Subliminal Talk

Hey Shannon, congrats on making it all the way to 6G! I didn't think you'd get there this fast! It's amazing how fast you upgrade your tech \m/

(02-05-2024, 04:54 AM)Topaz Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Shannon, I have a question about the new EHPRA!
It looks like it has so many features honestly I want to jump during the SM3 but I had a discussion with Frosted maybe you read it on my journal

Basically he thinks I might not have the best foundation for SM3 (which I want to do sooner than later because at some point I want a family)

So he suggested to look OGSF2 which I did,
And then I saw the new EHPRA6 is out

Now it does say EHPRA6 contains OGSF is it OGSF2 or 1? I mean if I might take that route become jumping on board with SM3 I want to know what is the difference between them and what's a better choice
Even though I'm pretty impatient and would probably just continue with SM3
But will see

What's your advice
Thanks

My impression is that it's neither as it's EPRHA v5 upgraded to the latest technology and the newer OGSF wasn't out then. So it's the older version of OGSF (there was a 5g version) upgraded, so quite a bit different. Someone had asked what about EPRHA and the current OGSF combined and he said that would be a massive script and my not be doable.

(02-05-2024, 08:32 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Shannon, congrats on making it all the way to 6G! I didn't think you'd get there this fast! It's amazing how fast you upgrade your tech \m/

So fast?  I have been working on upgrading 5G to 6G since 2012!  That's fast?!  It took 2 solid years of just contemplating how to implement the last step... that's fast?  lol

(02-05-2024, 09:51 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2024, 04:54 AM)Topaz Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Shannon, I have a question about the new EHPRA!
It looks like it has so many features honestly I want to jump during the SM3 but I had a discussion with Frosted maybe you read it on my journal

Basically he thinks I might not have the best foundation for SM3 (which I want to do sooner than later because at some point I want a family)

So he suggested to look OGSF2 which I did,
And then I saw the new EHPRA6 is out

Now it does say EHPRA6 contains OGSF is it OGSF2 or 1? I mean if I might take that route become jumping on board with SM3 I want to know what is the difference between them and what's a better choice
Even though I'm pretty impatient and would probably just continue with SM3
But will see

What's your advice
Thanks

My impression is that it's neither as it's EPRHA v5 upgraded to the latest technology and the newer OGSF wasn't out then. So it's the older version of OGSF (there was a 5g version) upgraded, so quite a bit different. Someone had asked what about EPRHA and the current OGSF combined and he said that would be a massive script and my not be doable.

If you're wondering whether you should go for OGSF v2 or EHPRA v6, ask yourself this: Is your goal to eliminate guilt, shame and or fear specifically, or do you need a more broad spectrum situation dealt with?  If it's the former, go with OGSF v2.  If it's the latter, go with E6.

OGSF v2 is built with advancements and adjustments that I could not add to the E5 script in upgrading it to E6 for space constraint reasons.  E6 has the biggest script I have ever attempted to build, at ~500 pages long.  (How in hell did he manage to pack 500 pages of audio into a 15 minute playtime?!) So E6 is a great program and it is incredibly powerful, but it's a broad spectrum approach, something roughly like a shotgun.  It will deal with a wide variety of issues all at once.  OGSF v2 is closer to a rifle.  It is much more specific in what it's targeting, and has a bigger punch on those specific goals.  

If your issue is primarily with guilt, shame and or fear, then OGSF v2 is probably a better choice, but I don't think you can really go wrong with either one.

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(02-05-2024, 10:58 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2024, 09:51 PM)Benjamin Wrote: [ -> ]My impression is that it's neither as it's EPRHA v5 upgraded to the latest technology and the newer OGSF wasn't out then. So it's the older version of OGSF (there was a 5g version) upgraded, so quite a bit different. Someone had asked what about EPRHA and the current OGSF combined and he said that would be a massive script and my not be doable.

If you're wondering whether you should go for OGSF v2 or EHPRA v6, ask yourself this: Is your goal to eliminate guilt, shame and or fear specifically, or do you need a more broad spectrum situation dealt with?  If it's the former, go with OGSF v2.  If it's the latter, go with E6.

