Subliminal Talk

Mon 30th April 2018

Couldnt listen to DMSI on the flight, as it was very loud, turbulent and also got talking to the 2 guys sat next to me so would have been very rude and impolite to ignore them for 1+hrs lol

On the flight, early on got chatting to the air stewardess but no idea how to escalate it. made her laugh though.

After landing went to a burger joint and saw a girl I liked. She and her friend ended up standing next to me after we placed our order at seperate times (its a waiting area basically).

Somehow due to something a member of staff said, I was able to make them laugh and the girl I liked really gave me a wide high look and attention.

Again no idea if its IOI or just females being friendly and polite.

I say this because im losing hair and not losing any weight, may actually have put more on, according to what my family said to me last night so im sure no female is attracted to me right now.

Going docs today so will ask for blood tests to make sure again that im in the clear and that my weight is just normal. I dont eat alot but still not losing weight.

So my issues are:

Poor self image, though chatting to girls and making them laugh isnt an issue for me it seems.

Also no idea how to talk and lead it somewhere

and finally no idea if they're giving IOIs or simply being friendly.

Ill update my signature to reflect on DMSI not being started as yet.

thanks

Looks like u have issues with ur body weight/Image..Well same is the case with me. When I go out I have this feeling where I feel as if I am too skinny or something and therefore no one is gonna like me when it comes to women..

I think we need to reach a point were we are not embarrassed by our body image maybe this is some self-esteem issues. Idk. But I had my eye on EM-5.5G.

After being on DMSI for a while I will give EM a try so that I can implement some healthy exercise routine in my life.

Dont worry bro, all ur problems will be solved one by one..I can already see so much improvement in u and ur post.

Yesterday I was reading my old journal and realised that I am made so much progress in past 6-7 months.

Talking about body image. DMSI takes care of that. I had more then once the experience of feeling and being handsome while looking at myself in the mirror. It came strongly from within. Beside that, hitting the gym is a plus.
DMSI truly makes you sexually irresistable.

Quick update:

Not been able to restart DMSI at all.

Finding 1 hour at home has been impossible due to various daily appointments at doctors, dentists etc and then evening time ive been taken to restaurants or cinema by family or friends.

Ive accepted that I wont therefore be able to start DMSI now until im back at uni.

I was to fly out tonight but family want me to stay longer as they already miss me so im going to stay until Tuesday.

(04-30-2018, 05:11 AM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]Looks like u have issues with ur body weight/Image..Well same is the case with me. When I go out I have this feeling where I feel as if I am too skinny or something and therefore no one is gonna like me when it comes to women..

I think we need to reach a point were we are not embarrassed by our body image maybe this is some self-esteem issues. Idk. But I had my eye on EM-5.5G.

After being on DMSI for a while I will give EM a try so that I can implement some healthy exercise routine in my life.

Dont worry bro, all ur problems will be solved one by one..I can already see so much improvement in u and ur post.

Yesterday I was reading my old journal and realised that I am made so much progress in past 6-7 months.

In my case, until i went back to uni, I think my ego made me feel that I am still good looking and any girl will like me. I was being delusional since why would a 10 or an 8 or a 7 want me.

At uni its become clear to me that girls just dont like me the way i thought they would, and a close friend the one who has told me to lose weight and grow a beard has made me realise that yes im not a 5 or a 6 but until now I thought I was a real catch lol.

So yes bro now I have issues with my image and weight and looks

Youre right bro, im still tempted to stay on DMSI only to see if I will execute more of it rather than gamble and jump onto another sub only to stonewall it.

I think Shannon said that every sub after 3.2 is what I potentially wont stone wall now but I think its best I wait till 3.3 and see but ah man i dunno lol

(04-30-2018, 05:21 AM)Kol Wrote: [ -> ]Talking about body image. DMSI takes care of that. I had more then once the experience of feeling and being handsome while looking at myself in the mirror. It came strongly from within. Beside that, hitting the gym is a plus.
DMSI truly makes you sexually irresistable.

Thanks Kol

How long have you been on DMSI, the previous versions?

Im new to DMSI which is 1 other reason I think it may be working on me on a much slower speed to others, since others have been on older versions so have a foundation they are building on bro.

