Subliminal Talk

Day 7 - Additional Update

Yet again, when listening to DMSI, I seem to eventually feel sleepy/tired.

I havent reported this as I wasnt sure if this was lack of sleep (which is another of my big issues) or if its due to DMSI, or if its due to me doing some kind of focused concentrated work whilst listening.

Examples of these concentrated works are:
Reading many posts here and then typing up my posts which takes concentration.
Either reading a book and taking notes or reading websites.

I am now reporting this as I feel its something to be noted.

So to clarify, whilst listening to the track, at some point I begin to feel sleepy and this I think continues on from whenever it begins to the end of the track and may continue if I choose to rest/sleep.

Day 8 - Update

Time is now 2.50pm
I will listen to day 8's loop around 9pm to stick with the protocol of 1 listen every 24hrs to maintain ARSB.

So why am I here so early to post?
I wanted to just include anything that can be of value to me, looking back as well as for Shannon and you all.

So slept around 1am. I woke at 12, therefore around 11hour sleep.

I did wake at 7.30am, but no 8am starts today therefore went back to sleep.

I have now at 2.52pm finally had a wash, got dressed and came to make breakfast but first here.

I feel refreshed obviously and will have a large breakfast, it is Saaturday afterall.

I have been wondering whether DMSI is working since even today upon waking ,I have lost the desire and drive to fap. I have also lost the drive today to care about porn.

I dont seem to give a shit, neither care about women but I know this last one is a lie since I today became very conscious of how I look and more so about my weight.

I havent heard from the personal trainer I had found here (I think I mentioned this guy in my last thread which was about MLS).

Anyway so I messaged him as I want him to simply give me my macros, no idea how to calculate this as well as then help me work out how best to use protein shakes as I aim to exercise twice a day.

I have to and need to work on my physical image and also on my studying. Women will come, but without these I feel my life will be delayed even further.

I dont enjoy sex, I am putting it out there, i seem to enjoy masturbation and the chase. The chasing of women is what I enjoy and the love from a woman, that is that she wants and desires me, but cuddling and kissing is way more better than sex, cos honestly nobody can beat fapping lol

so anyway I also had time to reflect on how I seem to let weekends come and I desire to just recharge and stay in my apartment and not go out or even go and be with people and friends.

This comes from the belief that I am either wasting time or that there is no time.

I have no idea if the the subs work on these self perpetuating negative beliefs but I hope they do.

That being said, I also feel that the effects of DMSI -B , if indeed are working for me and on me seem to be alot slower than they are for others.

I believe from my understanding this could be due to:

1) I have never ran a DMSI and thus others that have are a few rungs up the proverbial ladder and thus are able to see the effects quicker

or

2) that im going at the pace that is right for me, which seems more like E2 than DMSI-B.

there is also the option of (3) which is that im stonewalling but am I? I have no idea to tell yet, and this is the fear that I have since I do not want to stonewall at all.

I therefore have today out of this fear felt rejected and perhaps at a dead end in that perhaps I will indeed have to go onto DMSI -A in the hope that it will break my inner issues and stop me from stonewalling.

If I am not stonewalling then going on to track A still cannot be a bad thing in that it will hopefully clear my inner issues so that I can work on the other branches of cleared issues, such as procrastination and self image (physique, diet etc) and most of all stop myself from any form of self sabotage.

I do think that I am my worst enermy and my biggest obstacle and that all I do is self sabotage when you think about it which is what we all do to ourselves really.

Anyway feel free to offer what you all think as it helps me to know how to progress but yeah right now im feeling like im unsure whats working if it is and thus whether I should jump onto track A or not.

thanks - the loop 8 update will come later tonight - so time to go have my big breakfast

Day 8 - Update 2

Time 8.59pm

I will start to listen to todays loop in a few minutes.


Porn chat
Ive been bored all day. But not fapped.

I went to a porn site and they have a chat feature. Saw a member thats new that is shall we say more my type even though she had no pics. Her profile description is what im referring to.

