Subliminal Talk

(03-06-2018, 11:42 PM)Zane Wrote: [ -> ]Having a dream of incestuous practices means erotic desires means that you are trying to express yourself. ... You probably are in a phase of your life in which you are neither child, nor adult, and this dream may be the symbolic union between the adult and the child in you.--Mr Google

Hey bro thank you so much for finding this. Its what I found too and still wasnt feeling easy about it. I waited 2 days on this before admitting I actually had such a dream and then to ask Shannon what he thought about it, but luckily others where able to answer where he couldnt on this topic. I feel its DMSI and as its happened to others then its not cos im screwed up in my head but something related to DMSI and my inner issues.

You and others here have been amazing support and I appreciate it as it was a nice thing to dream for me at all.

Day 12 - update 2 - Wednesday 7th March 2018

Time: 11.48pm
Im listening to the loop as I type this.

Today has been a crazy day. I was super horny today. I still didnt fap at all but I was looking at online escort profiles to call and fuck one, due to my horniess and this online search was conducted inbetween a full day at uni with 30-45mins break to come home at 1 time.

I havent called an escort nor have I fapped.

Pornchat Girl
Nothing she hasnt come back online.

Snapchat Girl
We met during lecture today and she was happy to see me, then we reconnected in the evening and got talking for 2hours on the phone. She completely and suddenly shared all the turmoil and issues she faced in first year. Some private stuff, that she claims is now common knowledge yet she doesnt know me to tell me all this stuff so either shes really really naive or she has powerful trust in me or both.

Either way shes up for coming over and buying me a pizza and telling me all bout it face to face as well as chilling with me. I maybe her new friend rather than lover but so be it.


Class
Today had a class with some sexy girls and even though my charm and wit made them smile and we exchanged contact details, I didnt feel any IOIs at all or anything.


Ive had a very long day 8am-6.30pm coupled with eating late and also a 2hour phone chat but all in all there wasnt anything I could say has changed. I am not fapping and I reiterate I was very horny today and im still considering calling an escort but thats all.

I dont want to call an escort because I dont want to release all the benefit as such of not fapping as well as not derailing or getting in the way of assessing the power of DMSI, but its tempting.


There is a guy at uni who has very good 'game' and by this all I mean is that somehow he seems to pull/attract all the girls he wants to. I have no idea what he has or how he does it at all because to me he seems utterly normal if not some what camp but maybe he just has the aura that I hope DMSI lets out from me.

I am still, due to getting no fap at least, tempted to jump onto track A when that is released.

I also got some cool responses and support to my query about my incestual dream and im grateful for that. So thanks to you that helped and didnt jump on the band wagon of me not asking such a question when i read many here asking stuff that just isnt necessary and others posting their threads with others getting into back and forth conversations. when all things are considered as a stonewaller that has never gotten any results from any sub here ....until now I hope....then I think i have earned some slack.

thanks for reading and take a chill pill people cos I always have

I too had sexualized dreams, and i dreamed it was with my nieces both at the same time. I dreamed that i slept with both my nieces (they are 20 and 18) and i was enjoying in the dream, i woke up and i didn't felt shame or something, i just knew it was a dream. But i feelt so sexworthy after that dream. Also today i dreamed about sex, but with an unknown girl, which was laying naked on the bed. And i holded her and kiss her on the neck, and proceed to f her. After that there was another girl, and now i feel so horny i could penetrate a tank. I suppose it's a good thing

I think it's great that you can get women to be supremely comfortable with you.

I posted this earlier but took it down regarding your dream.

As I mentioned, the subconscious mind is purely symbolic so should not be taken literally. That being said, it's crucial that you contextualise the dream rather than observing one element in isolation.

I had a dream recently where it seemed a bit off (I had an interaction with a girl I haven't seen in years) but when I contextualised the dream I remembered that the setting was in a fair ground and there was a big line for fairy floss. Both the fair and the big line were significant to my interpretation, so much so that I could pinpoint exactly what the dream represented about my life and what the symbolic representation of the girl meant.

In your case I listed an example: If you've had a problem sexualising interactions with women because you end up in a brotherly role, then by having sex with your sister you're symbolically breaking free from that previous mind set.

The absolute worst thing you can do is have your conscious mind go haywire as this would only impede progress. Let the changes happen as they are and enjoy the ride, released of any and all expectations.

