Subliminal Talk

(02-10-2017, 11:44 AM)Mystic Pymp Wrote: [ -> ]But I will try it and I will try next versions because somehow BIATBW worked, AM6 worked and I want DMSI to work as well. Perhaps one day I will be proven wrong

You have to remember two things

1. DMSI tries to affect you and other people which is double the work. Most subs are only about you (am6, ltu etc). When you think of it this way you know it's not going to be easy to reach the goals of the program. It's much easier to make a sub that is all about changing you rather than a sub that is about changing you plus trying to change other people to want to fk you.

2. You know the sub is in testing phase. If you chose to run the sub while it is still not fully developed and tested then you don't get much leeway in terms of complaining.

DMSI is really tempting after all we all want sex. I decided to keep running other subs until the final is released. I don't want to waste months of my time on a sub that is not finished where I could be running subs that have been proven and tested and are finished and that can make me a better person/man while I wait for DMSI to be finished.

So considering everything you just can't complain.

(02-10-2017, 11:44 AM)Mystic Pymp Wrote: [ -> ]No need to be sorry, I'm being simply sick and tired of the rhetoric Shannon and most vocal forum members (5% of users who post 95% of posts, mostly useless spam with no merit) indulge in. Hype where hype is due, but yet another version of DMSI is hardly worth any attention if the trend is to continue.

But I will try it and I will try next versions because somehow BIATBW worked, AM6 worked and I want DMSI to work as well. Perhaps one day I will be proven wrong

Lmao, I got some results on all, very little initially on previous DMSI releases, a lot on v3a (everything minus the being pursued) there is a testimonial on that as well and decent results on AM6 even though the focus is internal.

What you're saying about BIATBW I can vouch for, I only did it for less than 2 weeks I got very good results but to test further I also did BIATBWSexually, nada absolutely nothing on the S version okay come to think of it one IOI that's it, wtf right. Complete resistance through out, which come to think of it explains how we resist the wholesexualattraction part of it.

(02-10-2017, 11:24 AM)Mystic Pymp Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-10-2017, 11:07 AM)4Kingdoms Wrote: [ -> ]I've never seen Shannon so happy about a DMSI version being released as he is about v3.1. I think v3.1 will be a game changer for all of us, even with the people that had success with the older versions.

I'm glad you are going to give v3.1 a shot!!

You have short memory then, my friend. Since DMSI was called DAOSI I believe each version is being hyped as "the best new thing" and "awesome new technologies" and whatever else and still I only get worse and worse results. It's funny that DMSI 2.4 gave me some results and didn't destroy me internally like DMSI 3.0.1 did, and backwater BIATBW gave me zillion times better results than DMSI 2.4.

That's what I have to say about the hype and next version being the game changer.

There are some hype and a lot of "spam" (boring redundant post), I guess in a forum its inevitable the more users you will get though there are some who are getting awesome concrete results to me but it's only a few, considering the amount of guys using DMSI I think there isn't enough success story yet.

I have used BIABW, it gave me some results, I think the manifestation in BIABW actually gave me better results with manifesting girls.
Otherwise it was some smiles from girls, not much of them but there was an improvement.
I did get dates from BIABW and I used it less longer than DMSI.

DMSI gave me good results but mostly IOI, very good IOI, the best I ever seen by far in my whole life, and I don't think I'm paranoid, and it's not exaggerated the way I report it, it's really awesome, I felt like a superstar. Even SM3 didn't give that kind of attention and I used it for 6 month. So I do think there is potential in DMS and that isn't hype at least to me.

But all those extreme IOI never bring me any girl friend or sex as of now or any date that I can attribute to DMSI, I even lost my girl friend but I'm not sure it's directly link to DMSI, that relationship wasn't going to last anyway, but it didn't made her want me more for sure at least compared to SM3.

If DMSI would be a pheromone it wouldbe AV for now to me, very good IOI machine but concrete results well you can only dream about it.

I think it's because DMSI is doing a lot of stuff and it's still experimental; if Shannon would have made something generic like just upgrading BIABW to 5.5 you would have seen better stable results.