Anyway we got chatting, and we've been chatting for 2hrs. Shes in the UK. We couldnt get to chatting on the phone due to her not wanting to give her number out as well as living with family so cant talk as yet but she plans to get another phone and eventually will work around it.

Even though im not a naive chicken, I still feel good about the chat lol

Shes gone now to take her mum to the suprmarket, but yeah the convo went great.

If this is DMSI (no idea as yet) then its not making women come to me, im still having to make the effort.

Some members here are finding women coming towards them, 1 way or another which are some of the design goals of the sub, so well lets hope im not stonewalling this sub and that eventually I can say as much

Im gnna listen to the sub and wont post anything UNLESS anything new to share.

ps: when I said I was bored, well ive been lazy, Ive procrastinated on what I should be doing and instead cooked/ate and did my laundry by loading and then unloading my washing machine lol so all that hasnt changed at all.

Day 8 - Update 3

Time: 9.56pm
Ive started to and im currently in the middle of listening to the loop.
Im feeling relaxed/sleepy again.

So what is clear is that this happens majority of the time if not always so ive asked shannon what this means.

I hope it doesnt mean im stonewalling.


PornChat Girl
I went back and she was on. She saw I came ONLINE and she messaged me and asked if im back.
I said yes I am are you (lol) and she said YES with a SMILE.

That was nice. shes suddenly logged off again but whenever shes back im sure she'll wanna chat some more.

Im sure shes chatting to many others too because she asked me about something I did say which she then admitted was for someone else, so im not getting carried away but I do like the attention lol

Day 9 - Update

Time 2.21pm

Woke around 10 or 11 i think, just finally got out of bed and having toast with nutella.


PornChat Girl
Messaged me lastnight to say she was ONLY chatting to me and that she got a message from someone else and by mistake sent the reply to me instead of him. Whoever this girl or guy is, they seem interested.


Fap & porn
No fap again. Ive been getting aroused and hard and even stroked myself but not fapped at all.
I lasnight couldnt sleep, didnt even try was just so awake so somehow got onto some soft porn on youtube. I watched but again didnt fap.

Im not avoiding porn, since im visinting a site where im now chatting to a girl but im not watching or having any desire to watch it seems except for the porn on youtube lol

procrastination, laziness is all there still.

No other feeling to report, no other changes to report either.

I hope all this is helping shannon to make track A and 3.3 stronger and better for us.

I am thinking of Buying DMSI 3.2...

(03-04-2018, 04:32 AM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]I am thinking of Buying DMSI 3.2...

really bro...even though I think I know why, explain why you think you should?

and as an outsider what do you think, do you think DMSI is working for me cos im trying to be as objective as I can and so still up and down if it is or isnt...but seems to be with the fapping lol

(03-03-2018, 11:59 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]Im sure shes chatting to many others too because she asked me about something I did say which she then admitted was for someone else, so im not getting carried away but I do like the attention lol

Is it a conversation that could of carried on without her admitting that the question was for somebody else? It could be that she wants you to think that she's chatting to a lot of other people, I don't think that would be an easy mistake to make? Who knows, maybe.

(03-04-2018, 04:34 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2018, 04:32 AM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]I am thinking of Buying DMSI 3.2...

really bro...even though I think I know why, explain why you think you should?

and as an outsider what do you think, do you think DMSI is working for me cos im trying to be as objective as I can and so still up and down if it is or isnt...but seems to be with the fapping lol

Well Its has almost all the latest tech ofc.

Aside from that It has Subs like ARA, DRA and ofc then there is NoFap in it along with No-Procastination.

Also I have been thinking for a long time to give AM6 a try but tbh I don't think I don't have that level of discipline to run one sub that long. But with DMSI 3.2 I can do that.

Also If u r Successful in life and shit then u have more chances of getting laid if u want to,cause all that achievement act as a catalyst. So I think DMSI pushes users to work towards themselves... Was hoping than now is the time I start doing something. I did achieve few goals with MLS-5.5G and MHS-5.5G now I think its time I give DMSI3.2 a give.. Been hearing its name for like a YEAR..