OGSF v2 is built with advancements and adjustments that I could not add to the E5 script in upgrading it to E6 for space constraint reasons.  E6 has the biggest script I have ever attempted to build, at ~500 pages long.  (How in hell did he manage to pack 500 pages of audio into a 15 minute playtime?!)  So E6 is a great program and it is incredibly powerful, but it's a broad spectrum approach, something roughly like a shotgun.  It will deal with a wide variety of issues all at once.  OGSF v2 is closer to a rifle.  It is much more specific in what it's targeting, and has a bigger punch on those specific goals.  

If your issue is primarily with guilt, shame and or fear, then OGSF v2 is probably a better choice, but I don't think you can really go wrong with either one.

Thank you for clarifying

Another question I have is whether AM6, SM3, and WM2 contain some form of OGSF within them? I guess it's different, not the same, but I'm still wondering...

(02-05-2024, 10:52 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2024, 08:32 PM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: [ -> ]Hey Shannon, congrats on making it all the way to 6G! I didn't think you'd get there this fast! It's amazing how fast you upgrade your tech \m/

So fast?  I have been working on upgrading 5G to 6G since 2012!  That's fast?!  It took 2 solid years of just contemplating how to implement the last step... that's fast?  lol

Oh shit. I didn't know that. My bad LOL

I thought you were just working on it for the past couple of years. My bad.

(02-06-2024, 01:32 AM)Topaz Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2024, 10:58 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]If you're wondering whether you should go for OGSF v2 or EHPRA v6, ask yourself this: Is your goal to eliminate guilt, shame and or fear specifically, or do you need a more broad spectrum situation dealt with?  If it's the former, go with OGSF v2.  If it's the latter, go with E6.

OGSF v2 is built with advancements and adjustments that I could not add to the E5 script in upgrading it to E6 for space constraint reasons.  E6 has the biggest script I have ever attempted to build, at ~500 pages long.  (How in hell did he manage to pack 500 pages of audio into a 15 minute playtime?!)  So E6 is a great program and it is incredibly powerful, but it's a broad spectrum approach, something roughly like a shotgun.  It will deal with a wide variety of issues all at once.  OGSF v2 is closer to a rifle.  It is much more specific in what it's targeting, and has a bigger punch on those specific goals.  

If your issue is primarily with guilt, shame and or fear, then OGSF v2 is probably a better choice, but I don't think you can really go wrong with either one.

Thank you for clarifying

Another question I have is whether AM6, SM3, and WM2 contain some form of OGSF within them? I guess it's different, not the same, but I'm still wondering...

AM6 has a very primitive (compared to anything I have released in the last ~5 years) form of OGSF in it.  It's also not anywhere near the same level of power, in 5G vs 5.75G and later is a huge difference.

(02-06-2024, 04:16 AM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-05-2024, 10:52 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]So fast?  I have been working on upgrading 5G to 6G since 2012!  That's fast?!  It took 2 solid years of just contemplating how to implement the last step... that's fast?  lol

Oh shit. I didn't know that. My bad LOL

I thought you were just working on it for the past couple of years. My bad.

In 2011 or 2012, I released AM6, and that showed me definitively that 5G wasn't powerful enough, there was something else needed.  So I decided that if I was going to build yet another generation of tech, I was going to do it only once more, since I was tired of building the library out in a generation only to have that interrupted by a new generation, and having to start all over again.

5G was powerful enough to force the subconscious to show its hand when it came to resisting what it didn't like or was afraid of enough for me to identify what was happening, so I could work towards overcoming that.  But it wasn't powerful enough to overcome some of those things.  I started working on developing 6th Generation tech, and the goal was to make it so advanced that I could not reasonably advance it again for 5 to 10 years after developing it, at least.  That would give me time to rebuild the entire library in one generation, and maybe allow me time to do other things than spend all my time every day working on developing the techniques and technology.  

This was much more challenging, and therefore took much longer, than I initially expected, and somewhere between 2014 and 2017 I think it was, I realized that I had to release some new stuff, so I started building with what I had developed, which I called 5.5G (because I knew I wasn't finished developing it yet).  5.5G proved to be much more powerful than 5G.  In some directions, it was amazing, but in some directions was also much better at triggering resistance behavior and self sabotage than anything that had come before it.  This showed me that once again, I had made the programs more powerful, but I had also not yet made them powerful enough.  This also coincided with some rough times for me, and we ended up losing a lot of customers because of a persistent misunderstanding and me being unable to do much about the resistance problem at that time.  