(03-08-2018, 12:35 AM)kornjacinvrac Wrote: [ -> ]I too had sexualized dreams, and i dreamed it was with my nieces both at the same time. I dreamed that i slept with both my nieces (they are 20 and 18) and i was enjoying in the dream, i woke up and i didn't felt shame or something, i just knew it was a dream. But i feelt so sexworthy after that dream. Also today i dreamed about sex, but with an unknown girl, which was laying naked on the bed. And i holded her and kiss her on the neck, and proceed to f her. After that there was another girl, and now i feel so horny i could penetrate a tank. I suppose it's a good thing

haha "penetrate a tank" hahah I love that lol

You know what you said is same in that I felt super horny later and for the remainder of the day even though when I woke I was surprised and shock because the dream felt so real at the time. Even today im horny again. outside walking around im ok of cos but come back to my apartment and get on line and boom I know im safe and alone to do anything thus the horniess is back lol

(03-08-2018, 01:49 AM)Determined Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's great that you can get women to be supremely comfortable with you.

I posted this earlier but took it down regarding your dream.

As I mentioned, the subconscious mind is purely symbolic so should not be taken literally. That being said, it's crucial that you contextualise the dream rather than observing one element in isolation.

I had a dream recently where it seemed a bit off (I had an interaction with a girl I haven't seen in years) but when I contextualised the dream I remembered that the setting was in a fair ground and there was a big line for fairy floss. Both the fair and the big line were significant to my interpretation, so much so that I could pinpoint exactly what the dream represented about my life and what the symbolic representation of the girl meant.

In your case I listed an example: If you've had a problem sexualising interactions with women because you end up in a brotherly role, then by having sex with your sister you're symbolically breaking free from that previous mind set.

The absolute worst thing you can do is have your conscious mind go haywire as this would only impede progress. Let the changes happen as they are and enjoy the ride, released of any and all expectations.

wow thank you so much Determined. Youve made sense of what I couldnt and really appreciate it.

yes in my case I think women see me as the friend, the safe friend to have. I am super confident and relaxed around girls and can chat to them no problem as mentioned and yes they seem at ease with me but im assuming this is because im an overweight man that they just dont find sexually attractive any more so my personality only works at getting them to become friends with me.

THEREFORE youre interpretation of my dream makes COMPLETE sense and I really really hope that DMSI worked at destroying this previous mindset.

I have no problem telling a girl im interested or trying to subtly ask them out but they will say no or politely form an excuse which is where the problem is :/

Thank you im not distraught about the dream now. I was definitely confused by it for 2 days before coming onto here and sharing it (again ive avoided details) and then since then you and the general replies have shown me its not to be taken literal and now you have contextualised it for me which makes super sense.

Thank you also for remember what I write and paying attention to my posts as the support from you, Zane, Catman and others helps me alot in knowing im not alone on this journey, so thank you.

Day 13 - Update 1 - Thursday 8th March 2018

Time: 3.59pm

Just replied to posts above and going to go make some tea, and then will return to complete this update...so if youre reading this now, then ill be back super soon. thanks

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Time: 4.37pm

So nothing noticed again today until I got home and went to the escorts page, 1 in particular that was attractive and well it got me horny again but then I came here typed and went to make my tea.

Women:
Nothing new to report here, so no IOIs or anything.

Fap:
No fapping still, so 13days of no fap

Ikea Girl:
So theres this girl at uni from Sweden and im gnna call her Ikea Girl here so I know who I am referring to.
She knows I like her cos ive asked her for coffee etc, nothing serious just tried to make it seem all nonchalant and shes politely brushed it off with some excuse or another.

I saw her yesterday and forgot to mention it. Anyway I was sat with 3 other guys in the cafeteria at uni and I saw her and called out to her and she smiled seeing me then went back in to grab her coffee or whatever. 1 of my friends in that group was swedish and asked how I know her so I said she was in 1 of my classes last semester (shes in year 5 of a course at uni).

Anyway so she came back and we spoke, she was stood I was sat and then I introduced her to the guys at the table cos it seemed polite as well as odd not to since im ignoring all them to talk to her and then I threw in we'll have coffee when youre free and she said maybe, then she went back to talking to 1 of the guys and I in my witty way said ...

"woaw woaw did you say wait did you say MAYBE?" lol

and she said "god willing" which is her way of politely brushing me off and before you all say no no she didnt, I know the context and she did brush me off.

I asked my swedish guy friend how he knew her and he divulged that he had seen her with her bf, but whether she has one now he doesnt know.

Personally if she has a bf or not I dont care, the purpose of DMSI to work in my understanding is to make her find me sexually irresistible and so far no body does haha

Anyway thats that and im mentioning her here incase in the future I can look back and show any developments.