(03-04-2018, 04:41 AM)Smuggler Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-03-2018, 11:59 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]Im sure shes chatting to many others too because she asked me about something I did say which she then admitted was for someone else, so im not getting carried away but I do like the attention lol

Is it a conversation that could of carried on without her admitting that the question was for somebody else? It could be that she wants you to think that she's chatting to a lot of other people, I don't think that would be an easy mistake to make? Who knows, maybe.

hey smuggler, no basically she asked me what I meant by "a random thing" and I hadnt said what she quoted nor did it even go with our conversation so it was a blooper from her.

But she saying that she was only chatting to me and that someone else messaged and and she meant to ask him what he meant but asked me seems plausible.

What I did do yesterday was push her on multiple occasions to talk rather than just sit and chat online. She is happy to but only when she has another phone that she can use for that and when shes not around her family at home.

Again seem logical and plausible but what seems a little odd is that she admitted to being a swinger for the past 8 years as well as having a FWB right now, so im wondering why she hasnt got another phone or means to speak to guys already in place.

Im definitely smitten by her though, im enjoying the chat and im a little fixated on her, as in ive got the chat open on my laptop and waiting for her to come back, and this level of oneitis is enjoyable but im trying to be calm and composed too lol

She has confused me with 1 other thing though. She seems to want to tell me all about her deviant past and ways and im honestly not that fussed cos im not going to get aroused by online chat like I may have done as a teenager lol so im unsure why this 28 year old wants me to know so much but I have probed and asked that if she things it will matter to me or put me off then sure tell me to which shes said she doesnt care if it puts me off but then her behaviour kinda says otherwise....either way im not directing the convo to please her to tell me her shit, im just chatting like I do to anyone and having a laugh and chatting however I want to and see where it goes.

i think she enjoys that im not interviewing her but having a conversation with her where im actually doing alot of the sharing and talking rather than simply ask her questions.

(03-04-2018, 04:47 AM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2018, 04:34 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2018, 04:32 AM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]I am thinking of Buying DMSI 3.2...

really bro...even though I think I know why, explain why you think you should?

and as an outsider what do you think, do you think DMSI is working for me cos im trying to be as objective as I can and so still up and down if it is or isnt...but seems to be with the fapping lol

Well Its has almost all the latest tech ofc.

Aside from that It has Subs like ARA, DRA and ofc then there is NoFap in it along with No-Procastination.

Also I have been thinking for a long time to give AM6 a try but tbh I don't think I don't have that level of discipline to run one sub that long. But with DMSI 3.2 I can do that.

Also If u r Successful in life and shit then u have more chances of getting laid if u want to,cause all that achievement act as a catalyst. So I think DMSI pushes users to work towards themselves... Was hoping than now is the time I start doing something. I did achieve few goals with MLS-5.5G and MHS-5.5G now I think its time I give DMSI3.2 a give.. Been hearing its name for like a YEAR..

ah ok great! personally I think you should too bro.

I think AM6 must be outdated now with all the old tech in it and DMSI is the latest tech as you said.

Also the 1 thing that is working for alot of the users (correct me if im wrong) seems to be the no-fapping.

Ofcourse there are those that are getting IOIs from girls but it seems to be the younger more youthful members and at that age the boys and girls are gnna do more of that more easily than when they get older perhaps but what is clear seems to be the no fap most of all and for some the no porn and others the reduced porn watching.

I havent myself got anything else from it as yet but im hoping the no fap is DMSI cos then im not stonewalling anymore!!! what do you think?

(03-04-2018, 04:53 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2018, 04:47 AM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2018, 04:34 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2018, 04:32 AM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]I am thinking of Buying DMSI 3.2...

really bro...even though I think I know why, explain why you think you should?

and as an outsider what do you think, do you think DMSI is working for me cos im trying to be as objective as I can and so still up and down if it is or isnt...but seems to be with the fapping lol

Well Its has almost all the latest tech ofc.

Aside from that It has Subs like ARA, DRA and ofc then there is NoFap in it along with No-Procastination.