Thanks for replies guys, I'll try to answer them right now.

@AbundanceCH
From one point of view, sure, I cannot complain. From another one I did pay for it and I am entitled to complain. If DMSI was finished product I would run it for as long as it gets and demand money return, but instead I decided to keep testing it. Call it a compromise

I do want sex. I think experiencing as much sex as possible is the only way of getting me out of this romantic mindset I have right now, even though my ex proved pretty much all my conceptions on this subject wrong. If I was just getting some...

@dweller94
What I cannot understand is that with DMSI I did the same amount of approaching as with BIATBW, with the latter every single one agreed to a date (I might not work out or I might decide not to pursuit it further, it's a different story) and with DMSI none did. Am I intimidating or something?

@Alpha360
I do get IoIs as well, it's the fact that nothing comes out of it that is so disappointing. No girl thus far has approached me and all my approached end in failure. And it isn't bad on it's own, but it is given that DMSI should help me with that. The whole point of the sub is to help the process, if I am to go through the process of learning to approach without saving net why bother buying one? Thousands of current PUA or other alphas did so without subs, I can do it to.

And I think that's what Shannon would do, laser focus on seduction with (let's call it) BIATBW 5.5, not Jack of all trades and master of none that DMSI seems to be right now.

@Myself
I guess I would give you guys update on the two fronts I was to pursuit today. Speed dating didn't work out, I was getting some IoIs but nothing "I want you to fk me" kind of deal. I voted for the girl I got the most time with because of circumstances but she won some other guy. Good for her There was none I would really love to date so not a big deal. I consider me participating in this event success itself. I had some anxiety about it but I forced myself and overall I have positive experience and I think that's the most important thing about it.

The other date isn't coming either, she says she's meeting someone but I can tell she's lying (she lied to me earlier so...), she's simply too nice to say "no" to the face. Oh well, it happens.

The difference between those of you getting great results and those getting no results or poor results. Do you know what it is?

Same script going in, different results coming out. The difference is in how much the user cooperates and executes the script. The difference is in the user. The same potential exists for all of you. It's the same exact instruction set.

(02-11-2017, 03:01 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]The difference between those of you getting great results and those getting no results or poor results. Do you know what it is?

Same script going in, different results coming out. The difference is in how much the user cooperates and executes the script. The difference is in the user. The same potential exists for all of you. It's the same exact instruction set.

So, just as I said before, is it my fault DMSI doesn't work for me while BIATBW without all those fancy technologies did work? Do you say there is something wrong with me which will cause me to simply stonewall everything DMSI tries to do while more primitive subs did at least some tangible difference?

Tell it to my face instead of asking rhetorical questions, Shannon.

(02-11-2017, 03:16 PM)Mystic Pymp Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-11-2017, 03:01 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]The difference between those of you getting great results and those getting no results or poor results. Do you know what it is?

Same script going in, different results coming out. The difference is in how much the user cooperates and executes the script. The difference is in the user. The same potential exists for all of you. It's the same exact instruction set.

So, just as I said before, is it my fault DMSI doesn't work for me while BIATBW without all those fancy technologies did work? Do you say there is something wrong with me which will cause me to simply stonewall everything DMSI tries to do while more primitive subs did at least some tangible difference?

Tell it to my face instead of asking rhetorical questions, Shannon.

Let's think.

One script.

However many of you.

Many different responses.

What is the reason for the different responses?

We know it can't be the program because that is uniform and unchanging between everyone.

What differs, then, and gives us an option for why we get different results is that between point A and point C, we have the processing of the program, point B.

It is in the processing, then, that we have our differences, and this difference comes from differences from user to user.

You're using the same script Chaos is. You're using the same script I was. And CatMan, and all the rest.

The difference in results comes from how you respond to the script. Your response leads to your choice of actions with regards to the script. Your choice of actions with regards to the script leads to your results with regards to the program.

Those who are getting good results from the same program you are using are doing so because they're cooperating. Those who are getting poor results from the same program that is giving those others good results... not cooperating.