Not sure. 3.1 not as early as other members on here I think. 3.2 since release. Before that no DMSI.

Shannon replied to me:

(05-05-2018, 07:22 AM)Shannon Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2018, 10:33 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2018, 10:17 AM)THolt Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-04-2018, 10:04 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]Hi all

I checked out what Beast is and honestly im lost but you all seem so excited by B16 so im assuming its a big massive leap forward.

That being said, if im correct I recall somewhere Shannon saying in the past that there is SO much that hasnt made it even now into 3.2 of DMSI.

Im unaware of what all this good stuff is, but is there anything in there that can enable us to execute more of the script and execute for a longer time too?

I feel and I could be wrong but that with many of the subs, for those that the subs work for, work for a limited time and then the effects disappear. If im wrong then let me know as im just trying to remain hopeful for the future.

thanks

Once Beast hits design goal, Shannon will mine and extract the tech from it and put it into the Skeleton script. This will take a lot of time but it is a necessary step. Once this process is complete, 6G will be born. It will be worth the wait. As frustratingly long as this process has been, I feel we are getting closer.

But THolt will 6G a big difference to the current 5.5G of 3.2?

I myself have been executing the no fap so thats great but when I read journals I see only a few executing much and many others still getting no where or am I reading the wrong journals lol

I just want my subC to execute it all !!!

There are a lot of technology modules in Beast that are not in the current skeleton script. A lot. Very likely hundreds at least. Not all of them will necessarily apply to general use as would be required for inclusion in the skeleton script, but all of them will have something to show me in terms of how to make 6G all that it can be. Most of them, at least, will make it into the 6G skeleton script after I translate them to work with the different structure of the skeleton script DMSI is being built on. That is doubtless going to make a big difference in how well the resulting subs work.

Also keep in mind that not all subs are DMSI. Most subs don't get this level of resistance from their users, and that is why we're focusing on DMSI to help me develop the best and most capable and powerful possible skeleton script.

Monday 14th May 2018

Im finally back in Europe/University.

I stayed longer on my short break in the UK with family than had expected and was unable to listen to DMSI so maybe around a 2week break.

During the time at home, I didnt fap and the urge to fap was not there. I wasnt sure if this was due to DMSI or simply logistics, however the night I returned back to my apartment here, I fapped and called over an escort.

So it wasnt DMSI lol.

Anyway im back, and will try and start DMSI again and stick to B and 1 track instead of 2, as I dont want to overwhelm my subC and I also want to be able to guage any results.

thanks

Wed 30th May 2018

Im Back

I havent listened to DMSI since 20th April - so upto today its been 41days.

I have no idea if this is due to resistance or not but the desire to listen disappeared even though I knew consciously it made sense to listen to it.

I however have been reading Shannon's Journal and realised that some here are increasing loops and getting some effect while others are still persisting and may be noticing some effects.

I dont feel however that DMSI 3.2 is anywhere near where it hopes to be and this is also 1 of the conscious reasons I felt listening wasnt a priority.

I also felt it was going to be tricky to listen with my headphones, turning phone off etc - it just doesnt fit into my normal daily routine which has been some what erratic due to nearing exam times etc.

1 thing being on DMSI did do - though ive no idea if it was indeed due to DMSI or not - and that was make me far more out going at the expense of staying in and doing uni work/goals etc and it also made me grow a beard as per the advice of a close friend who said grow the beard to hide the round fat face I evidently have that I dont see whenever I look in the mirror.

Honestly I seem to find myself hot whenever I see my face in the mirror but clearly that is an illusion.

Since being on DMSI I hadnt fapped but since coming off im back to fapping and porn. I now see how it does take time away from other tasks but its probably just as time consuming as sitting infront of my laptop watching tv shows etc.

I have realised more - again is this due to DMSI I dont know - that I am a Beta Male, even though I do feel Alpha, because I make girls friends rather than lovers. I however do believe this HAS alot to do with my image and no matter what anyone says LOOKS do matter to women as much as they do to men.

A women needs to be attracted to a man in the same way a man needs to be attracted to a female. Its basic common sense. If you are a good looking man then you will get the girl. - if anyone wants to challenge this then please do. - I may post this on Shannon's journal to see what he and other say regarding this.