Im going back to uni for 1 lecture at 6pm, and then at 7.30pm going for a meal with a bunch of guy friends.

personally im doing it to meet the guys so that they dont harass me that I dont meet them or im too busy, and 2ndly because this past weekend was the most depressing and tense for me as you all know due to DMSI or myself I dont know so im going out to de-stress.

When I return I will listen to my loop for today.

oh there was 1 other thing to report I just remember:

I woke up super super tired. I had this soreness above my right eye all day. its now gone and no idea what it was but all I can assume is that it was either cos I lacked sleep from yesterday 8am start (most likely) or it has something to do with DMSI.

When I listen to the hybrid with headphones, I know ill be bored sitting doing nothing for the 1loop so I usually use that time to either read or come online and surf as well as update posts here. I dont pay any attention at all to the loop however yesterday at random moments I would actually listen to the trickling stream and focus on its sound but thats not usual for me hence why im wondering if it was DMSI making me tired though in all honesty going to uni at 8am after a few hours sleep and then not recooperating that sleep must have been a part of it.

In life on the outside im confident and charismatic and charming and witty etc Therefore its hard for me to know if anything else in DMSI is working such as the focus fire subs as in Self esteem etc. Its hard because maybe im just one of those guys that goes outside and fakes it till he makes it or not im unsure.

Im so used to being me that I dont usually know when im stressed or fearful and this is because from age 11-18 every single day at school I went in with anxiety and acted all calm and confident. I hated that school, had no friends, nobody liked me blah blah blah and i dont care its my past but im mentioning all this because if im not fapping due to DMSI and seems to be the case then im not stonewalling and if im not stonewalling then im super eager to know what on earth is DMSI doing cos I just cant tell people!!! lol

(03-08-2018, 05:33 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]haha "penetrate a tank" hahah I love that lol

You know what you said is same in that I felt super horny later and for the remainder of the day even though when I woke I was surprised and shock because the dream felt so real at the time. Even today im horny again. outside walking around im ok of cos but come back to my apartment and get on line and boom I know im safe and alone to do anything thus the horniess is back lol

Yes! Dream felt so real, it is interesting to me that in my dreams (since im on dmsi) i started having vivid dreams and more touching people dream, more kino, more dreams that go in my favour (not nightmares).

(03-08-2018, 06:10 AM)kornjacinvrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-08-2018, 05:33 AM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]haha "penetrate a tank" hahah I love that lol

You know what you said is same in that I felt super horny later and for the remainder of the day even though when I woke I was surprised and shock because the dream felt so real at the time. Even today im horny again. outside walking around im ok of cos but come back to my apartment and get on line and boom I know im safe and alone to do anything thus the horniess is back lol

Yes! Dream felt so real, it is interesting to me that in my dreams (since im on dmsi) i started having vivid dreams and more touching people dream, more kino, more dreams that go in my favour (not nightmares).

Hey man ive updated my post above for anyone that was waiting for it and ill reply to you now.

Yeah exactly my dream felt super real at the time especially and thats why I woke shitting myself lol (UK terminology implying super fear/nervousness etc).

Tbh I have only had 2 dreams since I started DMSI that I am aware of, 1 is the incest and the other I dont remember at all except think it was DMSI related in some way.

I only ever seem to remember dream when I sleep late and wake up early, probably waking during a dream otherwise im a sleeping baby usually.

Lets hope we both make real changes due to DMSI

Day 13 - update 2 - Thursday 8th March

Time: 2.35am on Friday 9th March

I went to the mall to have pizza with 6 other guy buddies.

I took my jacket off and went at 1 point to the pizza place to order another to take home and I became conscious of my appearance and weight.

I did see some women look and look away. I dont think that was DMSI as it didnt seem as if they wanted to look again.

I came home, it was good stress relief and then I had a cup of tea and ate my cheesecake only for FIGHT Girl (remember her?) to comment on my snap. I took that as an IOI and asked her if she wanted to talk and she said yeah.

I think she also wanted to talk cos I messaged her earlier in the day to sign her in out of the sheer goodness of my heart to a class where extra credits were being awarded. I asked her and then other friends too.

Anyway maybe this made her appreciate me more so either way we talked.

We talked on the phone for over 3.5hrs I think :0

I have now finished and started to listen to my loop for thursday/day 13, even though my normal listening time is 9 or 10pm rather than 2am. I am sure this will disrupt ASRB but its not a huge disruption.

I wont be getting much sleep either as then I have to wake at 6.30am to shower and get to uni for 8am start - FML lol

Tomorrow is day 14 and my last day before a 1 day break.

So far all I can say I have noticed is still NO Fap and thats all.