Now my job is to figure out how to get you guys to all cooperate. But ultimately, cooperating or not is your choice, and your responsibility.

You can't run out onto a soccer field and refuse to kick the ball and then get mad at Coach for telling you that the game is played and won by kicking the ball and fully cooperating with your team.

So while I figure out how to make the script more successful in getting you guys to cooperate subconsciously, the best thing you guys can do is take full responsibility for not cooperating, and the results that gets you. Once you can't sit on your ass and blame someone else for you choices and their results, you might have motivation to get off your subconscious ass and make the results happen.

That's how this works. You either cooperate or you don't. You either execute the script or you don't. And you have to make that choice. YOU make that choice, and that choice is YOUR responsibility.

With any luck, I'll figure out how to word the script to get you to do that automatically. Until then, we're back to...

Did you choose to cooperate? And if not... who is responsible for your choices?

Try telling a judge that you drove drunk because your choices are not your responsibility. See how far that gets you.

I can understand Mystic Pymp's frustration though Shannon. There are guys who don't approach, don't make much effort to "get out there" for various reasons ex.) too much fear, inexperience, etc. That said, those who do NOT approach because they want to force DMSI to accomplish its design goals, more power to you. No harm no foul and perfectly understandable and within your right as a purchaser of DMSI.

But Mystic Pymp is putting in some effort here though. If what he's saying is correct, he's doing a great deal on his own (consciously mind you) in order to put himself in a good position to get results. He's not sitting on the bench wondering why he's not getting the ball and not making any shots. He's out there hustling, getting dirty, doing the things that other guys either don't want to do or know how to do (once again, those guys have their reasons, so no harm no foul). So I can fully understand why he's frustrated because he's taking the shots but the shots just aren't going in the net.

Using your soccer analogy some guys are running around on the field with no clue what they're doing due to inexperience (which is fine, we all started there), some guys know about the game a little bit but are too afraid to take the shot even if they get a good look (inexperience and fear), others like Mystic Pymp have the will and desire and take the shot but the ball refuses to go into the net even if the look they had was good, and finally you have the rare breed (Chaosvrgn and Benjamin for example) who know about "the game", understand large parts of "the game", and are willing to get on the field, dribble, take the shot, and MAKE THE SHOT (sex).

You gotta admit...it's a bit...frustrating to see guys who are NOT making much effort to take the shots but are getting (in some cases) free penalty kicks. I'm not discounting what you said btw Shannon. Everything you said was valid. I'm just saying that I fully understand and sympathize with Mystic Pymp but as long as I've known you you've never been one to back down from challenges (willingly) so I am hopeful you'll find a way to make it so that everyone can score (figuratively and literally) .

Shannon my dear, do you even listen to me? Or do you assume that I CHOOSE not to cooperate with DMSI while I DID CHOSEN to cooperate with BIATBW? I can promise you two things:
1) So far I did the same amount of work with both of them
2) I consciously (maybe my subconscious was screwed somehow this past year) wanted both of them to work.
And yet somehow with BIATBW I had choices and when I saw golden opportunity I went for it and lost my virginity. The only girl that showed me real interest during DMSI is my friend (which I noticed giving me IoIs back in May while running AM6). Oh, there were others, but as soon as I'd approach them they would bail, something that never (because with both subs I was going for "sure" things) happened with BIATBW. So yeah, I am to fault that older sub worked so much better for me than newer one.

What exactly am I doing wrong? What is this responsibility that you're trying to blame me on that I don't see? Same amount of work, same dedication, much worse results. I don't expect subs to do work for me, but I expect help and year ago I did receive it. Now I get nothing and I hear it's my fault.

(02-11-2017, 05:01 PM)K-Train Wrote: [ -> ]I can understand Mystic Pymp's frustration though Shannon. There are guys who don't approach, don't make much effort to "get out there" for various reasons ex.) too much fear, inexperience, etc. That said, those who do NOT approach because they want to force DMSI to accomplish its design goals, more power to you. No harm no foul and perfectly understandable and within your right as a purchaser of DMSI.