Anyway that being said what is always on my mind is how will I lose weight.

The personal trainer I had initially found wasted months of my time whilst I had hoped that this time was being spent well in my patience to be rewarded by him calculating my macros.

I fall in the heavy obese category so macro calculators never take this into account.

I found another trainer that told me he was out of the country and would be back in 2 weeks - this was 1 month ago so i messaged him lastnight once again in the hope that he would get back to me on his ETA (estimated time of arrival).

I will be joining the gym near to my uni apartment soon though, just waiting on some funds to come through as well as June to start when they may have a better promotion for me to use.

I know diet is just as important and was hoping with the macros that my portion sizes would be easily stuck to as right now I have no clue about this but its clear I need to just clean up whatever I can until that day for macro/portion knowledge opens up to me so I will be planning this soon.

Drinking water as I was trying to of 5L stopped, due to logistics. Its difficult to carry that much water outside whilst being outside and also drinking that much when not near a toilet. That being said, uni has no stopped, all I have will be 1 day a week of exams. I am sure I can afford 1 day a week of not drinking water but must get on the water wagon asap.

I also have been looking at how to change habits rather than studying as I know this is also very much on my mind.

Now onto DMSI:
Since reading Shannon's Journal as a catch up I have decided to try and listen to 2 loops a day of DMSI which seems very unlikely since I would only listen to US at night and I dont want to listen to US. So it may be that I need to remain on 1 loop via headphones of US or masked. Im unsure but I may try masked now.

I was hoping to listen to DMSI at night via speakers but clearly thats not the way for me to go since US seem useless for me, going on past stonewalling experience.

I do hope that 3.3 will help clear alot of garbage out for me and make me execute alot more.

The big test now of DMSI will be to see if I stop fapping again which will give me firm proof that its not a placebo and its worked.

here is a quote of what I just posted on Shannon's Journal:

(05-30-2018, 03:08 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-30-2018, 12:18 AM)thor2014 Wrote: [ -> ]Its my 3rd day of doing 7 loops on dmsi version A. I had the feeling that i am not that good looking. I feel insecure my mind tells me AMS will cure this but will continue with dmsi on 7 loops.

Im back after a long time away, so been trying to read and catch up on all the news here. This got my attention however because I also had that same experience during my brief run of DMSI A.

I recall mentioning in my journal how I didnt feel attractive and knew I had to work on it which ive always known but have been unable to actually start on due to lack of time, ability on where to start etc.

So now im assured it was DMSI and ill try and get back on to it.

Since stopping DMSI ive had very little desire and urge to actually get back on to it. It could be major resistance and wonder if Shannon thinks it is but consciously I felt since all I thought I was getting was no fapping then why stay on it - thats what my mind has been saying to me.

I am also eager and hoping that 3.3 will allow me to execute alot more of the sub and allow me to consciously notice this since its now clear to me that a feedback of some sorts to help encourage my hope will keep me wanting to continue using DMSI which I think is a better form of attack for all forms of resistance - in other words, if we can see it is working, and working in the right direction then we will continue to persist.

what do you think @Shannon ?

and hope all here are well

EXTRA: I also feel that my main issue now seems to be how to get again 1 hour of listening in. I cannot do it at night as Hybrid or Masked may keep me awake. I have headphones so I need to find 1hour (approx) of time in my day where I can turn off all distractions and listen to the sub. I couldnt do this when I went home to the UK, as I hardly ever get 1 hour alone to myself at home. I always feel I have to be out of my room and around my family and I have no idea why I feel this though im sure its due to some childhood experience.

So now im going to have to make the decision to start DMSI again and try and keep at it all the way through the summer.

I do hope that 3.3 is even easier to run, perhaps shorter in length.

(05-30-2018, 03:32 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]Wed 30th May 2018


I have realised more - again is this due to DMSI I dont know - that I am a Beta Male, even though I do feel Alpha, because I make girls friends rather than lovers. I however do believe this HAS alot to do with my image and no matter what anyone says LOOKS do matter to women as much as they do to men.

I'm here to challenge you and say that that belief is a load of crap. Thats the same as saying, "if you dont have $$$, women wont want to talk to you."