Also I have been thinking for a long time to give AM6 a try but tbh I don't think I don't have that level of discipline to run one sub that long. But with DMSI 3.2 I can do that.

Also If u r Successful in life and shit then u have more chances of getting laid if u want to,cause all that achievement act as a catalyst. So I think DMSI pushes users to work towards themselves... Was hoping than now is the time I start doing something. I did achieve few goals with MLS-5.5G and MHS-5.5G now I think its time I give DMSI3.2 a give.. Been hearing its name for like a YEAR..

ah ok great! personally I think you should too bro.

I think AM6 must be outdated now with all the old tech in it and DMSI is the latest tech as you said.

Also the 1 thing that is working for alot of the users (correct me if im wrong) seems to be the no-fapping.

Ofcourse there are those that are getting IOIs from girls but it seems to be the younger more youthful members and at that age the boys and girls are gnna do more of that more easily than when they get older perhaps but what is clear seems to be the no fap most of all and for some the no porn and others the reduced porn watching.

I havent myself got anything else from it as yet but im hoping the no fap is DMSI cos then im not stonewalling anymore!!! what do you think?

If u are Not fapping and reduced ur porn intake then it means that indeed the wall is working and it's only a matter of time before other stuff kicks. But since this "B" side I guess there will be alot of issues u r gonna face like which we either didn't deal with in past or simply numbed ourself..

Also I have read many NoFap reports on reddit what I have seen after 2-4 weeks on nofap their old negative emotions starts coming to surface. But I guess in case of DMSI it will be different.

(03-04-2018, 05:42 AM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2018, 04:53 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2018, 04:47 AM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2018, 04:34 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-04-2018, 04:32 AM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]I am thinking of Buying DMSI 3.2...

really bro...even though I think I know why, explain why you think you should?

and as an outsider what do you think, do you think DMSI is working for me cos im trying to be as objective as I can and so still up and down if it is or isnt...but seems to be with the fapping lol

Well Its has almost all the latest tech ofc.

Aside from that It has Subs like ARA, DRA and ofc then there is NoFap in it along with No-Procastination.

Also I have been thinking for a long time to give AM6 a try but tbh I don't think I don't have that level of discipline to run one sub that long. But with DMSI 3.2 I can do that.

Also If u r Successful in life and shit then u have more chances of getting laid if u want to,cause all that achievement act as a catalyst. So I think DMSI pushes users to work towards themselves... Was hoping than now is the time I start doing something. I did achieve few goals with MLS-5.5G and MHS-5.5G now I think its time I give DMSI3.2 a give.. Been hearing its name for like a YEAR..

ah ok great! personally I think you should too bro.

I think AM6 must be outdated now with all the old tech in it and DMSI is the latest tech as you said.

Also the 1 thing that is working for alot of the users (correct me if im wrong) seems to be the no-fapping.

Ofcourse there are those that are getting IOIs from girls but it seems to be the younger more youthful members and at that age the boys and girls are gnna do more of that more easily than when they get older perhaps but what is clear seems to be the no fap most of all and for some the no porn and others the reduced porn watching.

I havent myself got anything else from it as yet but im hoping the no fap is DMSI cos then im not stonewalling anymore!!! what do you think?

If u are Not fapping and reduced ur porn intake then it means that indeed the wall is working and it's only a matter of time before other stuff kicks. But since this "B" side I guess there will be alot of issues u r gonna face like which we either didn't deal with in past or simply numbed ourself..

Also I have read many NoFap reports on reddit what I have seen after 2-4 weeks on nofap their old negative emotions starts coming to surface. But I guess in case of DMSI it will be different.

wow cant believe it, so hopefully ive stopped stonewalling the subs

from what you said then bro I think its probably right I move to track A when it comes out, what do you think? its probably gnna be one of the most difficult decisions I have to make lol

Other people on whom DMSI is working good is because they have been on DMSI for like a year and some have been thru other subs which indirectly improved their state and yes being on nofap helps. Good thing is that DMSI3.2 can help in both areas..