completely outside your control that you need help countering, I would go for US.  If you do have lots of things working against you and going wrong that are outside of your control, USLM may be more useful.

Thank you for your explanation; it clarified some things for me. When you mentioned that "The 'Luck Magnifier' tends to be most useful for countering circumstances outside of your control, rather than simply attracting good things," it really resonated with me. I have gone for USLM, will see how it goes.

I'm planning to run the hybrid track today, even though I've been using the ultrasonic version, I feel an urge, and this will be the fourth consecutive day. I also feel an urge to get back into goal setting. I used to write my goals down daily but stopped. Should I start doing this again? If I write them down or create a plan, will the program support this? I want to complement the program, not derail it.

You feel that urge because the program is working.  It supports you doing what will lead you to success, which means yes, do whatever you can to engage and support those goals and achieve success.  Th program is open-ended so you can define success and what that means for and to you.  You can only derail it by working against your own success.
(08-28-2024, 03:20 AM)Giacomonos Wrote: [ -> ]Hi @Shannon, may I suggest a title regarding Creative Freedom?

I don't know exactly how it would play out, but I think it can be a very powerful experience for anyone who's into creative works.

Noted.  Thank you for the suggestion.  I've been contemplating a similar concept for a while, and how to implement it, but it's got to be properly balanced and I haven't yet worked out exactly how to do that yet.