I'm working with the "subconscious" awareness, something I cannot hear, smell, taste, touch or see, and it's very challenging to tease out what's going on and how to deal with it from the feedback that I get.  Not just because I don't get much feedback, but because everyone's subconscious is effectively running on a different operating system which is built from different sets of instructions, which have resulted from different sets of experiences and belief systems.  This takes a lot of time, and the results of 5.5G for some of my customers essentially had me pinned against a wall with unhappy customers with no knowledge of how to solve the problem and not nearly enough time to figure out the answer before they became upset and left.

I kept working, and eventually another major release showed up, 5.75G.  This one was much more powerful than 5.5G and worked much better for getting past and preventing resistance and self sabotage, but it wasn't perfect either, and so I kept working.  This resulted in a series of seven major breakthroughs which became 5.75.1, .2, .3, .4, .5, .6 and .7 sub-generations.  5.75.7G was where I started being really impressed and I wondered if we were close to finished.

But nope.  Then I made another major advancement that led to 5.8G (which required inventing a new way of building these programs entirely), and I knew we were getting closer, but when I had another breakthrough that resulted in 5.9G it became apparent that we weren't finished yet so I just went with it.  5.9G also required inventing an new way to build the programs.

5.10G represented another major breakthrough, and required major changes to how 5.9G was built, but it was quickly superceeded by another major breakthrough, so fast that only one program ever got built in 5.10G.  5.11G is a significant step up yet again, and again required a big change in how these programs are built be created.

In the background, I have been making minor advancements, which is why we are at 5.11.3G, but the next major advancement is going to be 6G because now I finally understand how to make 5.11G do what I need it to do to become 6G.  

6G is being actively developed from the 5.11.3G skeleton script, and so far over a hundred changes have been made with many more in queue.  (I essentially have to go through every statement in the entire skeleton script and either cut it or optimize it, with each statement optimized being optimized with 5 or more changes on average.)  6G has required yet another complete overhaul in how these programs are built, as well as how the script is designed and processed.  The script and process of building 6G is designed to be much optimized from 5.11G, and therefore should take only about 50% of the time to build each title, even if no other build tools are developed.  We are also working on developing build tools that will make the process much faster.  When I get finished I want to be able to build a 6G subliminal in a week or less, and have the script development take up 99% of that time.

I have actually finished developing two of the three scripting modules that will transition 5.11G to 6G, and the third is in process.  But there are other major changes after that, including cutting out all the old script that hasn't been used in a while (a quick job, since it's marked for death already) and optimizing every one of the more than 100 statements left after that, significantly upgrading the Anti Piracy Script and others.  But we are close enough that I am in discussions with testers as to what the goal of the first alpha test 6G pre-release test program should be.  Two good suggestions so far.  This should be very interesting indeed!

Currently estimating that the first 6G subliminal (ASC 6G - free demonstrator) will be published between June and December of this year.

(02-06-2024, 09:58 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-06-2024, 04:16 AM)EvolvingPhoenix Wrote: [ -> ]Oh shit. I didn't know that. My bad LOL

I thought you were just working on it for the past couple of years. My bad.

In 2011 or 2012, I released AM6, and that showed me definitively that 5G wasn't powerful enough, there was something else needed.  So I decided that if I was going to build yet another generation of tech, I was going to do it only once more, since I was tired of building the library out in a generation only to have that interrupted by a new generation, and having to start all over again.

5G was powerful enough to force the subconscious to show its hand when it came to resisting what it didn't like or was afraid of enough for me to identify what was happening, so I could work towards overcoming that.  But it wasn't powerful enough to overcome some of those things.  I started working on developing 6th Generation tech, and the goal was to make it so advanced that I could not reasonably advance it again for 5 to 10 years after developing it, at least.  That would give me time to rebuild the entire library in one generation, and maybe allow me time to do other things than spend all my time every day working on developing the techniques and technology.  