In 2015, I was approaching women in swim trunks with a t-shirt that had mickey mouse grabbing a girls tits and ass.

I was wearing something obscene because I wanted to prove to myself that it didnt matter what I was wearing. SURE, if I smelled and looked like a hobo, it be different, but looks dont matter as much as you think.

I am not going to go into details, but think of this: For a man, looks do matter. But from a womans point of view, I'd say its emotional. They want to feel something (good or bad); an emotion. Looks are much smaller in the equasion. It may matter a little bit, but not much.

I'm also not going into detail here, because of the info on the net to refute this belief of yours.

(05-30-2018, 06:39 AM)Leo1990 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-30-2018, 03:32 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]Wed 30th May 2018


I have realised more - again is this due to DMSI I dont know - that I am a Beta Male, even though I do feel Alpha, because I make girls friends rather than lovers. I however do believe this HAS alot to do with my image and no matter what anyone says LOOKS do matter to women as much as they do to men.

I'm here to challenge you and say that that belief is a load of crap. Thats the same as saying, "if you dont have $$$, women wont want to talk to you."

In 2015, I was approaching women in swim trunks with a t-shirt that had mickey mouse grabbing a girls tits and ass.

I was wearing something obscene because I wanted to prove to myself that it didnt matter what I was wearing. SURE, if I smelled and looked like a hobo, it be different, but looks dont matter as much as you think.

I am not going to go into details, but think of this: For a man, looks do matter. But from a womans point of view, I'd say its emotional. They want to feel something (good or bad); an emotion. Looks are much smaller in the equasion. It may matter a little bit, but not much.

I'm also not going into detail here, because of the info on the net to refute this belief of yours.

haha im glad someone has come to challenge me because I honestly believe this is the case, following from my experience.

Im losing hair, im over weight by overweight i mean in the obese classification, however I wear clothes that somewhat cover the load I carry. I prefer relaxing clothes rather than jeans etc.

I have an awesome personality, they all tell me all the time that im an awesome guy, I have a brilliant sense of humour, but whenever I see any girl with a guy its usually a guy that has no personality but looks. There are so many guys without the ability to say much but because they are somewhat well groomed and stylish then they have a gf.

The only time a guy looks below average and yet has a cute girl is when hes dated her long enough to let himself go like that and she still loves him for him.

When you approached a girl like that, wearing the mickey mouse and trunks, you were getting them to laugh, I do that do but you were probably making them laugh by surprise too so these were mostly strangers. Girls in your social circle may have found it out. So I guess what I am saying is that girls in your social circle, who have you in the friendzone would not maybe care what you wore etc since you are in the friendzone already but thats my point, even after making them laugh etc they still have you in the friendzone and then will go for another guy.

go into detail because so far my experience is saying otherwise and I have not found anything online that can prove me otherwise :/

and regarding money, well that matters more if youre an ugly guy or someone the girl wouldnt normal go for, because then she finds your money the attractive trait in the same way perhaps we would find a female that isnt so hot but yet has something else going for her, such as success etc.

As far as attractiveness goes, you need to make yourself attractive by the best of your ability.

Basically, maxing out "your looks" without surgery.

In this case I would suggest, either finding out how to grow your hair from that balding part or shave it all off, lose the weight, getting better fitting clothes, etc. & grooming yourself.

What I meant by my last post is: women dont care that much about "natural looks", but they do care about how you treat yourself.

Do I make sense?

Some people here might think that DMSI will make them so attractive that they can let their body go, and eat junk-food. Well guess what, that's not the case.

(05-30-2018, 06:59 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]When you approached a girl like that, wearing the mickey mouse and trunks, you were getting them to laugh, I do that do but you were probably making them laugh by surprise too so these were mostly strangers. Girls in your social circle may have found it out. So I guess what I am saying is that girls in your social circle, who have you in the friendzone would not maybe care what you wore etc since you are in the friendzone already but thats my point, even after making them laugh etc they still have you in the friendzone and then will go for another guy.

I was not getting them to laugh. I was flat-out approaching them in broad-daylight. That very act was super masculine and ballsy.

I also do not have any friends who are women. Well just one, but she likes girls too. So yes it would be hard attracting a woman who you already know and put you in the friend-zone. I would not focus on her anyway.