Nothing else seems to have been affected. I do seem perhaps a bit more self assured and confident but again I cant be sure on such a subjective assessment so need to wait and see but I do hope more stuff is happening besides No fap.

Fight Girl was super surprised that snapchat girl ( her friend) was talking to me for 2hrs and had revealed so much personal shit about her relationship with her bf, in the very first phone call to me.

She said that when she first met snapchat girl, the first time, that she told her her whole life story so again this isnt an IOI or DMSI but simply the way snapchat girl is.

Also pornchat girl has come on because the site shows when she was last on, she had added 7 more 'wankers' to her accounts friends list but she hasnt read or replied to my messages that were left days ago.

I am still listening to HYBRID at 7/15 volume, flac and had hoped that by now being so super duper powerful more would be seen or noticed, especially as this is the most advanced sub, advanced tech and god knows what number version from the very very first one. I know I know its only day 14 and I should be patient, but how patient?

thanks

(03-08-2018, 04:42 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]I am still listening to HYBRID at 7/15 volume, flac and had hoped that by now being so super duper powerful more would be seen or noticed, especially as this is the most advanced sub, advanced tech and god knows what number version from the very very first one. I know I know its only day 14 and I should be patient, but how patient?

Jake, you still seem to expect a magic pill. You had difficulties executing previous 5.5G's and were desperately looking for something to break your procrastination habit. That means your subconsciousness is trying to thwart progress (hey, we are in the same boat on this one). On top of that you are impatient. Don't be. If you are not streamlined (yet) to execute the goals of a sub you are in for the long run. Look at CatMan for example, or Sarge, or swisston and realize that it may easily take months (or years) to achieve full execution. Don't fool yourself.

On another note, I haven't read every single post of yours, since you write novels every day, but I get the gist. In the last post you wrote that you again talked to a girl for hours on the phone. What you are doing is becoming an emotional tampon for the girls if you do that, don't delude yourself otherwise.

Subs may be able to reprogram your subconscious but they don't teach you about the world. That comes from research, experience and observation.

It might help to make your intentions with women more clear, you are probably communicating to them that you are a friendly guy that they can spill all their problems onto like an emotional blanket. If they start doing that it is your job to either redirect the interaction or leave the interaction. Sometimes the best thing to do is to walk away.

Im no genius with women but I know that you don't ever want to give your power away, to women or anyone for that matter. You are a man, you know what you want. Hold strong, be proud of yourself (within reason) and don't be afraid to take what you want from life sometimes. It sounds selfish but sometimes you need to be a little bit selfish if you want to get what you really want.

(03-09-2018, 01:30 AM)Raz Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-08-2018, 04:42 PM)Jake2015 Wrote: [ -> ]I am still listening to HYBRID at 7/15 volume, flac and had hoped that by now being so super duper powerful more would be seen or noticed, especially as this is the most advanced sub, advanced tech and god knows what number version from the very very first one. I know I know its only day 14 and I should be patient, but how patient?

Jake, you still seem to expect a magic pill. You had difficulties executing previous 5.5G's and were desperately looking for something to break your procrastination habit. That means your subconsciousness is trying to thwart progress (hey, we are in the same boat on this one). On top of that you are impatient. Don't be. If you are not streamlined (yet) to execute the goals of a sub you are in for the long run. Look at CatMan for example, or Sarge, or swisston and realize that it may easily take months (or years) to achieve full execution. Don't fool yourself.

On another note, I haven't read every single post of yours, since you write novels every day, but I get the gist. In the last post you wrote that you again talked to a girl for hours on the phone. What you are doing is becoming an emotional tampon for the girls if you do that, don't delude yourself otherwise.

Hey Raz, thanks for that input bro, ill bear it in mind but patience isnt always easy as you know.

(03-09-2018, 03:12 AM)Ymiraku Wrote: [ -> ]Subs may be able to reprogram your subconscious but they don't teach you about the world. That comes from research, experience and observation.

It might help to make your intentions with women more clear, you are probably communicating to them that you are a friendly guy that they can spill all their problems onto like an emotional blanket. If they start doing that it is your job to either redirect the interaction or leave the interaction. Sometimes the best thing to do is to walk away.

Im no genius with women but I know that you don't ever want to give your power away, to women or anyone for that matter. You are a man, you know what you want. Hold strong, be proud of yourself (within reason) and don't be afraid to take what you want from life sometimes. It sounds selfish but sometimes you need to be a little bit selfish if you want to get what you really want.

Hey Ymiraku, thanks for replying here bro and I appreciate the input. My issue is not knowing how to leave the conversation if its flowing, or leave without seeming rude and changing a positive vibe into a negative one etc