This was much more challenging, and therefore took much longer, than I initially expected, and somewhere between 2014 and 2017 I think it was, I realized that I had to release some new stuff, so I started building with what I had developed, which I called 5.5G (because I knew I wasn't finished developing it yet).  5.5G proved to be much more powerful than 5G.  In some directions, it was amazing, but in some directions was also much better at triggering resistance behavior and self sabotage than anything that had come before it.  This showed me that once again, I had made the programs more powerful, but I had also not yet made them powerful enough.  This also coincided with some rough times for me, and we ended up losing a lot of customers because of a persistent misunderstanding and me being unable to do much about the resistance problem at that time.  

I'm working with the "subconscious" awareness, something I cannot hear, smell, taste, touch or see, and it's very challenging to tease out what's going on and how to deal with it from the feedback that I get.  Not just because I don't get much feedback, but because everyone's subconscious is effectively running on a different operating system which is built from different sets of instructions, which have resulted from different sets of experiences and belief systems.  This takes a lot of time, and the results of 5.5G for some of my customers essentially had me pinned against a wall with unhappy customers with no knowledge of how to solve the problem and not nearly enough time to figure out the answer before they became upset and left.

I kept working, and eventually another major release showed up, 5.75G.  This one was much more powerful than 5.5G and worked much better for getting past and preventing resistance and self sabotage, but it wasn't perfect either, and so I kept working.  This resulted in a series of seven major breakthroughs which became 5.75.1, .2, .3, .4, .5, .6 and .7 sub-generations.  5.75.7G was where I started being really impressed and I wondered if we were close to finished.

But nope.  Then I made another major advancement that led to 5.8G (which required inventing a new way of building these programs entirely), and I knew we were getting closer, but when I had another breakthrough that resulted in 5.9G it became apparent that we weren't finished yet so I just went with it.  5.9G also required inventing an new way to build the programs.

5.10G represented another major breakthrough, and required major changes to how 5.9G was built, but it was quickly superceeded by another major breakthrough, so fast that only one program ever got built in 5.10G.  5.11G is a significant step up yet again, and again required a big change in how these programs are built be created.

In the background, I have been making minor advancements, which is why we are at 5.11.3G, but the next major advancement is going to be 6G because now I finally understand how to make 5.11G do what I need it to do to become 6G.  

6G is being actively developed from the 5.11.3G skeleton script, and so far over a hundred changes have been made with many more in queue.  (I essentially have to go through every statement in the entire skeleton script and either cut it or optimize it, with each statement optimized being optimized with 5 or more changes on average.)  6G has required yet another complete overhaul in how these programs are built, as well as how the script is designed and processed.  The script and process of building 6G is designed to be much optimized from 5.11G, and therefore should take only about 50% of the time to build each title, even if no other build tools are developed.  We are also working on developing build tools that will make the process much faster.  When I get finished I want to be able to build a 6G subliminal in a week or less, and have the script development take up 99% of that time.

I have actually finished developing two of the three scripting modules that will transition 5.11G to 6G, and the third is in process.  But there are other major changes after that, including cutting out all the old script that hasn't been used in a while (a quick job, since it's marked for death already) and optimizing every one of the more than 100 statements left after that, significantly upgrading the Anti Piracy Script and others.  But we are close enough that I am in discussions with testers as to what the goal of the first alpha test 6G pre-release test program should be.  Two good suggestions so far.  This should be very interesting indeed!

Currently estimating that the first 6G subliminal (ASC 6G - free demonstrator) will be published between June and December of this year.

Wow! Okay my bad. Yeah that's a lengthy development process. Well congrats on finally reaching this milestone! 

Thanks for the in depth explanation Shannon. It's cool to get the basic rundown on how these programs have evolved since 5G!

Fantastic breakdown of the development process, @Shannon !

So excited for you that you are nearing completion. It's incredible to finally be approaching it at last.

It seems MEv3 will be 5.11.3G then, since you say the next jump will be 6G from that point. So very grateful you are doing the sub! How is the process for MEv3 coming along?

Thank you for all of your work, it's groundbreaking and the implications are simply life-changing.

(02-06-2024, 10:04 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]Fantastic breakdown of the development process, @Shannon !

So excited for you that you are nearing completion. It's incredible to finally be approaching it at last.

It seems MEv3 will be 5.11.3G then, since you say the next jump will be 6G from that point. So very grateful you are doing the sub! How is the process for MEv3 coming along?