But Mystic Pymp is putting in some effort here though. If what he's saying is correct, he's doing a great deal on his own (consciously mind you) in order to put himself in a good position to get results. He's not sitting on the bench wondering why he's not getting the ball and not making any shots. He's out there hustling, getting dirty, doing the things that other guys either don't want to do or know how to do (once again, those guys have their reasons, so no harm no foul). So I can fully understand why he's frustrated because he's taking the shots but the shots just aren't going in the net.

Using your soccer analogy some guys are running around on the field with no clue what they're doing due to inexperience (which is fine, we all started there), some guys know about the game a little bit but are too afraid to take the shot even if they get a good look (inexperience and fear), others like Mystic Pymp have the will and desire and take the shot but the ball refuses to go into the net even if the look they had was good, and finally you have the rare breed (Chaosvrgn and Benjamin for example) who know about "the game", understand large parts of "the game", and are willing to get on the field, dribble, take the shot, and MAKE THE SHOT (sex).

You gotta admit...it's a bit...frustrating to see guys who are NOT making much effort to take the shots but are getting (in some cases) free penalty kicks. I'm not discounting what you said btw Shannon. Everything you said was valid. I'm just saying that I fully understand and sympathize with Mystic Pymp but as long as I've known you you've never been one to back down from challenges (willingly) so I am hopeful you'll find a way to make it so that everyone can score (figuratively and literally) .

I wouldn't say I get my hand dirty, I've never done cold approaches or anything like that. But at the same time I don't remember the last time neither me nor anyone else told me I wasted some great chance. If I see girl likes me I go for it. It happens rarely to be honest (once a month on average), but I used all good opportunities I had in the past 2 years or so. And that is something myself from before subs couldn't say. In short I cannot say I do herculean work, but I cannot say I sit idly and wait for wonder either.

Could I create more options? Sure, me going to speed dating event despite my anxiety shows me that I can go out of my comfort zone. And one day I may be motivated enough to pursuit it full time. As of now I focus on my education and self-development at large.

I'm not angry that I don't see much results right now. What I'm angry at is that virgin me could get better results that more experienced, slimmer and equipped with DMSI me does. Past me had slept with 8/10 on the second date, present me cannot get a single date, not to mention sex.

(02-11-2017, 05:11 PM)Mystic Pymp Wrote: [ -> ]Shannon my dear, do you even listen to me? Or do you assume that I CHOOSE not to cooperate with DMSI while I DID CHOSEN to cooperate with BIATBW? I can promise you two things:
1) So far I did the same amount of work with both of them
2) I consciously (maybe my subconscious was screwed somehow this past year) wanted both of them to work.
And yet somehow with BIATBW I had choices and when I saw golden opportunity I went for it and lost my virginity. The only girl that showed me real interest during DMSI is my friend (which I noticed giving me IoIs back in May while running AM6). Oh, there were others, but as soon as I'd approach them they would bail, something that never (because with both subs I was going for "sure" things) happened with BIATBW. So yeah, I am to fault that older sub worked so much better for me than newer one.

What exactly am I doing wrong? What is this responsibility that you're trying to blame me on that I don't see? Same amount of work, same dedication, much worse results. I don't expect subs to do work for me, but I expect help and year ago I did receive it. Now I get nothing and I hear it's my fault.

First, let's take these words "blame" and "fault". The reason you have some of this issue is the frame you're using. There's no blame or fault. We are discussing a situation in which you are frustrated at the outcome of using a subliminal.

Second, let's consider that you consciously and you subconsciously are not the same. You consciously can desperately want the result, while you subconsciously can be dead set against it. This is why a lot of people who are overweight stay that way in spite of all their conscious efforts to change.

Consciously, you may be trying. Consciously, you may be taking your share of the responsibility. And that's all well and good. But there is some part of you that is choosing to not cooperate. Choosing to not execute the script. That part of you is still part of you. And that means that as frustrating as it may be for you consciously, you are still responsible for any success or failure you have with one of these programs.

That's why when people thank me for getting them the results, I remind them that I didn't do it, they did.

You have to take responsibility for your choices and actions, even if they are subconscious, because otherwise that part of you can do whatever it wants and get away with it. Hidden Mystic Pymp screws everything up, public Mystic Pymp says it's because Shannon's technology doesn't work. Hidden Mystic Pymp is responsible for the outcome, but is not being held accountable. Which perpetuates the situation.

Consciously taking responsibility for your subconscious choices and actions and their results isn't fun, but it's what adults do. It's also how to make change happen regardless. And that is what we are after.

I am working on this issue so we can make it something that gets dealt with automatically and subconsciously, but until and unless I figure this out... you still have to take personal responsibility for your choices, and your actions, and your results - even if they are subconscious - because otherwise you have no hope of making a change that gets you the results you want.

I'm not blaming you. I'm not saying you're at fault. I am telling you the facts... and sometimes, them's not fun to hear. But they are the facts. And if you want to help yourself get the results while I try to figure out how to automate the process... you have to do what I told you needed to be done.

You're getting worse results because some part of you is giving less cooperation.

Perhaps, since the script is immensely more dense with many facets, you are actually getting benefits in areas that you aren't attributing to the program.

For instance, you said you did speed dating despite your anxiety. Perhaps the healing and clearing led you to that.

I just think there are a lot of little hurdles many of us would have to get through before the end goal scripting can execute fully, hence striking out. You're just not there yet.

I've seen mention of partial execution of the script causing an imbalance in the aura being projected, this could be part of the issue as well.

I think where we see others getting results where some don't is, they just don't have issues in those areas.

My issues are different than others. For instance, I found myself going out to have a few drinks in a venue I've never found myself before, with a friend who just "appeared" back into my life as soon as I started running V2.5. We've only hung out more and more since V3.0.1. The only thing I did that night was put myself in the vicinity of women sitting at the bar. They did everything else. They qualified themselves, switched the topic to sex, told me their hobbies, told me they thought I was cute, told me how much money they make, showed me pictures in their bathing suits and underwear...All I had to do was make a simple suggestive comment (which I had a hard time not making), and it would have been on. But, my "hang up," is fear of destroying my family at home. So...I went home.

I really think this program is going to get everyone who wants to "get there," to get there. But with all the scripting and facets of the program to get there and really get things poppin' - the kind of results that seem like magic, like a different reality, like a whole life you've never imagined - well, that's going to take some time and, like Shannon said, cooperation.

He's going to get this all figured out. Mark my words.

(02-11-2017, 08:00 PM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]I really think this program is going to get everyone who wants to "get there," to get there. But with all the scripting and facets of the program to get there and really get things poppin' - the kind of results that seem like magic, like a different reality, like a whole life you've never imagined - well, that's going to take some time and, like Shannon said, cooperation.

Precisely. If we want everything to change, we need to be patient as EVERYTHING changes. The inner turmoil is simply a sign of getting used to the new way of being. The adjustment from sexual inhibition to sexual liberation is not a small transition. There are a lot of beliefs and sub beliefs connected to sexuality, all of which need to be altered to be in 100% acceptance with the script.

So as mystic continues with this sub, consistently putting in the footwork, and consistently learning what doesn't work, the sub and SATT are working subconsciously to move him closer to the goal. .... even if it doesn't seem like it. Again, patience is required if EVERYTHING is to change.

FWIW, feelings of hopelessness was literally THE breaking point for me. Two days later, I hit the breakthrough that led to something profound. But I was going through some horrible emotions right before the breakthrough. It's just a part of the process of saying bye to limiting beliefs.

Your subconscious tries desperately to hold onto what it believes to be true, and will defend it even if it's causing harm. The trick is to understand that you are holding onto limiting beliefs, hence why you are not accepting the script. The specifics are unimportant consciously as the script deals directly with the subconscious. However, awareness of and willingness to acknowledge and then release limiting beliefs will be of use to you. Ideally, this will pass some information to the subconscious that will be of use to better accept the script.