Thank you for all of your work, it's groundbreaking and the implications are simply life-changing.

ME v3 is currently in research mode.  I have found a couple of points in the key script that I think I may be able to make changes to, which would theoretically trigger growth where it was not possible previously.  But to do this, I need to better understand certain of the systems of the human body and how they work, chemistry, etc.  So I am working on that research.  If this pans out, we'll have some significant improvements, which hopefully make the program work significantly better.  If not, then I'll know there's nothing I can improve in those directions, and we will simply attempt "moar power!" to see if that will trigger more growth. 

I am extremely grateful to be close to finished developing 6G, but there is a lot of work left to do, so it is likely that we will see multiple 5.11G subs built before anything is published in 6G.  I have a couple in queue that I think will be very sought after when they are published.

(02-06-2024, 10:10 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-06-2024, 10:04 PM)CatMan Wrote: [ -> ]Fantastic breakdown of the development process, @Shannon !

So excited for you that you are nearing completion. It's incredible to finally be approaching it at last.

It seems MEv3 will be 5.11.3G then, since you say the next jump will be 6G from that point. So very grateful you are doing the sub! How is the process for MEv3 coming along?

Thank you for all of your work, it's groundbreaking and the implications are simply life-changing.

ME v3 is currently in research mode.  I have found a couple of points in the key script that I think I may be able to make changes to, which would theoretically trigger growth where it was not possible previously.  But to do this, I need to better understand certain of the systems of the human body and how they work, chemistry, etc.  So I am working on that research.  If this pans out, we'll have some significant improvements, which hopefully make the program work significantly better.  If not, then I'll know there's nothing I can improve in those directions, and we will simply attempt "moar power!" to see if that will trigger more growth. 

I am extremely grateful to be close to finished developing 6G, but there is a lot of work left to do, so it is likely that we will see multiple 5.11G subs built before anything is published in 6G.  I have a couple in queue that I think will be very sought after when they are published.

Fantastic update on MEv3, I'm very grateful to hear that. Very encouraging news! Looking forward to seeing MEv3, exciting.

Indeed, a bit of a gradual process towards it. About a year or so, is far better than 12, my friend. There's light at the end of this tunnel!

Shannon,

I've been meaning to write to you for a while about this topic, but haven't really found the words to articulate it. I ran AM some years back, and my energetic system/maturity wasn't ready for it. I wasn't in touch with myself when starting it, and tried to run it almost as an escape for dealing with my problems, living in the delusion of suddenly just "appearing as an Alpha Male". This caused the issue of my lack of contact with myself to only worsen, and I tried to control everything around me to help sustain the illusion of me "becoming Alpha". Ultimately it made me highly dissociated and left in a place worse than I was to start with.

I'm not writing this as to blame the program, but rather what I've learned in the journey to overcome dissociation, and to get back in touch with myself, which primarily is to get back in touch with my body, and how it maybe can help the next AM to work better even for the hard cases, which I am putting myself, ot at least the person I was back then, into.

I've noticed that the people that have a strong masculine energy, are often very much in touch with their physical bodies. When they move around you can sense that they "inhibit" their bodies more than the general person. They seem comfortable, strong and simply relaxed. Working trough the tensions in my own body, experiencing the sensations of fear and other uncomfortable emotions, I have grown more to "inhibit" my body as well, feeling more comfortable around people, not getting wound up what other people do or nor, say or not, and finding a peace in simply "being".

I'm not sure on how this would relate to building out the new AM, but I feel that it's an absolute necessity to have the connection to your body in place before building upon to character. I'm not there yet, the process is slow, tedious and has taken me daily work for years, working with meditation and conscious effort into staying present in your body and experiencing what need to be experienced to release it, bit by bit. But I'm getting there.

I came to think about @NOMAD writing about how Maverick has helped him stay more comfortable even in close proximity with others, perhaps Maverick has helped him achieve this in some direction.

I just though I would share this with you, as I'm imagining the process to figure out how to take AM6 into AM7 already has started somewhere in the back of your head, and how much I believe this would help us getting to a place of calm and strong masculinity, and the challenges it takes to overcome what keep us from being fully present in our physical bodies. Perhaps even it could be an idea to have a "AM-primer" that would help the user achieve this in their own time, as a first step in embarking on the AM journey.