I'm far from where I want to be sexually. But I sure as hell am not where I was on Dec 1, when this version was released. I grew sexually more in these 2 months than I did on an entire sm3 run. Not to mention other aspects of life that were touched on by 3.0.1... so even if the primary goal of achieving repeated sex hasn't been achieved, I'm still exponentially further ahead than i would have been had I not used 3.0.1

Likewise, surely mystic also can say the same.

(02-11-2017, 06:02 PM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]First, let's take these words "blame" and "fault". The reason you have some of this issue is the frame you're using. There's no blame or fault. We are discussing a situation in which you are frustrated at the outcome of using a subliminal.

Second, let's consider that you consciously and you subconsciously are not the same. You consciously can desperately want the result, while you subconsciously can be dead set against it. This is why a lot of people who are overweight stay that way in spite of all their conscious efforts to change.

Consciously, you may be trying. Consciously, you may be taking your share of the responsibility. And that's all well and good. But there is some part of you that is choosing to not cooperate. Choosing to not execute the script. That part of you is still part of you. And that means that as frustrating as it may be for you consciously, you are still responsible for any success or failure you have with one of these programs.

That's why when people thank me for getting them the results, I remind them that I didn't do it, they did.

You have to take responsibility for your choices and actions, even if they are subconscious, because otherwise that part of you can do whatever it wants and get away with it. Hidden Mystic Pymp screws everything up, public Mystic Pymp says it's because Shannon's technology doesn't work. Hidden Mystic Pymp is responsible for the outcome, but is not being held accountable. Which perpetuates the situation.

Consciously taking responsibility for your subconscious choices and actions and their results isn't fun, but it's what adults do. It's also how to make change happen regardless. And that is what we are after.

I am working on this issue so we can make it something that gets dealt with automatically and subconsciously, but until and unless I figure this out... you still have to take personal responsibility for your choices, and your actions, and your results - even if they are subconscious - because otherwise you have no hope of making a change that gets you the results you want.

I'm not blaming you. I'm not saying you're at fault. I am telling you the facts... and sometimes, them's not fun to hear. But they are the facts. And if you want to help yourself get the results while I try to figure out how to automate the process... you have to do what I told you needed to be done.

You're getting worse results because some part of you is giving less cooperation.

Thanks Shannon, great update and I start to get what you meant. Gotta think about it to be honest. Gotta think a lot.

(02-11-2017, 08:00 PM)RTBoss Wrote: [ -> ]Perhaps, since the script is immensely more dense with many facets, you are actually getting benefits in areas that you aren't attributing to the program.

For instance, you said you did speed dating despite your anxiety. Perhaps the healing and clearing led you to that.

I just think there are a lot of little hurdles many of us would have to get through before the end goal scripting can execute fully, hence striking out. You're just not there yet.

I've seen mention of partial execution of the script causing an imbalance in the aura being projected, this could be part of the issue as well.

I think where we see others getting results where some don't is, they just don't have issues in those areas.

My issues are different than others. For instance, I found myself going out to have a few drinks in a venue I've never found myself before, with a friend who just "appeared" back into my life as soon as I started running V2.5. We've only hung out more and more since V3.0.1. The only thing I did that night was put myself in the vicinity of women sitting at the bar. They did everything else. They qualified themselves, switched the topic to sex, told me their hobbies, told me they thought I was cute, told me how much money they make, showed me pictures in their bathing suits and underwear...All I had to do was make a simple suggestive comment (which I had a hard time not making), and it would have been on. But, my "hang up," is fear of destroying my family at home. So...I went home.

I really think this program is going to get everyone who wants to "get there," to get there. But with all the scripting and facets of the program to get there and really get things poppin' - the kind of results that seem like magic, like a different reality, like a whole life you've never imagined - well, that's going to take some time and, like Shannon said, cooperation.

He's going to get this all figured out. Mark my words.

Maybe... Right now I'm escaping into a education. I still have one exam to go but it seems that it will be my best semester in terms of grades and of course there are my own projects. I'm also reading about self-development a lot, I'm walking 10k+ a day and exercising at home... Maybe it's my path, I don't know. For now I should keep doing what I'm doing, focusing on myself and seeing how things will change in time.